Russia becoming a Muslim state

[DesiTrix]

Imagine Russia in 2050! According to Paul Goble, a specialist on ethnic minorities in the Russian Federation has predicted that within the next several decades, Russia will become a Muslim majority state. There is another bad news with fast decline in country’s population. This has already become a headache for Russian politicians and policy makers. President Vladimir Putin has called already for Russian women to have more children, because demographers predict that Russia’s population will fall from 143 million to 100 million by 2050. This situation has alarmed Russians as well Western leaders, more so because analysts estimate that Muslims will comprise the majority group in Russia’s population in few decades.

The Muslim population growth rate since 1989 is between 40 and 50 percent, depending on ethnic groups. Today Russia has about 8,000 mosques while 15 years there were only 300 mosques. According to statistics, by the end of 2015, number of mosques in Russia will cross 25,000. These statistics are frightening for many ethnic Russians who associate Islam with the Kremlin’s war against insurgents in Chechnya. Russia is shrinking. Alarmed by the situation, Putin has offered incentives to women who will have more children.

He said that the government would offer 1,500 roubles for the first child, and 3,000 roubles for the second child. He further said that the government will offer financial incentives to those couples who will adopt Russian orphans. But, response to Vladimir Putin’s call is almost zero. Main reason behind fast decline in non-Muslim population in Russia is, particularly larger section of young females in the country is not in favor of having even any child. If someone has, that is also limited within one only. On the other hand, almost all the Muslim couples have at least three children. The number generally ranges between 3-5.

Talking to Blitz, a leader of Moscow’s most populated area said, if the growth of Muslim population continues in the present trend, with the serious decline in population of other religious communities, Russian might ultimately end up as a Muslim state in next two decades. He suggested massive propaganda in favor of having more children in country’s mass media as well increase in the amount of incentives. He also pointed to the fact that, in most cases, such incentives might again go to the Muslim mothers, who generally have more than one child. This is not the question of incentives; it is a matter of realization for the entire non-Muslim Russian population. They should understand that by limited number of children, they are gradually pushing the fate of the country towards an Islamic federation.

Commenting on the issue, a former diplomat said, after the fall of Soviet Union, unfortunately, the entire Russian nation has lost their nationalist spirit, because of poverty and other socio-political adversities. Now they fear in having more than a single child in the family as the cost of living has become extremely expensive, while in most cases, female members of the families are rather forced to work in various fields to bring extra money for their families.

He said, not only the number of Muslim population in Russia is on fast growth because the Muslim women have more than one child, but in recent years, a large number of Islamist NGOs are actively working in the country, which are playing desperate role in having very large number of newly converts in Islam from other religion. He further said, especially the atheist groups are gradually getting inclined towards Islam because of extensive propaganda and activities of the Islamist NGOs.

Highly educated scholars are engaged in giving sermons in mosques and other public places on a regular basis, which is putting tremendous impact on the minds of the people, especially the younger generation. These Islamic clerics are even with suits and clean shaven face. They speak different languages fluently, which is a very strong point for them to attract the attention of already educated Russian people, who are in serious economic and social distress.

He said, in contrary to activities of Islamist NGOs, there are virtually no or very few activities of missionaries of other religious faiths in Russia. Although the Islamist clerics and missions have their hidden and open missions in mind, from their faces and sermons, it is really difficult to identify anything. They initially spread the message of peace, and end up with the poison of religious hatred and jihad. These groups are even gradually capturing Russian media, through investments via Western countries, which are actually Arab money. They are even spending money in giving voice and strength to Muslim leadership, with the ultimate goal of taking over the power of Kremlin.

Comparing the new converted Russian Muslims with Muslims in other countries, he said, they are more fanatics and their beliefs are deep rooted in their minds and thoughts. They openly pronounce that, the main reason behind accepting Islam was as salvage. Poison of hatred has greatly influenced their minds. They instantly take the example of Chechnya, where Kremlin forces committed serious massacre. In their inner thoughts, there is a kind of hatred for Russian leaders and for the non-Muslims, and they want to take revenge of Chechnya case.

A senior journalist with Russian Interfax news agency told Blitz Afro-Arab sources are putting millions of dollars behind Islamist NGOs in Russia. In near future, quite a number of important seats in Russian parliament will also go into the hands of Muslim leaders. He said, in Russian press clubs, number of Muslim journalists is increasing steadily. He said, millions of dollars are spent for building mosques and Islamist institutions in different parts of Moscow and other parts in Russia. The Islamist NGOs even operate orphanages, where children from various religions are adopted and later converted to Islam.

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i hope it does become a Muslim state but without the fanatics

[fratty]

scary. But all of Europe is headed down the same path. Look at Sweden and France. They will soon have a large percentage of muslims. America is going to lose allies. THE ANGLOSPHERE is the only hope for America's influence to continue.

[xsilent_watersx]

scary. But all of Europe is headed down the same path. Look at Sweden and France. They will soon have a large percentage of muslims. America is going to lose allies. THE ANGLOSPHERE is the only hope for America's influence to continue.or their arms :neutral:

[Adnan786]

sorry to sound prodantic, but source?

[xsilent_watersx]

sorry to sound prodantic, but source?http://www.asiantribune.com/index.php?q=node/211

[Whizkid786]

What the fuck is so "scary" about this? I'm looking forward to it. Fuck all of you and the guy who wrote the article in such a pessimistic manner.

[ElDiablo]

Whats the big deal, muslims are meant to take over 'rome' peacefully from what ive read

Rome may just be the EU

who knows

its a weird world we live in

fratty-scary? ignorance is bliss

[fratty]

NO I believe in relgious plurality. I don't want there to be no more Russian Orthodox Christians. I mean its just sad that they are committing racial and cultural suicide. We have enough muslim majority countries anyways. Are you against Russians still being Russian. But its not like they can help it. Their liberal and socialistic societies are the reasons for this and the muslims are taking advantage. The Womb Bomb.

[ElDiablo]

NO I believe in relgious plurality. I don't want there to be no more Russian Orthodox Christians. I mean its just sad that they are committing racial and cultural suicide. We have enough muslim majority countries anyways. Are you against Russians still being Russian. But its not like they can help it. Their liberal and socialistic societies are the reasons for this and the muslims are taking advantage. The Womb Bomb.

lol like i said ignorance is bliss.

a Russian can be a muslim and still be a Russian. Many of Russias muslims were former christian middle-class men. People are willingly turning to islam becuase their just not happy with thier current way of living.


Your clearly not a smart man.

[Whizkid786]

NO I believe in relgious plurality. I don't want there to be no more Russian Orthodox Christians. I mean its just sad that they are committing racial and cultural suicide. We have enough muslim majority countries anyways. Are you against Russians still being Russian. But its not like they can help it. Their liberal and socialistic societies are the reasons for this and the muslims are taking advantage. The Womb Bomb.
You're a fucking moron.

[ElDiablo]

You're a fucking moron.
lol ur back?

sameer unbanned you?

[pimpkidman828]

YAY that's a good thing.

[fratty]

I hope that Pakistan returns to the Hindu fold. That would be a good thing. They would feel more apart of their past. I mean historically those were hindu lands.

[xsilent_watersx]

I hope that Pakistan returns to the Hindu fold. That would be a good thing. They would feel more apart of their past. I mean historically those were hindu lands.oh boy

[dark_man_x]

There is another bad news with fast decline in country’s population.

This situation has alarmed Russians as well Western leaders, more so because analysts estimate that Muslims will comprise the majority group in Russia’s population in few decades.


What a racist article.

[BloodRhymesRed]

I will write "All muslims should just kill each other, so they dont have to put up with not only the ignorance in themselves, those who are lost themselves, but also the other improperly informed religions"

God bless.

[kohli_sahib]

What the fuck is so "scary" about this? I'm looking forward to it. Fuck all of you and the guy who wrote the article in such a pessimistic manner.

what's not to be pesimistic about?

[HiGHland~Heather]

I could understand if this was a threat from immigrants because no matter how much we deny it, we're not white and our roots don't lie in our host countries.

Protecting their russian identity is one thing and understandable and encourable even, but I detest the way people are now trying to protect their so-called 'ideals'.......people change faith all the time - its not static!

Britain hasn't always been Christian, as fratty also mentioned Pakistan hasn't always been Muslim but so what? As long as their Russian culture and heritage is preserved...it shouldn't matter.

I thought religion was uber-personal in Russia anyway?

[..::Bobby::..]

Whats so scary? I'd love to see Muslim majority every-where. Rather then fags running around and gay marriages.

[fratty]

Well I will support Russians converting to Islam if you would have no problem of Hindus actively converting in Pakistan.

[fratty]

Whats so scary? I'd love to see Muslim majority every-where. Rather then fags running around and gay marriages.

How intolerant. If anything Gays and Bisexual should make alliances with Islam organizations because they share the same problems. They would mutually benefit from eachother's friendship.

[..::Bobby::..]

How intolerant. If anything Gays and Bisexual should make alliances with Islam organizations because they share the same problems. They would mutually benefit from eachother's friendship.
Interesting prospective to look at things from.

[HiGHland~Heather]

Well I will support Russians converting to Islam if you would have no problem of Hindus actively converting in Pakistan.

How can you really 'convert' someone....I still fail to see this concept outwith the whole 'forced conversion' perspective.

People actively read about Islam, talk to Muslims etc. an dMuslims invite people to Islam.

If you believe Hinduism is the 'truth' then why would you not invite people to it? Wouldn't that make you very selfish for hiding this 'truth' from the rest of the world?

Oh and is it me or was India not just criticised last week by the Pope for its ban on Christians 'proselytising'?

:idea:

[..::Bobby::..]

How can you really 'convert' someone....I still fail to see this concept outwith the whole 'forced conversion' perspective.

People actively read about Islam, talk to Muslims etc. an dMuslims invite people to Islam.

If you believe Hinduism is the 'truth' then why would you not invite people to it? Wouldn't that make you very selfish for hiding this 'truth' from the rest of the world?

Oh and is it me or was India not just criticised last week by the Pope for its ban on Christians 'proselytising'?

:idea:
Yes I have heard about that true. The Christians don't get the best of treatment in India.

[fratty]

Does Pakistan allow for conversions to take place? Wait isn't there Sharia law in Pakistan because of Zia. And isn't leaving Islam a unforgivable sin? One punishable by death.

[fratty]

Yes I have heard about that true. The Christians don't get the best of treatment in India.

Neither do they get favorable treatment in Pakistan. Kerala has a Christian majority. Yes, but still religious freedom is protected in the Indian Consitution. We even have muslim courts. I mean India practices more religious tolerance than Pakistan.

[mr ajnabi]

aahhh nothing new ' Islam will increase fall weak and then take over the word .

Quote : The holy qur'aan .

:eek:

[HiGHland~Heather]

Does Pakistan allow for conversions to take place? Wait isn't there Sharia law in Pakistan because of Zia. And isn't leaving Islam a unforgivable sin? One punishable by death.

Yes...it does.

No...only aspects.

Yes...in a Khilafah state, if they betray the state. The punishmentis for treason not apostasy per se.

[HiGHland~Heather]

Neither do they get favorable treatment in Pakistan. Kerala has a Christian majority. Yes, but still religious freedom is protected in the Indian Consitution. We even have muslim courts. I mean India practices more religious tolerance than Pakistan.

Prove it.

[bandogge]

lol like i said ignorance is bliss.

a Russian can be a muslim and still be a Russian. Many of Russias muslims were former christian middle-class men. People are willingly turning to islam becuase their just not happy with thier current way of living.


Your clearly not a smart man.

its more to do with the fact that in islamic culture there is a tendency to reproduce more.thereby increasing their population and growth of muslims.
Not that more people are converting to islam,which of course they are but it isnt the primary cause of increase in muslims %of population.

[nadiafreez]

Imagine Russia in 2050! According to Paul Goble, a specialist on ethnic minorities in the Russian Federation has predicted that within the next several decades, Russia will become a Muslim majority state. There is another bad news with fast decline in country’s population. This has already become a headache for Russian politicians and policy makers. President Vladimir Putin has called already for Russian women to have more children, because demographers predict that Russia’s population will fall from 143 million to 100 million by 2050. This situation has alarmed Russians as well Western leaders, more so because analysts estimate that Muslims will comprise the majority group in Russia’s population in few decades.

The Muslim population growth rate since 1989 is between 40 and 50 percent, depending on ethnic groups. Today Russia has about 8,000 mosques while 15 years there were only 300 mosques. According to statistics, by the end of 2015, number of mosques in Russia will cross 25,000. These statistics are frightening for many ethnic Russians who associate Islam with the Kremlin’s war against insurgents in Chechnya. Russia is shrinking. Alarmed by the situation, Putin has offered incentives to women who will have more children.

He said that the government would offer 1,500 roubles for the first child, and 3,000 roubles for the second child. He further said that the government will offer financial incentives to those couples who will adopt Russian orphans. But, response to Vladimir Putin’s call is almost zero. Main reason behind fast decline in non-Muslim population in Russia is, particularly larger section of young females in the country is not in favor of having even any child. If someone has, that is also limited within one only. On the other hand, almost all the Muslim couples have at least three children. The number generally ranges between 3-5.

Talking to Blitz, a leader of Moscow’s most populated area said, if the growth of Muslim population continues in the present trend, with the serious decline in population of other religious communities, Russian might ultimately end up as a Muslim state in next two decades. He suggested massive propaganda in favor of having more children in country’s mass media as well increase in the amount of incentives. He also pointed to the fact that, in most cases, such incentives might again go to the Muslim mothers, who generally have more than one child. This is not the question of incentives; it is a matter of realization for the entire non-Muslim Russian population. They should understand that by limited number of children, they are gradually pushing the fate of the country towards an Islamic federation.

Commenting on the issue, a former diplomat said, after the fall of Soviet Union, unfortunately, the entire Russian nation has lost their nationalist spirit, because of poverty and other socio-political adversities. Now they fear in having more than a single child in the family as the cost of living has become extremely expensive, while in most cases, female members of the families are rather forced to work in various fields to bring extra money for their families.

He said, not only the number of Muslim population in Russia is on fast growth because the Muslim women have more than one child, but in recent years, a large number of Islamist NGOs are actively working in the country, which are playing desperate role in having very large number of newly converts in Islam from other religion. He further said, especially the atheist groups are gradually getting inclined towards Islam because of extensive propaganda and activities of the Islamist NGOs.

Highly educated scholars are engaged in giving sermons in mosques and other public places on a regular basis, which is putting tremendous impact on the minds of the people, especially the younger generation. These Islamic clerics are even with suits and clean shaven face. They speak different languages fluently, which is a very strong point for them to attract the attention of already educated Russian people, who are in serious economic and social distress.

He said, in contrary to activities of Islamist NGOs, there are virtually no or very few activities of missionaries of other religious faiths in Russia. Although the Islamist clerics and missions have their hidden and open missions in mind, from their faces and sermons, it is really difficult to identify anything. They initially spread the message of peace, and end up with the poison of religious hatred and jihad. These groups are even gradually capturing Russian media, through investments via Western countries, which are actually Arab money. They are even spending money in giving voice and strength to Muslim leadership, with the ultimate goal of taking over the power of Kremlin.

Comparing the new converted Russian Muslims with Muslims in other countries, he said, they are more fanatics and their beliefs are deep rooted in their minds and thoughts. They openly pronounce that, the main reason behind accepting Islam was as salvage. Poison of hatred has greatly influenced their minds. They instantly take the example of Chechnya, where Kremlin forces committed serious massacre. In their inner thoughts, there is a kind of hatred for Russian leaders and for the non-Muslims, and they want to take revenge of Chechnya case.

A senior journalist with Russian Interfax news agency told Blitz Afro-Arab sources are putting millions of dollars behind Islamist NGOs in Russia. In near future, quite a number of important seats in Russian parliament will also go into the hands of Muslim leaders. He said, in Russian press clubs, number of Muslim journalists is increasing steadily. He said, millions of dollars are spent for building mosques and Islamist institutions in different parts of Moscow and other parts in Russia. The Islamist NGOs even operate orphanages, where children from various religions are adopted and later converted to Islam.

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i hope it does become a Muslim state but without the fanatics

i never knew bout this,

it would be cool if russia turned muslim, cuz russia is powerful.

but it kind of makes sense cuz half of soviet union has already broken into several muslim countries.

so half or soviet is already islam and now the remaining should accept it too. makes total sense

[nadiafreez]

aahhh nothing new ' Islam will increase fall weak and then take over the word .

Quote : The holy qur'aan .

:eek:


was that an exact quote dude.

can u find me the exact quote , i just wanna see it, cuz i've heard this alot

[Whizkid786]

lol ur back?

sameer unbanned you?
Yeah, douchebag was paid 10 bucks from me for a 4 year membership. Banning me is breach of contract.

[nadiafreez]

Neither do they get favorable treatment in Pakistan. Kerala has a Christian majority. Yes, but still religious freedom is protected in the Indian Consitution. We even have muslim courts. I mean India practices more religious tolerance than Pakistan.


duh 98 percent of the population is muslim , wat do u expect :p

and the christains rarely go through prejudice, im not totally denying it but its rare

[fratty]

http://www.religioustolerance.org/rt_pakis.htm

Just Read. It talks about the blasphemy law in Pakistan. That right there shows Pakistan's intolerance. And many Christians have been jailed because they have been falsely accused of blasphemy. A nation that was built on religious freedom would have no such thing as a blasphemy law.

[carpe_diem]

sorry to sound prodantic, but source?

Pedantic?

[Whizkid786]

Well I will support Russians converting to Islam if you would have no problem of Hindus actively converting in Pakistan.
There is no such thing as a forceful conversion going on in Russia. You're a fucking morong dude.People convert by choice. I'd really like to put a bullet in your head.

[fratty]

There is no such thing as a forceful conversion going on in Russia. You're a fucking morong dude.People convert by choice. I'd really like to put a bullet in your head.

Ok there is no forceful conversion, but its not like Muslims have not used battlefield conversion. I mean all religions have done this. And you're an idiot. A cunt rag more like it.

[nadiafreez]

http://www.religioustolerance.org/rt_pakis.htm

Just Read. It talks about the blasphemy law in Pakistan. That right there shows Pakistan's intolerance. And many Christians have been jailed because they have been falsely accused of blasphemy. A nation that was built on religious freedom would have no such thing as a blasphemy law.


online sources arnt really trustable

but im not denying that its totally false

but christains are 2 percent, which is really small number and usually people dont bother them

the ones who are racist to them, should be jailed for being pathetic

[fratty]

There is no such thing as a forceful conversion going on in Russia. You're a fucking morong dude.People convert by choice. I'd really like to put a bullet in your head.

Actually, come on and put a bullet in my head. I will be a martyr against Islamic fanaticism.

[fratty]

online sources arnt really trustable

but im not denying that its totally false

but christains are 2 percent, which is really small number and usually people dont bother them

the ones who are racist to them, should be jailed for being pathetic

Thats a very credible website. They talk about all countries. They are not biased.

[FatGeezer]

Does Pakistan allow for conversions to take place? Wait isn't there Sharia law in Pakistan because of Zia. And isn't leaving Islam a unforgivable sin? One punishable by death.
dont you ever get tired of the taste of bullshit in your mouth?

[HiGHland~Heather]

http://www.religioustolerance.org/rt_pakis.htm

Just Read. It talks about the blasphemy law in Pakistan. That right there shows Pakistan's intolerance. And many Christians have been jailed because they have been falsely accused of blasphemy. A nation that was built on religious freedom would have no such thing as a blasphemy law.

repost.

It applies to everyone equally, you also can't denegrate Mary, Mother of Jesus or Isa (as) himself....

Miscarriages of justice are a different matter....but everyone should remain within the law of the country....disrepcting or making blasphemous comments is punishable in Pak and people should respect that.

No one ever said Pak was secular. Religious freedom also includes repsect for people's faith so I think it fits in perfectly fine...don't insult God or prophets and you'll be fine.

[Whizkid786]

Actually, come on and put a bullet in my head. I will be a martyr against Islamic fanaticism.
lol, yeah. The one guy that stood up against all might Islamic fundamentalism! OOhhhh yeah....

[HiGHland~Heather]

Actually, come on and put a bullet in my head. I will be a martyr against Islamic fanaticism.

More like a victim of your own stupidity.

:rofl:

[FatGeezer]

Ok there is no forceful conversion, but its not like Muslims have not used battlefield conversion. I mean all religions have done this. And you're an idiot. A cunt rag more like it.
anyone who moans about "forced" conversion is just a pussy. How the hell can someone make you change what you beleive in your HEART?

dont tell me now, the muslim forcing the conversions are "psychic" and can look in your heart and will kill you if your heart hasnt embraced Islam.

Oh well, just shows muslims are psychic then. in that case muslims>you

[FatGeezer]

Oh, and Mr "concerned" individual, after all you barking the other day why'd you act like a whipped pussy and not post on the Islamica forum?

[HiGHland~Heather]

Oh well, just shows muslims are psychic then. in that case muslims>you

you always manage to make me chuckle :lol:

[FatGeezer]

you always manage to make me chuckle :lol:
riddiculing the stupid is easy...

[mr ajnabi]

was that an exact quote dude.

can u find me the exact quote , i just wanna see it, cuz i've heard this alot




Islam will increase fast in these days ' and then there will be signs of judgement day where islam will start fading ... people will go to masjid but there will be no 1 to lead the prayer ' people will lose knowlege and the book it self will dissaper ' people will say what is laa ila ha illalah ?? ' hence qayaamat approaches !!! but then the muslim will emerge stronger and powerful more then ever ... we face a war with not just the jews but also the anti christ (Dajjal ) the *%8%% '' and we have prophet Isa (jesus ) and Imam mhadi ' we will take over the world and every 1 will strongly embrace Islam .

A time will come of peace and love ' where a little boy will be able to put his hand in a lions mouth and a boy can play with a snake happily ' thats just few signs of the peace when it will rain .

I dont personally think we will live to see that time . :(

Theres not many quotes on it but its in the book and the hadith i let you know some time in which chapter it is and so on .

[fratty]

anyone who moans about "forced" conversion is just a pussy. How the hell can someone make you change what you beleive in your HEART?

dont tell me now, the muslim forcing the conversions are "psychic" and can look in your heart and will kill you if your heart hasnt embraced Islam.

Oh well, just shows muslims are psychic then. in that case muslims>you

Are you saying historically Muslim conquerers never forcibly converted kaffirs? I mean they gave them three choices: Islam, jaziya, or death. You never even answered me with that shit. They actively converted. Christians did it too. Everyone has done it.

[fratty]

Islam will increase fast in these days ' and then there will be signs of judgement day where islam will start fading ... people will go to masjid but there will be no 1 to lead the prayer ' people will lose knowlege and the book it self will dissaper ' people will say what is laa ila ha illalah ?? ' hence qayaamat approaches !!! but then the muslim will emerge stronger and powerful more then ever ... we face a war with not just the jews but also the anti christ (Dajjal ) the *%8%% '' and we have prophet Isa (jesus ) and Imam mhadi ' we will take over the world and every 1 will strongly embrace Islam .

A time will come of peace and love ' where a little boy will be able to put his hand in a lions mouth and a boy can play with a snake happily ' thats just few signs of the peace when it will rain .

I dont personally think we will live to see that time . :(

Theres not many quotes on it but its in the book and the hadith i let you know some time in which chapter it is and so on .

What you really think the end of the World is coming. You guys are crazy. Thats like all those hokey Christians believing we are living in the End of Times.

[mr ajnabi]

What you really think the end of the World is coming. You guys are crazy. Thats like all those hokey Christians believing we are living in the End of Times.

so what do u think my friend what are your views ' all i know is we all are different and its good to know what we different people think with different minds ??

:neutral:

[HiGHland~Heather]

Are you saying historically Muslim conquerers never forcibly converted kaffirs? I mean they gave them three choices: Islam, jaziya, or death. You never even answered me with that shit. They actively converted. Christians did it too. Everyone has done it.

*jiza is a tax - much like the zakah tax...but that's irrelevant.

Point FatGeezer was making is, someone can change their name and even say they are Muslim....but truly in their heart they believe something else and hence pass on their real beliefs to their descendants so by your theory these people who were forced should have reverted back to their 'real' beliefs after the Muslim leaders had gone/defeated...

You can control actions, behaviour and even words but not what is in people's hearts.....and without a sincere heart - you're not a muslim thus they 'forced conversions' are a misnomer in Islam.

Get it? probably not.... :rolleyes:

[mr ajnabi]

*jiza is a tax - much like the zakah tax...but that's irrelevant.

Point FatGeezer was making is, someone can change their name and even say they are Muslim....but truly in their heart they believe something else and hence pass on their real beliefs to their descendants so by your theory these people who were forced should have reverted back to their 'real' beliefs after the Muslim leaders had gone/defeated...

You can control actions, behaviour and even words but not what is in people's hearts.....and without a sincere heart - you're not a muslim thus they 'forced conversions' are a misnomer in Islam.

Get it? probably not.... :rolleyes:

:wavey:

so sweet where ever i go ' in a islam or muslim related thread i see you standing up and defending or particapating .

god bless u * :)

[HiGHland~Heather]

:wavey:

so sweet where ever i go ' in a islam or muslim related thread i see you standing up and defending or particapating .

god bless u * :)


JK.

That's sweet, I always note that you are an optimist - very endearing, esp on here.


:)

[FatGeezer]

Are you saying historically Muslim conquerers never forcibly converted kaffirs? I mean they gave them three choices: Islam, jaziya, or death. You never even answered me with that shit. They actively converted. Christians did it too. Everyone has done it.
Typical of an amoeaba you fail to comprehend "HOW DOES ANYONE KNOW WHAT BELEIF IS IN YOUR HEART"?

If a muslim is FORCED to eat pork (like they were by the hindus and sikhs as a form of abuse before being killed and dumped in wells under british governed india), does that make them non-muslims? If YOUR beleif system dictates how you act with free will absent then youve got a shitty superficial beleif.

[nadeem078]

hi guys.. this is great news..

[nadiafreez]

*jiza is a tax - much like the zakah tax...but that's irrelevant.

Point FatGeezer was making is, someone can change their name and even say they are Muslim....but truly in their heart they believe something else and hence pass on their real beliefs to their descendants so by your theory these people who were forced should have reverted back to their 'real' beliefs after the Muslim leaders had gone/defeated...

You can control actions, behaviour and even words but not what is in people's hearts.....and without a sincere heart - you're not a muslim thus they 'forced conversions' are a misnomer in Islam.

Get it? probably not.... :rolleyes:


he has no answer to that :p

[Irreligious Left]

Europe's steady decline continues.

[fratty]

*jiza is a tax - much like the zakah tax...but that's irrelevant.

Point FatGeezer was making is, someone can change their name and even say they are Muslim....but truly in their heart they believe something else and hence pass on their real beliefs to their descendants so by your theory these people who were forced should have reverted back to their 'real' beliefs after the Muslim leaders had gone/defeated...

You can control actions, behaviour and even words but not what is in people's hearts.....and without a sincere heart - you're not a muslim thus they 'forced conversions' are a misnomer in Islam.

Get it? probably not.... :rolleyes:

What they were never left or were defeated. They remained. It only took Muslims 17 years to take over Persia. They stayed there for years. It took years for the Persians to overthrow their Arab conquerers. I mean Muslim conquerers came to India but they could not subdue the Indians. Their jihad against India was for over 800 years. But India still came out on top.

[HiGHland~Heather]

What they were never left or were defeated. They remained. It only took Muslims 17 years to take over Persia. They stayed there for years. It took years for the Persians to overthrow their Arab conquerers. I mean Muslim conquerers came to India but they could not subdue the Indians. Their jihad against India was for over 800 years. But India still came out on top.

Contradict much?

I wish for your own sake, that you actually made sense.

[FatGeezer]

he has no answer to that :p
he doesnt have an answer to alot of things.

so instead he'll go make another flame nonsense thread. The workings of an amoeba mind i suppose.

[FatGeezer]

What they were never left or were defeated. They remained. It only took Muslims 17 years to take over Persia. They stayed there for years. It took years for the Persians to overthrow their Arab conquerers. I mean Muslim conquerers came to India but they could not subdue the Indians. Their jihad against India was for over 800 years. But India still came out on top.


loll! such a nitwit.

How can you campare a RELIGION with a COUNTRY!

dont tell me. India=hindus full stop?

oh, and losing around a fifth of its territory i wouldnt call "coming out on top"

Thats like me chopping your right arm off and you saying yea you still won!

[dandiwal_jatt]

u guys need to get over it, stop hating on muslims, do some desi non-muslims have an inferiority complex or sumthing? gosh get over it

[DesiTrix]

u guys need to get over it, stop hating on muslims, do some desi non-muslims have an inferiority complex or sumthing? gosh get over it

For the desis I would say 30% is the "baap ketha hai, so hai" complex. Many of them are ignorant or they don't have knowledge, that is why they go on and on...

Most of it is coming from the 9/11 issue. Some have actually studied Islam and recognized it as a religion of peace either by converting or by saying it's a religion of peace. (I have a 2 new Muslim friends since last year: one was a Sikh and the other a Christian)

Some on the other hand have been brainwashed by the media and others because all they hear are these words "Islam, Muslim, Terrorists, Jihad, Fundamentalists, WMD, Osama,etc..etc..." all these words mixed together and then they buy that bull.

[Adnan786]

http://www.asiantribune.com/index.php?q=node/211

how the hell did you know?

[(outlandish)]

aahhh nothing new ' Islam will increase fall weak and then take over the word .

Quote : The holy qur'aan .

:eek:


dude dont quote the Quran when you are not sure that is even mentioned in there.

[(outlandish)]

Islam is not a new phenomenon in Russia.. Islam has been in Russia ever since the days of the Caliphs. I guess people are making a big deal out of it because after the fall of communism, Muslims are returning to their religion, which was banned by the soviets... the same resurgence is happening in Central Asia, Southeast Europe, and China...


The first Muslims in modern-day Russian territory were Daghestani people (region of Derbent) after the Arab conquests (8th century). The first Muslim state was Volga Bulgaria (922) Tatars inherited the religion from that state. Later most of European and Caucasian Turkic peoples also became followers of Islam.


Kievan Rus also had a chance to be converted to Islam from Volga Bulgarian missionairs, but East Slavs accepted Orthodox Christianity.

some famous mosques in russia

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/8d/Vladikaukaz.jpg


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1c/Kazan_kremlin_at_night.JPG/800px-Kazan_kremlin_at_night.JPG

[(outlandish)]

What they were never left or were defeated. They remained. It only took Muslims 17 years to take over Persia. They stayed there for years. It took years for the Persians to overthrow their Arab conquerers. I mean Muslim conquerers came to India but they could not subdue the Indians. Their jihad against India was for over 800 years. But India still came out on top.

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actually you need to read into persian history.. Islam came their due to the Arab expansion, but Islam was not forced on the Persian masses.. mideval Persia had many Jews, Christians, especially of the Nestorian Sect... Persians retained their language and made many contributions to the religion.. some of the greatest early Islamic scholars were Persian.. .all this changed after the Mongol invasions..
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From http://www.ucalgary.ca/applied_history/tutor/islam/mongols/ilkhanate.html

"Many Christians in the region [Persia] saw the Mongols as saviours, hoping that by decimating Islam's adherents, the faith itself would also be destroyed. Indeed, in return for Christian support, the Mongols - some of whom were Nestorian Christian themselves - spared Christian churches and communities from their pillaging."


"The Mongol invasion of the Islamic heartland had mixed effects. On one hand, the Islamic world never regained its previous power. Much of the six centuries of Islamic scholarship, culture, and infrastructure was destroyed as the invaders burned libraries, replaced mosques with Buddhist temples, and destroyed intricate irrigation systems....

On the other hand, the Mongol invasion was not entirely negative for the Islamic world. Perhaps the most significant achievement for the Muslims under Mongol rule was their ability to absorb the Mongols into their Islamic culture, rather than allowing its destruction at Mongol hands. This feat can be seen in the triumph of the Islamic faith over Mongol shamanism and Buddhism. It had occurred so quickly, in fact, that only 40 years after the fall of the Abbasid caliphate in 1258, the Mongols responsible for it had themselves adopted Islam as the official religion of their empire. "
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so its much more complicated then Arabs came and forced Islam on Persia..

[BloodRhymesRed]

Bravo @ Highlander_Heather & (Outlandish) :applause:

[(outlandish)]

Are you saying historically Muslim conquerers never forcibly converted kaffirs? I mean they gave them three choices: Islam, jaziya, or death. You never even answered me with that shit. They actively converted. Christians did it too. Everyone has done it.



jaziya is just payment to the islamic state...in return, non-Muslims dont have to serve in the army and they are exempt from paying the Zakat tax that Muslims have to pay... people convert because they believe the religion, 85% of India chose not to convert.... and thats up to them

[ElDiablo]

yeh i find it funny these anti muslims comment on the tax.

Everyone living in a civilised country has to pay taxes...in return the state looks after you when your too old, sick etc.

It was the same then, you paid your jiziya tax which was smaller than the zakat the muslims had to pay. In return you got to practice your religion, have your own court of law, live in a country where theres an army protecting you and as a non muslim you dont even need to fight.

thats a pretty good deal, yall had it better off than muslims. The only thing was the fact that u knew ur living in a muslim state.

[(outlandish)]

i wonder where fratty ran off to

[KhanNoonienSingh]

its hilarious that Islam has taken such a strong hold in the caucasus/central asia/russia/eastern europe/persia... basically the homeland of the indo-iranians... who took over Europe, and those (Europe/America) are now fervently holding onto their manufactured culture. they're kind of cornered.

[KhanNoonienSingh]

What you really think the end of the World is coming. You guys are crazy. Thats like all those hokey Christians believing we are living in the End of Times.
hey! those hokey christians brought you the internet, walmart, mcdonald's, breast implants, the clothes you're wearing, the music you listen to, the movies you watch and all that good stuff. :squint:

[indianshredder]

There's nothing really wrong with any race of people spreading anywhere in the world, including Muslims. Most are just hardworking, law-abiding people that want improvement for self and their families. But when it ges to the point that a few extremists here and there try to hurt and or discriminate against others for not sharing the same ideals and religious denominations, it becomes a problem.

In this case, it seems like that's what's bound to happen.

[xthroughmyeyesx]

Actually, come on and put a bullet in my head. I will be a martyr against Islamic fanaticism.

I'm with you, brother.

[insomniac987]

who cares if muslims make up a majority? :sarb:

[nadiafreez]

I hope that Pakistan returns to the Hindu fold. That would be a good thing. They would feel more apart of their past. I mean historically those were hindu lands.


i dont know if u guys realize how dumb u guys sound when u say that.

the matter of fact is the whole world used to believe in multiple gods whether it be europ or middle east or south asia

judiasm , christianity and islam is the just the new series of religion which god sent upon us.

and by the way its the same god.

did u know that prophet muhammad had to fight idol worshippers for years in mecca before it fell to islam

and by the way im not in anyway saying that idol worshipping is wrong and yes i know that idols are just used as symbols to reach god, just incase u bring that up

[Meow_randi]

Kabhi Nahi!!!! :D

If only Tsars/romanovs were alive today there would be no muslims in Russia

[jattPuth]

1 billion to 2 billion to 3 billion muslims, who cares?

The fact is let them have 4 billion, yet you still won't see a Islamic superpower country, we can;t even see one with 1-2 billion muslims lol, the fact is because they are too backward and the only half developed muslim nations are due 2 oil, that wil soon be gone