how many sikhs here dont eat beef/pork?

[desipride24o7]

As u know sikhs aren't souppoused to eat meat, but i know alot of sikhs that don't eat beef/pork. My dad doesn't eat pork but he eats beef. And my mom won't eat either.

I never made it a rule but, since neither are ever at our house I don't eat them.

Any of u?

[americanmohit]

i remember angle_pyar told me she eats bacon..she is sikh :neutral: it means some sikh people do eat meats :dunno:

[zimmy24]

i eat porkie punanis :love:

[SharpenedMango]

this sikh girl i know eats meat but always checks at the restaurant to ask if its halal, if it is, she orders vegitarian,
go figure :|

[desipride24o7]

this sikh girl i know eats meat but always checks at the restaurant to ask if its halal, if it is, she orders vegitarian,
go figure :|

thats pretty weird.

[selina_786]

this sikh girl i know eats meat but always checks at the restaurant to ask if its halal, if it is, she orders vegitarian,
go figure :|
She must have a Muslim partner :neutral:

[desipride24o7]

i remember angle_pyar told me she eats bacon..she is sikh :neutral: it means some sikh people do eat meats :dunno:

yeah most sikhs do i was just saying that we aren't allowed to eat any meat, but when we break that rule why do some have rules of not eating pork/beef. if that is other sikhs do that besides my family

[desipride24o7]

She must have a Muslim partner :neutral:

i know these old ppl that live near us and they eat all halal meat. their sikh

[selina_786]

i know these old ppl that live near us and they eat all halal meat.
Are they Sikh?

[desipride24o7]

Are they Sikh?
yah

[dopekhor]

they arent allowed to eat meat? i thought they werent just allowed to have halal stuff :|

[mr photographer]

this sikh girl i know eats meat but always checks at the restaurant to ask if its halal, if it is, she orders vegitarian,
go figure :|

thats because it's against the sikh religion to eat halal meat

your knowledge is very lacking of the sikhism

[chicano_desi]

i don't eat beef and pork but everything else.

[SharpenedMango]

*waits for a sikh of learning to come in and actually have the answer *

[mr photographer]

yeah most sikhs do i was just saying that we aren't allowed to eat any meat, but when we break that rule why do some have rules of not eating pork/beef. if that is other sikhs do that besides my family

they're not meant to drink either :p

[desipride24o7]

thats because it's against the sikh religion to eat halal meat

your knowledge is very lacking of the sikhism

we eat halal meat sometimes

[desipride24o7]

they're not meant to drink either :p

lol :p

punjabi-style yo

[SharpenedMango]

thats because it's against the sikh religion to eat halal meat

your knowledge is very lacking of the sikhism

yeah i have to admit my knowledge of sikhism is lacking,
but in my opinion, u should either eat meat, or not eat it....

[mr photographer]

yeah i have to admit my knowledge of sikhism is lacking,
but in my opinion, u should either eat meat, or not eat it....

religious sikhs dont do either

majority of more modern day sikhs just about do everything against their religion :sarb:

[addiction01]

I eat wotever I feel like eating :dunno:

[Monica152]

im half hindu half sikh nd both religions r very similiar
i guess both orginally were suppose 2 be vegetarian but sumthin went wrng .... but when u do eat meat ur not suppose 2 be eatin beef no matter wat sikh or hindu. my whole family eats meat but none of them r allowed 2 eat beef idk y though. :blink:

[desipride24o7]

i know this has nothing to do with meat or anything

but last june we went to pakistan and everyone there was like super respectful towards my dad

everywhere we went they would be like sardarji sardarji

:sarb: and we were all pretty worried about getting killed there

[dopekhor]

yeah i have to admit my knowledge of sikhism is lacking,
but in my opinion, u should either eat meat, or not eat it....
well their religion forbids the consumption of halal meat!

[aachoudhry]

this sikh girl i know eats meat but always checks at the restaurant to ask if its halal, if it is, she orders vegitarian,
go figure :|

is tha ta joke?

haha wtf

[mr photographer]

im half hindu half sikh nd both religions r very similiar
i guess both orginally were suppose 2 be vegetarian but sumthin went wrng .... but when u do eat meat ur not suppose 2 be eatin beef no matter wat sikh or hindu. my whole family eats meat but none of them r allowed 2 eat beef idk y though. :blink:

they're similar because sikhism is taken elements from hinduism and elements from islam

u can eat meat but not beef :sarb:

[desipride24o7]

im half hindu half sikh nd both religions r very similiar
i guess both orginally were suppose 2 be vegetarian but sumthin went wrng .... but when u do eat meat ur not suppose 2 be eatin beef no matter wat sikh or hindu. my whole family eats meat but none of them r allowed 2 eat beef idk y though. :blink:

sorry i differ on that, ssikhism teaches diff values

like all my hindu friends don't get yelled at for wearing a dress or shorts, and my family would FREAK

but were all entitled to opinions

[Infamous_Punjabi]

yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[mr photographer]

i know this has nothing to do with meat or anything

but last june we went to pakistan and everyone there was like super respectful towards my dad

everywhere we went they would be like sardarji sardarji

:sarb: and we were all pretty worried about getting killed there

ur lucky u survived to tell the tale .... dumbass :rolleyes:

tell him not to come to the UK, there's terrorists here :p

[PreciousPari]

I don't eat beef and neither does my mom. But my dad and bros do. We all eat pork though but very rarely.

[desipride24o7]

ur lucky u survived to tell the tale .... dumbass :rolleyes:

tell him not to come to the UK, there's terrorists here :p

but they were all so nice and we saw a couple of sarders there too, and i watched the news the other day and they started some train system between punjab and lahore so that sikhs can vist the gurdwaras

and i duno anything about uk

[Monica152]

sorry i differ on that, ssikhism teaches diff values

like all my hindu friends don't get yelled at for wearing a dress or shorts, and my family would FREAK

but were all entitled to opinions

its not really bout values when ur tlkin bout hindu friends dat dnt get yelled at 4 wearin shorts dat jus really depends on ur parents

[PreciousPari]

its not really bout values when ur tlkin bout hindu friends dat dnt get yelled at 4 wearin shorts dat jus really depends on ur parents

Werd.

[desipride24o7]

its not really bout values when ur tlkin bout hindu friends dat dnt get yelled at 4 wearin shorts dat jus really depends on ur parents

i go to punjabi/sikh school and all they ever teach there is why us girls have to "cover" ourselves. but, parents def have to do with it.

[adya]

As most Sikhs know it is the Akal Takht which represents the final authority on controversial issues concerning the Sikh Panth, as with changing times more questions arise which need answers and instead of everyone arguing we have a final authority known as the Akal Takht

So the Hukamnama issued by Akal Takht Jathedar Sandhu Singh Bhaura on February 15th 1980 stated that Amritdhari Sikhs can eat meat as long as it is jhatka meat ( meat in which the animal has been killed quickly without suffering or religious ritual.)

The reason that a lot of Sikhs who choose to be vergetarian don’t eat beef is because of their cultural proximity to Hindus. Something that normally began when they lived in India and continued when they move to a a Western country.

So Halal meat is prohibited as it is prepared in a religious way.

The rest is up to personal choice if your not a Amritdhari Sikh and just practicing parts of the religion

[Monica152]

i go to punjabi school and all they ever teach there is why us girls have to "cover" ourselves. but, parents def have to do with it.

i guess it depends on society 2 do u live in india? becuz u say u go 2 a punjabi school

[WhatDidYouSay!?]

Jhatka meat is where the animal has been killed with one blow - where the animal has been killed quickly

The reason meat such as halal/kocher is not allowed in Sikhi, is become that meat has been killed in a religious manner...

^^^ Is that true? well you know, right?

[desipride24o7]

i guess it depends on society 2 do u live in india? becuz u say u go 2 a punjabi school

us, virginia

[WhatDidYouSay!?]

As most Sikhs know it is the Akal Takht which represents the final authority on controversial issues concerning the Sikh Panth, as with changing times more questions arise which need answers and instead of everyone arguing we have a final authority known as the Akal Takht

So the Hukamnama issued by Akal Takht Jathedar Sandhu Singh Bhaura on February 15th 1980 stated that Amritdhari Sikhs can eat meat as long as it is jhatka meat ( meat in which the animal has been killed quickly without suffering or religious ritual.)

The reason that a lot of Sikhs who choose to be vergetarian don’t eat beef is because of their cultural proximity to Hindus. Something that normally began when they lived in India and continued when they move to a a Western country.

So Halal meat is prohibited as it is prepared in a religious way.

The rest is up to personal choice if your not a Amritdhari Sikh and just practicing parts of the religion

Oh :)

[desipride24o7]

Jhatka meat is where the animal has been killed with one blow - where the animal has been killed quickly

The reason meat such as halal/kocher is not allowed in Sikhi, is become that meat has been killed in a religious manner...

^^^ Is that true? well you know, right?

yeah we aren't allowed to eat halal meat because we beleive that you shouln't kill animals (gods creation) in his name

[WhatDidYouSay!?]

yeah we aren't allowed to eat halal meat because we beleive that you shouln't kill animals (gods creation) in his name

Cool, Now I understand...

Thanks :)

[Monica152]

us, virginia

ohh my bad srrie but wat do u mean when u say u go 2 a punjabi school
cuz i jus moved 2 li but da school i went 2 before had altta indians but still all da punjabis were allowed 2 dress da way they wnted their parents never really had a prob wit dat

[desipride24o7]

Cool, Now I understand...

Thanks :)
welcome :)

[mr photographer]

yeah we aren't allowed to eat halal meat because we beleive that you shouln't kill animals (gods creation) in his name

then should u be allowed to kill gods creation ... period :sarb:

so its ok to kill and eat an animal period but not if its been killed in gods name

i dont understand the logic in that :sarb:

[gori_gori]

i'm a vegetarian.

[dark_man_x]

its not really bout values when ur tlkin bout hindu friends dat dnt get yelled at 4 wearin shorts dat jus really depends on ur parents


I diasgree. Hinduism is about Polytheism (belief in many Gods). And Sikhism is about Monotheism (belief in ONE God).

The very principles in belief have nothing in common?

[desipride24o7]

ohh my bad srrie but wat do u mean when u say u go 2 a punjabi school
cuz i jus moved 2 li but da school i went 2 before had altta indians but still all da punjabis were allowed 2 dress da way they wnted their parents never really had a prob wit dat

i mean like its real punjabi/sikh school its called punjabi sikh school also, we learn to read and write in punjabi ..and then the normal subjects...and we learn about our religion and stuff like why we shouln't cut our hair and stuff, and girls and boy have sperate classes and were always being taught why our religion doesn't allow for low cut shirts, mini skirts, blah..

[desipride24o7]

i'm a vegetarian.

are u sikh? when did u start..do ur parents do it too...are u really religious..

sorry i know alot of question but i wanna amrit shak soon so that's why im asking.

[adya]

then should u be allowed to kill gods creation ... period :sarb:

so its ok to kill and eat an animal period but not if its been killed in gods name

i dont understand the logic in that :sarb:

shes talking about what she and her parents believe not Sikhism...personal Point of view often doesnt have a logic

But the reason that Sikhs don’t eat halal meat doesn’t lie in religious tenet but in the view that killing an animal with a prayer is not going to enoble the meat.

[mr photographer]

shes talking about what she and her parents believe not Sikhism...personal Point of view often doesnt have a logic

But the reason that Sikhs don’t eat halal meat doesn’t lie in religious tenet but in the view that killing an animal with a prayer is not going to enoble the meat.

so killing the animal without a prayer is going to enoble the meat and killing the animal with a prayer is not going to enoble it ... i still don't get it :sarb:

[CantThinkOfAName]

are u sikh? when did u start..do ur parents do it too...are u really religious..

sorry i know alot of question but i wanna amrit shak soon so that's why im asking.

my mums bin amrit skakia for nearly ten years now

[Monica152]

.. not really when ur sikh there r actually 7 gods i think cuz growing up i ddnt really learn dat much but i knw basics nd as 4 punjabi school i think its pretty kool dat u get 2 learn 2 read nd write punjabi i wud but i dnt knw of any punjabi schools near where i live , 4 get punjabi schools i dnt think there r even punjabis near where i live ! :( when they teach not 2 wear low cuts nd stuff i guess dats falls under dharm nd indian gurls were never allowed 2 wear dat its jus nowadays every bosy's changin da rules. Btw if ur planning on bein a vegetarian its extremely hard bein one after uve already tried meat. i quit but i always feel like eatin meat when my famil's havin it

[desipride24o7]

shes talking about what she and her parents believe not Sikhism...personal Point of view often doesnt have a logic

But the reason that Sikhs don’t eat halal meat doesn’t lie in religious tenet but in the view that killing an animal with a prayer is not going to enoble the meat.
thats what im trying to say

[gori_gori]

are u sikh? when did u start..do ur parents do it too...are u really religious..

sorry i know alot of question but i wanna amrit shak soon so that's why im asking.

yes i am sikh.. and start what?
well sorta, i go to the gurdwara every week..

[adya]

so killing the animal without a prayer is going to enoble the meat and killing the animal with a prayer is not going to enoble it ... i still don't get it :sarb:

The point is that neither of them enoble the meant

For example according to the Quran the kosher meat prepared by slowly severing the main blood artery of the throat of the animal while reciting verses from the Quran. It is done to make slaughter a sacrifice to God and to expiate the sins of the slaughter.

We dont think that this is true so Guru Gobind Singh Ji stated that we should not eat Halal Meat a view earlier brought forward by Guru Nanak Dev Ji

"Yet holding the knife, the world they butcher. Wearing blue the rulers approval they seek; With money derived from mlechhas the Puranas they worship. Goats slaughtered over the unapproved Muslims texts they eat." (Guru Nanak Dev Ji, Raga Asa, pg. 472)

and like others im still learning about the my religion myself, so if I do make a mistake please let me know. But unlike others I'm trying not to pull crap out of the air without doing abit or research.

[desipride24o7]

.. not really when ur sikh there r actually 7 gods i think cuz growing up i ddnt really learn dat much but i knw basics nd as 4 punjabi school i think its pretty kool dat u get 2 learn 2 read nd write punjabi i wud but i dnt knw of any punjabi schools near where i live , 4 get punjabi schools i dnt think there r even punjabis near where i live ! :( when they teach not 2 wear low cuts nd stuff i guess dats falls under dharm nd indian gurls were never allowed 2 wear dat its jus nowadays every bosy's changin da rules. Btw if ur planning on bein a vegetarian its extremely hard bein one after uve already tried meat. i quit but i always feel like eatin meat when my famil's havin it

7 gods ive never heard of that but 10 gurus yes...and yah punjabi school isn't all that fun, our unifroms suck.. its these ugly pants with a sweater shirt thing...and as for the whole veg. thing i really wanna do it but i dont think im ready to amrit shak. im gonna try to slowly get it out of my die and then if i stick to it amrit shak. thanks for the advice

[adya]

.. not really when ur sikh there r actually 7 gods i think cuz growing up i ddnt really learn dat much but i knw basics nd as 4 punjabi school i think its pretty kool dat u get 2 learn 2 read nd write punjabi i wud but i dnt knw of any punjabi schools near where i live , 4 get punjabi schools i dnt think there r even punjabis near where i live ! :( when they teach not 2 wear low cuts nd stuff i guess dats falls under dharm nd indian gurls were never allowed 2 wear dat its jus nowadays every bosy's changin da rules. Btw if ur planning on bein a vegetarian its extremely hard bein one after uve already tried meat. i quit but i always feel like eatin meat when my famil's havin it

1 - there is one God.
2 - there is 10 Gurus and often the Guru Granth Sahib is known as a 11 Guru.

you dont even know the fundamentals of Sikhism and your trying to give someone advice...bullshit

[desipride24o7]

The point is that neither of them enoble the meant

For example according to the Quran the kosher meat prepared by slowly severing the main blood artery of the throat of the animal while reciting verses from the Quran. It is done to make slaughter a sacrifice to God and to expiate the sins of the slaughter.

We dont think that this is true so Guru Gobind Singh Ji stated that we should not eat Halal Meat a view earlier brought forward by Guru Nanak Dev Ji

"Yet holding the knife, the world they butcher. Wearing blue the rulers approval they seek; With money derived from mlechhas the Puranas they worship. Goats slaughtered over the unapproved Muslims texts they eat." (Guru Nanak Dev Ji, Raga Asa, pg. 472)

and like others im still learning about the my religion myself, so if I do make a mistake please let me know. But unlike others I'm trying not to pull crap out of the air without doing abit or research.

everything u said was right from what i learned. and to ur last sentence im not the most perfect sikh in the whole universe and im just trying to tell u what i learned at sikh school. it's what ive been taught im gonna beleive

[adya]

Just my general advice to the maker of this thread, becoming a Amritdhari is a serious life changing choice, I applaud those who are strong enough to become one, but dont take it lightly, as its more then just giving up meat, its excepting alot of things, and in my personal viewpoint you need to learn alot more about Sikhism if you come to a "ratedesi" forum asking these type of questions, before even thinking about taking the step.


Either way Rab Rakha

[adya]

everything u said was right from what i learned. and to ur last sentence im not the most perfect sikh in the whole universe and im just trying to tell u what i learned at sikh school. it's what ive been taught im gonna beleive


Noone is perfect but I do think that you need to go out and do some research, beginning by reading the Guru Granth Sahib and any Hukunama which may relate to what you need to know, rather then listioning to people who dont even know how many Gods Sikhism has. Its just going to confuse you even further..

No point me going on, im out.

[desipride24o7]

Just my general advice to the maker of this thread, becoming a Amritdhari is a serious life changing choice, I applaud those who are strong enough to become one, but dont take it lightly, as its more then just giving up meat, its excepting alot of things, and in my personal viewpoint you need to learn alot more about Sikhism if you come to a "ratedesi" forum asking these type of questions, before even thinking about taking the step.


Either way Rab Rakha


thanks for the advice and yes i know i need to learn alot more but im not allowed to amritdhari until 18, parents not religion.

but alot of the things u said i was trying to say the same thing. just don't have the whole entire knowledge on it to say explain in detail. thanks for the advice

[lili420]

As most Sikhs know it is the Akal Takht which represents the final authority on controversial issues concerning the Sikh Panth, as with changing times more questions arise which need answers and instead of everyone arguing we have a final authority known as the Akal Takht

So the Hukamnama issued by Akal Takht Jathedar Sandhu Singh Bhaura on February 15th 1980 stated that Amritdhari Sikhs can eat meat as long as it is jhatka meat ( meat in which the animal has been killed quickly without suffering or religious ritual.)

The reason that a lot of Sikhs who choose to be vergetarian don’t eat beef is because of their cultural proximity to Hindus. Something that normally began when they lived in India and continued when they move to a a Western country.

So Halal meat is prohibited as it is prepared in a religious way.

The rest is up to personal choice if your not a Amritdhari Sikh and just practicing parts of the religion
ok, the reason taht sikhs have for not eating halal meat is actually not valid. The zabiha way(halal) way of slaughtering meat is in fact, the most humane and painless method to kill the animal. this is because you cut the jugular vein and the animal loses contact with the brain immediatly therefore not feeling any pain. Then you drain th eblood, so its also very clean. this has been proven too, there was a thread a while ago on halal and jhatka meat, by bad_cheque, and someone posted proof in there too. So i guess it shouldnt be a problem for sikhs to eat halal meat. :dunno:

[adya]

ok, the reason taht sikhs have for not eating halal meat is actually not valid. The zabiha way(halal) way of slaughtering meat is in fact, the most humane and painless method to kill the animal. this is because you cut the jugular vein and the animal loses contact with the brain immediatly therefore not feeling any pain. Then you drain th eblood, so its also very clean. this has been proven too, there was a thread a while ago on halal and jhatka meat, by bad_cheque, and someone posted proof in there too. So i guess it shouldnt be a problem for sikhs to eat halal meat. :dunno:

Just like the Quran states things so does our Guru Granth Sahib

As far as im aware when when you eat Halal met it involves facing the animal in a specific direction, saying a Muslim prayer, and slicing its throat causing it to slowly bleed to death. I may be wrong

Im still to find "facts" but so far the reasons i have found that we dont eat them include the following, (some may be wrong as like i said i dont claim to know all about Sikhism) -

1.Sikhs are not permitted to eat this meat because eating such Muslim meat could be considered by some as accepting the Muslim faith (becoming a Muslim). Sikhs are not permitted to eat any food prepared by religious rites and prayers of a different faith, because there should never be a question that Sikhs will always maintain their distinctive religion.

2.The message behind Guru Gobind's request not to eat Halal meat was not to eat any meat which is slaughtered in a ritualistic manner. The premise being the killing of an animal is killing of an animal, the slaughter does not need to be sanctified, It is a action of which we cannot absolutely deem to be good or evil and a ritualised slaughter assumes one or the other.

and Im not here to get into a debate about another religion because Sikhism has taight me not to look down upon people who follow other religions as we are all equal, just following differnt paths to one God, and even though i dont follow the other paths, ive been taught to respect them

Ik Onkar (God is One)
Sat Nam ( His name is True)
Kartaa Purakh (He is the Creator)
Nirbhau (He is without fear)
Nirvair (He is inimical to none)
Akal-murat (He never dies)
Ajooni (He is beyond births and deaths)
Saibhang ( He is self illuminated)
Gurprasaad (He is realized by the kindness of the True Guru)
Jap (Repeat His Name)

[BlackCadillacs]

Beef/pork are the best meat though.

[Hevan]

I dont eat Gobi!

[SharpenedMango]

Beef/pork are the best meat though.

how many other meats have u eaten then to base ur premise?
goat?
camel?
llama?
or sheep?

[harvey_mayway]

sikh people cant eat beef...

[dandiwal_jatt]

this is long but kind of informational:

The attached essay proves how meat eating or vegetarianism has never
been an
issue amongst Sikh. Various Jathas, Baba Dera's (mostly based in the
West)
are making an issue out of something which our Great Guru's dismissed
as
trivial. It shows plainly how this issue is being blown out of all
proportion and how Brahmanical practices are creeping into Sikhism.
Some of
these Jathas and Dera's are using Mistranslation and Misrepresentation
of
the Sri Guru Granth Sahib to force their message onto ignorant young
Sikhs.

So all sane Vegetarian and Meat eating Sikhs unite and pass on the
attached
document to fellow Sikhs.

We are already divided on caste and other issues. Let us not divide our
Panth further.

Thanks

A Humble Sikh

PS Please pass this on.



FOOLS WHO WRANGLE OVER FLESH
FOREWARD
The authors of this paper (one a vegetarian and one meat eating Sikh) wrangled hard with their own common sense which told them, “don’t be a fool and start wrangling over an issue which our great Guru’s dismissed as not worthy of discussion”. We did however feel as amateur Sikh Historians and commentators on Sikh affairs that we should use our knowledge and experience to clarify what is such a controversial issue. This essay out to be objective as possible but we found ourselves taking one side as we waded through the arguments and counter arguments produced by vegetarian and meat eating Sikhs. One thing that has incensed us is the use of incorrect History and mistranslation to back up arguments. It was these points that we felt needed clarification and we hope the reader will find that this essay does that.

MISTRANSLATION AND MISREPRESENTATION OF THE SRI GURU GRANTH SAHIB JI
Some of the tukhs of the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji that are often mistranslated are as follows:

Those mortals who consume marijuana, flesh and wine - no matter what pilgrimages, fasts and rituals they follow, they will all go to hell. (SGGS p1377)
You kill living beings and worship lifeless things, at your very last moment, You will suffer terrible pain. (SGGS p332)

Do not say that the Vedas are false, false are those who do not reflect. If in all is one god, then why does one kill the hen ? (SGGS p1350)

Bhagat Kabir says, that the best food is eating kichree (daal/lentils) where nectar sweet is the salt. You eat hunted meat, but which animal is willing to have their head cut ? (SGGS p1374)
In this dark age of Kali Yuga, people have faces like dogs; They eat rotting dead bodies for food. (SGGS p1242)

Falsehood is my dagger and to eat by defrauding is meat.
(Guru Nanak Dev Ji. Sri Raaj p24)
Avarice is a dog, falsehood the sweeper and cheating the eating of meat.
(Guru Nanak Dev Ji. Sri Raag p15)

Let us analyse each one of these one by one.

1. Those mortals who consume marijuana, flesh and wine - no matter what pilgrimages, fasts and rituals they follow, they will all go to hell. (SGGS p1337)

In this instance let us firstly add the Gurmukhi with the English:

mukat padaarath paa-ee-ai thaak na avghat ghaat. ||231||
He obtains the treasure of liberation, and the difficult road to the Lord is not blocked. ||231||

kabeer ayk gharhee aaDhee gharee aaDhee hooN tay aaDh.
Kabeer, whether is is for an hour, half an hour, or half of that,

bhagtan saytee gostay jo keenay so laabh. ||232||
whatever it is, it is worthwhile to speak with the Holy. ||232||

kabeer bhaaNg maachhulee suraa paan jo jo paraanee khaaNhi.
Kabeer, those mortals who consume marijuana, fish and wine -

tirath barat naym kee-ay tay sabhai rasaatal jaaNhi. ||233||
no matter what pilgrimages, fasts and rituals they follow, they will all go to hell. ||233||

neechay lo-in kar raha-o lay saajan ghat maahi.
Kabeer, I keep my eyes lowered, and enshrine my Friend within my heart.

sabh ras khayla-o pee-a sa-o kisee lakhaava-o naahi. ||234||
I enjoy all pleasures with my Beloved, but I do not let anyone else know. ||234||

aath jaam cha-usath gharee tu-a nirkhat rahai jee-o.
Twenty-four hours a day, every hour, my soul continues to look to You, O Lord.

neechay lo-in ki-o kara-o sabh ghat daykh-a-u pee-o. ||235||
Why should I keep my eyes lowered? I see my Beloved in every heart. ||235||

sun sakhee pee-a meh jee-o basai jee-a meh basai ke pee-o.
Listen, O my companions: my soul dwells in my Beloved, and my Beloved dwells in my soul.

jee-o pee-o boojha-o nahee ghat meh jee-o ke pee-o. ||236||
I realize that there is no difference between my soul and my Beloved; I cannot tell whether my soul or my Beloved dwells in my heart. ||236||

kabeer baaman guroo hai jagat kaa bhagtan kaa gur naahi.
Kabeer, the Brahmin may be the guru of the world, but he is not the Guru of the devotees.

arajh urajh kai pach moo-aa chaara-o baydahu maahi. ||237||
He rots and dies in the perplexities of the four Vedas. ||237||

har hai khaaNd rayt meh bikhree haathee chunee na jaa-ay.
The Lord is like sugar, scattered in the sand; the elephant cannot pick it up.

kahi kabeer gur bhalee bujhaa-ee keetee ho-ay kai khaa-ay. ||238||
Says Kabeer, the Guru has given me this sublime understanding: become an ant, and feed on it. ||238||

kabeer ja-o tuhi saaDh piramm kee sees kaat kar go-ay.
Kabeer, if you desire to play the game of love with the Lord, then cut off your head, and make it into a ball.

khaylat khaylat haal kar jo kichh ho-ay ta ho-ay. ||239||
Lose yourself in the play of it, and then whatever will be, will be. ||239||

kabeer ja-o tuhi saaDh piramm kee paakay saytee khayl.
Kabeer, if you desire to play the game of love with the Lord, play it with someone with committment.

kaachee sarsa-uN payl kai naa khal bha-ee na tayl. ||240||
Pressing the unripe mustard seeds produces neither oil nor flour. ||240||

dhooNdhat doleh anDh gat ar cheenat naahee sant.
Searching, the mortal stumbles like a blind person, and does not recognize the Saint.

kahi naamaa ki-o paa-ee-ai bin bhagtahu bhagvant. ||241||
Says Naam Dayv, how can one obtain the Lord God, without His devotee? ||241||

har so heeraa chhaad kai karahi aan kee aas.
Forsaking the Diamond of the Lord, the mortals put their hopes in another.

[dandiwal_jatt]

...............
tay nar dojak jaahigay sat bhaakhai ravidaas. ||242||
Those people shall go to hell; Ravi Daas speaks the Truth. ||242||

kabeer ja-o garihu karahi ta Dharam kar naahee ta kar bairaag.
Kabeer, if you live the householder's life, then practice righteousness; otherwise, you might as well retire from the world.

bairaagee banDhan karai taa ko bado abhaag. ||243||
If someone renounces the world, and then gets involved in worldly entanglements, he shall suffer terrible misfortune. ||243||

Taking out the sentence we see

kabeer bhaaNg maachhulee suraa paan jo jo paraanee khaaNhi.
Kabeer, those mortals who consume marijuana, fish and wine -

tirath barat naym kee-ay tay sabhai rasaatal jaaNhi. ||233||
no matter what pilgrimages, fasts and rituals they follow, they will all go to hell. ||233||

Firstly note that maachlee is not flesh, but is indeed fish. The word in Punjabi for flesh is maas. Then secondly one must ask, why is there a forbidding in the consumption of fish specifically. The answer lies in reading the entire paragraph and a picture emerges. In the last two lines the statement is made:

kabeer ja-o garihu karahi ta Dharam kar naahee ta kar bairaag.
Kabeer, if you live the householder's life, then practice righteousness; otherwise, you might as well retire from the world.

bairaagee banDhan karai taa ko bado abhaag. ||243||
If someone renounces the world, and then gets involved in worldly entanglements, he shall suffer terrible misfortune. ||243||

Now putting this in its entire context what Bhagat Kabir is actually criticising in the rich and those in power. The thrill seekers, who are addicted to their senses and those addicted to the 5 thieves. Kabir was born around the area of Benares, and was brought up in a poor Muslim weavers family. He saw the excesses of the rich around him, while the poor starved. Foods like fish and wine were associated with the rich who had an excessive disposable income. Marijuana was associated with either idol people or those who had time and money to waste. Kabir abhorred this, and this statement is a social comment about the excesses of the rich. At the end he clearly states, that those people who do their duties as householders (i.e. work hard, care for other etc) are the ones who will be liberated, and those who live by excesses will suffer. One can therefore clearly see that this is in no way a comment about eating meat (because of mistranslation) or about avoiding certain foods (as has been misrepresented).

2. You kill living beings and worship lifeless things, at your very last moment, You will suffer terrible pain. (SGGS p332)

Again let us put this into its correct context:

ik-oNkaar satgur parsaad.
One Universal Creator God. By The Grace Of The True Guru:

jeevat pitar na maanai ko-oo moo-ayN siraaDh karaahee.
He does not honor his ancestors while they are alive, but he holds feasts in their honor after they have died.

pitar bhee bapuray kaho ki-o paavahi ka-oo-aa kookar khaahee. ||1||
Tell me, how can his poor ancestors receive what the crows and the dogs have eaten up? ||1||

mo ka-o kusal bataavhu ko-ee.
If only someone would tell me what real happiness is!

kusal kusal kartay jag binsai kusal bhee kaisay ho-ee. ||1|| rahaa-o.
Speaking of happiness and joy, the world is perishing. How can happiness be found? ||1||Pause||

maatee kay kar dayvee dayvaa tis aagai jee-o dayhee.
Making gods and goddesses out of clay, people sacrifice living beings to them.

aisay pitar tumaaray kahee-ahi aapan kahi-aa na layhee. ||2||
Such are your dead ancestors, who cannot ask for what they want. ||2||

sarjee-o kaateh nirjee-o poojeh ant kaal ka-o bhaaree.
You murder living beings and worship lifeless things; at your very last moment, you shall suffer in terrible pain.

[OYE_PAGAL]

I eat both, shouldnt be still do it :neutral:

[dandiwal_jatt]

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THE 84 MILLION INCARNATION ARGUMENT – ANIMAL, VEGETABLE, MINERAL.

The other argument that has been made over this issue is that there is some sort of hierarchy of incarnations within Sikhism of incarnations. Life goes through many incarnations (up to 84 million) before becoming human. In other words, life takes the form of incarnation in plant form, then animal, and then human. The idea being that animal form spiritually is closer to man. Biologically this maybe true, however, spiritually within Sikhism, this could not be further from the truth.

On page 176 of the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, the following is written:


ga-orhee gu-aarayree mehlaa 5.
Gauree Gwaarayree, Fifth Mehl:

ka-ee janam bha-ay keet patangaa.
In so many incarnations, you were a worm and an insect;


ka-ee janam gaj meen kurangaa.
in so many incarnations, you were an elephant, a fish and a deer.

ka-ee janam pankhee sarap ho-i-o.
In so many incarnations, you were a bird and a snake.

ka-ee janam haivar barikh jo-i-o. ||1||
In so many incarnations, you were yoked as an ox and a horse. ||1||

mil jagdees milan kee baree-aa.
Meet the Lord of the Universe - now is the time to meet Him.

chirankaal ih dayh sanjaree-aa. ||1|| rahaa-o.
After so very long, this human body was fashioned for you. ||1||Pause||

ka-ee janam sail gir kari-aa.
In so many incarnations, you were rocks and mountains;

ka-ee janam garabh hir khari-aa.
in so many incarnations, you were aborted in the womb;

ka-ee janam saakh kar upaa-i-aa.
in so many incarnations, you developed branches and leaves;

lakh cha-oraaseeh jon bharmaa-i-aa. ||2||
you wandered through 8.4 million incarnations. ||2||

saaDhsang bha-i-o janam paraapat.
Through the Saadh Sangat, the Company of the Holy, you obtained this human life.

kar sayvaa bhaj har har gurmat.
Do seva - selfless service; follow the Guru's Teachings, and vibrate the Lord's Name, Har, Har.

ti-aag maan jhooth abhimaan.
Abandon pride, falsehood and arrogance.

jeevat mareh dargeh parvaan. ||3||
Remain dead while yet alive, and you shall be welcomed in the Court of the Lord. ||3||

jo kichh ho-aa so tujh tay hog.
Whatever has been, and whatever shall be, comes from You, Lord.

avar na doojaa karnai jog.
No one else can do anything at all.

taa milee-ai jaa laihi milaa-ay.
We are united with You, when You unite us with Yourself.

kaho naanak har har gun gaa-ay. ||4||3||72||
Says Nanak, sing the Glorious Praises of the Lord, Har, Har. ||4||3||72||

Reading this Ang one can clearly see that the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji does not attach any particular order to how life is incarnated. In fact it states:

ka-ee janam sail gir kari-aa.
In so many incarnations, you were rocks and mountains;

ka-ee janam garabh hir khari-aa.
in so many incarnations, you were aborted in the womb;

ka-ee janam saakh kar upaa-i-aa.
in so many incarnations, you developed branches and leaves;

If you were to apply the logic of those that claim spiritually animal life is closer to human, then according to this a rock then becomes an aborted human foetus, then becomes a plant! It is only after this one becomes human. Surely then a plant is a closer form of life to human?

The Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji only proclaims one life form as being so precious. On page 50 of the Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji it states:


sireeraag mehlaa 5 ghar 2.
Siree Raag, Fifth Mehl, Second House:

go-il aa-i-aa go-ilee ki-aa tis damf pasaar.
The herdsman comes to the pasture lands-what good are his ostentatious displays here?


muhlat punnee chalnaa tooN sampal ghar baar. ||1||
When your allotted time is up, you must go. Take care of your real hearth and home. ||1||

har gun gaa-o manaa satgur sayv pi-aar.
O mind, sing the Glorious Praises of the Lord, and serve the True Guru with love.

ki-aa thorh-rhee baat gumaan. ||1|| rahaa-o.
Why do you take pride in trivial matters? ||1||Pause||

jaisay rain paraahunay uth chalsahi parbhaat.
Like an overnight guest, you shall arise and depart in the morning.

ki-aa tooN rataa girsat si-o sabh fulaa kee baagaat. ||2||
Why are you so attached to your household? It is all like flowers in the garden. ||2||

mayree mayree ki-aa karahi jin dee-aa so parabh lorh.
Why do you say, "Mine, mine?" Look to God, who has given it to you.

sarpar uthee chalnaa chhad jaasee lakh karorh. ||3||
It is certain that you must arise and depart, and leave behind your hundreds of thousands and millions. ||3||

lakh cha-oraaseeh bharmati-aa dulabh janam paa-i-o-ay.
Through 8.4 million incarnations you have wandered, to obtain this rare and precious human life.

naanak naam samaal tooN so din nayrhaa aa-i-o-ay. ||4||22||92||
O Nanak, remember the Naam, the Name of the Lord; the day of departure is drawing near! ||4||22||92||


So clearly, the Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji sees plants, animals, and minerals, on one level in terms of life, and then human form on another. To take the life of a plant is the same as an animal in terms of spirituality. The following Ang although a metaphor for how people who speak the truth are treated clearly shows the mind of the Guru’s when seeing life in all its form, be it plant, mineral or animal:

Page 143 of the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji

mehlaa 1.
First Mehl:

vaykh je mithaa kati-aa kat kut baDhaa paa-ay.
Look, and see how the sugar-cane is cut down. After cutting away its branches, its feet are bound together into bundles,


khundhaa andar rakh kai dayn so mal sajaa-ay.
and then, it is placed between the wooden rollers and crushed.

ras kas tatar paa-ee-ai tapai tai villaa-ay.
What punishment is inflicted upon it! Its juice is extracted and placed in the cauldron; as it is heated, it groans and cries out.

bhee so fog samaalee-ai dichai ag jaalaa-ay.
And then, the crushed cane is collected and burnt in the fire below.

naanak mithai patree-ai vaykhhu lokaa aa-ay. ||2||
Nanak: come, people, and see how the sweet sugar-cane is treated! ||2||


The folly of the argument that spiritually one is committing a bigger sin when killing an animal than a plant is a foolish one. The biological argument is a different one and is not tackled within the Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji, but that in itself shows, the choice of whether or not to eat meat is a personal one and has nothing to do with the Sikh religion.

[desipride24o7]

sikh people cant eat beef...

why?

[dandiwal_jatt]

..........

MEAT EATERS, ONLY EAT FOR TASTE OR DO VEGETARIANS AS WELL?

The most absurd argument that has been come across is that meat eaters only eat for taste, and too satisfy their taste buds. It is a selfish desire in other words, based on Greed and Egotism. The basis of this argument falls down with the fact that Vegetarian dishes (particularly on the Indian Subcontinent), are the most varied and most tasty of all dishes. To say that a vegetarian hates every mouthful of eating an Aubergine and Potatoes Curry and a meat eater loves every mouthful of Liver is indeed the weakest of all arguments. In fact page 61 of the Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji states:


jit tan naam na bhaav-ee tit tan ha-umai vaad.
That body which does not appreciate the Naam-that body is infested with egotism and conflict.

gur bin gi-aan na paa-ee-ai bikhi-aa doojaa saad.
Without the Guru, spiritual wisdom is not obtained; other tastes are poison.

bin gun kaam na aavee maa-i-aa feekaa saad. ||6||
Without virtue, nothing is of any use. The taste of Maya is bland and insipid. ||6||

aasaa andar jammi-aa aasaa ras kas khaa-ay.
Through desire, people are cast into the womb and reborn. Through desire, they taste the sweet and sour flavors.

MEAT EATING PROMOTES DEVIANT BEHAVIOUR OR DOES IT?

There is a train of thought amongst certain Sikhs that meat eating promotes cruel, aggressive or lustful behaviour. There have been numerous examples to show that this is simply not true. For example Adolf Hitler was a vegetarian, yet he was very cruel. In terms of aggressive behaviour, we have our own Sant Jarnail Singh Bhindranwala, who was a staunch vegetarian, yet very aggressive. The Kuka’s (Namdharia’s), were very violent and aggressive yet were strict vegetarians. As for lustful behaviour, one only has too look at the list of A list celebrities who are vegetarians and note their lustful behaviour.

This argument is a ridiculous one and is not mentioned anywhere within the Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji. It is true however, many vegetarians do suffer from anaemia (lack of iron), and this causes tiredness (and therefore probably more passive behaviour), however, this is again outside the scope of this essay.

HUKAMNAMA ALLEGED TO HAVE BEEM WRITTEN BY THE 6TH MASTER

Some pro-vegetarian sections of the Sikh following have produced an alleged Hukamnama that states that the Sikhs of the East were not to go near meat. Unfortunately, the sources that have produced this Hukamnama, have not been able to back it up with any evidence of its genuineness, from any Sikh scholars of note. There have been statements to the effect that Ganda Singh found this document and indeed published it (Two collections of Hukamnamas are available in print form, one edited by Dr. Ganda Singh published in 1968 by Punjabi University and the S.G.P.C), but this has not been verified by any of his contemporaries or any other Sikh scholars..

Historical evidence, in fact contradicts what Guru Hargobind ji was actually like. He was an avid hunter and warrior. Again this fact some have tried to dismiss as Guruji giving Mukhti to animals souls. This, however, contradicts the Guru’s own philosophy which clearly states that only God is capable of granting such things.

Infact Bhai Gudas in his Vars States:

"Just as one has to tie pail's neck while taking out water, Just as to get 'Mani', snake is to be killed; Just as to get Kasturi from deer's neck, deer is to be killed; Just as to get oil, oil seeds are to be crushed; To get kernel, pomegranate is to be broken; Similarly to correct senseless people, sword has to be taken up." (Bhai Gurdas, Var-34, pauri 13)

In fact such a hukamna would indeed contradict the one Guru Gobind Singh ji sent to his Sikhs in Kabul (ADVANCED STUDIES IN SIKHISM by Jasbir Singh and Harbans Singh.):

"Sarbat sangat Kabul Guru rakhe ga
Tusa ute asaadee bahut khusi hai
Tusi Khande da Amrit Panja to lena
Kes rakhne...ih asadee mohur hair;
Kachh, Kirpan da visah nahee karna
SARB LOH da kara hath rakhna
Dono vakat kesa dee palna karna
Sarbat sangat abhakhia da kutha
Khave naheen, Tamakoo na vartana
Bhadni tatha kanya-maran-vale so mel na rakhe
Meene, Massandei, Ramraiye ki sangat na baiso
Gurbani parhni...Waheguru, Waheguru japna
Guru kee rahat rakhnee
Sarbat sangat oopar meri khushi hai.

Patshahi Dasvi
Jeth 26, Samat 1756

(To the entire sangat at Kabul.
The Guru will protect the Sangat,
I am pleased with you all.
You should take baptism by the sword, from the Five Beloveds.
Keep your hair uncut for this is a seal of the Guru,
Accept the use of shorts and a sword.
Always wear IRON KARA on your wrist,
Keep your hair clean and comb it twice a day.
Do not eat Halal (Kosher) meat,
Do not use tobacco in any form,
Have no connection with those who kill their daughters
Or permit the cutting of their children's hair.
Do not associate with Meenas, Massands and Ram-raiyas (anti-Sikh cults)
Recite the Guru's hymns
Meditate on "The Name of our Wonderful Lord",
Follow the Sikh code of discipline
I give the entire sangat my blessing)

Signature of 10th Guru
Jeth 26, 1756 Bikrami (23rd May 1699 A.D)


As we know, there is no contradiction in the Guru’s message.

It should be noted also that there are a number of Hukamnama’s that have been found that also purport Sikhs to adopt Brahmanical religious tenets.

[dandiwal_jatt]

sikh people cant eat beef...
cow holds no special significance for us
we can eat beef

[desipride24o7]

.........

so basically the article is saying we are allowed to eat meat?..

...so how is beef any diffrent than every other animal

can someone please explain to me why most indian ppl think its wrong to eat beef? i never clearly understood the logic behind it and wanna know.

[dandiwal_jatt]

so basically the article is saying we are allowed to eat meat?..

...so how is beef any diffrent than every other animal

can someone please explain to me why most indian ppl think its wrong to eat beef? i never clearly understood the logic behind it and wanna know.
i think Sikhism does not specifically prohibit eating meat, but it does say (i think) that vegetarian lifestyle is better

but if u do eat meat, it doesn't matter if it's beef or chicken or pork or lamb....

[dandiwal_jatt]

but even in the olden times many Sikhs avoided eating beef in respect to their hindu brothers

[desipride24o7]

i think Sikhism does not specifically prohibit eating meat, but it does say (i think) that vegetarian lifestyle is better

but if u do eat meat, it doesn't matter if it's beef or chicken or pork or lamb....

thanks for posting up that article

[desipride24o7]

but even in the olden times many Sikhs avoided eating beef in respect to their hindu brothers

i think thats why my dad refuses to eat pork, because he was raised in afghaistan and then around 12 moved to pakistan

[dandiwal_jatt]

i think thats why my dad refuses to eat pork, because he was raised in afghaistan and then around 12 moved to pakistan
yeah that could be it
pork is considered haram in Islam
so he probably has the same mentality
i don't see anything wrong with that though (if some sikhs don't eat pork or beef)
it's personal choice

[aspaan]

As u know sikhs aren't souppoused to eat meat, but i know alot of sikhs that don't eat beef/pork. My dad doesn't eat pork but he eats beef. And my mom won't eat either.

I never made it a rule but, since neither are ever at our house I don't eat them.

Any of u?

umm where did you hear that

http://www.sikhs.org/meat.htm

dont spread ignorance please

[BoO bOo]

i dont eat beef/pork. it looks so disgusting. :Puker: i get full by looking at it.
my moms a vegi but my dad n bro b grubbin on pork n beef all the time. :Puker:

[bad_cheque]

As u know sikhs aren't souppoused to eat meat, but i know alot of sikhs that don't eat beef/pork. My dad doesn't eat pork but he eats beef. And my mom won't eat either.

I never made it a rule but, since neither are ever at our house I don't eat them.

Any of u?
You can eat jhatka meat not halal meat.

I see sikhs eating chicken all the time.

[Cunard]

holy fuck....so many stupid comments in here :no:


sikhs can eat meat.....for sikhs who are baptized...they can only eat jatka meat (just like muslims eat halal meat and jews eat kosher meat)

alot of sikhs come from India...India is not a big meat eating country compared to countries in the west...thus why some sikhs dont eat it

alot of sikhs avoid beef and pork in respect to hindus and muslims....(such as those who come from Afghanistan or India)...this lifestyle just sticks with them when they live in the west

its not very hard to google this and find a crediable sikh website


as for the thread starter complaining about the school.....well fuck...its a religious school...what do u expect them to tell u?

[aspaan]

You can eat jhatka meat not halal meat.

I see sikhs eating chicken all the time.

Dont worry she is a lil girl who thought she knew what she was talking about

[bad_cheque]

Dont worry he is a dumb ass who thought he knew what he was talking about
Not eating beef and pork is cultural. In North India Hindus don't touch pork probably because the Muslim view that pork is dirty is accepted by everyone (I kind of agree).

So these are cultural matters.

[dandiwal_jatt]

holy fuck....so many stupid comments in here :no:


sikhs can eat meat.....for sikhs who are baptized...they can only eat jatka meat (just like muslims eat halal meat and jews eat kosher meat)

alot of sikhs come from India...India is not a big meat eating country compared to countries in the west...thus why some sikhs dont eat it

alot of sikhs avoid beef and pork in respect to hindus and muslims....(such as those who come from Afghanistan or India)...this lifestyle just sticks with them when they live in the west

its not very hard to google this and find a crediable sikh website


as for the thread starter complaining about the school.....well fuck...its a religious school...what do u expect them to tell u?

thanks for summarizing the thread :-)

[desipride24o7]

holy fuck....so many stupid comments in here :no:


sikhs can eat meat.....for sikhs who are baptized...they can only eat jatka meat (just like muslims eat halal meat and jews eat kosher meat)

alot of sikhs come from India...India is not a big meat eating country compared to countries in the west...thus why some sikhs dont eat it

alot of sikhs avoid beef and pork in respect to hindus and muslims....(such as those who come from Afghanistan or India)...this lifestyle just sticks with them when they live in the west

its not very hard to google this and find a crediable sikh website


as for the thread starter complaining about the school.....well fuck...its a religious school...what do u expect them to tell u?

where did u get the idea of me complaining, i was just saying that what ive been taught at the school by the babji's who pray everday there at the gurdwara and they told me this was a part of our religion


and this whole jhatka stuff hasn't been taught to me maybe i should bring it up as a question, i didn't ever say i knew everything about sikhism as any other 15 year old girl i will learn.

[~JeN~]

There is no where in the GURU GRANTH SAHIB where it says that meat is forbidden. This is an age-old argument and even some of the gurus themselves ate it. We are ALLOWED to eat meat. However, halal meat is forbidden.

[BoO bOo]

gurudwara baba jis are so not in right mind coz they b smugglin drugs from vancouver to seattle. ssshh atleast dont do this stuff if ur associated with gurudwara and top of that if ur a preacher.

[Jatt18]

Most of the sikhs that dont eat meat are BAPTISED, but most other do eat meat...except Halal..becuz tha meat is prayed over while tha animal is being killed. :D and PS it dosent say anywhere in tha Sikh holy book that "sikhs shouldnt eat meat" God wouldnt force u on wat to eat!

[Space-Cowboy]

holy fuck....so many stupid comments in here :no:


sikhs can eat meat.....for sikhs who are baptized...they can only eat jatka meat (just like muslims eat halal meat and jews eat kosher meat)

alot of sikhs come from India...India is not a big meat eating country compared to countries in the west...thus why some sikhs dont eat it

alot of sikhs avoid beef and pork in respect to hindus and muslims....(such as those who come from Afghanistan or India)...this lifestyle just sticks with them when they live in the west

its not very hard to google this and find a crediable sikh website


as for the thread starter complaining about the school.....well fuck...its a religious school...what do u expect them to tell u?


Yup true..... and the thing is... why would you want to eat either beef or pork the fat content in those is plain nasty. People that think eating a beef or pork steak makes them look manly are full of shit..... the protein content in chicken and fish is MUCH MUCH higher, and the fat content is MUCH lower.

[BoO bOo]

Most of the sikhs that dont eat meat are BAPTISED, but most other do eat meat...except Halal..becuz tha meat is prayed over while tha animal is being killed. :D and PS it dosent say anywhere in tha Sikh holy book that "sikhs shouldnt eat meat" God wouldnt force u on wat to eat!
yeah! nothing is imposed on you forcibly. its ur own will if you wanna do it. guru granth doesnt stop you for anything.

[Space-Cowboy]

Most of the sikhs that dont eat meat are BAPTISED, but most other do eat meat...except Halal..becuz tha meat is prayed over while tha animal is being killed. :D and PS it dosent say anywhere in tha Sikh holy book that "sikhs shouldnt eat meat" God wouldnt force u on wat to eat!


I wish I were baptized :(

Even though I'm just Hindu, I like to partake in the other Indic faiths as well, meaning Buddhism and Sikhism. Even though the term 'Hindu' is there, I guess I consider myself as a Vedic more than anything.

[Vedism is essentially the philsophy of the Ultimate Reality, where religions like Hinduism came from]



[still a hardcore Hindu though, as it IS my culture ;)]

[bad_cheque]

I heard that the Rajputs in Rajasthan eat wild boars. :neutral:

My dad said he ate pork when he was in Delhi? :sarb:
Yeah they consider wild boar to be clean for some reason. It's not restricted to Rajasthan. I don't any of that anyway.

As for your dad, you must ask him hehe!

[bad_cheque]

Man, my dad will eat anything. He even tried dog when he was in Korea. :eek:
They serve dog meat in India too. Just that you never know when it is served. ;)

[-babyshizz-]

i eat all meat :neutral: .. nd yea i'm sikh

[snoop786]

Pork is so nasty

[bigr0ck]

I eat both.

[brown biotch]

I diasgree. Hinduism is about Polytheism (belief in many Gods). And Sikhism is about Monotheism (belief in ONE God).

The very principles in belief have nothing in common?

tru dat

[Hevan]

I think Cunards post summarizes everything.

[Space-Cowboy]

I diasgree. Hinduism is about Polytheism (belief in many Gods). And Sikhism is about Monotheism (belief in ONE God).

The very principles in belief have nothing in common?


You wanna maybe do some research before you post bullshit like this? Hinduism believes in ONE God.




I swear, why isn't there a minimum IQ test to join the forums.... :sarb:

[malkeet]

i eat beef, my parents dont. big debate in sikh religion as to whether or not we can eat meat. the akhal takht (sikh governing body) say that we can eat meat as long as its jhatka (we cant eat halal meat)

[HeppyG]

I eat beef sometimes if I go to Macdonalds, but dont eat halal meet! Sikhs are strictly NON HALAL

[NzIdol]

stopped 1 year ago

[*ApNi_KuRi*]

Actually if you do some research we are allowed to eat meat, just not Halal meat.

[SinghPimPin]

i love chicken.

[SinghPimPin]

Actually if you do some research we are allowed to eat meat, just not Halal meat.

yea, thank god my families not the only one that thinks that

other sikh people i know get real pissed when i say you're allowed ot eat meat, so i just do'nt mention it all now

[Shh! Dont tell]

I dont eat meat....



Although I wish I did. Them shish kebabs... :dribble:

[Shh! Dont tell]

yea, thank god my families not the only one that thinks that

other sikh people i know get real pissed when i say you're allowed ot eat meat, so i just do'nt mention it all now
We are??? Omgomgomgomg!!!!


Link me some sites.. or some quotes from the guru granth sahib... or PM them!!


I want to eat meaattt!! I just gotta prove my dad wrong.

[SinghPimPin]

We are??? Omgomgomgomg!!!!


Link me some sites.. or some quotes from the guru granth sahib... or PM them!!


I want to eat meaattt!! I just gotta prove my dad wrong.

From what i understand, it no where in the guru granth sahib states you're not allowed to eat meat. But don't get all excited and start punkin' your parents cos i might be wrong.

It does however state you shouldn't drink, smoke, or eat pork/fish/beef

But for real, I ain't no expert so i might be wrong.

[kohli_sahib]

You wanna maybe do some research before you post bullshit like this? Hinduism believes in ONE God.

I swear, why isn't there a minimum IQ test to join the forums.... :sarb:

agreed. some people around here are complete fucking retards.

but in any case, i do eat meat. i eat beef and pork, but never halal anything.

lately though i only eat beef VERY VERY rarely. and i mean like once ever couple of months. out of respect for my girlfriend and because it makes my nanima happy. but in anycase, whenever im at home i dont eat it, and when i eat out its always with my girlfriend, and she doesnt eat beef, so i wont either.

but who cares anyways, chicken > anything else.

[paulie walnuts]

I want to eat meaattt!! I just gotta prove my dad wrong.if you have never eaten it before, you will probably find it to be repulsive.

[Jatt18]

Are they Sikh?
WTF ARE U GUYS RETARDED..ITS A SIN FOR SIKHS TO EVEN TOUCH HALAL MEAT..WERE ONLY ALLOWED TO EAT JATKA MEAT..WHICH IS NOT SLOWLY KILLED AND PRAYED OVER FROM THA KORAN.

[Sumz.]

eating meat is not regarded as a great sin but avoiding meat at all is the safest way 2 avoid complications of beef, pork, halal etc

alot of sikhs dont eat halal since Guru Nanak who many muslims DID follow described this as wrong that animals are slaughtered in Gods name over sacred verses from the Quran

but i do eat all meat and i am a sikh and a practising one but one day i hope 2 stop and do everything i can that will help myself become a better person.