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khanbaba_
June 21st, 2006, 02:20 PM
In the 20th century, Islaam has been attacked from all angles lately. One of the primary sources of attack happens to come from some people who have used their intellect to conclude that the Sunnah need not be an authoritative in the lives of every Muslim. They are under the impression that the Qur'aan is sufficient for Muslim.

Let us use the Qur'aan to remind these persons (and may Allah guide them and us to full obedience, Ameen) of the authority of Sunnah.

"Allah has surely blessed the believers with His favour when He raised in their midst a Messenger from among themselves, who recites to them His verses and makes them pure and teaches them the Book and the wisdom, while they were, earlier, in an open error." (3:164)

"And obey Allah and the Messenger so that you may be blessed." (3:132)

"O you believe, obey Allah and obey the Messenger and those in authority among you(fuqaha). (And) if you differ in anything amongst yourselves, refer it to Allah and His Messenger if you believe in Allah and in the Last Day. This is better and more suitable for final determination." (4:59)

The Qur'aan also clarified that the obedience to the Messenger ('alaihi salaatu was-salaam) is actually obedience to Him.

"And whoever obeys the Messenger, thereby obeys Allah." (41:80)

And whoever disobeys Allah and His Messenger, for him there is the fire of Jahannam. There they will remain forever." (72:23)

"O you who believe, obey Allah and the Messenger and do not make your deeds go in vain." 47:33

"And whoever diobeys Allah and His Messenger has clearly gone astray." 33:36

"On that day those who disbelieved and disobeyed the Messenger will wish that the earth might be levelled with them." 4:42

"And whoever obeys the Messenger indeed obeys Allah." 4:80


"And he (the Prophet) does not speak our of his own desire. It is not but a revelation revealed (to him)." 53:3...Anything that messenger says is from ALLAH.

It is not conceivable that Allah would have sent a Prophet and not mentioned the need to follow him. As in (33:23), we find that for the one who is a Muslim, one must follow the Prophet ('alaihis-salaatu was-salaam). Why? To be avoid the wrath of Allah in this world and in the Hereafter. For those who insist on not obeying and following the Prophet s.a.w. then know that the he/she is walking a path of destruction. The same Qur'aan that some people claim is sufficient for them did not read these ayaat that we have cited in this article. These people to look at the Qur'aan again and fear Allah!

Allah says in Surah An-Nisaa' Ayah 65
"But no, by your Lord, they can have no Faith until they make you (i.e., Prophet Muhammad (`alaihis- salaatu was-salaam)) judge in all disputes between them, and find in themselves no resistance against your decisions, and accept them with full submission."

Allah also says in the same surah in ayah 61
"And when it is said to them: 'Come to what Allah has sent down and to the Messenger,' you see the hypocrites turn away from you with aversion."


Thus, the one who refuses to acknowledge that the Sunnah is an authoritative entity in the lives of the Muslim has committed unbelief (Arabic: "kufr"). So, this person or persons is not a Muslim. He or she has negated his shahadah because he does not accept the Sunnah to be an authoritative entity in his Deen (way of life).

The ignorantswho deny the authority of sunnah are advised to return to the Book of Allah and the Sunnah of His Messenger (`alaihis- salaatu was-salaam) and stop utterring the words of the deviant disbelievers who deny the authority of the Sunnah. DONT BE INFLUENCED BY WESTERN ORIENTALISTS WHO TRY TO CAST DOUBT ON THE AUTHENTICITY OF SUNNAH.

FatGeezer
June 21st, 2006, 02:32 PM
if youre trying to have a lame attempt at having a dig at me you need to realise what the difference is in NOT beleiving in hadith and BELEIVING hadith but trying to have a debate on Quranic matter alone.

Its pointlessw even debating with people like you cos you've already made up in your minds that you and youre ideas are perfect and anything contradictoray to that is wrong.

You need to learn that to evolve in your knowledge you need to have an open mind and appreciate different opinions without getting your hairs up. Otherwise youre just a biggot trying to push your own agendas through under the guise of a debate.

Mash007
June 21st, 2006, 02:36 PM
if youre trying to have a lame attempt at having a dig at me you need to realise what the difference is in NOT beleiving in hadith and BELEIVING hadith but trying to have a debate on Quranic matter alone.

Its pointlessw even debating with people like you cos you've already made up in your minds that you and youre ideas are perfect and anything contradictoray to that is wrong.

You need to learn that to evolve in your knowledge you need to have an open mind and appreciate different opinions without getting your hairs up. Otherwise youre just a biggot trying to push your own agendas through under the guise of a debate.PWNED

FatGeezer
June 21st, 2006, 02:39 PM
oh, and can you tell me whose translation of the quran you have used please as already in your second quote I have found a significant discrepany.

003.132
YUSUFALI: And obey Allah and the Messenger; that ye may obtain mercy.
PICKTHAL: And obey Allah and the messenger, that ye may find mercy.
SHAKIR: And obey Allah and the Messenger, that you may be shown mercy.


MERCY is COMPLETELY different to being BLESSED.

i'll let you go back and edit your post before i even enterrtain it any further before disecting your "validity" as a "scholar" in the matter.

khanbaba_
June 21st, 2006, 02:42 PM
Maybe u need to read again what i have posted.

khanbaba_
June 21st, 2006, 02:43 PM
"And he (the Prophet) does not speak our of his own desire. It is not but a revelation revealed (to him)." 53:3...Anything that messenger says is from ALLAH.

FatGeezer
June 21st, 2006, 02:45 PM
"And he (the Prophet) does not speak our of his own desire. It is not but a revelation revealed (to him)." 53:3...Anything that messenger says is from ALLAH.
you, on the flipside, have no divine inspiration whatsoever, and as i said before, go back and correct the errors before i even post again.

khanbaba_
June 21st, 2006, 02:49 PM
You are just influeced by WESTERN HISTORIANS WHO ARE TO QUESTION THE VALIDITY OF SUNNAH AND HADEES.

There is more english translations of quran beside yusuf ali.
THIS ONE IS BY MUFTI TAQI USMANI.

FatGeezer
June 21st, 2006, 02:51 PM
You are just influeced by WESTERN HISTORIANS WHO ARE TO QUESTION THE VALIDITY OF SUNNAH AND HADEES.

There is more english translations of quran beside yusuf ali.
THIS ONE IS BY MUFTI TAQI USMANI.
if you care to look you'll find that i posted the translations by THREE different scholars. The translations by these are widely accepted to be th populous. Just by numbers alone if 3 interpretations say one thing and 1 says something differnt, which one is likely to be correct statistically?

khanbaba_
June 21st, 2006, 02:54 PM
There Are Different Translation Of Quran. And Mufti Taqi Usmani Is Of Higher Caliber Than Yusuf Ali.
He Is Also A Faqeeh.
Dont Try To Change The Topic.
I Have Proved My Point.
Any One Who Denies The Authority Of Sunnah Is A Kafir.

FatGeezer
June 21st, 2006, 02:57 PM
so now you want to engage in character bashing.

I am not changing the topic but merely pointing out your initial post contains misinformation.

Its funny how you were bashing wahabbi's before and now you rely on the authority of a scholar who is deoband, whose beleifs lie more in harmony with the reformism of wahabbi's.

according to the bibliography on this page the mufti never translated the full Quran:

http://www.albalagh.net/taqi.shtml

khanbaba_
June 21st, 2006, 03:00 PM
so now you want to engage in character bashing.

I am not changing the topic but merely pointing out your initial post contains misinformation.

Its funny how you were bashing wahabbi's before and now you rely on the authority of a scholar who is deoband, whose beleifs lie more in harmony with the reformism of wahabbi's.

according to the bibliography on this page the mufti never translated the full Quran:

http://www.albalagh.net/taqi.shtml

furst all for ur knowledge,
debandi and wahabis are 2 differnt things.
deobandis are ahl sunnah wal jamat, hanafis.
You need to get ur facts straight.

i was not character bashing. as i said earlier, he is a faqeeh and he can translate any ayat of quran.

FatGeezer
June 21st, 2006, 03:07 PM
furst all for ur knowledge,
debandi and wahabis are 2 differnt things.
deobandis are ahl sunnah wal jamat, hanafis.
You need to get ur facts straight.

i was not character bashing. as i said earlier, he is a faqeeh and he can translate any ayat of quran.

yes they are two different things but theyre beleifs are more similar to the wahabbis on the main than the hanafis.

They DONT beleive in "khatams" nor intercession, which is a fundamental contradiction between deoband and hanafi views. And FYI the Taliban are reputed to have followed the deoband school of thought. In many cases i have heard hanafis referring to deoband as wahabbis, weather out of jest or misinterpretation.

You may like to read this regarding the translation of the Quran:
http://soundvision.com/Info/quran/english.asp

FatGeezer
June 21st, 2006, 03:09 PM
:hand:

I simply am not gonna bother replying anymore until you edit your post to reflect Quranic translations to be those of one of the acknowldged authentic translations of the Quran.

:hand: :hand: :hand: :hand: :hand: :hand: :hand: :hand:

khanbaba_
June 21st, 2006, 03:12 PM
yes they are two different things but theyre beleifs are more similar to the wahabbis on the main than the hanafis.

They DONT beleive in "khatams" nor intercession, which is a fundamental contradiction between deoband and hanafi views. And FYI the Taliban are reputed to have followed the deoband school of thought. In many cases i have heard hanafis referring to deoband as wahabbis, weather out of jest or misinterpretation.

You may like to read this regarding the translation of the Quran:
http://soundvision.com/Info/quran/english.asp


ARE YOU BERALVI? lol

i ll repeat my self, debandis are real hanafis in sub-continent.
they dont have the beliefs of wahabis.
and who told u deobandis dont blv in intercession? maybe u need to read their books.

and what u mean by khatams.

and let me tell u this alot of scholars dis-agree with the translation of yusuf ali.

khanbaba_
June 21st, 2006, 03:13 PM
:hand:

I simply am not gonna bother replying anymore until you edit your post to reflect Quranic translations to be those of one of the acknowldged authentic translations of the Quran.

:hand: :hand: :hand: :hand: :hand: :hand: :hand: :hand:


to me mufti taqi usmani is more reliable than yusuf ali.

khanbaba_
June 21st, 2006, 03:19 PM
Yusuf Ali was the first zindeeq who had made an attempt to differentiate between bank interest and the Islamic meaning of ribaa. Excluding bank interest from Ribaa, Yusuf Ali states in his baatil commentary on the Qur’aan:

“My definition (of ribaa) would….exclude economic credit, the creature of modern banking and finance.”

and alot of his translation is not accepted by reliable scholars.

reaz
June 21st, 2006, 04:04 PM
so you choose what you want to believe and refuse anyone else who believes differently?