Islam Spread By Sword ???

[Mr_MaSaLa]

HERE IS A PRETTY WELL COMPOSED ANSWER FOR THAT I THINK ...


Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zice-KGfiQ

[Mr_MaSaLa]

iz da vdo 2 long? :sarb:

[Mr_MaSaLa]

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[asian_guy_786]

stupid noobhead

ban

[Mr_MaSaLa]

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[Mr_MaSaLa]

stupid noobhead

ban


fuck is up ur cunt? :neutral:

[dandiwal_jatt]

yes and no

same for christianity, yes and no

[Mr_MaSaLa]

yes and no

same for christianity, yes and no

it NO .... i know itz YES/YES/YES/NO for christianity but NO for islam

[Mr_MaSaLa]

it NO .... i know itz YES/YES/YES/NO for christianity but NO for islam


not attacking the religion but itz a fact that even the christians know ...

[imhotep]

This video is B.S., he doesn't adress anything that muslims did specificaly. He just goes on babbling about police. The fact is that the muslim caliphs were engaged in wars of conquest to spread their authority (which included the institutions and traditions of the Islamic faith) over the "dar al harb" and the people whom they deemed to be "kaffirs". The conquests of the Byzantine Empire (everything from Egypt to Turkey), North Africa, Sassanid Persia, Iberia, and the Hind were defensive and they all served to spread islam by the sword (not saying that everyone was forcefully converted in those lands but that islams dominion and influence in those lands was established through millitary conquest).

[dandiwal_jatt]

it NO .... i know itz YES/YES/YES/NO for christianity but NO for islam
nope
its yes and no


but anyway
i don't feel like getting into a debate

[King786]

nope
its yes and no


but anyway
i don't feel like getting into a debate

nope your wrong, islam wasn't spread by the sword get over it kid.

[WildWolfdog]

This video is B.S., he doesn't adress anything that muslims did specificaly. He just goes on babbling about police. The fact is that the muslim caliphs were engaged in wars of conquest to spread their authority (which included the institutions and traditions of the Islamic faith) over the "dar al harb" and the people whom they deemed to be "kaffirs". The conquests of the Byzantine Empire (everything from Egypt to Turkey), North Africa, Sassanid Persia, Iberia, and the Hind were defensive and they all served to spread islam by the sword (not saying that everyone was forcefully converted in those lands but that islams dominion and influence in those lands was established through millitary conquest).

How the hell esle do you gain dominion over other lands? Bring them flowers and hope they'll let you become their leaders?

And listen to what he says in the rest of the clip before dismissing it as BS. The police bit was not even 30 seconds long.

[dandiwal_jatt]

nope your wrong, islam wasn't spread by the sword get over it kid.
i never said it was
that's why i said yes and no



anyway
u guys are right
keep debating

[El-diablo]

you can occupy ..conquer a country thru SWORD..but not force a relegion.

yes countries were conquered thru outstanding Muslim General Khalid

Khalid ibn Waleed (584 - 642) (Arabic: خالد بن الوليد), a.k.a Sayf-Allāh(Sword of God) was a Muslim Arabian soldier and general, during the Islamic conquests of the 7th Century.

that was the period ,where nations expanded ,civilisations rejuvenated by new cultures and ideology.

AGE OF EMPIRES.


So Arabia did what Spaniards did, Vikings did Saxons did Romans did!! :rolleyes:


now about forcing relegion onto them is somewhat rubbish. It CLEARLY STATED in KORAN..you simply cannot force anyone to accept ISLAM. It will never be granted by ALLAH!


the art of diplomacy were the WORDs itself. Ppl read and understood ISLAM ito be "a way of life". the conversion came naturally.



but the atrocities commited by random rulers on random subjects dont clarify the Quote as "Islam spread by Sword"!!

[imhotep]

How the hell esle do you gain dominion over other lands? Bring them flowers and hope they'll let you become their leaders?

So you are saying that those various islamic caliphs were justified in conquering peacefull nations and peoples, putting whole cities to the sword, tearing down Hindu, Zoroastrian and Bhudist temples and turning churches and synagogues into masjids when those people did absolutely nothing to them? Just because those countries happened to be non-muslims they were deemed to be "Kaffirs" of the "Dar Al-Harb" by those millitant islamic rulers? I hope you feel good about what Bush and Israel are doing in the middle east now because it differs very little from the way in which the early muslims of the Arabian desert conquered the middle east.

And listen to what he says in the rest of the clip before dismissing it as BS. The police bit was not even 30 seconds long.

The fact that he would use such a juvenile tactic to defend islamic conquest negates anything else that he would care to say.

[...Hero...]

That guy needs to eat more food.

[imhotep]

you can occupy ..conquer a country thru SWORD..but not force a relegion.

yes countries were conquered thru outstanding Muslim General Khalid

Khalid ibn Waleed (584 - 642) (Arabic: خالد بن الوليد), a.k.a Sayf-Allāh(Sword of God) was a Muslim Arabian soldier and general, during the Islamic conquests of the 7th Century.

that was the period ,where nations expanded ,civilisations rejuvenated by new cultures and ideology.

AGE OF EMPIRES.


So Arabia did what Spaniards did, Vikings did Saxons did Romans did!! :rolleyes:


now about forcing relegion onto them is somewhat rubbish. It CLEARLY STATED in KORAN..you simply cannot force anyone to accept ISLAM. It will never be granted by ALLAH!


the art of diplomacy were the WORDs itself. Ppl read and understood ISLAM ito be "a way of life". the conversion came naturally.



but the atrocities commited by random rulers on random subjects dont clarify the Quote as "Islam spread by Sword"!!

If you are saying that no muslim rulers compelled the people they conquered to accept islam, you are a fool. History chronicles many instances of forced conversions of tens of thousands of enslaved captives in the Islamic conquests of Sassanid Persia and India.

[21cent]

omg yay another religion thread :neutral:

[notoriou$punjabi]

I agreed with the guy 100 % till the last sentence " Its already been dropped..." .
Did he not contradict his own speech?

[King786]

If you are saying that no muslim rulers compelled the people they conquered to accept islam, you are a fool. History chronicles many instances of forced conversions of tens of thousands of enslaved captives in the Islamic conquests of Sassanid Persia and India.
^^
another muslim hater

[notoriou$punjabi]

^^
another muslim hater
can't digest it huh

[imhotep]

^^
another muslim hater

so anyone who talks about the misdeeds of muslims is a muslim hater? Ok Mr. Al-Zawahiri :no:.

[El-diablo]

If you are saying that no muslim rulers compelled the people they conquered to accept islam, you are a fool. History chronicles many instances of forced conversions of tens of thousands of enslaved captives in the Islamic conquests of Sassanid Persia and India.


i think u havent read my last few lines

READ IT

then we shall engage in a conversation

kthnxbye

[imhotep]

i think u havent read my last few lines

READ IT

then we shall engage in a conversation

kthnxbye

You're right and wrong in those last few lines. to call them "random rulers" minimizes what they did and is disrespectful to the people who died in those attrocities which were committed for the sake of expanding "dar Al-Islam" at the expense of the so called "kaffirs" living in what the muslim rulers considered to be "dar Al-Harb".

[mr ajnabi]

Islam is like a dove ' spreading love peace and hoy .

The swords they used to defend Islam and please no 1 mention forced conversion or reverts . Islam can touch your heart ' soul and mind and bring you the truth !

:grouphug:

[ThomasMcCabe]

Question is, so what if Islam was spread by the sword? Lots of religions were spread by the sword in varying degrees. All people have to make sure is that Islam should not be spread by the sword now. Thats all. Damn!

[ThomasMcCabe]

You're right and wrong in those last few lines. to call them "random rulers" minimizes what they did and is disrespectful to the people who died in those attrocities which were committed for the sake of expanding "dar Al-Islam" at the expense of the so called "kaffirs" living in what the muslim rulers considered to be "dar Al-Harb".
Everyone has done it. Maybe Muslims did it more? So what? Can you build a time machine and go and change things? If you could do so. If you cant then lets just ignore this. The person who started this thread is obviously pumped up by some religious sermon. Why do you have to get worked up on that?

[mezaros]

The only place Islam was slaughtered onto the people and has a really violent history was in India, lots of kings from central asia destroyed hindu temples and forced conversions.

Its so funny Pakis name thier missles after people who beat the crap out of thier ganges bathing ancestors.

The Columbia Encyclopedia, Sixth Edition. 2001-05.

Mahmud of Ghazna

http://www.bartleby.com/65/ma/MahmudGh.html

(mämd´, gz´na) (KEY) , 971?–1030, Afghan emperor and conqueror. He defeated (c.999) his elder brother to gain control of Khorasan (in Iran) and of Afghanistan. In his raids against the states of N India, Mahmud, a staunch Muslim, destroyed Hindu temples, forced conversions to Islam, and carried off booty and slaves. Hindus especially abhorred his destruction of the temple to Shiva at Somnath in Gujarat.
See biographies by M. Nazim (1931) and M. Habib (2d ed. 1967); C. Bosworth, The Ghaznavids (1973) and The Later Ghaznavids (1977).

[di vinci]

bloody muslim always hogging the lilight, if it wasnt the cruasades it was the mongols. nows it bloody al qeada. these mussy love the lime light abit too much

[Menelik_II]

HERE IS A PRETTY WELL COMPOSED ANSWER FOR THAT I THINK ...


Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zice-KGfiQ


That man's talking stupid sh*t :no:

[di vinci]

That man's talking stupid sh*t :no:

i also forget christainity was spread by the sword and the gun. cruasades and the americas

[mrfreshie]

dr Zakir Naik, the man is a legend :salut:... has ne1 seen the debate between him and dr william campbell?

[Atharvan]

Islam is like a dove ' spreading love peace and hoy .

The swords they used to defend Islam and please no 1 mention forced conversion or reverts . Islam can touch your heart ' soul and mind and bring you the truth !

:grouphug:

:roflbow::roflbow::roflbow::roflbow::roflbow:

[Space-Cowboy]

dr Zakir Naik, the man is a legend :salut:... has ne1 seen the debate between him and dr william campbell?


.... yeah.... he's a legendary dumbass/prick/manipulative bastard:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CV1qZsoVQw

[saffr0n sher]

HERE IS A PRETTY WELL COMPOSED ANSWER FOR THAT I THINK ...


Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zice-KGfiQ

I think his audience would have been more convinced if he didn't give that topic the dignity of a 6minute answer. Anyone can come up with their own arguements like that.

[WildWolfdog]

.... yeah.... he's a legendary dumbass/prick/manipulative bastard:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CV1qZsoVQw

Says you.

[khanbaba_]

.... yeah.... he's a legendary dumbass/prick/manipulative bastard:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CV1qZsoVQw
Propaganda vidoes by Qadyanis, dosnt even make sense, first they show Dr. Zakir and then some random guys who have nothing to do with bin Laden or Dr. Naik. :rolleyes:

[intriguingchica!]

Propaganda vidoes by Qadyanis, dosnt even make sense, first they show Dr. Zakir and then some random guys who have nothing to do with bin Laden or Dr. Naik. :rolleyes:
hey Gundu ki haal ah tera? :wavey:

[khanbaba_]

hey Gundu ki haal ah tera? :wavey:
Tumhain kia hai? Jaisa bhi hoon? :shock:
Jhooti

[intriguingchica!]

Tumhain kia hai? Jaisa bhi hoon? :shock:
Jhooti
main khaijar jhooti vha?Thrukayah :rolleyes:

[desi_uk]

The only place Islam was slaughtered onto the people and has a really violent history was in India, lots of kings from central asia destroyed hindu temples and forced conversions.

Its so funny Pakis name thier missles after people who beat the crap out of thier ganges bathing ancestors.

The Columbia Encyclopedia, Sixth Edition. 2001-05.

Mahmud of Ghazna

http://www.bartleby.com/65/ma/MahmudGh.html

(mämd´, gz´na) (KEY) , 971?–1030, Afghan emperor and conqueror. He defeated (c.999) his elder brother to gain control of Khorasan (in Iran) and of Afghanistan. In his raids against the states of N India, Mahmud, a staunch Muslim, destroyed Hindu temples, forced conversions to Islam, and carried off booty and slaves. Hindus especially abhorred his destruction of the temple to Shiva at Somnath in Gujarat.
See biographies by M. Nazim (1931) and M. Habib (2d ed. 1967); C. Bosworth, The Ghaznavids (1973) and The Later Ghaznavids (1977).
Thats the Mughals who were not the shining example of Muslims and who abused their power too much.

[yeeee]

:think:

[yeeee]

:roflbow::roflbow::roflbow::roflbow::roflbow:
that was my reaction too, lol

[west rowley]

For What I Can Talk On.It Was Spread By The Sword.MILLONs Of Hindus Were Being Converted By The Sword.

The 9th Guru Of The Sikhs Said To Aurangzeb If You Can Convert Me Then ALL Of Hindus Will.

http://www.iarf.net/freedom/images/guruteghbahadur.jpg

He Wouldnt Converted And Was Bheaded.
http://www.gurmat.info/sms/smssikhism/gurus/guruteghbahadurji/guruteghbahadurmartyr.jpg

Sikhs Formed A Army And Finished Them Off Till Late 1700's
http://www.sikh-history.com/sikhhist/images/portraits/war5.jpg





Many Muslims And Sikhs Dont Even That Many Muslims Helped Sikhs In Battles
And Other Events What Happened.

Pir Budhu Shah.
Ghani Khan and Nabi Khan.
Rai Kalha.

And Many More.

Ghani Khan and Nabi Khan Kept The 10th Guru From Getting Captured By The Mughal And Hill Raja Army.

http://www.mrsikhnet.com/index.php/2007/01/23/muslim-saints-and-supporters-of-guru-gobind-singh-living-without-the-boundaries-of-religious-prejudice/#more-2687





I Can Say As A Sikh That Islam IS A Peacefully Faith 100%".

[Space-Cowboy]

Says you.


Says me because he just justified how/why it would be ok for Bin Laden to mastermind the murder of 3000 innocent people.


On the otherhand, if you want to listen to someone who's actually level headed:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfEIGw8NtNA

[Space-Cowboy]

Propaganda vidoes by Qadyanis, dosnt even make sense, first they show Dr. Zakir and then some random guys who have nothing to do with bin Laden or Dr. Naik. :rolleyes:


What is Qadyanis? :sarb:

[WildWolfdog]

Says me because he just justified how/why it would be ok for Bin Laden to mastermind the murder of 3000 innocent people.


On the otherhand, if you want to listen to someone who's actually level headed:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfEIGw8NtNA

When? Where?

[Space-Cowboy]

When? Where?
"If he is terrorizing America, the biggest terrorist, then I'm for him"

..... Let's assume, for argument's sake.... just for argument's sake, that America is the biggest terrorist....


............. What makes people at WTC terrorists? They're not the ones in charge of U.S. foreign policy...

.... Neither are the embassies bombed in 1998... These are innocent people, and Naik basically justified, in his own twisted fashion, why it would be ok for Bin Laden to carry out similar attacks.

... It might have been different if we were talking about attacks on American army bases or something similar..... .... but we're talking about justifying deliberate attacks on civilians that have nothing to do with American foreign policy.

Usually, I try and give him the benefit of the doubt to the best of my abilities.... I've always found him annoying, but I've been able to barely tolerate him. But after this video, it is clear that he's a psycho.

[whiteass]

HERE IS A PRETTY WELL COMPOSED ANSWER FOR THAT I THINK ...


Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zice-KGfiQ

Dr. Zakir Naik, extremelly intelligent

[whiteass]

This video is B.S., he doesn't adress anything that muslims did specificaly. He just goes on babbling about police. The fact is that the muslim caliphs were engaged in wars of conquest to spread their authority (which included the institutions and traditions of the Islamic faith) over the "dar al harb" and the people whom they deemed to be "kaffirs". The conquests of the Byzantine Empire (everything from Egypt to Turkey), North Africa, Sassanid Persia, Iberia, and the Hind were defensive and they all served to spread islam by the sword (not saying that everyone was forcefully converted in those lands but that islams dominion and influence in those lands was established through millitary conquest).

Alexander the Great :waveyFin:

[whiteass]

nope your wrong, islam wasn't spread by the sword get over it kid.

Exactlly

[whiteass]

you can occupy ..conquer a country thru SWORD..but not force a relegion.

yes countries were conquered thru outstanding Muslim General Khalid

Khalid ibn Waleed (584 - 642) (Arabic: خالد بن الوليد), a.k.a Sayf-Allāh(Sword of God) was a Muslim Arabian soldier and general, during the Islamic conquests of the 7th Century.

that was the period ,where nations expanded ,civilisations rejuvenated by new cultures and ideology.

AGE OF EMPIRES.


So Arabia did what Spaniards did, Vikings did Saxons did Romans did!! :rolleyes:


now about forcing relegion onto them is somewhat rubbish. It CLEARLY STATED in KORAN..you simply cannot force anyone to accept ISLAM. It will never be granted by ALLAH!


the art of diplomacy were the WORDs itself. Ppl read and understood ISLAM ito be "a way of life". the conversion came naturally.



but the atrocities commited by random rulers on random subjects dont clarify the Quote as "Islam spread by Sword"!!


Finally someone with some intelligence. :)

[whiteass]

^^
another muslim hater

Yep. :mad:

[whiteass]

so anyone who talks about the misdeeds of muslims is a muslim hater? Ok Mr. Al-Zawahiri :no:.

Who is Al-Zawahiri? :sarb:

[whiteass]

Islam is like a dove ' spreading love peace and hoy .

The swords they used to defend Islam and please no 1 mention forced conversion or reverts . Islam can touch your heart ' soul and mind and bring you the truth !

:grouphug:

:grouphug: :dance3:

[whiteass]

Question is, so what if Islam was spread by the sword? Lots of religions were spread by the sword in varying degrees. All people have to make sure is that Islam should not be spread by the sword now. Thats all. Damn!

True :neutral:

[whiteass]

bloody muslim always hogging the lilight, if it wasnt the cruasades it was the mongols. nows it bloody al qeada. these mussy love the lime light abit too much
:rofl: :rofl: ......no wait, what? :sarb:

[Cunard]

LOLOL

what BS

the same logic can be used to say that the Nazis spread through love and cupcakes because pockets of jews survived here and there

[whiteass]

i also forget christainity was spread by the sword and the gun. cruasades and the americas

Exactly :)

[whiteass]

.... yeah.... he's a legendary dumbass/prick/manipulative bastard:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CV1qZsoVQw

What like you? :neutral:

[whiteass]

Propaganda vidoes by Qadyanis, dosnt even make sense, first they show Dr. Zakir and then some random guys who have nothing to do with bin Laden or Dr. Naik. :rolleyes:

Exactly :neutral:

[whiteass]

For What I Can Talk On.It Was Spread By The Sword.MILLONs Of Hindus Were Being Converted By The Sword.

The 9th Guru Of The Sikhs Said To Aurangzeb If You Can Convert Me Then ALL Of Hindus Will.

http://www.iarf.net/freedom/images/guruteghbahadur.jpg

He Wouldnt Converted And Was Bheaded.
http://www.gurmat.info/sms/smssikhism/gurus/guruteghbahadurji/guruteghbahadurmartyr.jpg

Sikhs Formed A Army And Finished Them Off Till Late 1700's
http://www.sikh-history.com/sikhhist/images/portraits/war5.jpg





Many Muslims And Sikhs Dont Even That Many Muslims Helped Sikhs In Battles
And Other Events What Happened.

Pir Budhu Shah.
Ghani Khan and Nabi Khan.
Rai Kalha.

And Many More.

Ghani Khan and Nabi Khan Kept The 10th Guru From Getting Captured By The Mughal And Hill Raja Army.

http://www.mrsikhnet.com/index.php/2007/01/23/muslim-saints-and-supporters-of-guru-gobind-singh-living-without-the-boundaries-of-religious-prejudice/#more-2687





I Can Say As A Sikh That Islam IS A Peacefully Faith 100%".

:D :dance3:

[whiteass]

Says me because he just justified how/why it would be ok for Bin Laden to mastermind the murder of 3000 innocent people.


On the otherhand, if you want to listen to someone who's actually level headed:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfEIGw8NtNA

How did you come to conclusion that Bin Laden did what you say he did? :neutral:

[whiteass]

What is Qadyanis? :sarb:

Originate from India by the British Government.

[whiteass]

Says me because he just justified how/why it would be ok for Bin Laden to mastermind the murder of 3000 innocent people.


On the otherhand, if you want to listen to someone who's actually level headed:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfEIGw8NtNA

This video seems like it has been edited. :neutral:

[NdNStaTEofMinD]

At times it was. But in the Quran doesnt it say you cant force conversion on anyone?

In that case, the ones who DID in fact forcefully convert people, do not deserve to be called Muslims.

[Space-Cowboy]

What like you? :neutral:

No, because I don't support Bin Laden like he clearly seems to, watch the video of him that I sent in my link.

[Atharvan]

Thats the Mughals who were not the shining example of Muslims and who abused their power too much.

mohammed ghazni was a ghaznavid not a mughal.