pork, why is it haram? (islamic question)

[ilikecheese]

O_o why? :think:

[xodesicutieox]

because pigs are dirty?? :sarb:

[sum41pieces]

because a pig is dirty. thats what i have been told.

[Princess_Ligi]

Aside from bacon and ham, jews and muslims are really not missing out on much. Beef, its whats for dinner.

[nayeemx33]

Read the story of Noah :neutral:

[mr ajnabi]

because pigs are dirty?? :sarb:

They live and some even eat their own shit . No who wants to taste part of such dirty fylth. ewww im gone.

[ilikecheese]

because pigs are dirty?? :sarb:
thats what i thought to, but i mean look at how cows are raised in the US compared to how pigs are raised. fine pigs will sniff around the garbage for food, but if u give them food they wont, so doesnt that make them cleaner? or does it ahve something to do with them not sweating?

[PaKi_PeRfEcTiOn]

arent pigs considered one of the cleanest animals? :sarb:

[xodesicutieox]

thats what i thought to, but i mean look at how cows are raised in the US compared to how pigs are raised. fine pigs will sniff around the garbage for food, but if u give them food they wont, so doesnt that make them cleaner? or does it ahve something to do with them not sweating?
more like them living in their own shit...thats what i heard at least haha :p

[ilikecheese]

They live and some even eat their own shit . No who wants to taste part of such dirty fylth. ewww im gone.
not really. espically if they're raised right, they dont eat their own shit :\

[nayeemx33]

Read the story of Noah :neutral:
:neutral:

[Space-Cowboy]

Take a look at it from a health perspective....... in which case you shouldn't be eating either Beef or Pork. They both contain high quantities of fat, and pound per pound much less protein than goat/lamb, bison, deer, birds and fish etc. You can thank cattle/pig steroids for this

[ilikecheese]

more like them living in their own shit...thats what i heard at least haha :p
i heard u like it up the rear with a water bottle... i have a 24oz poland spring sport bottle, will that do?

[sum41pieces]

what really happened is, when they were writing the quaran (sp?), some guy had a bad experience with eating pig an so he decided pig was a bad the to eat so no followers of islam should eat it either since he had a bad experience with it. :neutral:

[xodesicutieox]

i heard u like it up the rear with a water bottle... i have a 24oz poland spring sport bottle, will that do?
no :mad: i only go for dasani!

[PaKi_PeRfEcTiOn]

Take a look at it from a health perspective....... in which case you shouldn't be eating either Beef or Pork. They both contain high quantities of fat, and pound per pound much less protein than goat/lamb, bison, deer, birds and fish etc. You can thank cattle/pig steroids for thisbut i dont think that's why muslims think eating pig is haram?

[xodesicutieox]

what really happened is, when they were writing the quaran (sp?), some guy had a bad experience with eating pig an so he decided pig was a bad the to eat so no followers of islam should eat it either since he had a bad experience with it. :neutral:
:rofl:

[uglybutt]

because it was deemed haram by god, no questions asked. a...th..th..th..thats all folks!

[Gimmeck]

because it was deemed haram by god, no questions asked. a...th..th..th..thats all folks!
than why did Gawd create it?

[Space-Cowboy]

but i dont think that's why muslims think eating pig is haram?


You don't know that........ the Quran says pigs are dirty..... well.... in for 'interpretations' sake..... harmful fats are 'dirty' for your body.... spoiled/diseased bacon fat has actually been known to cause just as much food poisoning as samanela [chicken]. .... but then again, those stats were taken in places where livestock isn't properly cared for.... so all in all.... I dunno :dunno:

[uglybutt]

than why did Gawd create it?
there's things that we just dont know because it is beyond our realm of understanding. God has a plan, we cannot even begin to fathom it. People to this day cannot fully with complete conviction understand why we are here, and what is the purpose of life. So don't get bogged down on minor details. You can do either of two things: take it for what it is, or not. the choice is up to you.

[minimalistick]

there's things that we just dont know because it is beyond our realm of understanding. God has a plan, we cannot even begin to fathom it. People to this day cannot fully with complete conviction understand why we are here, and what is the purpose of life. So don't get bogged down on minor details. You can do either of two things: take it for what it is, or not. the choice is up to you.

blind faith, i love it

[khanbaba_]

"You are what you eat" - Native American proverb

Pig's bodies contain many toxins, worms and latent diseases.

Pigs like to scavenge and will eat any kind of food, including dead insects, worms, rotting carcasses, excreta (including their own), garbage, and other pigs.

[uglybutt]

blind faith, i love it
No. just Faith. there is no such thing as blind faith.

[ali_ak47]

Take a look at it from a health perspective....... in which case you shouldn't be eating either Beef or Pork. They both contain high quantities of fat, and pound per pound much less protein than goat/lamb, bison, deer, birds and fish etc. You can thank cattle/pig steroids for this
Ignorant fa-ggot :mad:

Pig meat has twice as much fat as beef. A 3 oz T bone steak contains 8.5 grams of fat; a 3 oz pork chop contains 18 grams of fat. A 3 oz beef rib has 11.1oz of fat; a 3 oz pork spare rib has 23.2 grams of fat.

Cows have a complex digestive system, having four stomachs. It thus takes over 24 hours to digest their vegetarian diet causing its food to be purified of toxins. In contrast, the swine's one stomach takes only about 4 hours to digest its foul diet, turning its toxic food into flesh.

[Space-Cowboy]

Ignorant fa-ggot :mad:

Pig meat has twice as much fat as beef. A 3 oz T bone steak contains 8.5 grams of fat; a 3 oz pork chop contains 18 grams of fat. A 3 oz beef rib has 11.1oz of fat; a 3 oz pork spare rib has 23.2 grams of fat.

Cows have a complex digestive system, having four stomachs. It thus takes over 24 hours to digest their vegetarian diet causing its food to be purified of toxins. In contrast, the swine's one stomach takes only about 4 hours to digest its foul diet, turning its toxic food into flesh.


You really are an idiot. Just shut up :idea:

[minimalistick]

No. just Faith. there is no such thing as blind faith.

I dont know, some would categorize your previous post as blind faith, dont mull over minor things like the "purpose of life"?

since when was the purpose of life, and our reasons for existence minor things? Just let god handle it? How do we know gods intentions for humankind are even altruistic?

[chiprince007]

O_o why? :think:

pork eats its own shit...

[ali_ak47]

You really are an idiot. Just shut up :idea:
I got that shit of CDC website. I just wanted to sound smart :ashamed:

[uglybutt]

I dont know, some would categorize your previous post as blind faith, dont mull over minor things like the "purpose of life"?

since when was the purpose of life, and our reasons for existence minor things? Just let god handle it? How do we know gods intentions for humankind are even altruistic?
i was referring to the reasons for not eating pork as minor things and that we must instead ponder over more important things like our existence. We will never know God's intentions no matter how hard we try. So all we have left is faith. This is an inherent quality of religion in general, simply because no one has seen, heard, smelled, felt the one true higher being, but we still believe it.

[Space-Cowboy]

I got that shit of CDC website. I just wanted to sound smart :ashamed:


The CDC website doesn't take into account the fact that BOTH Pork and Beef are injected with growth hormones. The 'transfat' percentage in Beef is much higher than Pork regardless of 'over all fat'. Transfats are the more dangerous kind. In the end, they end up being just as unhealthy as each other.


...... and again..... the fact that they're so pumped full of growth hormones should be an indicator of just how much crap we're taking into our bodies from consuming beef or pork.

[the_dark_drag0n]

I heard it was because to eat animal you need to make them halal, and to make them halal you need to cut a specific vein in their neck, and apparently pigs don't have necks.

LOL doesn't really make sense, but that's what someone very religious told me.

[uglybutt]

The CDC website doesn't take into account the fact that BOTH Pork and Beef are injected with growth hormones. The 'transfat' percentage in Beef is much higher than Pork regardless of 'over all fat'. Transfats are the more dangerous kind. In the end, they end up being just as unhealthy as each other.


...... and again..... the fact that they're so pumped full of growth hormones should be an indicator of just how much crap we're taking into our bodies from consuming beef or pork.
If you want to go off of health reasons as to why we shouldnt eat pork then you can put any food in that category. any food with fat in it is not good in excess. Plus the fact that eveything(even vegetables) is pretty much fried simply adds to the unhealthy factor. I am not even gonna mention the problems that drinking alcohol creates, so why isnt there so much fuss over that?

[indianshredder]

Pigs are actually pretty intelligent. Even moreso than dogs, so I've read.

plus they're cool as shit!

[Space-Cowboy]

If you want to go off of health reasons as to why we shouldnt eat pork then you can put any food in that category. any food with fat in it is not good in excess. Plus the fact that eveything(even vegetables) is pretty much fried simply adds to the unhealthy factor. I am not even gonna mention the problems that drinking alcohol creates, so why isnt there so much fuss over that?


But alchohol IS banned in Islam... and in the historical context, vegitables were boiled back then, not fried, ..... bread was baked.... 'cooking oil' in that sense was not present... the only source of 'fat' in the Middle East at the time [there were no cows in the immediate region at the time] were pigs.


Personally that's what I *think* it may have come from..... again, I don't know. I'm Hindu.

[uglybutt]

But alchohol IS banned in Islam... and in the historical context, vegitables were boiled back then, not fried, ..... bread was baked.... 'cooking oil' in that sense was not present... the only source of 'fat' in the Middle East at the time [there were no cows in the immediate region at the time] were pigs.


Personally that's what I *think* it may have come from..... again, I don't know. I'm Hindu.
ya i know alcohol is banned and I was talking about fried stuff because of the CDC quote, like I said the health reasons are not the only reasons for determining if something is allowed or not allowed in a religion. Its because its just the way it is. Like why are cows considered so sacred in hinduism? I think the end reason is because thats just the way it is. Accept it or dont.

And lastly, i think they had camels back then, and they loved to eat camel, and as far as I know camels have fat in them. so your argument of 'only source of fat' are the pigs back then is probably not valid.

[Space-Cowboy]

ya i know alcohol is banned and I was talking about fried stuff because of the CDC quote, like I said the health reasons are not the only reasons for determining if something is allowed or not allowed in a religion. Its because its just the way it is. Like why are cows considered so sacred in hinduism? I think the end reason is because thats just the way it is. Accept it or dont.

And lastly, i think they had camels back then, and they loved to eat camel, and as far as I know camels have fat in them. so your argument of 'only source of fat' are the pigs back then is probably not valid.


Camels were beasts of burden that had to travel long distances [whether domisticated or otherwise] in the desert. Speaking strictly in terms of adaptation.... it makes sense that in the desert heat, they would have had lower body fat than pigs., much lower.

In terms of the 'sacred cow'. There's no Vedic basis in that. Cows just came to be 'sacred' in mainstream Hinduism through a cultural process. In ancient times, cows were used as a 'stock' of commodity, hence their value.

[uglybutt]

Camels were beasts of burden that had to travel long distances [whether domisticated or otherwise] in the desert. Speaking strictly in terms of adaptation.... it makes sense that in the desert heat, they would have had lower body fat than pigs., much lower.

In terms of the 'sacred cow'. There's no Vedic basis in that. Cows just came to be 'sacred' in mainstream Hinduism through a cultural process. In ancient times, cows were used as a 'stock' of commodity, hence their value.
ya but your previous argument was based on the only source of fat was pigs. nevertheless, i think I got my point across.

[desipride24o7]

I didn't read any of the posts nor am I muslim, but my grandma told me a story about.. how these two kids went to a forest and something happend with a pig... :neutral: yah okay I'm not much help.

[Space-Cowboy]

ya but your previous argument was based on the only source of fat was pigs. nevertheless, i think I got my point across.


Well no, I mean they DID have goat and other livestock back then.... but relatively speaking pigs did have the most fat at the time.


It's all a moot point in the modern age though.

[sum41pieces]

ya i know alcohol is banned and I was talking about fried stuff because of the CDC quote, like I said the health reasons are not the only reasons for determining if something is allowed or not allowed in a religion. Its because its just the way it is. Like why are cows considered so sacred in hinduism? I think the end reason is because thats just the way it is. Accept it or dont.

And lastly, i think they had camels back then, and they loved to eat camel, and as far as I know camels have fat in them. so your argument of 'only source of fat' are the pigs back then is probably not valid.

well hindu's actually came up with a logical reason not to eat beef. but they are also missing out too, steak mmm. so i dunno.

[Saj__666]

verses 2:173, 5:3, 6:145, and 16:115 of the Qur'an. An exemplary verse is quoted here: "He has only forbidden you dead meat, and blood, and the flesh of swine, and any (food) over which the name of other than Allah has been invoked. But if one is forced by necessity, without willful disobedience, nor transgressing due limits, then Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful."

When the Prophet was asked "why" is pork forbidden, he mentioned many things but the main one was the uncleanliness of the pig

Saj__666

[Sweet Miasma]

Read the story of Noah :neutral:
maybe you should read it first...
it wasnt deemed haram during Nuh (AS)'s prophecy, it was during Ibrahim (AS)'s prophecy that it was deemed haram....i believe thats why jews dont eat pork too.

[Sweet Miasma]

Ignorant fa-ggot :mad:

Pig meat has twice as much fat as beef. A 3 oz T bone steak contains 8.5 grams of fat; a 3 oz pork chop contains 18 grams of fat. A 3 oz beef rib has 11.1oz of fat; a 3 oz pork spare rib has 23.2 grams of fat.

Cows have a complex digestive system, having four stomachs. It thus takes over 24 hours to digest their vegetarian diet causing its food to be purified of toxins. In contrast, the swine's one stomach takes only about 4 hours to digest its foul diet, turning its toxic food into flesh.
actually...i saw on Discovery Channel that cows DONT have 4 stomachs...
they have one stomach with like 4 chambers or something

[Muslima786]

There is no clear-cut reason. Of the very few mentioned reasons, is the uncleanliness of the pig. IMO the conditions that forbid consuming the flesh of swine have more to do with exercising restraint without providing any tangibles or reasoning as to why the sin is a sin in the first place.

[jumpn jza]

...i heard that scientifically an animal (besides birds) which doesn't chew the cud, which means that they don't regurgitate the food back into their mouths and repeat the chewing process...these animals when digesting food may not fully break down any toxins as opposed to animals which do chew the cud....

So by eating an animal which doesn't chew the cud, those toxins may also pass though to the humans which eat them..

but thats just something i heard a while ago..check it out on the net, apparentlty there is some science in the Quran....

the Quran forbids the eating of any animal which is not a vegetarian...such as dogs, cats...(these animals also do not chew the cud)...there is a truth to this as well, we may not know it but scientifically we recieve a lot of our nutrition from the sun...by eating vegitarian animals, we are recieving nutrition second hand, but when we eat a carnivore, we recive the nutrients 3rd hand...so during Muhammad's time we can speculate that they had already domesticated pigs, and when domesticated, pigs become filthy animals by what they eat, they even eat thier own shit and become scavengers instead of foragers...

Pigs can digest anything...they have extremely strong stomach acid...even if we give them a human corpse, they can still eat them, no probs...thats why they are regarded as "filthy"...however...in their natural habitat, they are foraging social creatures which form herds by themselves...in fact a pig is just as a smart as a dog and can be trained...

So i reckon these muslims have got it right in choosing not to eat pigs, it seems like a good choice in my opinion...Mohammad obviously knew what he was talking bout, smart man he was....

[crystalgems2]

O_o why? :think:

pork, is not haram...no kuran written like that...
all this haramtalk is invention of haddis...
if pork is haram how come chicken not haram?...
both pig & chicken eat the same stuff....
many life saving drugs apparantly have pork extracts!!!!!!!!!

[Spiky]

Well...I am waitin for the breakfast menu to open at Mcdonalds..Bacon Egg and Cheeze..Man I am gonna pound them mofo.....but I need a ride :(

[khanbaba_]

pork, is not haram...no kuran written like that...
all this haramtalk is invention of haddis...
if pork is haram how come chicken not haram?...
both pig & chicken eat the same stuff....
:english:

[TigerStyle786]

O_o why? :think:

thats a silly question for a muslim to ask,it is discouraged to ask Questions of "WHY's n WHY NOT" cuz we can find our reasons but the real reason behind matters is known to Allah ALone.

A muslim shud be asking questions like am i personally doing enuff to aid the deen of Allah..

In asian muslim community people r stil stuck to questions like whats haram whats halal...they just cant go beyond haram/halal issues ..or they pray 5 times n read quran n think they have fulfilled ALL the duties...shaitan pats them on back saying' u've done GOOD enuff n keeps u limited n not excelling in deen.

Quran reminds muslims not to chop deen into pieces n stay happy with wotever piece they got; forgetting otha duties like our behavior towards others ppl (specially parents)

.. rememba to ask Allah in dua, to never let feeling of pride come in thy heart..cuz pride can kill ur deeds.. dua is sooooooo powerful ppl under-estimate it cuz they dont see the result right away, rememba every dua is either fulfilled or sumthin better is granted instead or sumthin u wished for was actually harmful for u in long-run...

eating topic, yea... b4 eating say bismillah or if u forgot to say on starting of ur meal say "bismillahi wal awal hu wal akhiru"
without sayin bismillah ur food will bring no good to ur health n shaitaan will robb ur meal...

Last i herd, pork is a dirty animal that eats own dung (poop) n raises massive potential fo diseases..

[Saj__666]

thats a silly question for a muslim to ask,it is discouraged to ask Questions of "WHY's n WHY NOT" cuz we can find our reasons but the real reason behind matters is known to Allah ALone.

"Seek knowledge even unto China."

"Whosoever follows a path to seek knowledge therein, Allah will make easy for him a path to Paradise"

these are hadith u moron
theres nothing wrong with askin questions. in fact, its positively encouraged!

Saj__666

[Indian1986]

In terms of the 'sacred cow'. There's no Vedic basis in that. Cows just came to be 'sacred' in mainstream Hinduism through a cultural process. In ancient times, cows were used as a 'stock' of commodity, hence their value.


Hindu's should not consume any type of meat (beef, chicken or whatever) because we believe in Ahimsa (non-violence) and consider all living beings including the animals as brothers and sisters. Vegetarianism is considered to be the most ideal path towards spiritual progress and moksha (Liberation) in Hinduism. Killing and eating an animal is certainly not going to improve our karma. Besides, reducing meat consumption increases the life expectancy. Meat begins to rot in the stomach before it is completely digested... We also have a longer intestine than animals that eat meat; it stays in the system much longer thus the cause of "Bowel Cancer” and many other ailments.

[TigerStyle786]

"Seek knowledge even unto China."

"Whosoever follows a path to seek knowledge therein, Allah will make easy for him a path to Paradise"

these are hadith u moron
theres nothing wrong with askin questions. in fact, its positively encouraged!

Saj__666

hehe right, r u muslim?

thank u for quoting beautiful hadiths on value of education

insulting names is not necessary... seeking knowledge is different than asking the "WHY" questions of the sort asked in the thread above..it's discouraged to ask such question..dont make a big deal out of it let it go...

[Indian1986]

. Like why are cows considered so sacred in hinduism?


Cows are not sacred in hinduism.The vedas or any other hindu texts don't say that.Cows were used by the Vedic people as a medium of exchange(Barter system).It was indicative of a person's wealth.Cows met all the needs of the vedic people ...capacity to multiply, work and supply milk.Hence, this medium became suitable for large transactions and long-term savings etc.Even the Bible specifies that if a person rode donkeys and camels, it indicated that he was a rich person.It was used to measure wealth..... that's all.

[TigerStyle786]

Hindu's should not consume any type of meat (beef, chicken or whatever) because we believe in Ahimsa (non-violence) and consider all living beings including the animals as brothers and sisters. Vegetarianism is considered to be the most ideal path towards spiritual progress and moksha (Liberation) in Hinduism. Killing and eating an animal is certainly not going to improve our karma. Besides, reducing meat consumption increases the life expectancy. Meat begins to rot in the stomach before it is completely digested... We also have a longer intestine than animals that eat meat; it stays in the system much longer thus the cause of "Bowel Cancer” and many other ailments.

oright in hinduism, r humans relly given the status equal to that of an ANIMAL? wow animals r our bros n sistuz!

my nex Q, why r humans given a better intelligence than their other bros n sistuz cats,dogs, n sheep. Does that mean these animals didnot have a good karma back in the days?

[the gothman]

ok...wtf?

so the reason pig is "haram" is because it is a "dirty" animal, yet pigs are one of the most hygenic organisms on the planet?

[the gothman]

Hindu's should not consume any type of meat (beef, chicken or whatever) because we believe in Ahimsa (non-violence) and consider all living beings including the animals as brothers and sisters. Vegetarianism is considered to be the most ideal path towards spiritual progress and moksha (Liberation) in Hinduism. Killing and eating an animal is certainly not going to improve our karma. Besides, reducing meat consumption increases the life expectancy. Meat begins to rot in the stomach before it is completely digested... We also have a longer intestine than animals that eat meat; it stays in the system much longer thus the cause of "Bowel Cancer” and many other ailments.

fuck, NS is going to be very unkind to you, weeding-out your genes unapologetically...

[Saj__666]

:sarb:

[Spiky]

Hindu's should not consume any type of meat (beef, chicken or whatever) because we believe in Ahimsa (non-violence) and consider all living beings including the animals as brothers and sisters. Vegetarianism is considered to be the most ideal path towards spiritual progress and moksha (Liberation) in Hinduism. Killing and eating an animal is certainly not going to improve our karma. Besides, reducing meat consumption increases the life expectancy. Meat begins to rot in the stomach before it is completely digested... We also have a longer intestine than animals that eat meat; it stays in the system much longer thus the cause of "Bowel Cancer” and many other ailments.


umm..NO...itz been classified as a part of society structure I think,....Khsatriyaz who are supposed to be bad ass and defending their grounds were supposed to eat meat, while brahmins dint need it coz it was afterall for physical capabilities. I dont know abt the other caste systems back in the days, like vendors, dunno what they were like..

[21cent]

ok...wtf?

so the reason pig is "haram" is because it is a "dirty" animal, yet pigs are one of the most hygenic organisms on the planet?


actully they are one of the dirtiest animal in the planet

and in the old days pigs carried diseases if u did't cook them correctly u get sick and die

the pigs now days are better and healthy because of the farms

now its just become a tradition and why break it its not harming anyone :neutral:

[Indian1986]

oright in hinduism, r humans relly given the status equal to that of an ANIMAL? wow animals r our bros n sistuz!

Yes...why do you think that they are inferior to us ?Human beings are animals after all.Animals are alive and they possess a soul,otherwise what separates a real dog from one of those cool robot dogs you can buy?Killing it for the sake of enjoying your meal is not a nice thing.

my nex Q, why r humans given a better intelligence than their other bros n sistuz cats,dogs, n sheep. Does that mean these animals didnot have a good karma back in the days?

Humans fall into the Animal Kingdom according to biologists. if man was so intelligent then why is he so destructive ?Why doesn't he learn even after making mistakes throughout history ?Our ancestors(who were apes) were more intelligent than we are today.They evolved and they were the ones who built all these great civilizations and religions.Many different types of energy(like polarized light) exist in the environment, some of which humans cannot detect but even small ant can.Animals have developed amazing adaptations to their environments,humans can't adapt so they destroy.There are things which animal can't do human can and there are things which a human can't do and animal can.So no one is superior to the other.If you are claiming knowledge of the Vedas you surely know that Karma is two-sided. There is instant Karma, that which is dealt in this life; and soul Karma, that which attaches to the soul which remains perfectly detached from the body you occupy, to be dealt on the end of this life cycle to determine your next position until your soul collects enough Karma points to evolve to the next level of existence. You will come back as a pig, snake etc.The human form of life is where you have a chance to cultivate self-realization and attain nirvana...

[Spiky]

Yes...why do you think that they are inferior to us ?Human beings are animals after all.Animals are alive and they possess a soul,otherwise what separates a real dog from one of those cool robot dogs you can buy?Killing it for the sake of enjoying your meal is not a nice thing.



Humans fall into the Animal Kingdom according to biologists. if man was so intelligent then why is he so destructive ?Why doesn't he learn even after making mistakes throughout history ?Our ancestors(who were apes) were more intelligent than we are today.They evolved and they were the ones who built all these great civilizations and religions.Many different types of energy(like polarized light) exist in the environment, some of which humans cannot detect but even small ant can.Animals have developed amazing adaptations to their environments,humans can't adapt so they destroy.There are things which animal can't do human can and there are things which a human can't do and animal can.So no one is superior to the other.


why did it become an argument abt why indians dont eat meat and beef?? wasnt it abt why pork was haram???

[...Hero...]

Red meat isnt even good for you, whatever the reason is, cut down on it Beef/Pork

[Indian1986]

why did it become an argument abt why indians dont eat meat and beef?? wasnt it abt why pork was haram???

The guy asked a question.

[badmAN_asiAN]

http://www.ehalal.net/Islam/Haram_files/Haram%20Pork.htm

[Spiky]

Red meat isnt even good for you, whatever the reason is, cut down on it Beef/Pork

I like my bacon egg and cheese and steak with fries :hand:

[Spiky]

and ribs :dribble:

[the gothman]

actully they are one of the dirtiest animal in the planet

and in the old days pigs carried diseases if u did't cook them correctly u get sick and die

the pigs now days are better and healthy because of the farms

now its just become a tradition and why break it its not harming anyone :neutral:

I am definitely going to need proof on this.

Pigs are some of the most hygenic animals around. They prefer to live in cleaner, cooler places. In the summer time they just roll in mud to keep cool and keep parasites off them (mostly their backs). They are also one of the most intelligent animals on the planet, with the capability of learning significantly more than a dog or a cat.

[the gothman]

Yes...why do you think that they are inferior to us ?Human beings are animals after all.Animals are alive and they possess a soul,otherwise what separates a real dog from one of those cool robot dogs you can buy?Killing it for the sake of enjoying your meal is not a nice thing.



Humans fall into the Animal Kingdom according to biologists. if man was so intelligent then why is he so destructive ?Why doesn't he learn even after making mistakes throughout history ?Our ancestors(who were apes) were more intelligent than we are today.They evolved and they were the ones who built all these great civilizations and religions.Many different types of energy(like polarized light) exist in the environment, some of which humans cannot detect but even small ant can.Animals have developed amazing adaptations to their environments,humans can't adapt so they destroy.There are things which animal can't do human can and there are things which a human can't do and animal can.So no one is superior to the other.If you are claiming knowledge of the Vedas you surely know that Karma is two-sided. There is instant Karma, that which is dealt in this life; and soul Karma, that which attaches to the soul which remains perfectly detached from the body you occupy, to be dealt on the end of this life cycle to determine your next position until your soul collects enough Karma points to evolve to the next level of existence. You will come back as a pig, snake etc.The human form of life is where you have a chance to cultivate self-realization and attain nirvana...

god damn, you moron. You are the epitomy of pseudo-science...

[21cent]

I am definitely going to need proof on this.

Pigs are some of the most hygenic animals around. They prefer to live in cleaner, cooler places. In the summer time they just roll in mud to keep cool and keep parasites off them (mostly their backs). They are also one of the most intelligent animals on the planet, with the capability of learning significantly more than a dog or a cat.

if pigs r so clean why do they eat their own wastes?

[Space-Cowboy]

Hindu's should not consume any type of meat (beef, chicken or whatever) because we believe in Ahimsa (non-violence) and consider all living beings including the animals as brothers and sisters. Vegetarianism is considered to be the most ideal path towards spiritual progress and moksha (Liberation) in Hinduism. Killing and eating an animal is certainly not going to improve our karma. Besides, reducing meat consumption increases the life expectancy. Meat begins to rot in the stomach before it is completely digested... We also have a longer intestine than animals that eat meat; it stays in the system much longer thus the cause of "Bowel Cancer” and many other ailments.

I can make up an entire case on why that's wrong.... both on a spiritual and practical basis........... ON top of which... the days of Ahimsa are long gone, and NEEDS to stay gone for the security of the Hindu peoples.

[the gothman]

Fuck, you people are just too idiotic for me. I am out....

[ShivaChrist]

O_o why? :think:

Because 1000+ years ago, people were stupid and didn't know how to cook properly. Uncooked or badly cooked pork can lead to disease (and pork is harder to cook then, say, chicken). Today though, pork can be eaten, is healthy, and there is nothing wrong with it.

But Holy Books don't change, so old rules made to keep people from getting sick continue to say the same things. Personally, I think they should change that rule because Muslims are really missing out on some good food.

[Logical_Uzi]

Pig's bodies contain many toxins, worms and latent diseases. Although some of these infestations are harbored in other animals, modern veterinarians say that pigs are far more predisposed to these illnesses than other animals. This could be because pigs like to scavenge and will eat any kind of food, including dead insects, worms, rotting carcasses, excreta (including their own), garbage, and other pigs.

The Jews and Christians are also forbidden from eating pork. Here is a quote from the Old Testament to that effect: "And the swine, because it divideth the hoof, yet cheweth not the cud, it is unclean unto you: ye shall not eat of their flesh, nor touch their dead carcase." Deuteronomy 14:8 Many Christians believe that this verse was directed only at the Jews. But Jesus himself says during the Sermon on the Mount; "Think not that I am come to destroy the Law, or the Prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill." Some Christians say that, after a vision by St. Peter, God cleansed all animals and made them fit and lawful for human consumption. If ALL animals are cleansed by Peter's vision, this includes dogs, cats, vultures, and rats: but you just don't see people getting excited about a cat-meat sandwich like they do over barbecued pork or bacon. Others say that it was Paul who rescinded the law forbidding pork to humans, in order to appease the Romans, who enjoyed the taste of pig-meat. Many excuses have been given, but none are very sound.

Many Far Eastern traditions also discourage the eating of pork. The 3,000 year old Confucian Book of Rites says, "A gentleman does not eat the flesh of pigs and dogs." Although many Chinese are avid eaters of pork today, physicians of ancient China recognized pork-eating as the root of many human ailments. Buddhists, Jains and Hindus usually avoid eating any kind of meat.

[Saj__666]

ROFL at Indian1986 tryin to draw parallels between animals and humans!!!!!!

lol, out off all the deluded idiots in this thread, u my friend, are the biggest

Saj__666

[...Hero...]

and ribs :dribble:

I wonder what you look like :think:

[TheSkyIsBlue]

Fuck, you people are just too idiotic for me. I am out....

no..u just didn't make any sense..lmao i didnt kno "some of the most hygenic animals around" eat the garbages around them and eat their own shit

[...Hero...]

no..u just didn't make any sense..lmao i didnt kno "some of the most hygenic animals around" eat the garbages around them and eat their own shit

It took someone else to tell you what your like

:no:

Fix up dude.

[TheSkyIsBlue]

It took someone else to tell you what your like

:no:

Fix up dude.

umm wat? i just mixed up both the comments posted earlier :neutral:

[Indian1986]

ROFL at Indian1986 tryin to draw parallels between animals and humans!!!!!!

lol, out off all the deluded idiots in this thread, u my friend, are the biggest

Saj__666

In never said animals and humans are same thing...Im not trying to draw any parallels between humans and animals.All I am saying is that "humans are superior to everyone" is a false notion.We all are equal in the eyes of god.

[Spiky]

I wonder what you look like :think:

u r gonna envy me..lets leave it at that :cool2:

[...Hero...]

u r gonna envy me..lets leave it at that :cool2:

:rofl: pfffft! Yeah right.

[Spiky]

I am having chilli cheese dogs :D

[TheSkyIsBlue]

pigs are haram for good reasons..they are dirtier than mice..now all the kaafirs who wanna keep arguing can just gtfo..no one's tellin u not to eat it..we believe wat we believe

w/e im out to bed..6 in the morning my mind can't even think wat to post in this thread :neutral:

[Spiky]

pigs are haram for good reasons..they are dirtier than mice..now all the kaafirs who wanna keep arguing can just gtfo..no one's tellin u not to eat it..we believe wat we believe

w/e im out to bed..6 in the morning my mind can't even think wat to post in this thread :neutral:

let me poke u...

[Spiky]

i mean have sum pork .

[...Hero...]

I am having chilli cheese dogs :D
http://www.webslayer.net/laura/GZ/homer_simpson_drool.jpg

[Indian1986]

I can make up an entire case on why that's wrong.... both on a spiritual and practical basis........... ON top of which... the days of Ahimsa are long gone, and NEEDS to stay gone for the security of the Hindu peoples.

Bhagavad Gita says war and killing is justified only when it is meant to fight evil and injustice.....Animals have done no Harm or Evil to us and we are killing them and calling it 'food' .Would you think it's acceptable for someone to harm you?

[rizzy_4_u]

coz dey eat der own shit ...

[Space-Cowboy]

Bhagavad Gita says war and killing is justified only when it is meant to fight evil and injustice.....Animals have done no Harm or Evil to us and we are killing them and calling it 'food' .Would you think it's acceptable for someone to harm you?


Gita stresses the importance of 'role'. We as humans play a very definite 'role' as creatures on top of the food chain. That by no means makes us more important than other animals in terms of value.... but there are certain roles we DO have to fulfill. Just like scavengers and decomposers have their own role to do when we die.

[foreverconfused]

Gita stresses the importance of 'role'. We as humans play a very definite 'role' as creatures on top of the food chain. That by no means makes us more important than other animals in terms of value.... but there are certain roles we DO have to fulfill. Just like scavengers and decomposers have their own role to do when we die.


i agree with most of your posts, but i don't know if i agree with this one.

strictly speaking, ahimsa should be followed and meat should not be consumed. however, the rigidity of this rule differs for different sectors of society. kshatriyas, for example, were permitted to consume meat, because it was recognized that total ahimsa might lead to reluctance to fight and defend. but if one intends to do strict religious study, meat concumption is banned. i believe this is written in the vedas. rules on vegetarianism are liberal, but no where does it say meat consumption is fine and dandy for people in every occupation.

i also don't think it's fair to put animals at the same level of importance as humans. it is true that we are not all the same. human mental capacities and intelligence are far more developed than those of animals. vegetarianism is suggested in hinduism, because from an ethical point of view, it is considered best not to harm other living things. partaking of meat is considered indirect support of the harm of animals. a vegetarian diet is therefore suggested where ever possible to reduce harm and violence towards animals.

[desi_uk]

O_o why? :think:
Any animal that eat another animal is haram.

Pigs are very dirty, they roll around in their own excrement and carry many diseases.

[CurryBear]

Because mohammed was killed by pigs.

[camy1911]

isn;'t it that some animals were made to be eaten and some werent..and the way u tell is by their paw or foot or whatever..like why we're allowed tro east hare but rabbitz are haraam x

[ThomasMcCabe]

Bhagavad Gita says war and killing is justified only when it is meant to fight evil and injustice.....Animals have done no Harm or Evil to us and we are killing them and calling it 'food' .Would you think it's acceptable for someone to harm you?
Have you read the 'Khandav Prastha' in the Mahabharat? Where Krishna and Arjun feed Agni by burning down the entire Khandav forest? No animal or bird was spared. Now why oh why would these two, who going ahead were involved in the Bhagvad Gita do such a thing? Where was the compassion?

I think Indian1986, that you have a very one track view of your religion. Hinduism is far older, has passed through far many societies and times, has far too many variations and is far more complex than the you have thought about. Have respect and dont confine your religion like that. If Muslims and Christians do it it is understandable. But when Hindus do it and turn their own religion into a clone of the Abrahamaic ones, it gets to me.

Hindus have been meat eaters in the past. There seems to be a record of even Brahmins eating beef. The logic for vegetarianism is that it is more humane. That you have got right. But vegetarianism does not make sense in every situation. It does make some sense in an agricultural economy that is doing well - which is what happened when the Indians started settling down across India.

Jumpn_jza, I think that it is haram in Islam because it was already haram in Judaism. The prophet was in touch with the Jews and this rule would have made a lot of sense. In human settlements, pigs indeed are dirty, and so it made a lot of sense to declare them haram.

However, I have one question. What about the wild boar?

[ThomasMcCabe]

Because mohammed was killed by pigs.
:neutral: WTF?

[desi_uk]

isn;'t it that some animals were made to be eaten and some werent..and the way u tell is by their paw or foot or whatever..like why we're allowed tro east hare but rabbitz are haraam x
rabbits arnt haram

any animlals that eats another animal is haram

[Nad87]

rabbits arnt haram

any animlals that eats another animal is haram

I agree with desi_uk, I heard that we are not allowed to eat carnivores and therefore as pigs eat anything then it is haraam.

[camy1911]

rabbits arnt haram

any animlals that eats another animal is haram

oh...iv never seen a pig eat another animal..dont animals that eat other animals have canines?

[Nad87]

oh...iv never seen a pig eat another animal..dont animals that eat other animals have canines?

No, pigs eat anything - that's why some people feed dead human bodies to pigs to get rid of them.

[Space-Cowboy]

i agree with most of your posts, but i don't know if i agree with this one.

strictly speaking, ahimsa should be followed and meat should not be consumed. however, the rigidity of this rule differs for different sectors of society. kshatriyas, for example, were permitted to consume meat, because it was recognized that total ahimsa might lead to reluctance to fight and defend. but if one intends to do strict religious study, meat concumption is banned. i believe this is written in the vedas. rules on vegetarianism are liberal, but no where does it say meat consumption is fine and dandy for people in every occupation.

i also don't think it's fair to put animals at the same level of importance as humans. it is true that we are not all the same. human mental capacities and intelligence are far more developed than those of animals. vegetarianism is suggested in hinduism, because from an ethical point of view, it is considered best not to harm other living things. partaking of meat is considered indirect support of the harm of animals. a vegetarian diet is therefore suggested where ever possible to reduce harm and violence towards animals.

Nope, not written in the Vedas...... well it is... but it's more complicated.... It's 'not suggested' for those who've ALREADY reached higher levels of spiritual understanding... not the 'average Joe' humans.

[sabi21]

ewww even the sight of a pig on telly, or the smell of bacon makes me wanna throw up! blaaaaakhhh - shit thread ''mumbles tuppid kaafirs''

[ThomasMcCabe]

ewww even the sight of a pig on telly, or the smell of bacon makes me wanna throw up! blaaaaakhhh - shit thread ''mumbles tuppid kaafirs''
LOL

[desi_uk]

oh...iv never seen a pig eat another animal..dont animals that eat other animals have canines?
Yeah pigs dont physically eat another animal well some wild ones do.

But the reason why theyre haram is coz theyre really dirty

[foreverconfused]

Nope, not written in the Vedas...... well it is... but it's more complicated.... It's 'not suggested' for those who've ALREADY reached higher levels of spiritual understanding... not the 'average Joe' humans.

the 'average joe' is certainly not required to be a vegetarian. but a vegetarian diet is not just suggested for those who have already reached high levels of spiritual understanding, but for those currently studying the vedas (i.e. those on their way towards a higher understanding).

meat consumption is allowed for many sectors of society, but strictly speaking the vedas do suggest (but do not enforce) vegetarianism.

i hope i have not misunderstood your orginal post...

[mackyy]

http://www.ehalal.net/Islam/Haram_files/Haram%20Pork.htm

[americanmohit]

what really happened is, when they were writing the quaran (sp?), some guy had a bad experience with eating pig an so he decided pig was a bad the to eat so no followers of islam should eat it either since he had a bad experience with it. :neutral:

lol..

[samosa321]

what really happened is, when they were writing the quaran (sp?), some guy had a bad experience with eating pig an so he decided pig was a bad the to eat so no followers of islam should eat it either since he had a bad experience with it. :neutral:



Thanks for the mindless contribution of the day.

[ThomasMcCabe]

No one has answered this question still -

Is a wild boar haram too?

[desi_uk]

No one has answered this question still -

Is a wild boar haram too?
yeah its a pig

[NYzNiCCa]

what really happened is, when they were writing the quaran (sp?), some guy had a bad experience with eating pig an so he decided pig was a bad the to eat so no followers of islam should eat it either since he had a bad experience with it. :neutral:

yeah having u was pbbly the worst experience of ur mother....a cunt coming out of another cunt is pretty disgusting.

[ThomasMcCabe]

yeah its a pig
Okay. :neutral: But it is clean no?

[mackyy]

No one has answered this question still -

Is a wild boar haram too?
ive posted a link, you can read about it there, can be useful

[ThomasMcCabe]

ive posted a link, you can read about it there, can be useful
Cool. Thanks.

[mackyy]

Cool. Thanks.
yvw.

[ThomasMcCabe]

Hmmm .. interesting part of macky's link.


Every creature was created by Allah for a purpose. The Prophet always encouraged being kind to animals. Although we should not eat the meat of the pig, it doesn't mean that we should hate pigs. We should show them the same kindness as any other animal, and not abuse or torture them. Pigs score high on tests devised to determine animal intelligence; in other words, they are very smart. It used to be that Europe people believed that pork would taste better if the pigs were kept in a state of filth, but this is not the natural inclination of the pig. When left to their own devices, it is said that pigs do not like to soil their sleeping quarters. As for their tendency to wallow in mud, that is done mainly to keep cool.

Thanks once again mate!

[desi_uk]

Okay. :neutral: But it is clean no?
no its holds the same attributes as a normal farm pig

The only time we can eat any other animal is if we find ourself in a desperate situation like being stranded on a desert island for example. Even then we have to 1st find alternatives

[ThomasMcCabe]

no its holds the same attributes as a normal farm pig

And which attributes are those?

[desi_uk]

And which attributes are those?
Thats is napaak (unclean) and we are not allowed to eat it

[mackyy]

Hmmm .. interesting part of macky's link.



Thanks once again mate!
you very welcome :)

[lady_noor]

Pigs are one of the filthiest animals living - both in conduct and in content. Animals have one mate..pigs actually swing. TAnyway, tying to remember what everyone said here:

* Food isn't supposed to be eaten in excess in Islam - there's a hadith that states when we eat, 1/3 should be for food, 1/3 for drink and 1/3 for AIR.


*Pork isn't prohibited ONLY in the Quran. It's in the Old Testament (and that's why jews don't eat it either). But people change scriptures, the Quran was never changed which is why not eating pig is more prevalent in Islam.

*There are many scientific facts which show the diseases you can get from a pig. Someone mentioned the injections that other animals e.g. cows would get but since Muslims eat HALAL food, i doubt they'd use such measures.

*There is always temptation in the world which is one of the reasons pigs are here - to test you - the laws have been written, now it's up to you. You don't get into heaven easily. Another reason is pigs eat shit so they probably clean up the place too :D

*Religion is for all time. We can see clearly, through scientific facts, how harmful pigs are - other facts may emerge in the future.

[sum41pieces]

yeah having u was pbbly the worst experience of ur mother....a cunt coming out of another cunt is pretty disgusting.

awsome come back bravo the best diss i have ever seen.










fucking not you dumbass.
You really believe god told someone they shouldn't eat pig because its dirty? are you fucking kidding me? then why did he create pig?

[izzzy]

what really happened is, when they were writing the quaran (sp?), some guy had a bad experience with eating pig an so he decided pig was a bad the to eat so no followers of islam should eat it either since he had a bad experience with it. :neutral:

Talk sense u weird looking mofo!!

if u cant then .. dnt talk..simple ;)

[sum41pieces]

Talk sense u weird looking mofo!!

if u cant then .. dnt talk..simple ;)

learn how to be more resonable you ugly looking mofo!!

if you cant then dnt talk..simple.

[izzzy]

learn how to be more resonable you ugly looking mofo!!

if you cant then dnt talk..simple.

Wow..creative use of words...

u lack intellect aswell as looks..shame on u !! :p

now ..GTFO >> :wavey:

[mackyy]

awsome come back bravo the best diss i have ever seen.










fucking not you dumbass.
You really believe god told someone they shouldn't eat pig because its dirty? are you fucking kidding me? then why did he create pig?
read this dude
Every creature was created by Allah for a purpose. The Prophet always encouraged being kind to animals. Although we should not eat the meat of the pig, it doesn't mean that we should hate pigs. We should show them the same kindness as any other animal, and not abuse or torture them. Pigs score high on tests devised to determine animal intelligence; in other words, they are very smart. It used to be that Europe people believed that pork would taste better if the pigs were kept in a state of filth, but this is not the natural inclination of the pig. When left to their own devices, it is said that pigs do not like to soil their sleeping quarters. As for their tendency to wallow in mud, that is done mainly to keep cool.

[mackyy]

and if you still need to knw more, check this link

http://www.ehalal.net/Islam/Haram_f...aram%20Pork.htm

[Space-Cowboy]

the 'average joe' is certainly not required to be a vegetarian. but a vegetarian diet is not just suggested for those who have already reached high levels of spiritual understanding, but for those currently studying the vedas (i.e. those on their way towards a higher understanding).

meat consumption is allowed for many sectors of society, but strictly speaking the vedas do suggest (but do not enforce) vegetarianism.

i hope i have not misunderstood your orginal post...


Yup that's what I mean, The Vedas make 'suggestions', not 'laws'. Hinduism isn't about 'rules' and 'regulations', it's about 'cause' and 'effect' :D

[sum41pieces]

read this dude
Every creature was created by Allah for a purpose. The Prophet always encouraged being kind to animals. Although we should not eat the meat of the pig, it doesn't mean that we should hate pigs. We should show them the same kindness as any other animal, and not abuse or torture them. Pigs score high on tests devised to determine animal intelligence; in other words, they are very smart. It used to be that Europe people believed that pork would taste better if the pigs were kept in a state of filth, but this is not the natural inclination of the pig. When left to their own devices, it is said that pigs do not like to soil their sleeping quarters. As for their tendency to wallow in mud, that is done mainly to keep cool.

hmmm pretty interesting actually...the thing is people just need to be more open minded to others opinions.

[sum41pieces]

Wow..creative use of words...

u lack intellect aswell as looks..shame on u !! :p

now ..GTFO >> :wavey:

If you are going to diss my intelligents learn how to spell first. :idea:

[ThomasMcCabe]

Pigs are one of the filthiest animals living - both in conduct and in content. Animals have one mate..pigs actually swing.

Your ignorance is amazing.

[out1aw]

Great Facts on Pork

Bismillah Walhamdulillah Was Salaatu Was Salaam 'ala Rasulillah. Following text give you reasons why Allah (SWT) has forbidden eating pork. There are many other reasons which we do not know of but ALLAH (SWT) knows.

"You are what you eat" - Native American proverb

In folklore terms, eating the meat of the pig is said to contribute to lack of morality and shame, plus greed for wealth, laziness, indulgence, dirtiness and gluttony. We insult a person by calling him or her a "Pig" when they demonstrate these characteristics. Muslims are forbidden by God to eat the meat of the pig (pork).

This is detailed in verses 2:173, 5:3, 6:145, and 16:115 of the Qur'an. An exemplary verse is quoted here: "He has only forbidden you dead meat, and blood, and the flesh of swine, and any (food) over which the name of other than Allah has been invoked. But if one is forced by necessity, without willful disobedience, nor transgressing due limits, then Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful."

Is Pork Forbidden to Muslims Only?

The Jews and Christians are also forbidden from eating pork. Here is a quote from the Old Testament to that effect: "And the swine, because it divideth the hoof, yet cheweth not the cud, it is unclean unto you: ye shall not eat of their flesh, nor touch their dead carcase." Deuteronomy 14:8

Many Christians believe that this verse was directed only at the Jews. But Jesus himself says during the Sermon on the Mount; "Think not that I am come to destroy the Law, or the Prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill." Some Christians say that, after a vision by St. Peter, God cleansed all animals and made them fit and lawful for human consumption. If ALL animals are cleansed by Peter's vision, this includes dogs, cats, vultures, and rats: but you just don't see people getting excited about a cat-meat sandwich like they do over barbecued pork or bacon. Others say that it was Paul who rescinded the law forbidding pork to humans, in order to appease the Romans, who enjoyed the taste of pig-meat. Many excuses have been given, but none are very sound.

Many Far Eastern traditions also discourage the eating of pork. The 3,000 year old Confucian Book of Rites says, "Agentleman does not eat the flesh of pigs and dogs." Although many Chinese are avid eaters of pork today, physicians of ancient China recognized pork-eating as the root of many human ailments. Buddhists, Jains and Hindus usually avoid eating any kind of meat.


Bad effects of pork consumption

Pig's bodies contain many toxins, worms and latent diseases. Although some of these infestations are harbored in other animals, modern veterinarians say that pigs are far more predisposed to these illnesses than other animals. This could be because pigs like to scavenge and will eat any kind of food, including dead insects, worms, rotting carcasses, excreta (including their own), garbage, and other pigs.

Influenza (flu) is one of the most famous illnesses which pigs share with humans. This illness is harbored in the lungs of pigs during the summer months and tends to affect pigs and humans in the cooler months. Sausage contains bits of pigs' lungs, so those who eat pork sausage tend to suffer more during epidemics of influenza. Pig meat contains excessive quantities of histamine and imidazole compounds, which can lead to itching and inflammation; growth hormone, which promotes inflammation and growth; sulphur-containing mesenchymal mucus, which leads to swelling and deposits of mucus in tendons and cartilage, resulting in arthritis, rheumatism, etc.

Sulfur helps cause firm human tendons and ligaments to be replaced by the pig's soft mesenchymal tissues, and degeneration of human cartilage. Eating pork can also lead to gallstones and obesity, probably due to its high cholesterol and saturated fat content. The pig is the main carrier of the taenia solium worm, which is found it its flesh. These tapeworms are found in human intestines with greater frequency in nations where pigs are eaten. This type of tapeworm can pass through the intestines and affect many other organs, and is incurable once it reaches beyond a certain stage. One in six people in the US and Canada has trichinosis from eating trichina worms which are found in pork. Many people have no symptoms to warn them of this, and when they do, they resemble symptoms of many other illnesses. These worms are not noticed during meat inspections, nor are they killed by salting or smoking. Few people cook the meat long enough to kill the trichinae. The rat (another scavenger) also harbors this disease. There are dozens of other worms, germs, diseases and bacteria which are commonly found in pigs, many of which are specific to the pig, or found in greater frequency in pigs.

Pigs are biologically similar to humans, and their meat is said to taste similar to human flesh. Pigs have been used for dissection in biology labs due to the similarity between their organs and human organs. People with insulin-dependent diabetes usually inject themselves with pig insulin.


Kindness to animals

Every creature was created by Allah for a purpose. The Prophet always encouraged being kind to animals. Although we should not eat the meat of the pig, it doesn't mean that we should hate pigs. We should show them the same kindness as any other animal, and not abuse or torture them. Pigs score high on tests devised to determine animal intelligence; in other words, they are very smart. It used to be that Europe people believed that pork would taste better if the pigs were kept in a state of filth, but this is not the natural inclination of the pig. When left to their own devices, it is said that pigs do not like to soil their sleeping quarters. As for their tendency to wallow in mud, that is done mainly to keep cool.


References:

* "Animals in Islam", by Al-Hafiz B.A. Masri,
* "Diet for a New America", by John Robbins,
* "Islamic Dietary Laws and Practices", by M.M. Hussaini, M.S. and A.H. Sakr, Ph.D.
* "Homotoxicology", by Dr. Hans-Heinrich Reckweg
* "Muslims in Alien Society", by Muhammad Samiallah

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source: www.themodernreligion.com

[ThomasMcCabe]

Why are you guys all copy/pasting from the same article? :neutral:

[out1aw]

i didnt bother going through the whole thread, just read the first post n posted it

[MrT]

"
The pig is the most shameless animal on the face of the earth. It is the only animal that invites its friends to have sex with its mate. In America, most people consume pork. Many times after dance parties, they have swapping of wives; i.e. many say "you sleep with my wife and I will sleep with your wife." If you eat pigs then you behave like pigs."

[Indian1986]

Have you read the 'Khandav Prastha' in the Mahabharat? Where Krishna and Arjun feed Agni by burning down the entire Khandav forest? No animal or bird was spared. Now why oh why would these two, who going ahead were involved in the Bhagvad Gita do such a thing? Where was the compassion?

I think Indian1986, that you have a very one track view of your religion. Hinduism is far older, has passed through far many societies and times, has far too many variations and is far more complex than the you have thought about. Have respect and dont confine your religion like that. If Muslims and Christians do it it is understandable. But when Hindus do it and turn their own religion into a clone of the Abrahamaic ones, it gets to me.

Hindus have been meat eaters in the past. There seems to be a record of even Brahmins eating beef. The logic for vegetarianism is that it is more humane. That you have got right. But vegetarianism does not make sense in every situation. It does make some sense in an agricultural economy that is doing well - which is what happened when the Indians started settling down across India.

Jumpn_jza, I think that it is haram in Islam because it was already haram in Judaism. The prophet was in touch with the Jews and this rule would have made a lot of sense. In human settlements, pigs indeed are dirty, and so it made a lot of sense to declare them haram.

However, I have one question. What about the wild boar?


Yes it's mentioned in mahabharat if you are quoting from transliterations by English scholars(Which are not accurate and biased for the most part).I am saying this because in the same Mahabharat, for instance, the warrior Bheeshm explains to Yuddhishtira, eldest of the Pandav princes, that the meat of animals is like the flesh of one's own son and hence must be avoided.Every religion has it's flaws.Religion is man made. Faith is man made. Philosophy is man made.Some man made things are good, some aren't.Remember that these texts [c.4000-5000bc] is a series of hymns. Do you believe that all songs are based on truths? Of course not they are part of the mythology.Just about every religion and mythology has apocalyptic myths,hinduism is no exception.Also you have to remember that hinduism was altered by brahmins during brahminical era.I believe in samkhya hinduism(an agnoistic faith and I don't believe in these mythologies) , which the Brahmins declared as "no longer a living faith" because it would render them powerless, as the Catholics did with the Scriptures of Saint Thomas.Contradictions and errors are bound to happen.The Brahmins also translated Sanskrit into Hindi, and in doing so, changed the meaning of some very important aspects, and therefore did not fully understand the true meaning of the words.A hindu text in sanskrit will greatly differ from a hindu text in hindi or other indian langauges.Sections were lost in the wars with outsiders, as the Hindus became lazy in relying on the writings instead of the meticulously detailed handing down by word of mouth previously used. Hence, the original doctrine was bastardised to some extent.

But you are right early hindus(even the harrapans) were beef eaters for some reason even though the vedas prohibit it.I don't know why.I think vegetarianism became more popular with the advent of buddhism,advaita school of hinduism(which preaches pantheism/Monasticism) and jainism.It was under the Mauryans, animal sacrifices became less popular, and although people didn’t give up eating meat entirely, they ate much less of it. And a lot of eventually people became vegetarians.

[camy1911]

The Jews and Christians are also forbidden from eating pork. Here is a quote from the Old Testament to that effect: "And the swine, because it divideth the hoof, yet cheweth not the cud, it is unclean unto you: ye shall not eat of their flesh, nor touch their dead carcase." Deuteronomy 14:8



thats what I was saying earlier about the foot/paw is also a sign of weather the animal was made to be eaten by humans x

[Space-Cowboy]

And just to let you know, I personally, being a Vedic, more a LOT more weight on the Vedas and Upanishads than the Gita ;)

[khanbaba_]

"
The pig is the most shameless animal on the face of the earth. It is the only animal that invites its friends to have sex with its mate. In America, most people consume pork. Many times after dance parties, they have swapping of wives; i.e. many say "you sleep with my wife and I will sleep with your wife." If you eat pigs then you behave like pigs."

you are what u eat
lolz

[dj XeNo]

because Allah told us it is.

[ElDiablo]

Uric Acid, blood

thats the answer

[Ash_s2002]

The pig has not jugular vein, when an animal or anything that dies, its blodd releases poisonous toxins into the meat(body), that is why the islamic way to kill an animal is to cut its jugular vein and let it bleed to death, thus releasing as much blood out of the body as possible. Oh and also cause its dirty cand cause were nto supposed to eat it according to the quran. Well thats what i know anyway if am wrong tell me :neutral:

[ElDiablo]

The pig has not jugular vein, when an animal or anything that dies, its blodd releases poisonous toxins into the meat(body), that is why the islamic way to kill an animal is to cut its jugular vein and let it bleed to death, thus releasing as much blood out of the body as possible. Oh and also cause its dirty cand cause were nto supposed to eat it according to the quran. Well thats what i know anyway if am wrong tell me :neutral:

your spot on, its unclean and unhealthy.

[Ash_s2002]

your spot on, its unclean and unhealthy.
:dance3: :dance3: :dance3: :dance3: I got something right :p :p

[ThomasMcCabe]

"
The pig is the most shameless animal on the face of the earth. It is the only animal that invites its friends to have sex with its mate. In America, most people consume pork. Many times after dance parties, they have swapping of wives; i.e. many say "you sleep with my wife and I will sleep with your wife." If you eat pigs then you behave like pigs."


:rolleyes: Wow. Another one.

[Social_larki]

what really happened is, when they were writing the quaran (sp?), some guy had a bad experience with eating pig an so he decided pig was a bad the to eat so no followers of islam should eat it either since he had a bad experience with it. :neutral:


moron

[MrT]

The pig has not jugular vein, when an animal or anything that dies, its blodd releases poisonous toxins into the meat(body), that is why the islamic way to kill an animal is to cut its jugular vein and let it bleed to death, thus releasing as much blood out of the body as possible. Oh and also cause its dirty cand cause were nto supposed to eat it according to the quran. Well thats what i know anyway if am wrong tell me :neutral:
WTF do you think a pig is? An alien?
http://www.bio.davidson.edu/Courses/bio112/Bio112LabMan/cppig2_files/image008.gif
"...no jugular vein..."
Maybe you don't have an anus.

[Social_larki]

as mentioned earlier it is because they are unclean, unhealthy, also been told that their orgasm lasts about 30 mins and all are bisexual. As in they can have sex with either sex.

i could however be wrong LOL

[Ash_s2002]

WTF do you think a pig is? An alien?
http://www.bio.davidson.edu/Courses/bio112/Bio112LabMan/cppig2_files/image008.gif
"...no jugular vein..."
Maybe you don't have an anus.
Oye I did say at the end of that i may be wrong so take a bloody chill pill, thats what i got told

[Unloved_lover]

O_o why? :think:

By Dr. Zakir Naik


Question: Why is the eating of pork forbidden in Islam?
Answer: The fact that consumption of pork is prohibited in Islam is well known. The following points explain various aspects of this prohibition:

1. Pork-prohibited in Qur’an
The Qur’an prohibits the consumption of pork in no less than 4 different places. Its prohibited in 2:173, 5:3, 6:145 and 16:115.

Forbidden to you (for food) are: dead meat, blood, the flesh of swine, and that on which hath been invoked a name other than that of Allah. [Al-Qur’an 5:3] The above verses of the Holy Qur’an are sufficient to satisfy a Muslim as to why pork is forbidden.

2. Pork prohibited in the Bible
The Christian is likely to be convinced by his religious scriptures. The Bible prohibits the consumption of pork, in the book of Leviticus and the swine, as he divideth the hoof, and be cloven footed, yet he cheweth not the cud; he is unclean to you. Of their flesh shall ye not eat, and their carcass shall ye not touch, they are unclean to you. Leviticus chapter 11 verse 7 and 8:

Pork is also prohibited in the book of Deuteronomy
And the swine, because it divideth the hoof, yet cheweth not the cud, it is unclean unto you. Ye shall not eat of their flesh, nor touch their dead carcass. Deuteronomy chapter 14 verse 8:

A similar prohibition is repeated in the book of Isaiah chapter 65 verse 2-5.

3. Consumption of pork causes several diseases
The other non-Muslims and atheists will agree only if convinced through reason, logic and science. Eating of pork can cause no less than seventy different types of diseases. A person can have various Helminthes, like roundworm, pinworm, hookworm, etc. One of the most dangerous is Taenia Solium, which in a layman’s terminology is called tapeworm. It harbours in the intestine and is very long. Its ova i.e. eggs, enter the blood stream and can reach almost all the organs of the body. If it enters the brain it can cause memory loss. If it enters the heart it can cause heart attack and if it enters the eye it can cause blindness. If it enters the liver it can cause liver damage. It can damage almost all the organs of the body.

Another dangerous helminthes is Taenia Tichurasis. A common misconception about pork is that if it is cooked well, these ova die. In a research project undertaken in America, it was found that out of twenty-four people suffering from

Taenia tichurasis, twenty two had cooked the pork very well. This indicates that the ovas present in the pork do not die under normal cooking temperature.

4. Pork has fat building material
Pork has very little muscle building material and contains excess of fat. This fat gets deposited in the vessels and can cause hypertension and heart attack. It is not surprising that over 50% of Americans suffer from hypertension.

5. Pig is one of the filthiest animals on earth
The pig is one of the filthiest animals on earth. It lives and thrives on muck, faeces and dirt. It is the best scavenger that I know that God has produced. In the villages they don’t have modern toilets and the villagers excrete in the open air. Very often excreta is cleared by pigs.

Some may argue that in advanced countries like Australia, pigs are bred in very clean and hygienic conditions. Even in these hygienic conditions the pigs are kept together in sties. No matter how hard you try to keep them clean they are filthy by nature. They eat and enjoy their own as well as their neighbour’s excreta.

6. Pig is the most shameless animal
The pig is the most shameless animal on the face of the earth. It is the only animal that invites its friends to have sex with its mate. It feels no jealousy. And among people who consume pork, the practice of wife swapping and other forms of promiscuous behaviour is common

[ThomasMcCabe]

Yes it's mentioned in mahabharat if you are quoting from transliterations by English scholars(Which are not accurate and biased for the most part).

Errrr ... it was a Hindi translation.

I am saying this because in the same Mahabharat, for instance, the warrior Bheeshm explains to Yuddhishtira, eldest of the Pandav princes, that the meat of animals is like the flesh of one's own son and hence must be avoided.

That could be an addition, don't you think?

Every religion has it's flaws.Religion is man made. Faith is man made. .... Saint Thomas.

I am not trying to point out contradictions in Hinduism. And even if there contradictions, that I think is the beauty of Hinduism. It forces you to think and to choose, rather than get ready made answers.


Contradictions and errors are bound to happen.The Brahmins also translated Sanskrit into Hindi, .... bastardised to some extent. Are you trying to apologize? This is what I mean by the continuous 'Abrahamization' of Hinduism. People like you will end up changing Hinduism into Islam v2.0 or Christianity v1.1. Why do you have to aim for accuracy? Are people Hindus because some god/goddess cam and dictated a book to them?

But you are right early hindus(even the harrapans) were beef eaters for some reason even though the vedas prohibit it.I don't know why.I think vegetarianism became more popular with the advent of buddhism,advaita school of hinduism(which preaches pantheism/Monasticism) and jainism.It was under the Mauryans, animal sacrifices became less popular, and although people didn’t give up eating meat entirely, they ate much less of it. And a lot of eventually people became vegetarians.

That seems quite possible.

[lili420]

its haram cause its got the nastiest habits as an animal. its a dirty animal by nature... it eats anythign and everythign including its own shit, and its got the worst sexual habits too. you are what you eat, so therefore its prohibited to eat an animal wiht such bad habits.
Scientifically also, its got a hugeeee fat content, and its really not good for your health either.
It has a lot to do with you are what you eat. thats why violent predator carnivorous animal's meat is prohiibited in Islam too.

[celio]

But alchohol IS banned in Islam... and in the historical context, vegitables were boiled back then, not fried, ..... bread was baked.... 'cooking oil' in that sense was not present... the only source of 'fat' in the Middle East at the time [there were no cows in the immediate region at the time] were pigs.


Personally that's what I *think* it may have come from..... again, I don't know. I'm Hindu.

so ur tryin to say pigs where the only creatures existed tht time!! no camels as well!! HAHAHAHAHAHA! PIGA ROAMING AROUND IN THE DESERT! FREAK! DO U KNW WAA! U REMIND OF THIS GUY WHO THE ENITRE CLASS BEAT THE SHIT OUT COZ HE THOUGHT HE WAS SMARTER THN REST OF THE CLASS... i m sure u got beaten up atleast 2 times in the school!!

[Space-Cowboy]

so ur tryin to say pigs where the only creatures existed tht time!! no camels as well!! HAHAHAHAHAHA! PIGA ROAMING AROUND IN THE DESERT! FREAK! DO U KNW WAA! U REMIND OF THIS GUY WHO THE ENITRE CLASS BEAT THE SHIT OUT COZ HE THOUGHT HE WAS SMARTER THN REST OF THE CLASS... i m sure u got beaten up atleast 2 times in the school!!


7 years, Muay Thai. I'd own you like a lil bitch :idea:

And re-read what I said, dumbfuck, cuz you clearly don't understand SHIT.

[Unloved_lover]

7 years, Muay Thai. I'd own you like a lil bitch :idea:

And re-read what I said, dumbfuck, cuz you clearly don't understand SHIT.

looooooool sumones nerve got pulled.

[Space-Cowboy]

looooooool sumones nerve got pulled.


I'm annoyed at the sheer stupidity of some people in the forums who never actually read my posts to try and understand what I'm trying to say. :idea:......... that and the fact that ol' pretty boy over there is smaller than my breakfast. ... fuck, I've taken bigger shits than him.... [thank you Raisin Bran :salut: ]

[uglybutt]

man just let this thread die. its just turning into a hate thread now and people are resorting to vulgar language. Its very unfortunate that we cannot have a discussion without letting our emotions get into it.

[x$aira786x]

my friend once told me that a good gangsta has a pigfarm
because if you keep the pigs hungry
they will eat anything
........even dead bodies
because its the only way to get rid of a body without a trace left

[foreverconfused]

I'm annoyed at the sheer stupidity of some people in the forums who never actually read my posts to try and understand what I'm trying to say. :idea:......... that and the fact that ol' pretty boy over there is smaller than my breakfast. ... fuck, I've taken bigger shits than him.... [thank you Raisin Bran :salut: ]

i still don't understand wtf celio just said. or how it ties in with anything else. :sarb:

[$H@MZ]

my friend once told me that a good gangsta has a pigfarm
because if you keep the pigs hungry
they will eat anything
........even dead bodies
because its the only way to get rid of a body without a trace left

:yes: And also they are the only animal that eats its own waste.

I dont know how reliable this source is but someone told me that pigs have anal sex... which is forbidden in Islam, and I think thats why.

If it aint, dont laugh. It aint my fault you know more about a pigs bum hole than I do.

[Unloved_lover]

man just let this thread die. its just turning into a hate thread now and people are resorting to vulgar language. Its very unfortunate that we cannot have a discussion without letting our emotions get into it.

yeh ur right, the question of the main thread has been anwsered by a few people already. Read what they wrote :eek:

[uglybutt]

my friend once told me that a good gangsta has a pigfarm
because if you keep the pigs hungry
they will eat anything
........even dead bodies
because its the only way to get rid of a body without a trace left
thats from the movie 'snatch'.

[x$aira786x]

thats from the movie 'snatch'.

lol i duno i aint ever seeen it

[TigerStyle786]

the WHY questions are the only ones that matter
why should we believe in god
why should we believe in muhammads version of god
why should we pray
why shouldnt we sleep around like sluts i mean if she says yes, and u say hell yeah then whats the problem :sarb:

it seems to me your just a sheep who follows everything blindly. for me "god knows best" is Not an acceptable comeback to all the difficult questions

Saj__666

oright from ur questions, i sense ur not a muslim and ur WHY questions r acceptable cuz ur new to the concept of God.

b4 asking why questions, i get the understanding u believe there is a CREATOR of universe.

Q1)why should we believe in god - becuz its his right to be acknowledged n worshiped n praised becuz he's ur creator without him u wudnt be living n breathing...

Q2) why should we believe in muhammads version of god - M's version of God is the true concept of God becuz the book M was sent with was from God n cudnot be from anyone but God. There is lots of knowledge of sciences n universe that a man of arabia wudnot have no knowledge in his days.. specially a man who didnot know how to read o write its only a miracle to deliver such a mighty book that covers everything aspect of life. I recommend u read Quran to get a better understanding.

Q3) why should we pray? - why shud we NOT pray? prayer is a beautiful gift God gave to our prophet on a mighty day, Prophets last words b4 leaving this world was "salah salah salah...meaning prayer. It's main perpous is to help keep a believer on the right path. At 5 Diff timings of the day, person is to drop everything n communicate with his creator. Prayer also reminds a believer the perpous of life and also relaxes the body/mind/soul thru out the day. One feels relaxed n energized to go bout their day in strength. Numerous benefits of prayer i can go on n on..

Q4) Sleeping around w/ S__Ts is foolish cuz fornication/adultry is against commands. God has created a lawful partner for u that is ur wife with whom u can fulfill all ur desires, she certainly doesnot deserve to be betrayed for the time n energy she spends for ur comfort n pleasure.. Love is a gift from Allah, He has created love n affection between males n females so they can find comfort,peace, n tranquility in eachother...unfortunately ppl have become animals n lust after the FLESH/of a person rather than connect with their soul...

I dont feel i am a blind sheep cuz im convinced that there is a creator n I trust his judgement. Nothing can harm me or benefit me without Allah's will...

i hope u pick up a copy of quran n understand it, may Allah make path of understanding easy for u.

[TigerStyle786]

Yes...why do you think that they are inferior to us ?Human beings are animals after all.Animals are alive and they possess a soul,otherwise what separates a real dog from one of those cool robot dogs you can buy?Killing it for the sake of enjoying your meal is not a nice thing.



Humans fall into the Animal Kingdom according to biologists. if man was so intelligent then why is he so destructive ?Why doesn't he learn even after making mistakes throughout history ?Our ancestors(who were apes) were more intelligent than we are today.They evolved and they were the ones who built all these great civilizations and religions.Many different types of energy(like polarized light) exist in the environment, some of which humans cannot detect but even small ant can.Animals have developed amazing adaptations to their environments,humans can't adapt so they destroy.There are things which animal can't do human can and there are things which a human can't do and animal can.So no one is superior to the other.If you are claiming knowledge of the Vedas you surely know that Karma is two-sided. There is instant Karma, that which is dealt in this life; and soul Karma, that which attaches to the soul which remains perfectly detached from the body you occupy, to be dealt on the end of this life cycle to determine your next position until your soul collects enough Karma points to evolve to the next level of existence. You will come back as a pig, snake etc.The human form of life is where you have a chance to cultivate self-realization and attain nirvana...

Well i dont think animals r inferior since both Human n Animals r not granted same capabilities specially in terms of intellect...a muslim is not to kill an animal for joy of hunting but to slaughter an animal w/ keeping in mind its a bounty from Lord. When we slaughter an animal we say "allah akabar" n only then we can eat it, .. muslims cannot eat any meat in which Allah's name is not announced (bye bye McDonalds)...slaughtering animal without recognizing the bounty of Allah wud mean cruelty to the Animal, an animal loves to be sacrificed in the name of his creator points hadith... also the way halal/kosher slaughtering brings the LEAST pain to the animal, studies have shown that..

Human r not animals becuz they r gifted with a special thing called soul n spirit..if one doesnot connects his spirit with his creator, than ur right that human is like an animal who eats drinks n sleeps n wanders about on the land aimlessly..

WHy human is destructive? thats becuz human has gone astray from his origional path of connecting with God n insted chose to cling on to earthly material, this leads one to act in a way that he wants to dominate others n feel as if he is GOD n he runs things but thats not true cuz he cannot escape death..its certainly will take him n he will be brought b4 he creator...lot of buddhist teachings do agree with islam n reject materialism..

Q: if one reincarnates?why does the person comes back as something else?? u said all animals n humans r equal like bros n sistuz..why does human take the form of a snake? or spider in nex life u mentioned karma points yea? instinct tells me this is a DROP in the status for not having karma points therefore u become a lesser animal??

Q: So what do u get to become in next lifecycle if u get the 100 out of 100%? do u become a regular man once again? WHAT is the highlest LEVEL one can reach ? whot sort of animal or thing u become if u've bin a perfect being n wot about infants who die at birth who dont get the chance to earn Karma Points..what do they become?

[celio]

7 years, Muay Thai. I'd own you like a lil bitch :idea:

And re-read what I said, dumbfuck, cuz you clearly don't understand SHIT.

come to uk n fight ur daddy here!! 8 years ninjutsu, 4 years capoeira and thai boxing( part of GOLDEN TEAM - UK) come to papa!! u wont keep up wid ma speed!!! why do u think i combines capoeira wid thai boxing...coz of assholes like u!!.....just imagine i side flip really quickly and knee u on ur spine! and elbow ur skull! wud u find peace then! twat!

dude pork is haram! this is one of the reason;s its made haram..

pork meat cnt be cooked completely.....and pork meat contains some sorta worm tht wud remain in ur stomach for like yrs n yrs n die may be!

pig eatin its shit n being dirty thts totally different thing...and the only time muslims r allowed to eat pork is if ur lost in the jungle n u see a pig..u can kill it n eat it..n if u dnt eat the pig n decide to starve tht wud be considered haram!..starving urself is suicide!!

[ThomasMcCabe]

come to uk ..... suicide!!Point is that you did not get what he was saying the first time around. So apologise.

P.S. Chuck Norris loves you.

[*1001Nights*]

well pigs are haram bcuz thats wut it says in the Quran.....so yea :)

[crystalgems2]

"You are what you eat" - Native American proverb

Pig's bodies contain many toxins, worms and latent diseases.

Pigs like to scavenge and will eat any kind of food, including dead insects, worms, rotting carcasses, excreta (including their own), garbage, and other pigs.

which verse of koran (not hadis) say avoid PIG?????????

[*1001Nights*]

which verse of koran (not hadis) say avoid PIG?????????
2:173 in the Quran

[Space-Cowboy]

come to uk n fight ur daddy here!! 8 years ninjutsu, 4 years capoeira and thai boxing( part of GOLDEN TEAM - UK) come to papa!! u wont keep up wid ma speed!!! why do u think i combines capoeira wid thai boxing...coz of assholes like u!!.....just imagine i side flip really quickly and knee u on ur spine! and elbow ur skull! wud u find peace then! twat!

!!


You're a 5'7 little piece of shit...... I'd fucking own you..... The fact that you can't spell 'ninjitsu' correctly shows that you're lying. And no, you're not a part of any golden team you dipshit. I'd fucking have you crying for your mama, now run along little girl. :idea:

[celio]

You're a 5'7 little piece of shit...... I'd fucking own you..... The fact that you can't spell 'ninjitsu' correctly shows that you're lying. And no, you're not a part of any golden team you dipshit. I'd fucking have you crying for your mama, now run along little girl. :idea:


i dnt have to prove it to u! 7 yrs thai boxing ( which u trained) is tht the physqiue u got! looks like a fat pig! i come across fat pigs like u all the time under - estimating me....kid first lesson u need to knw! neva under estimate ur opponent...no matta his height or weight...u can still get fukd! ask the person who taught u thai boxing tht...n watch some more sky sports ho!!!u look like u hve got no life...more like a beggar!!u need some serious custom made shaving blades mate....who knws how long u hvnt shaved...ur facial hair must be hard as a rock!! lolz!!! dude!!

BACK TO THE TOPIC

pigs made haram, its made haram not becoz its dirty or something like tht...well thts one of the reason! i will find out about it...may be by tomorow i will post it here the actual reason so tht we can put an end to this stuff!! but yeh nother reason being...pig mean cnt be cooked COMPLETELY.PIG'S BLOOD HAS SIMILARITY WITH HUMAN BLOOD....i will find out more reasons n definitely post the real reason behind it... i knew the reason but i jus forgot!! but its not jus one reason.. i knw tht for sure...n yeh I WILL FIND OUT IF ITS SAID IN QURAN or not as well...ma mom;s a specialist! lolz

[Space-Cowboy]

i dnt have to prove it to u! 7 yrs thai boxing ( which u trained) is tht the physqiue u got! looks like a fat pig! i come across fat pigs like u all the time under - estimating me....kid first lesson u need to knw! neva under estimate ur opponent...no matta his height or weight...u can still get fukd! ask the person who taught u thai boxing tht...n watch some more sky sports ho!!!u look like u hve got no life...more like a beggar!!u need some serious custom made shaving blades mate....who knws how long u hvnt shaved...ur facial hair must be hard as a rock!! lolz!!! dude!!



Like I said, little bitch, I'd fucking own you,..... I've seen squirrels take bigger turds than you..... so shut up. You don't know ANYTHING :idea: And if anything, I'm giving you TOO much credit, there's no underestimation going on here. ....... hell, I'm sure my 10 year old little cousin sister could take you.


And yes, back to the topic, again, you don't know jack shit, shut up :idea:

[celio]

Like I said, little bitch, I'd fucking own you,..... I've seen squirrels take bigger turds than you..... so shut up. You don't know ANYTHING :idea: And if anything, I'm giving you TOO much credit, there's no underestimation going on here. ....... hell, I'm sure my 10 year old little cousin sister could take you.


And yes, back to the topic, again, you don't know jack shit, shut up :idea:

mate i m not a child molester like u! n dnt teach those young gals bullshit! fukin pervert!!

[Space-Cowboy]

mate i m not a child molester like u! n dnt teach those young gals bullshit! fukin pervert!!


No, you're just a fucking panzy,........ more importantly, you're an idiot, I doubt you've ever read a book in your life. And no, comic-books don't count. :idea:

[celio]

No, you're just a fucking panzy,........ more importantly, you're an idiot, I doubt you've ever read a book in your life. And no, comic-books don't count. :idea:


well yeh i was teaching ur gf chemistry n biology ealier today! she def knws tht i can read n ride!

[Space-Cowboy]

well yeh i was teaching ur gf chemistry n biology ealier today! she def knws tht i can read n ride!

Yea, I highly doubt that............... actually, I highly doubt that you even managed to pass Highschool....

[pimpkidman828]

We do not doubt for an instant that the pig is a dirty and filthy animal, and that eating it is harmful to man. Moreover it lives on dirt and filth, and it is something that is off-putting to those of a sound nature who refuse to touch it, because eating it is either a cause or a sign of a person’s oddness.

Secondly:

With regard to the physical harm caused by eating pork, modern science has proved a number of things, such as the following:

‎ Pork is regarded as one of the kinds of meat that contain the most cholesterol, an increase of which in the bloodstream leads to an increased likelihood of blocked arteries. The fatty acids in pork are also of an unusual formation, when compared with the fatty acids in other types of food, which makes them more easily absorbed by the body, thus increasing cholesterol levels.

‎ Pork meat and pork fat contribute to the spread of cancers of the colon, rectum, prostate and blood.

‎ Pork meat and pork fat contribute to obesity and related diseases that are difficult to treat.

‎ Eating pork leads to scabies, allergies and stomach ulcers.

‎ Eating pork causes lung infections which result from tapeworms, lungworms and microbial infections of the lungs.

The most serious danger of eating pork is that pork contains tapeworms which may grow to a length of 2-3 meters. The growth of the eggs of these worms in the human body may lead to insanity and hysteria if they grow in the area of the brain. If they grow in the region of the heart that may lead to high blood pressure and heart attacks. Another kind of worm that is to be found in pork is the trichinosis worm that cannot be killed by cooking, the growth of which in the body may lead to paralysis and skin rashes.

The doctors have confirmed that tapeworm disease is regarded as one of the serious diseases that may result from eating pork. It may develop in the small intestine and after several months may grow into a large worm whose body is composed of a thousand segments, with a length of 4-10 meters, which lives alone in the intestine of the infected person and part of it may appear when he defecates. When the pig swallows and ingests its eggs, they enter the tissues and muscles in the form of larvae sacs containing fluid and the head of the tapeworm. When a person eats infected pork, the larva turns into a complete worm in the intestine. These worms cause weakness and vitamin B12 deficiency, which leads to a specific type of anaemia, which may in turn cause nervous problems. In some cases the larvae may reach the brain, causing convulsions, increased pressure within the brain, epilepsy and even paralysis.

Eating pork that is not thoroughly cooked may also lead to trichinosis (infestation with a hairlike nematode worm). When these parasites reach the small intestine, three to five days later many larvae appear which enter the intestine and reach the blood, from which they reach most of the tissues of the body. The larvae move to the muscles and form cysts there, and the patient suffers intense muscle pains. The disease may develop into infection of the cerebral membrane and brain, and infections of the heart muscle, lungs, kidneys and nerves. It may be a fatal disease in rare cases.

It is well known that there are some diseases that are unique to humans and are nor shared with any other animals except pigs, such as rheumatism and joint pain. Allaah indeed spoke the truth when He said (interpretation of the meaning):

[Indian1986]

Well i dont think animals r inferior since both Human n Animals r not granted same capabilities specially in terms of intellect.

Yes tehy have different intellect but you have to remember that both humans and other animals have been created by the same god so in that sense they are brothers and sisters.If one of your brother or sister has lesser intellect it doesn't mean you consider him/her as something else.You both descended from the same parents after all.

Human r not animals becuz they r gifted with a special thing called soul n spirit..if one doesnot connects his spirit with his creator, than ur right that human is like an animal who eats drinks n sleeps n wanders about on the land aimlessly..

The soul is what drives the animals body when it is alive.When it dies it ceases to breathe and do other activities.Try to assemble all the dead body parts of an animal and see if it becomes alive suddenly, it won't...because the soul has left the animals dead body.





Q: if one reincarnates?why does the person comes back as something else?? u said all animals n humans r equal like bros n sistuz..why does human take the form of a snake? or spider in nex life u mentioned karma points yea? instinct tells me this is a DROP in the status for not having karma points therefore u become a lesser animal??

No it doesn't mean you become a lesser animal ...it only means that your chances of attaining moksha are reduced.As I said before human form of life is where you have the chance to cultivate the self realization and attain moksha(liberation from endless cycles of rebirth also called samsara).That's why human form of life is important.All souls are evolving and progressing towards union with God. When you gain karma points you move up the evolutionary scale until you obtain a human body.The human life is the principal karam bhoomi (action ground) where a person gets a chance to work for his/her moksha(freedom).Human life is important but it does not mean it is superior to an animal's life.Killing an animal for no reason like any other act of violence, stops a soul in its progress toward God. Bad actions cause us to be reborn to undergo pain and suffering.

Q: So what do u get to become in next lifecycle if u get the 100 out of 100%? do u become a regular man once again? WHAT is the highlest LEVEL one can reach ? whot sort of animal or thing u become if u've bin a perfect being n

When you get 100 out of 100 , you become free of karmic action and reaction.We live in an illusory world and fall into the trap of material desires which is called maya.All life forms on earth experience pain, pleasure, sorrow and happiness due to their bondage to Samsara(Cycle of rebirths).This state is called nirvana(ever lasting freedom) where you realize the true nature of god.Hindus(and buddhists/sikhs/jains also)must renounce all earthly attachments and strive to achieve liberation from rebirths and attain nirvana.


wot about infants who die at birth who dont get the chance to earn Karma Points..what do they become?

Misery or happiness of this life could be the result of the Karma of the previous life.I don't know what they become it all depends on their karma.But people who purposely abort their babies are actually commiting a sin.

[ignitedfury86]

pork, is not haram...no kuran written like that...
all this haramtalk is invention of haddis...
if pork is haram how come chicken not haram?...
both pig & chicken eat the same stuff....
many life saving drugs apparantly have pork extracts!!!!!!!!!

hahaha your fucking stupid.
Consuming Pig is forbidden because of the nature of the pig. First and foremost, it is a very filthy animal. Rolls around in its own shit and has an occasional munch on it. Second, the pig was deemed immoral.

name one life saving drug with pork extracts...

and wtf does the diet of a chicken and a pig have to do with anything? :gtfo:

[shuggy]

O_o why? :think:
Because it havent got a neck!

[TigerStyle786]

Yes tehy have different intellect but you have to remember that both humans and other animals have been created by the same god so in that sense they are brothers and sisters.If one of your brother or sister has lesser intellect it doesn't mean you consider him/her as something else.You both descended from the same parents after all.



The soul is what drives the animals body when it is alive.When it dies it ceases to breathe and do other activities.Try to assemble all the dead body parts of an animal and see if it becomes alive suddenly, it won't...because the soul has left the animals dead body.





No it doesn't mean you become a lesser animal ...it only means that your chances of attaining moksha are reduced.As I said before human form of life is where you have the chance to cultivate the self realization and attain moksha(liberation from endless cycles of rebirth also called samsara).That's why human form of life is important.All souls are evolving and progressing towards union with God. When you gain karma points you move up the evolutionary scale until you obtain a human body.The human life is the principal karam bhoomi (action ground) where a person gets a chance to work for his/her moksha(freedom).Human life is important but it does not mean it is superior to an animal's life.Killing an animal for no reason like any other act of violence, stops a soul in its progress toward God. Bad actions cause us to be reborn to undergo pain and suffering.



When you get 100 out of 100 , you become free of karmic action and reaction.We live in an illusory world and fall into the trap of material desires which is called maya.All life forms on earth experience pain, pleasure, sorrow and happiness due to their bondage to Samsara(Cycle of rebirths).This state is called nirvana(ever lasting freedom) where you realize the true nature of god.Hindus(and buddhists/sikhs/jains also)must renounce all earthly attachments and strive to achieve liberation from rebirths and attain nirvana.



Misery or happiness of this life could be the result of the Karma of the previous life.I don't know what they become it all depends on their karma.But people who purposely abort their babies are actually commiting a sin.

An interesting post,respect. So its Nirvana the thing u lookin fo where u become union with God, thats like heaven for abrahamic faiths..which i find interesting cuz seems like everyone has desire to be with God..

SO ppl will have cycle of births? fo-eva? i herd it was only 7 cycles in hinduism..so in order to reach NIRVANA u gotta be PERFECT? how does one reach nirvana?

and also whats up with the CASTE system? if a person born in brahman he's brahaman n he gets all the SPECIAL treatment....why is that?? n then there is anothe caste the "untouchables" who r not even allowed to hear hindu scriptures..or if they hear it, their ears r to be burned with hot coals.....i think thats unfair n all ppl r equal in eyes of Lord..

n also there is 1 GOD? i understand hindus keep various idols to concentrate...but is there relly 1 God? then y hindus set up small dieties and call on them for "HELP" like kaali maa shakti dey etc etc hehe...shudnt u be asking the GOD himself directly.. n u and i know, God can hear us without a need of a statue of him..


cuz an indian islamic scholar i duno if u herd of him, he goes by the name of ZAKIR NAIK, quotes hindu scriptures in which it states "thou shall worship any GOds except God, he is 1 an only.. and thou shall not make an images of God"... what do u think of that?? cuz in Quran it states, god sent a messenger to every "NATION" or civilization, who recited msg of god..but later generation ppl deviated from the real teachings n innovated the 1 true religion of God...i mean thats wot i notice in hinduism in light of the VERSES dr. zakir naik quoted..

btw how did hindus get their scripture? was there like prophets or sumthin? o wot?


also anotha thing u mentioned moksha (freedom) one gets.. is relative to islamic belief that "for a true believe" life on earth is a JAIL...n wen he dies he becomes free fom thut jail..



Interesting u mention animals as ur bros n sis.. hehe, i mean thought juz poped in my mind, what wud u do in a situation where a Lion or a Snake is coming towards u in an unbrotherly fashion? wud u not hurt him?

also interesting is there is otha animulz out there who eat otha animals, i mean whats the deal? are they not aware of hinduism?? or r they hindus but just chosing to disbelieve n eat like any other MODERN hindu?? cuz it seems every Lion is a meat eater..so why r there animals that eat otha animals if it is wrong?

last point u mention there r life cycles of a person until he becomes perfect n earns nirvana..well lets c..i think, the reason why a person sins mainly is cuz he' has a level of doubt in whether God exists, i mean there can always be 1% of doubt of his existence in ppl's mind,cuz if they relly did SEE GOD in person! they wud not dare to sin again cuz they know God is true n therefore his promise of Heven/HELL is true or another low life cycle from ur perspective...

so im sayin if a person dies n he comes in anotha life form yea? doesn't he atomatically find out that GOD EXISTS FOR SURE.. cuz he's came in 2nd life form n by this time MUST REALIZE FORE SURE God exists n things happened as promised therefore he wud strive to reach nirvana within 2nd life cycle with 100% effort n make no sins.... cuz for muslim perspective, we only get 1 life cycle.. n it says in quran wen death angel reaches a person he asks for "ANOTHER LIFE CYCLE" so he may do good n etc etc..cuz @ that time he SEES ANGEL.. a thing which god promised he wud see @ deth. n makes him 100% sure God exists n the facts he' didnot earn enuff "good deeds or karma points" he wants to go back n earn it.

so, i think there cant be a reincarnation in light of this view...cuz it wudnt make sense to repeat mistakes over n over again despite knowing 100% that god word was TRUE n that there is a thing called NIRVANA or HEAVEN n the doubts we sometimes all have whether God exists or not.. what do u think?

rZpeCt

[Indian1986]

SO ppl will have cycle of births? fo-eva? i herd it was only 7 cycles in

hinduism..so in order to reach NIRVANA u gotta be PERFECT? how does one reach nirvana?

The word samsara itself means endless cycles of rebirth.I don't know who told you about 7 cycles.Nirvana is attained through extinction of desire ,ignorance and several other things that plague human kind like craving,birth, death, greed, hate, delusion etc. In hindu traditions it can be achieved by moral discipline and the practice of yoga.


and also whats up with the CASTE system? if a person born in brahman he's brahaman n he gets all

the SPECIAL treatment....why is that?? n then there is anothe caste the "untouchables" who r not

even allowed to hear hindu scriptures..or if they hear it, their ears r to be burned with hot

coals.....i think thats unfair n all ppl r equal in eyes of Lord..

Caste system was only meant to describe how people fit into various jobs.The caste system as it exists was not the intention of the caste system.In ancient Hindu society there were 4 social classes - Intellectuals, Administrators/Warriors, Merchants, Labourers.A person was not born into a caste but he was allocated a caste depending upon his merit or qualities (guna). Even in modern industries, there are categories of labor. This is for the purpose of better Quality Assurance. Caste system is based upon the individual person's performance skills, abilities and choice based selections of jobs only. They exist in all societies. During rig Vedic age people were allowed to even change their castes i.e. son of Sudra could get education and change his caste to Brahmin(Intellectual).Caste is not supposed to be anyone's brith right. The discrimination on the basis of caste was indoctrinated during brahminical era. During this era Brahmins assumed superiority over the entire Hindu society and it was easy for them to manipulate texts into their own favor as they were educated in Sanskrit. They started prohibiting other castes from writing, reading and interpreting the Hindu texts. This is very similar to how some imams assume control over entire Islamic society to suit their own needs or how catholic saints manipulated the scriptures of St.Thomas.I will quote from some important Hindu scriptures to prove that Hinduism does not sanction this kind of racism.

The otehr things you mentioned like pouring molten iron into someone's ears is mentioned in manusmriti.But remmeber that brahmins created it for the sole purpose of establishing their supremacy.It is not of divine origin and most hindus consider it to be a stupid scripture.It is mroe of a social aspect than religious aspect....hinduism demands that people follow the shruti(Dharma) not smriti becuase it is of human origin and thus corrupt.It is the same thing as some illiterate idio compiling his own book m giving it some cool name and then proclaming that it is of divine origin.


Vide Mantra numbered 5-60-5 in Rig Veda says , “All men are brothers; no one is big, no one is small. All are equal.”

Mantra numbered 16.15 in Yajur Veda reiterates that all men are brothers; no one is superior or inferior.

Mantra numbered 10-191-2 in Rig Veda calls upon humanity to be united to have a common speech and a common mind.

Mantra numbered 3-30-1 in Atharva Veda enjoins upon all humans to be affectionate and to love one another as the cow loves her newly-born calf.


Mantra numbered 3-30-6 in Atharva Veda commands humankind to dine together, and be as firmly united as the spokes attached to the hub of a chariot wheel.

In bhagvad gita :

In shloka numbered V (29), Lord declares that He is the friend of all creatures (suhridam sarva bhutanam) whereas shloka numbered IX (29) reiterates that the Lord has the same affection for all creatures, and whosoever remembers the Lord, resides in the Lord, and the Lord resides in him.

Shloka numbered XVIII (61) declares that God resides in every heart of every being (ishwar sarva bhutanam hrudyeshe Arjun tishthti).

As per shloka numbered IV (13) of the Bhagavad Gita, depending upon a person’s guna (aptitude) and karma (actions), there are four varnas. As per this shloka, a person’s varna is determined by his guna and karma, and not by his birth.




n also there is 1 GOD? i understand hindus keep various idols to

concentrate...but is there relly 1 God? then y hindus set up small dieties and call on them for

"HELP" like kaali maa shakti dey etc etc hehe...shudnt u be asking the GOD himself directly.. n u

and i know, God can hear us without a need of a statue of him..

Kaali maa shakti dey is a dialoge from some bollywood movie...i mean they even show muslims crying "Ya ali madad".Movies do not represent the truth about a religion.
Actually there is only one supreme god in hinduism.There are 33 devas(Vayu,Mithra,Aditya,Agni ,Indra etc) in hinduism(AS per Vedic texts) and often these devas are confused by people as "gods and godesses" giving an impression that hinduism is a polytheistic faith.Devas are not god but they are celestial beings who are subordinates of god that control forces of nature such as fire, air, wind,some devas also govern the functioning of the cosmos,creation,evolution,destruction and fighting demonic asuras.The devas are functionally equivalent of angels or demi gods who serve God in abrahimic religions.These devas represent the forces of nature and some represent moral values.The one true God(the Supreme Spirit) is the ultimate reality and controller of all.There is evidence in hindu scriptures to prove that devas are subordinates fo god and not god themselves.



Gita states: "O Arjuna, even those devotees who worship other lesser deities (e.g., Devas, for example) with faith, they also worship Me, but in an improper way because I am the Supreme Being. I alone am the enjoyer of all sacrificial services (Seva, Yajna) and Lord of the universe."

(Gita: 9:23)

"Great indeed are the devas who have sprung out of god." — Atharva Veda

Lord says, "Men in this world desire success in fruitive activities, and therefore they worship the demigods." (Gita: 4:12)

^The above verse indirectly states that worship of demigods inappropriate because it is materially motivated.

I will quote from some other prominent hindu texts to prove that hinduism believes in 1 god and it does not support idol worship either.


Yajur Veda 3:32: "...Of that God you cannot make any images."

Yajur Veda 32:3: "God is formless and bodiless"


Ekam evadvitiyam"
"He is One only without a second."
[Chandogya Upanishad 6:2:1]1


"Na casya kascij janita na cadhipah."
"Of Him there are neither parents nor lord."
[Svetasvatara Upanishad 6:9]2


"Na tasya pratima asti"
"There is no likeness of Him."
[Svetasvatara Upanishad 4:19]3


cuz an indian islamic scholar i duno if u herd of him, he goes by the name

of ZAKIR NAIK, quotes hindu scriptures in which it states "thou shall worship any GOds except

God, he is 1 an only.. and thou shall not make an images of God"... what do u think of that?? cuz

in Quran it states, god sent a messenger to every "NATION" or civilization, who recited msg of

god..but later generation ppl deviated from the real teachings n innovated the 1 true religion of

God...i mean thats wot i notice in hinduism in light of the VERSES dr. zakir naik

quoted..

I have heard of zakir naik.I don't agree with him but I think he's a very well-informed, educated guy and also a good speaker.

btw how did hindus get their scripture? was there like prophets or sumthin?

o wot?

The mantras of Vedas were revealed to different Rishis at different points of time were collected & compiled into four parts (Rig, Yajur, Sama & Atharva).



Interesting u mention animals as ur bros n sis.. hehe, i mean thought juz

poped in my mind, what wud u do in a situation where a Lion or a Snake is coming towards u in an

unbrotherly fashion? wud u not hurt him?


According to the bhagvad gita it is the duty of every individual to protect himself.It does not support weakness and helplesness in the face of evil.


also interesting is there is otha animulz out there who eat otha animals, i

mean whats the deal? are they not aware of hinduism?? or r they hindus but just chosing to

disbelieve n eat like any other MODERN hindu?? cuz it seems every Lion is a meat eater..so why r

there animals that eat otha animals if it is wrong?

It is wrong and this happens partly because people do not bother to read what is written in their holy books.Im sure many muslims break the rules and deviate from islam.

[Indian1986]

last point u mention there r life cycles of a person until he becomes

perfect n earns nirvana..well lets c..i think, the reason why a person sins mainly is cuz he' has

a level of doubt in whether God exists, i mean there can always be 1% of doubt of his existence

in ppl's mind,cuz if they relly did SEE GOD in person! they wud not dare to sin again cuz they

know God is true n therefore his promise of Heven/HELL is true or another low life cycle from ur

perspective...so im sayin if a person dies n he comes in anotha life form yea? doesn't he

atomatically find out that GOD EXISTS FOR SURE.. cuz he's came in 2nd life form n by this time

MUST REALIZE FORE SURE God exists n things happened as promised therefore he wud strive to reach

nirvana within 2nd life cycle with 100% effort n make no sins.... cuz for muslim perspective, we

only get 1 life cycle.. n it says in quran wen death angel reaches a person he asks for "ANOTHER

LIFE CYCLE" so he may do good n etc etc..cuz @ that time he SEES ANGEL.. a thing which god

promised he wud see @ deth. n makes him 100% sure God exists n the facts he' didnot earn enuff

"good deeds or karma points" he wants to go back n earn it.
so, i think there cant be a reincarnation in light of this view...cuz it

wudnt make sense to repeat mistakes over n over again despite knowing 100% that god word was TRUE

n that there is a thing called NIRVANA or HEAVEN n the doubts we sometimes all have whether God

exists or not.. what do u think?

rZpeCt


How would a person know about something that happened in pastlife ?A snail would not know what wrong things he did and what he was in past life.Also remember that nirvana can be reached only in human life form for the reasons i mentioned before.If you have done something bad you have to repent for it ,there's no shortcut or escape.Animals develop bad qualities like anger, passion, envy, jealousy, etc and it is very difficult for them to get rid of it but humans can do it.

[crystalgems2]

"You are what you eat" - Native American proverb

Pig's bodies contain many toxins, worms and latent diseases.

Pigs like to scavenge and will eat any kind of food, including dead insects, worms, rotting carcasses, excreta (including their own), garbage, and other pigs.

Chinese eat dogs :D ........proverb can b applied?

in which verse koran says to avoid PIGs?

[khanbaba_]

Forbidden to you are Maytah (carrion), flowing blood, the flesh of swine
and that slaughtered for other than Allah as well as the (animal) expiring
by strangulation, illness or pain, falling (from a height), by a wound
(sustained through fighting) and by falling to a predator....(Maaidah 3)

[Space-Cowboy]

Not to interrupt, cuz btw, I don't eat pork OR beef.... but.... you DO realize that at least here in North America, much of the processed meat... like say Black Forest Ham or say Roast Beef [you can get it at your local grocery store deli], is processed with chemical additives to prevent/kill any remaining natural diseases.


As a general rule, pork contains way too much fat, it's not a good idea to eat it.

[TigerStyle786]

How would a person know about something that happened in pastlife ?A snail would not know what wrong things he did and what he was in past life.Also remember that nirvana can be reached only in human life form for the reasons i mentioned before.If you have done something bad you have to repent for it ,there's no shortcut or escape.Animals develop bad qualities like anger, passion, envy, jealousy, etc and it is very difficult for them to get rid of it but humans can do it.


ahh ok, so people dont know what they done wrong in PAST LIFE right?, then how will they know what to repent for in NEW lifecycle, since u cant rememba ur past life cycle events...

also, Nirvana can only b reached in human lifecycle. So lets suppose u become a snake, how does a snake repent, i mean snake cant even read or write??.. so how can they become a human once again in order to try to get a shot @ Nirvana

i mean lets face it, snakes CANNOT live without eating otha animals can they?? its their natural FOOD.. how can they "AVOID" eating otha animals, it will just mean commiting suicide.. i dun't think snakes eat grass or sum otha things... So if u become a snake or any otha animal that is a carnivor ur pretty much STUCK in ur life cycle n cant get out of it, can u?? this tells me sumthin is wrong with this equation man... w0t do u think?

n also the 33 devas, so u agree ppl shudnot be worshiping them cuz apparently almost every hindu i can think of have these Devas for pooja paaat etc, i guess they r screwed for their next lifecycle cuz worshippin God's servants insted of God... devas is like angels interesting cuz in islam there r 4 angels... 1) angel of deth 2) angel of revealing divine scripture on prophets 3) angel of food n sustainance for inhabitants of earth 4)angel that will blow the trumpet for world to end n 2nd trumpet blown for establishing judgement day, where all dead rise from their graves n account for their actions in life..


n btw r the images of devas in true form? or ppl juz made em up aswell?
...like 6 hands n etc etc its odd they chose animal figuz

btw wot is Rishis? is that a prophet like person? how do they get this scripture is it dictated from GOD direct to mAN? or thru angel ...

n also wot is the Autaaar' thing, where god came no earth as a human or sumthin?? is that relly true? what did god come on earth fo? n where does God relly live?

o and muslims imams have no authority to change word of god at all, cant add/delete anythin. Imam is just a guy who leads a prayer in mosque n after prayer is over he's just a commoner thats highly respected in community for devoting his life for godly perpous..

howeva in catholicism,the church have been able to manipulate n grant godly powers to their priests like that can forgive sins etc etc...

interesting u talked about brahmans changin scriptures in their favor... thats exactly wot we view of jews/chrisitans who change the scripture of god in order to reject commands/laws of lord to benefit themselves in worldly life...

In Quran, God says i sent a messenger to every reciting them the verses to worship him n not enjoin any partnaz with him n do good n all 9 yard, which means the folks in ancient india must have recieved a messenger aswell n thats y we notice these similarities between hinduism n islam in my view, but as u said ppl started to change the religion by making dieties... wot do u think? dont we all have the SAME GOD? Islam invites all religions to unite n worship the one true God n not make partners with him.. i notice ur an Hindu that actually keepin the real teaching of ur texts n in a way ur ALmost a MUSLIM except u have some FALSE teachings in ur beliefs which against might have developed later on just as brahamans changed the texts in their favor..dont b offended, thats juz my take on it.. im sure u disagree.. i mean if u really think about it there is lots of things in this reincarnation thing which seem a bit dodgy which i m tryna get things clear....

thx ur posts been v. informative

[Indian1986]

ahh ok, so people dont know what they done wrong in PAST LIFE right?, then how will they know what to repent for in NEW lifecycle, since u cant rememba ur past life cycle events...

also, Nirvana can only b reached in human lifecycle. So lets suppose u become a snake, how does a snake repent, i mean snake cant even read or write??.. so how can they become a human once again in order to try to get a shot @ Nirvana

i mean lets face it, snakes CANNOT live without eating otha animals can they?? its their natural FOOD.. how can they "AVOID" eating otha animals, it will just mean commiting suicide.. i dun't think snakes eat grass or sum otha things... So if u become a snake or any otha animal that is a carnivor ur pretty much STUCK in ur life cycle n cant get out of it, can u?? this tells me sumthin is wrong with this equation man... w0t do u think?



Snake repents becuase it's born as an animal.They have to live out their bad karma.Being born into the animal realm, according to the hindu texts, is a result of the fruiting of negative karma and it's a very painful experience. The animal state is often marked by confusion and fear of being attacked from otehr predators. When the negative karma is burned off, you're reborn into a more fortunate realm where you can strive for nirvana, such as human.It's true that carnivourous animals depend on other animals for their food.Vedas say, jivo jivasya jivanam: one living entity is food for enother in the struggle for existence.The problem is not how to avoid killing altogether but how to cause the least suffering to other creatures and cause least suffering while meeting all the nutritional needs of the body.A human being does not need to consume animals for his survival , some people eat meat only for the enjoying the sake of their meal and the taste.I don't think that a carnivore eating another animal is generating negative karma, simply because the animal has no choice in the matter.Lions, for example, are natural carnivores...how can they change themselves all of a sudden...this is the only possible way to survive.Carnivores remove the sick and those that are not quite right, preventing general illness, genetic defects and over-population ,so in a way they get positive karma by serving the world.With a snake you know what to expect. A snake only kills for food or protection. Humans kill without reason.

Bhagavad-gita states "Those who kill animals and give them unnecessary pain—as people do slaughterhouses—will be killed in the same way in the next life and in many lives to come... "

It also states "people who prepare food for personal sense enjoyment, eat only sin."

There is a difference between eating something for personal enjoyment and eating stuff to meat to your nutritional requirements.Although hinduism does not prohibit a person to starve to death incase there is no other alternative.This is evident from above verses.


n btw r the images of devas in true form? or ppl juz made em up aswell?
...like 6 hands n etc etc its odd they chose animal figuz

They are celestial beings , how can one determine their true and exact form.Western scholars,Hindus and missionaries took things literally and superficially.They did not understand it in a spiritual sense.Some devas are powerful and Vedic Devas like Agni are described in rigveda as formless(Arupa) and yet people make images with agni having two heads.Yama, the deva of death, has been depicted as having green color in some images.It doesnt mean he actually has green color.Vedic texts assigned different colors relative to the qualities of various devas.A color symoblizes the quality of a deva and not the skin color.Similarly nowhere in hindu texts it is mentioned that devas have many hands.I think the reason why some people animated them in this manner is because of the powerful nature of devas.

According to historians, the earliest vedics did not worship idols.The practice came into existence probably during the later vedic phase when many new tribes(many which settled in india) were incorporated into the hindu society.Hindus became more ignorant when they were denied the right to read the scripture by the brahmins.This idol worship thing about hinduism is often blown out of context.People should remember that the ultimate reality(God) as described in hinduism is beyond the senses, beyond the known field of illusion or maya.People who worship idols are influenced by maya because they can't see the true knowledge.A true hindu is only concerned with nirvana and nothing else.You don't need any idol to help you in this.Worshipping idols is considered to be a lower form of worship and it only degrades your spirituality.


btw wot is Rishis? is that a prophet like person? how do they get this scripture is it dictated from GOD direct to mAN? or thru angel ...


Rishi is someone who heard the vedic hymns(while in deep meditation) as dictated by the devas, compiled them and wrote it down .Kutsa, Atri,Agastya, Kushika, Vasishtha, Vyashva are some of the important rishis.



n also wot is the Autaaar' thing, where god came no earth as a human or sumthin?? is that relly true? what did god come on earth fo? n where does God relly live?

Avatar is bodily manifestation of god onto planet earth periodically for the establishment and protection of righteousness whenever there is a decline of Dharma(Religion) and the rise of Adharma(Evil) for transforming the wicked, and for establishing Dharma, the world order.... .The same way christians believe jesus is man-god.Hindus do not believe the actual god has human form or any other form. God is nameless, formless and timeless.He is Nirguna i.e. God without attributes in the true sense but it is possible for him to have human like attributes(Saguna) because he is so powerful that he do anything.But I am not really sure about this because some hindus believe that it's the devas who take human form and not the supreme cosmic spirit(God) himself.


o and muslims imams have no authority to change word of god at all, cant add/delete anythin. Imam is just a guy who leads a prayer in mosque n after prayer is over he's just a commoner thats highly respected in community for devoting his life for godly perpous..

no i dont mean they add/delete anything but dont they interpret things in their own way ??...they also urge others to follow what they think...atleast thats what i have seen here in india...

howeva in catholicism,the church have been able to manipulate n grant godly powers to their priests like that can forgive sins etc etc...

Catholic priests also deleted the portions of bible which supported the reincarnation theory.
Infact jesus himself talked about reincarnation.



In Quran, God says i sent a messenger to every reciting them the verses to worship him n not enjoin any partnaz with him n do good n all 9 yard, which means the folks in ancient india must have recieved a messenger aswell n thats y we notice these similarities between hinduism n islam in my view, but as u said ppl started to change the religion by making dieties... wot do u think? dont we all have the SAME GOD? Islam invites all religions to unite n worship the one true God n not make partners with him.. i notice ur an Hindu that actually keepin the real teaching of ur texts n in a way ur ALmost a MUSLIM except u have some FALSE teachings in ur beliefs which against might have developed later on just as brahamans changed the texts in their favor..dont b offended, thats juz my take on it.. im sure u disagree.. i mean if u really think about it there is lots of things in this reincarnation thing which seem a bit dodgy which i m tryna get things clear....

thx ur posts been v. informative


I don't believe in right or wrong.Everybody's belief system is right for them. Mine is right for me, yours is right for you.
As far as reincarnation is concerned many muslim sufi saints like Mansur al-Hallaj and alal-ud-Deen Rumi believed in it.This is what i found in quran:

"And you were dead, and He brought you back to life. And He shall cause you to die, and shall bring you back to life, and in the end shall gather you unto Himself." (2:28)

^Very similar to the concept of nirvana .The words "you were dead" can only mean that the creature had lived before becoming dead.This happened many times in several cycles until it's soul finally united with god which is clear in the words "in the end shall gather you unto Himself"...it could very well mean the attainment of moksha (release).
Im not concluding upon anything but you can interpret things in a different manner and it may sound like truth.

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^^^....Indian 1986 is one smart kid...and i agree with you completely...and yes, Yeshua (jesus) did speak of Reincarnation, that seems to be the impression i got when he referred to the prophet Elijah...the bloody Catholic church destroyed soooooo much precious literature, and i hate them for that, who knows how fulfilling Jesus' teachings may have been given that we knew more...i also believe that Jesus lived in India for a period of time and learned, debated and taught with and amongst hindu sages and buddhist monks...

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..i also believe that Jesus lived in India for a period of time and learned, debated and taught with and amongst hindu sages and buddhist monks...

i believe!

http://claudia.weblog.com.pt/arquivo/Jesus%20In%20India.jpg

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[Indian1986]

^^^....Indian 1986 is one smart kid...and i agree with you completely...and yes, Yeshua (jesus) did speak of Reincarnation, that seems to be the impression i got when he referred to the prophet Elijah...the bloody Catholic church destroyed soooooo much precious literature, and i hate them for that, who knows how fulfilling Jesus' teachings may have been given that we knew more...i also believe that Jesus lived in India for a period of time and learned, debated and taught with and amongst hindu sages and buddhist monks...

In the New Testerment we hear of Jesus at the age of twelve.....then......nothing, untill the age of thirty.He was obviously somewhere for 18yrs but my guess is no matter where he was there will always be narrow-minded people who will never believe anything outside of their scope.
He was in india for many years before he appeared in Jerusalem.Many parellels can be drawn between jesus teaching and teachings of indian seers.Jesus behaved in a new way (owing to his interaction with other people)which was not known to the Jewish community. There was nothing wrong in it, but this became the problem. Jews couldn't trust him and hence they killed him. check out

http://reluctant-messenger.com/aquarian_gospel.htm

The whole story of Jesus is in the book Aquarian Gospel wich can be read chapter by chapter from the left-hand margin.

He also went to Tibet, Greece, Persia, Assyria and he met with the magi who visited him as a babe in Nazereth.

[jumpn jza]

^^..thanx brutha...ill check it out.