Is black music racist?

[Sona9999]

Anyway, this is my first topic in the SD section. So am keeping it pretty simple and straight forward rather then copy and pasting a massive article.

Anyway from personal experiences and am not going to lie, I do enjoy rap and R'n'B. However some of the music is pretty racist I mean for instance take Kanya (?) West. If you actually listen to the lyrics he is mainly blaming the whites for all the problems of the blacks. And its not only him, there are many other artists doing the same.

Now if the tables were turned and it was white people making music about blacks creating all the problems such as drugs, guns, abuse of women ect, ect. - The stuff which is true due to the rise of gang culture, there would be an outcry, the black community would be out in arms to protest against it.

The blacks sometimes remind me of Jews who cry out antisemitism every time you try and raise a few points with them, its the same thing what blacks do generally if someone was to raise the issue about this he/she would be labeled a racist if the person was not black.

[SharpenedMango]

before u make some sweeping generalisations,
i strongly strongly strongly suggest you read the history of minorities in america..
until the likes of martin luther king, jfk, johnson and malcolm X, afro-americans did have a bit of a raw deal in america,
how raw the deal was,
well thats up2u to read up on :)

[paulie walnuts]

so what?

a lot of racist comments are truthful

[aspaan]

so what?

a lot of racist comments are truthful

well why does a rapper has the right to diss white ppl and keep saying "****** this ****** that"

but when it comes to white ppl saying anything ....... its the same ol answer "SALVERY"

fuck off

get over it

What is reatrded is peeps like tupac shakur are given the title of thug angel

he was a fucking criminal

[rex_maximus]

black people had a raw deal, yes.

they weren't they only ones, not by a far shot.

they should focus their energies on improving the status of their people, not whining and conviniently blaming 'whitey' like always.

relating to the topic of this thread, rap music definately is very, very racist and crude. not only is it explicitely racist, but violent, immoral, classless, insipid, and highly derogatory towards women.

i can scarcely believe that people that claim to be petty criminals or from the 'ghetto' actually take pride in what is really being the trash of society.

even more incredulous is how women don't seem to have the slightest bit of problem with being addressed as b***h, s**t, and brainless sexual objects in general.

[DesiPrince005]

Anyway, this is my first topic in the SD section. So am keeping it pretty simple and straight forward rather then copy and pasting a massive article.

Anyway from personal experiences and am not going to lie, I do enjoy rap and R'n'B. However some of the music is pretty racist I mean for instance take Kanya (?) West. If you actually listen to the lyrics he is mainly blaming the whites for all the problems of the blacks. And its not only him, there are many other artists doing the same.

Now if the tables were turned and it was white people making music about blacks creating all the problems such as drugs, guns, abuse of women ect, ect. - The stuff which is true due to the rise of gang culture, there would be an outcry, the black community would be out in arms to protest against it.

The blacks sometimes remind me of Jews who cry out antisemitism every time you try and raise a few points with them, its the same thing what blacks do generally if someone was to raise the issue about this he/she would be labeled a racist if the person was not black.

ohh great..this site seems to be infecting itself with more racist each day
well sona...i hope u have a ball
lets hear about how rap music makes u feel less accepted by the black community and what thugs u think they are... ;)


btw...do u guys actually go out of ur way to surround urself with the 2% of black people that buy into the "ghetto" lifestyle..and tolerate you and ur bigotry?

most blacks dont even bother with you (they know how racist and hypocritical desis are)

i bet most people here would be too afraid to be around real black people who are actually aware of their history and are smart...who are trying to make changes in their community and laugh at the you racist-minded fools who actually think most black people sit around and listen to gangster rap all day.

does kanye threaten you??? because he represents alot of black people that understand institutional racism?
does it scare u that much? does his arrogance and accusations make u feel like u dont "know" the black community anymore?
wake up...none of you really know black people at all :p

[Mz_Newyawk]

i dont know about that
but my parents r definitely rascists when i listen to rap\rnb they think whoever raps o is a hip hop artist is black!
and they temme good girls dont listen to rap :no:
and oh raggaeton too!

[Understanding]

Anyway, this is my first topic in the SD section. So am keeping it pretty simple and straight forward rather then copy and pasting a massive article.

Anyway from personal experiences and am not going to lie, I do enjoy rap and R'n'B. However some of the music is pretty racist I mean for instance take Kanya (?) West. If you actually listen to the lyrics he is mainly blaming the whites for all the problems of the blacks. And its not only him, there are many other artists doing the same.

Now if the tables were turned and it was white people making music about blacks creating all the problems such as drugs, guns, abuse of women ect, ect. - The stuff which is true due to the rise of gang culture, there would be an outcry, the black community would be out in arms to protest against it.

The blacks sometimes remind me of Jews who cry out antisemitism every time you try and raise a few points with them, its the same thing what blacks do generally if someone was to raise the issue about this he/she would be labeled a racist if the person was not black.


Uuuuummm not 2 be technical but 4 what its worth BLACK people in the States cannot be racists. Why? B/c of the core definition of racism which is: "An economic system in which one group of people rule over and/or oppress another group of people and benefit from it economically." Racist ideology in this country started out with the belief that blacks were inferior 2 whites and the reason why whites told themselves this is b/c they were supposedly "good Christians" and their collective consciences were f**king with them so they needed some sort of justification 4 their actions. As far as artists like Kanye West and others ... some of what they say is valid and the proof can be found in study after study and in lawsuit after lawsuit in terms of police brutality, banks in certain areas giving loans 2 white applicants in record numbers but refusing qualified black applicants. I read of a study done by a Think Tank located in N.Y.C in which they sent white males who had just gotten out of prison 2 go look 4 jobs and then black males who had no criminal record but had a high school diploma. They sent them 2 close 2 a thousand locations and u know what their research uncovered? Well whaddya' know ... overwhelmingly the white applicants were called back 4 second or third interviews and even hired while an interestingly low number of black applicants were called back .. let alone hired. So ... at least some [NOT ALL] companies have been exposed by their own peers [a predominantly white, social sciences-oriented think tank] that they would rather hire a white ex-con than a black male with no criminal record :no:. Now, please don't misunderstand me. Blacks DO have their share of self-inflicted problems and sometimes black people can be their own worst enemy but that does not negate the reality that is racism is still painfully alive and well. And not just as it relates 2 Black people ... desis too. Particularly in this post 9/11 Era.

[Understanding]

black people had a raw deal, yes.

they weren't they only ones, not by a far shot.

they should focus their energies on improving the status of their people, not whining and conviniently blaming 'whitey' like always.

relating to the topic of this thread, rap music definately is very, very racist and crude. not only is it explicitely racist, but violent, immoral, classless, insipid, and highly derogatory towards women.

i can scarcely believe that people that claim to be petty criminals or from the 'ghetto' actually take pride in what is really being the trash of society.

even more incredulous is how women don't seem to have the slightest bit of problem with being addressed as b***h, s**t, and brainless sexual objects in general.

I won't disagree with some of what u say about rap music. On the other hand though I have 2 caution against over-generalizing. The music u refer 2, while crude and sexist and whatever else u may call it, is what a large percentage of people purchase and support whether they be white, black, desi, latin whatever. However there is waaaay more rap music out here that is not sexist and violent and any other negative adjectives u can think of. U just won't see record companies pushing it b/c there is no demand 4 it and yet ... its still out there ... by the tons. I could name a bunch of artists off the top of my head who don't support bullsh*t and who advocate not only societal and political change but personal, spiritual change and u've probably never heard of them. It is what it is.

[SharpenedMango]

so what?

a lot of racist comments are truthful


by its very nature a racist comment is Not truthful.
because it is a comment that has been blinded by prejudice.

[Sona9999]

Uuuuummm not 2 be technical but 4 what its worth BLACK people in the States cannot be racists. Why? B/c of the core definition of racism which is: "An economic system in which one group of people rule over and/or oppress another group of people and benefit from it economically."

This is just playing semantics; let’s not debate upon a definition of word the issue is about ethics and morals.

Racist ideology in this country started out with the belief that blacks were inferior 2 whites and the reason why whites told themselves this is b/c they were supposedly "good Christians" and their collective consciences were f**king with them so they needed some sort of justification 4 their actions.

Classic blame the white man argument, you’re talking about something which happened in the past, hell most of the blacks who are racists an artist in the music industry were not even born. When racism towards blacks in America was high, and even those blacks who were treated like inferior beings surely did not act the way blacks act in today’s society. How man black people do you see condemning rap and Hip-hop? Or gang culture? So how can blacks justify their actions in today’s modern society? I believe the real issue is blacks don’t actually care and do not want to do anything about it.

As far as artists like Kanye West and others ... some of what they say is valid and the proof can be found in study after study and in lawsuit after lawsuit in terms of police brutality, banks in certain areas giving loans 2 white applicants in record numbers but refusing qualified black applicants.

Lol, so if you get refused a bank loan it’s already to kill a white man or be racist to them? I don’t’ see how that argument works. For a start the blacks don’t have a very good image, and is that the fault of the white man? It’s the fault of hip-hop and rap. Hell I would even refuse a loan to a black man not because am racist just because I would be thinking he might go out and spend it on drugs or go out and buy a gun – why because that is what black culture is about. Don’t proliferate killing and the abuse of women. Then people might tend so see blacks in a different light.

I read of a study done by a Think Tank located in N.Y.C in which they sent white males who had just gotten out of prison 2 go look 4 jobs and then black males who had no criminal record but had a high school diploma. They sent them 2 close 2 a thousand locations and u know what their research uncovered? Well whaddya' know ... overwhelmingly the white applicants were called back 4 second or third interviews and even hired while an interestingly low number of black applicants were called back ..

This doesn’t really mean anything we don’t know anything about the circumstances or which jobs they applied for. And who could be sure the employers were white? Could be any race.

Now, please don't misunderstand me. Blacks DO have their share of self-inflicted problems and sometimes black people can be their own worst enemy but that does not negate the reality that is racism is still painfully alive and well. And not just as it relates 2 Black people ... desis too. Particularly in this post 9/11 Era.

Yeah more so then the rest of us, Well Desis are pretty much more intellectual then say of a black person, I think one can look at achievement records based on ethnicity and you will see that blacks are generally under achievers. Desis are being targeted by a few idiots, I’ve seen Latinos and Brazilians hate on Desis. The white community is a lot more reserved. Blacks are to blame for a lot of society’s ills I know people who have listen to Tupac lyrics and flipped the next night and just basically turn into a pain in the ass. Blacks have never made any academic achievements for a very long time. There are hardly any black doctors or lecturers.

For instance in another thread, there is a black female saying ratedesi is racist and she has apparently made a movie about it. I've seen on here blacks attack concepts such as national socialism. And yet be "rocking" a Marxist-Leninist Ideology.

[Understanding]

Wow. A lot of misconceptions 2 address here SONA9999 but I'll give it my best shot ...



Classic blame the white man argument, you’re talking about something which happened in the past, hell most of the blacks who are racists an artist in the music industry were not even born. When racism towards blacks in America was high, and even those blacks who were treated like inferior beings surely did not act the way blacks act in today’s society. How man black people do you see condemning rap and Hip-hop? Or gang culture? So how can blacks justify their actions in today’s modern society? I believe the real issue is blacks don’t actually care and do not want to do anything about it.

*:ugh: What planet are u on and how much do u know about black culture? Where the hell were u when black ministers were out in the streets marching against the record companies and artists that were putting out and or producing gansta' rap music? I guess the name C. Delores Tucker doesn't ring a bell? She's a black woman and became the face of the anti-gansta rap movement so get your facts straight. LOL @ "blacks actually don't care and do not want to do anything about it". That has 2 be one of the most idiotic statements I've ever read ... anywhere. That's a slap in the face 2 all rap artists out here who are not doing gansta' rap. And there are plenty but that's another subject.



Lol, so if you get refused a bank loan it’s already to kill a white man or be racist to them? I don’t’ see how that argument works. For a start the blacks don’t have a very good image, and is that the fault of the white man? It’s the fault of hip-hop and rap. Hell I would even refuse a loan to a black man not because am racist just because I would be thinking he might go out and spend it on drugs or go out and buy a gun – why because that is what black culture is about. Don’t proliferate killing and the abuse of women. Then people might tend so see blacks in a different light.

*Who said anything about killing white men? Show me where anyone said anything like that? I certainly haven't heard any black people saying any dumb sh*t like that so stop talking psychotic. Its a known fact that black people are their own worst enemy. We kill each other ... not white people and we certainly don't go around talking all the time about killing white people. U sound grossly disconnected from reality. U talk about black people going out and buying guns like they are more prone 2 acts of gun violence than white people but u're full of sh*t cuz' I see just as much
stuff on T.V about gun violence related 2 white people as I do blacks. Ask the people in Columbine how THEY feel about guns. Or better yet ... ask the people in that town outside of Seattle where the guy left a rave party 2 go home, got a gun and then killed six people 4 no reason and then blew his own brains out. It should be noted that his guns had been taken away from him previously. And how many stories have we heard on the news about white kids all over the country gettin' busted and arrested 4 bragging @ sites like MYSpace 4 talking about going 2 school 2 shoot and kill people? Also, the last time I checked gun culture was being praised by old white men like Charleton Heston who is the head of the National Rifle Association. Not many black people in that organization are there? Please.

This doesn’t really mean anything we don’t know anything about the circumstances or which jobs they applied for. And who could be sure the employers were white? Could be any race.

*In all cases the employers were white so don't play stupid. Otherwise it wouldn't have been deemed newsworthy. Duuuuh:ugh:!


Yeah more so then the rest of us, Well Desis are pretty much more intellectual then say of a black person, I think one can look at achievement records based on ethnicity and you will see that blacks are generally under achievers. Desis are being targeted by a few idiots, I’ve seen Latinos and Brazilians hate on Desis. The white community is a lot more reserved. Blacks are to blame for a lot of society’s ills I know people who have listen to Tupac lyrics and flipped the next night and just basically turn into a pain in the ass. Blacks have never made any academic achievements for a very long time. There are hardly any black doctors or lecturers.

*There is a saying: "Its better 2 keep quiet and be thought a fool than 2 open your mouth and remove all doubt." I see its too late 4u. Dr. BENJAMIN CARSON is considered the best Neurosurgeon in the world. EDWARD TUNGSTAL works 4 JPL and was the Lead Robotics Engineer on the Mars Land Rover Project. The former Managing Editor of the New York Times is a black man. The current Editor of TIME Magazine is a black man. The co-creator and Executive Producer of one of the best shows on T.V "Grey's Anatomy" is a black woman. Dr. Cornell West, noted lecturer and author, used 2 be a professor @ Harvard but he left there and went to Princeton ... I can name a slew of blacks operating as Cheif Operating Officer or higher in corporate America. The COO of Land Rover/Jaguar is black. The Executive Vice-President @ Ford Motor Company is black. I've said this be4 but the CEO's of American Express, Time Warner AOL and Maxwell House are black while u ... are misguided ... but in a semi-humorous, non-factual sort of way :p .

[HiGHland~Heather]

Understanding: :D

[Understanding]

Understanding: :D

I'm trying :wavey:

[Indian_Eyess]

because white people actually DID tread black people like shit for over 150 years

[rex_maximus]

I won't disagree with some of what u say about rap music. On the other hand though I have 2 caution against over-generalizing. The music u refer 2, while crude and sexist and whatever else u may call it, is what a large percentage of people purchase and support whether they be white, black, desi, latin whatever. However there is waaaay more rap music out here that is not sexist and violent and any other negative adjectives u can think of. U just won't see record companies pushing it b/c there is no demand 4 it and yet ... its still out there ... by the tons. I could name a bunch of artists off the top of my head who don't support bullsh*t and who advocate not only societal and political change but personal, spiritual change and u've probably never heard of them. It is what it is.

i hear you.

my previous post might reveal a certain bit of frustation on my part, about how an undoubtedly good genre of rap has turned into a stereotyped and abused formula for making $$.

of fairly recently, it was discovered by the players of the industry that overly aggrandized themes of violence, extravagance, and hedonism tend to sell far better than more talneted content. ever since then, the rap genre has just been raped over by artists and producers alike, who're recycling the same old crappy formula over and over again, relegating real talent to the shadows. what's worse is that the masses are swallowing it up like anything....whether this be due to effective marketing schemes, or due to the majority's overall preference of low class party/hedonism/$$$ themes over more quality talent.

anyone who compares both the lyrical and musical content of late 80's and 90's rap.....to the overwhelmingly similar recycled crap of today....will see for themselves the huge and unfortunate drop in quality and talent. when 2pac and biggie did gangster rap, they promoted themes of survival in a harsh environment, and hopes of better futures for their family/friends. it was deep, genuiine, ephatic, and respectful. now, its almost completely about every other fool showing how much of a badass he is coz of how many drugs he sold, how many bitches he slapped, how much he's partying, and how much bling he got. i think eminem said it best when he said "Pissed off, cause Biggie and 'Pac just missed all this....Watchin all these cheap imitations get rich off 'em and get dollars that shoulda been there's like they switched wallets"

anyway, thats just me.

coming back to the topic at hand, theres far more to african american culture than rap, that should get far more attention. african americans also have the very important added task of trying to better their standing in the community, and thats where their efforts should go into. blaming the white man isn't gonna do squat.

and finally, i totally agree with Desiprince005.....desis are some of THE most racist and ethnically close minded people....its just coz of our culture.

[Understanding]

i hear you.

my previous post might reveal a certain bit of frustation on my part, about how an undoubtedly good genre of rap has turned into a stereotyped and abused formula for making $$.

of fairly recently, it was discovered by the players of the industry that overly aggrandized themes of violence, extravagance, and hedonism tend to sell far better than more talneted content. ever since then, the rap genre has just been raped over by artists and producers alike, who're recycling the same old crappy formula over and over again, relegating real talent to the shadows. what's worse is that the masses are swallowing it up like anything....whether this be due to effective marketing schemes, or due to the majority's overall preference of low class party/hedonism/$$$ themes over more quality talent.

anyone who compares both the lyrical and musical content of late 80's and 90's rap.....to the overwhelmingly similar recycled crap of today....will see for themselves the huge and unfortunate drop in quality and talent. when 2pac and biggie did gangster rap, they promoted themes of survival in a harsh environment, and hopes of better futures for their family/friends. it was deep, genuiine, ephatic, and respectful. now, its almost completely about every other fool showing how much of a badass he is coz of how many drugs he sold, how many bitches he slapped, how much he's partying, and how much bling he got. i think eminem said it best when he said "Pissed off, cause Biggie and 'Pac just missed all this....Watchin all these cheap imitations get rich off 'em and get dollars that shoulda been there's like they switched wallets"

anyway, thats just me.

coming back to the topic at hand, theres far more to african american culture than rap, that should get far more attention. african americans also have the very important added task of trying to better their standing in the community, and thats where their efforts should go into. blaming the white man isn't gonna do squat.

and finally, i totally agree with Desiprince005.....desis are some of THE most racist and ethnically close minded people....its just coz of our culture.

Co-sign everything u said ...

[shiahazara]

Most desis face the most rascism from black people and not white people. White folks are good at hiding bias. Black people are incredibly offensive in their language, behavior and seem to have no regard for others as a minority...especially desis.

[Danish_S]

Most desis face the most rascism from black people and not white people. White folks are good at hiding bias. Black people are incredibly offensive in their language, behavior and seem to have no regard for others as a minority...especially desis.


i dont know bout the whole black ppl n white ppl deal tht ur tlkin bout. n if tht is the case then honest ppl are better then shady ppl. n in tht case many desi's dont have regards for their own kind.

[Understanding]

Most desis face the most rascism from black people and not white people. White folks are good at hiding bias. Black people are incredibly offensive in their language, behavior and seem to have no regard for others as a minority...especially desis.

"White folks are good @ hiding bias ..." Interesting. But is that a good thing? I don't think so. I actually think that's kinda' scary. When I read articles and watch pieces on T.V about desis claiming discrimination in the workplace or claiming they've been the victim of a hate crime [Post 9/11] not once [in what I have seen] were black people involved. U say that black people are "incredibly offensive in their langauge and their behavior" but does that "behavior" involve violence against desis? Now I am sure there are exceptions but 4 the most part its been white people treating desis like they've treated black people 4 years. DO u honestly feel that black people coined the hurtful term "Sand Ni**er" :rolleyes: ? Terms like that were forged by groups like The Skinheads, The Ku Klux Klan, The Aryan Nations and The Montana Freemen while they clutched their rifles @ rallies screaming about how all people of color had better go back 2 where they came from or they will all be "eliminated" in the coming Race War :no:.

[Understanding]

i dont know bout the whole black ppl n white ppl deal tht ur tlkin bout. n if tht is the case then honest ppl are better then shady ppl. n in tht case many desi's dont have regards for their own kind.

"HONEST PEOPLE ARE BETTER THAN SHADY PEOPLE" ... true. Dealing with shady people is like sleeping with the enemy. U don't know where u stand with them until they're slowly pulling the knife out of your back as they smile @ u.

[southystyle]

yeah i was watching this movie the other day with Chris Tucker and some Sheen guy..

tucker wouldn't shut with all the.."come her white boy.." "ahhh crazy white boy.." "what would a white boy know.." etc.

was getting annoying..i kept thinking that if the jokes were reversed, there would be heaps of :no:'s

[Sona9999]

What planet are u on and how much do u know about black culture? Where the hell were u when black ministers were out in the streets marching against the record companies and artists that were putting out and or producing gansta' rap music? I guess the name C. Delores Tucker

So just because a few token blacks did a little march I don’t see that as some sort of an achievement for blacks. The people you talk about act more white then black.

LOL @ "blacks actually don't care and do not want to do anything about it". That has 2 be one of the most idiotic statements I've ever read

I don’t believe it is, I don’t see black parents stopping their kids from joining gangs and that is they do have one of the parents usually the mother as many black man runway from responsibility. So I don’t see black mothers stopping their kids, or teaching them something which is relevant. If a few blacks are out marching and the rest are just doing what they have always been doing this is not a “collective” mentality change for blacks. It just means there are some blacks who see the reality of their own culture. I mean for instance if blacks don’t like whites much then why do they follow the religion of their former masters Christianity?

anywhere. That's a slap in the face 2 all rap artists out here who are not doing gansta' rap. And there are plenty but that's another subject.

It would be a slap if blacks actually stopped buying the records. Then I’d say yes finally the black community has left its monkey brain mentality and has made an achievement.

Who said anything about killing white men? Show me where anyone said anything like that? I certainly haven't heard any black people saying any dumb sh*t like that so stop talking psychotic. We kill each other ... not white people and we certainly don't go around talking all the time about killing white people.

hmmmmmmm are you sure about that?

"To all my Universal Soldier's: stay at attention while
I strategize an invasion; the mission be assassination, snipers
hitting Caucasians with semi-automatic shots heard around the world;
my plot is to control the globe and hold the world hostage. . . .
see, I got a war plan more deadlier than Hitler. . . . lyrical
specialist, underworld terrorist. . . . keep the unity thick like
mud. . . . I pulling out gats , launching deadly attacks"; --"Blood
for Blood"; Killarmy, Silent Weapons for Quiet Wars, 1997, Wu-Tang
Records, Priority Records, The EMI Group, United Kingdom.

"Like my *****s from South Central Los Angeles they
found that they couldn't handle us; Bloods, CRIPS, on the same squad,
with the Essays up, and *****, it's time to rob and mob and break the
white man off something lovely"; --"The Day the *****z Took Over"; Dr
Dre, The Chronic, 1993, Interscope Records, under Time Warner in
1993.

Kill the white people; we gonna make them hurt; kill the white
people; but buy my record first; ha, ha, ha"; "Kill d'White People";
--Apache, Apache Ain't Shit, 1993, Tommy Boy Music, Time Warner, USA.

"*****s in the church say: kill whitey all night long. .
. the white man is the devil. . . . the CRIPS and Bloods are
soldiers I'm recruiting with no dispute; drive-by shooting on this
white genetic mutant. . . . let's go and kill some rednecks. . . .
Menace Clan ain't afraid. . . . I got the .380; the homies think I'm
crazy because I shot a white baby; I said; I said; I said: kill
whitey all night long. . . . a ***** dumping on your white ass; fuck
this rap shit, *****, I'm gonna blast. . . . I beat a white boy to
the motherfucking ground"; "Kill Whitey"; --Menace Clan, Da Hood,
1995, Rap-A-Lot Records, Noo Trybe Records, subsidiaries of what was
called Thorn EMI and now is called The EMI Group, United Kingdom.

So if anyone’s psychotic its black men.

U talk about black people going out and buying guns like they are more prone 2 acts of gun violence than white people but u're full of sh*t cuz' I see just as much
stuff on T.V about gun violence related 2 white people as I do blacks.

Having a gun to protect you is one thing having a gun to “rock” a gangster image is another thing. Also white people don’t go out buy a gun and talk about killing blacks. They buy the gun to protect them self’s from blacks who try to rob them and kill them. Didn’t rap an artist called “Proof” recently pull a gun out and shoot someone over a verbal argument? Blacks are “trigger happy” whites are a lot more careful with guns sane white men don’t shoot people over a verbal argument while playing pool.

Ask the people in Columbine how THEY feel about guns. Or better yet ... ask the people in that town outside of Seattle where the guy left a rave party 2 go home, got a gun and then killed six people 4 no reason and then blew his own brains out.

And did you hear about: A white couple, Todd and Stacy Bagley who were kidnapped on the way to church, lit on fire, burned to death and shot in the head by four blacks. Or Three white teenagers, Michael Carter,
Dustin Kaiser and (girl's name withheld by police) who were attacked by six black youths. Carter is shot and killed. Kaiser is beaten and shot in the head, but recovers. The girl is forced to perform oral sex on her black attackers, pistol whipped and shot in the face. Or perhaps you heard of: An eight year old white child, Kevin Shiffiet, is killed when his throat is slit by a black who also stabs his 80 year old great grandmother and punches her in the chest. Police find a hand rambling note stating. "Kill them raceess whiate kidd's anyway".?

In all cases the employers were white so don't play stupid. Otherwise it wouldn't have been deemed newsworthy

Seems like propaganda, there is a Jewish monopoly over the media.

Dr. BENJAMIN CARSON is considered the best Neurosurgeon in the world. EDWARD TUNGSTAL works 4 JPL and was the Lead Robotics Engineer on the Mars Land Rover Project. The former Managing Editor of the New York Times is a black man. The current Editor of TIME Magazine is a black man. The co-creator and Executive Producer of one of the best shows on T.V "Grey's Anatomy" is a black woman. Dr. Cornell West, noted lecturer and author, used 2 be a professor @ Harvard but he left there and went to Princeton ... I can name a slew of blacks operating as Cheif Operating Officer or higher in corporate America. The COO of Land Rover/Jaguar is black. The Executive Vice-President @ Ford Motor Company is black. I've said this be4 but the CEO's of American Express, Time Warner AOL and Maxwell House are black while u ... are misguided ... but in a semi-humorous, non-factual sort of way

Again you’re talking about a few token blacks; the majority of the blacks do not act this way they act in an uncivilized way. I really don’t see how someone can take a few blacks and believe they are some grand achievement for the black race.

[E.I.Walrus]

Sona9999- You say that a few succesfull blacks dont count for the rest of the black population, yet you use a few examples to judge the whole race. Hypocrisy I must say.

[The Anti Desi]

black people had a raw deal, yes.

they weren't they only ones, not by a far shot.

they should focus their energies on improving the status of their people, not whining and conviniently blaming 'whitey' like always.

relating to the topic of this thread, rap music definately is very, very racist and crude. not only is it explicitely racist, but violent, immoral, classless, insipid, and highly derogatory towards women.

i can scarcely believe that people that claim to be petty criminals or from the 'ghetto' actually take pride in what is really being the trash of society.

even more incredulous is how women don't seem to have the slightest bit of problem with being addressed as b***h, s**t, and brainless sexual objects in general.
I never understood how this boosted spirit and morale.

I hardly see any rappers talking explicitly about the actual slavery issue and the civil rights movement in a historical context, something that could truly evolve their image.

[Sona9999]

Sona9999- You say that a few succesfull blacks dont count for the rest of the black population, yet you use a few examples to judge the whole race. Hypocrisy I must say.

There are far more violent acts committed by blacks then any other race on the planet - facts speak for themselves. Most in American jails are blacks.

[vimi]

Rap comes from the heart if its racist then thats just how it is.

[vimi]

Anyway, this is my first topic in the SD section. So am keeping it pretty simple and straight forward rather then copy and pasting a massive article.

Anyway from personal experiences and am not going to lie, I do enjoy rap and R'n'B. However some of the music is pretty racist I mean for instance take Kanya (?) West. If you actually listen to the lyrics he is mainly blaming the whites for all the problems of the blacks. And its not only him, there are many other artists doing the same.

Now if the tables were turned and it was white people making music about blacks creating all the problems such as drugs, guns, abuse of women ect, ect. - The stuff which is true due to the rise of gang culture, there would be an outcry, the black community would be out in arms to protest against it.

The blacks sometimes remind me of Jews who cry out antisemitism every time you try and raise a few points with them, its the same thing what blacks do generally if someone was to raise the issue about this he/she would be labeled a racist if the person was not black.
Are black people supose to have a curtin kind of music?

[E.I.Walrus]

There are far more violent acts committed by blacks then any other race on the planet - facts speak for themselves. Most in American jails are blacks.

Can you show me some statistical data to back this up from a *reliable* source.

[jspot]

its called guilt. White people are now feeling guilty for what they have been doing to blacks for the past few centuries that they turn their heads when blacks point the finger.

[Sona9999]

Can you show me some statistical data to back this up from a *reliable* source.

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/glance/jailrair.htm
http://www.statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?id=461

[jspot]

yeah i was watching this movie the other day with Chris Tucker and some Sheen guy..

tucker wouldn't shut with all the.."come her white boy.." "ahhh crazy white boy.." "what would a white boy know.." etc.

was getting annoying..i kept thinking that if the jokes were reversed, there would be heaps of :no:'s
I remember jackie chan calling chris tucker out in one of the rush hours. that was funny.

[E.I.Walrus]

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/glance/jailrair.htm

Serious violent crime rates declined in recent years for both blacks and whites.
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/glance/race.htm

You can see that violent crimes commited by blacks have dropped significantly, less than the amount of crimes commited by whites in 1973.

[Sona9999]

Serious violent crime rates declined in recent years for both blacks and whites.
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/glance/race.htm

You can see that violent crimes commited by blacks have dropped significantly, less than the amount of crimes commited by whites in 1973.

http://www.statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?id=461

[southystyle]

i have a statistic for you...

87% of statistics are made up :idea:

[southystyle]

what is stupid is how most black rappers continue to blame white people for everything, when most of the crime they get involved in is black on black...

how the hell is anything supposed to change if yall are robbing and killing each other :sarb:

at least centuries ago, the black people were united for their cause...

thats why i got so much respect for tupac, he actually addressed all the roots of the problem, not just the white man

[E.I.Walrus]

http://www.statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?id=461

I see there is no convincing you.

Interesting point to not is, that from that link, Pakistani, bangladeshi and Black male students are almost on the same boat.

[The Anti Desi]

Serious violent crime rates declined in recent years for both blacks and whites.
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/glance/race.htm

You can see that violent crimes commited by blacks have dropped significantly, less than the amount of crimes commited by whites in 1973.
I can understand it has dropped, but that does not disprove Sona's contention that blacks have a higher crime rate and greater jail population.

[The Anti Desi]

what is stupid is how most black rappers continue to blame white people for everything, when most of the crime they get involved in is black on black...

how the hell is anything supposed to change if yall are robbing and killing each other :sarb:

at least centuries ago, the black people were united for their cause...

thats why i got so much respect for tupac, he actually addressed all the roots of the problem, not just the white man
I would have to agree. They had a greater cause back in the days, and people would support them then. But now, it is difficult to understand what they fight for.

[E.I.Walrus]

I can understand it has dropped, but that does not disprove Sona's contention that blacks have a higher crime rate and greater jail population.

My point is that it has dropped, rather than increased given all the present circumstances.

There are many social factors as too why blacks are more prone to crime, I believe your environment shapes you. Let's see it hypothetically, a white man and a black man grew up on the same neighbourhood, same family status, same annual income ,same social circle etc but according to *statistics*, the black man is more prone to violence than the white man? I don't think so.

[Sona9999]

I see there is no convincing you.

Interesting point to not is, that from that link, Pakistani, bangladeshi and Black male students are almost on the same boat.

But the Pakistanis and Bangladeshis are also more likely to own businesses. So it suggests most Pakistani Bangladeshi and Indians are entrepreneurs. Do far better then blacks.

[E.I.Walrus]

But the Pakistanis and Bangladeshis are also more likely to own businesses. So it suggests most Pakistani Bangladeshi and Indians are entrepreneurs. Do far better then blacks.

How typical.

[Sona9999]

My point is that it has dropped, rather than increased given all the present circumstances.

There are many social factors as too why blacks are more prone to crime, I believe your environment shapes you. Let's see it hypothetically, a white man and a black man grew up on the same neighbourhood, same family status, same annual income etc, but according to *statistics*, the black man is more prone to violence than the white man? I don't think so.

That is beyond the point. You're trying to have a hypothetical argument here, so its going to be what ever you want to to be. You can't take facts and turn them into hypotheses' and debate on them.

[The Anti Desi]

Again you’re talking about a few token blacks; the majority of the blacks do not act this way they act in an uncivilized way. I really don’t see how someone can take a few blacks and believe they are some grand achievement for the black race.
At least you support and congratulate these black men for their achievements in and of themselves, right???

[E.I.Walrus]

That is beyond the point. You're trying to have a hypothetical argument here, so its going to be what ever you want to to be. You can't take facts and turn them into hypotheses' and debate on them.

No. I am just giving an example.

I don't judge a whole race by 'facts' and 'statistics', I try to look at it from all viewpoints and not stick to one opinion.

[rex_maximus]

I never understood how this boosted spirit and morale.

I hardly see any rappers talking explicitly about the actual slavery issue and the civil rights movement in a historical context, something that could truly evolve their image.


that would take eloquence, and actual talent.

there are artists who touch on those issues, but that's hardly the kind of stuff the public wants to hear.

sadly, themes of unconditional hedonism have come to be accepted as the norm. anything else doesn't strike the fancy of the tasteless public, and hence doesn't sell records.

[Sona9999]

At least you support and congratulate these black men for their achievements in and of themselves, right???

Yes for sure.

[Indian_Eyess]

There are far more violent acts committed by blacks then any other race on the planet - facts speak for themselves. Most in American jails are blacks.
not really

[Understanding]

So just because a few token blacks did a little march I don’t see that as some sort of an achievement for blacks. The people you talk about act more white then black.



I don’t believe it is, I don’t see black parents stopping their kids from joining gangs and that is they do have one of the parents usually the mother as many black man runway from responsibility. So I don’t see black mothers stopping their kids, or teaching them something which is relevant. If a few blacks are out marching and the rest are just doing what they have always been doing this is not a “collective” mentality change for blacks. It just means there are some blacks who see the reality of their own culture. I mean for instance if blacks don’t like whites much then why do they follow the religion of their former masters Christianity?



It would be a slap if blacks actually stopped buying the records. Then I’d say yes finally the black community has left its monkey brain mentality and has made an achievement.



hmmmmmmm are you sure about that?

"To all my Universal Soldier's: stay at attention while
I strategize an invasion; the mission be assassination, snipers
hitting Caucasians with semi-automatic shots heard around the world;
my plot is to control the globe and hold the world hostage. . . .
see, I got a war plan more deadlier than Hitler. . . . lyrical
specialist, underworld terrorist. . . . keep the unity thick like
mud. . . . I pulling out gats , launching deadly attacks"; --"Blood
for Blood"; Killarmy, Silent Weapons for Quiet Wars, 1997, Wu-Tang
Records, Priority Records, The EMI Group, United Kingdom.

"Like my *****s from South Central Los Angeles they
found that they couldn't handle us; Bloods, CRIPS, on the same squad,
with the Essays up, and *****, it's time to rob and mob and break the
white man off something lovely"; --"The Day the *****z Took Over"; Dr
Dre, The Chronic, 1993, Interscope Records, under Time Warner in
1993.

Kill the white people; we gonna make them hurt; kill the white
people; but buy my record first; ha, ha, ha"; "Kill d'White People";
--Apache, Apache Ain't Shit, 1993, Tommy Boy Music, Time Warner, USA.

"*****s in the church say: kill whitey all night long. .
. the white man is the devil. . . . the CRIPS and Bloods are
soldiers I'm recruiting with no dispute; drive-by shooting on this
white genetic mutant. . . . let's go and kill some rednecks. . . .
Menace Clan ain't afraid. . . . I got the .380; the homies think I'm
crazy because I shot a white baby; I said; I said; I said: kill
whitey all night long. . . . a ***** dumping on your white ass; fuck
this rap shit, *****, I'm gonna blast. . . . I beat a white boy to
the motherfucking ground"; "Kill Whitey"; --Menace Clan, Da Hood,
1995, Rap-A-Lot Records, Noo Trybe Records, subsidiaries of what was
called Thorn EMI and now is called The EMI Group, United Kingdom.

So if anyone’s psychotic its black men.



Having a gun to protect you is one thing having a gun to “rock” a gangster image is another thing. Also white people don’t go out buy a gun and talk about killing blacks. They buy the gun to protect them self’s from blacks who try to rob them and kill them. Didn’t rap an artist called “Proof” recently pull a gun out and shoot someone over a verbal argument? Blacks are “trigger happy” whites are a lot more careful with guns sane white men don’t shoot people over a verbal argument while playing pool.



And did you hear about: A white couple, Todd and Stacy Bagley who were kidnapped on the way to church, lit on fire, burned to death and shot in the head by four blacks. Or Three white teenagers, Michael Carter,
Dustin Kaiser and (girl's name withheld by police) who were attacked by six black youths. Carter is shot and killed. Kaiser is beaten and shot in the head, but recovers. The girl is forced to perform oral sex on her black attackers, pistol whipped and shot in the face. Or perhaps you heard of: An eight year old white child, Kevin Shiffiet, is killed when his throat is slit by a black who also stabs his 80 year old great grandmother and punches her in the chest. Police find a hand rambling note stating. "Kill them raceess whiate kidd's anyway".?



Seems like propaganda, there is a Jewish monopoly over the media.



Again you’re talking about a few token blacks; the majority of the blacks do not act this way they act in an uncivilized way. I really don’t see how someone can take a few blacks and believe they are some grand achievement for the black race.

As another poster said there is no convincing u. U talk about "a few token blacks" but what the hell do u know? U speak as if though u're the sum
total of all available knowledge 4 all races and u're not. U talk about "a few token blacks" but again what do u speak from ... experiences in corporate Amercan companies thruout the United States? I've already said that black people are their own worst enemy and that their biggest problem is black on black crime not committing crimes against white people so u're not saying anything of substance. I see u made mention of some crimes allegedly committed by blacks against whites but it means nothing b/c more whites kill one another than blacks just as more blacks kill one another so stop with the inflammatory bullsh*t. As far Token Successful blacks ... again how do u claim 2 know how successful Black people are as a race? Do u know specifics about every black family in America? Have u visited a historically black college such as Tuskegee University where The President visited recently and was given an update on the students research into areas like Nanotechnology? What do u really know except the bad news [about blacks and whites] which sells and is always reported? And even if the individuals I named are Token success stories [which they are not] those are still some lofty achievements. Calling the achievements token successes makes u sound like a "hater". U talk about "propaganda" but is the unjustified fear or uneasiness that a good number of whites have when they now see Desis also based on propaganda? They will never whole-heartedly accept u as one of their own [if in fact u are desi] so stop sounding like a wanna-be White Supremacist. As far as the rap artist Proof ... he died over some bullsh*t and when I heard the news I shook my head. Just like I shook my head when I heard about the guy out in Seattle who murdered not one BUT SIX young people. Proof and the other guy had an argument. What was the guy in Seattle's excuse? Be4 he left the party by-standers said it seemed like he was having a good time ... :sarb: . And while we're at it what was the "Angel of Death's" excuse? I'm sure u heard about the white male nurse who killed between 25-30 patients in hospitals in NJ and PA. Yet another white serial killer. But blacks are the cause of most of socities ills right? I guess its black people's fault that white serial killers exist :p ! Oh and regarding your comment stating "It would be a slap if blacks stopped buying the records ..." now u're really talking sh*t cuz the majority of rap music is purchased by white kids. Sadly enough a lot of the kids in the inner-cities can't even afford 2 buy a C.D :no: which is why something called "bootlegging" is so prevalent. Its mostly white kids in North and South Dakota, Iowa, Maine, Vermont, Nebraska etc. buying that sh*t so talk what u know. Lastly as far black parents and their kids u don't want 2 go there with me. I'm a Senior Child Protective Services CW and I can tell u plenty of actual cases I've had with Black families who love their children and are willing to do anything 2 save them from the streets, gangs, etc: including accepting Preventive Srvcs., going 2 counseling, filing a P.I.N.S petition. I can also tell u plenty of cases with white families who are so busy chasing the American dream of wealth by any means that they leave their children @ home 4 loooong periods of time 2 experiment with drugs, guns, etc. These are families that I have personally dealt with so I'm not talking a bout a newspaper/magazine or quoting statistics like yourself. That's how Columbine and a few other similar scenarios happened. The parents were so busy working 2 pay the mortgage on the estate that they somehow overlooked little Jonny in his room building home made bombs and polishing up his rifle. That's good parenting ;) . In closing keep generalizing about black people. If The Klan and The Aryan Nations set off their much written about race war and they come after u and your family in an effort 2 "clean America up" or a next generation "Oklahoma Bomber" decides 2 bomb your building ... I guarantee u won't be be thinking or complaining about how those darn blacks are the cause of most of the ills in society :rolleyes: .

[Sona9999]

^ I'll get back to you. Also I see the concept of writing in paragraphs is lost upon a black male such as yourself.

[rex_maximus]

^ I'll get back to you. Also I see the concept of writing in paragraphs is lost upon a black male such as yourself.

who's being racist now?

[Understanding]

^ I'll get back to you. Also I see the concept of writing in paragraphs is lost upon a black male such as yourself.

Since when did u become a grammar/writing expert? U are obviously not one, hence a number of mistakes in your own writing.

*Exihibit 1] U write "Having a gun to protect yourself is one thing having gun to "rock" a gansta' image is another." There should be a COMMA after the word "thing". But u knew that right :D ?

*Exhibit 2] U write "Didn't rap an artist called Proof pull a gun ..." WHAT :sarb: ? I think u meant 2 say "Didn't a rap artist named Proof pull a gun ..."

There are more but I'll stop there. So ... what was that u were saying? Now u want 2 act like u actually give a sh*t about "paragraphs"? Does your tiny, racially compromised brain need things compartmentalized in2 small pieces? If so just ask and u shall recieve ... dimwad.

[PaKi_PeRfEcTiOn]

hmm ok i dont know much about black/white/american or whatever history but i do know that for all those that are talking about blacks rapping and promoting violence and eveything..if you knew anything about the 20's you would know that the first ever songs made promoting violence came from WHITE PEOPLE..white women specifically...it was all about smoking and killing..shooting..stabbing etc etc etc. People made a very big deal out of it but soon just like anyting else, people stopped giving a shit! So don't blame the black people for starting it....
there were also comments about blacks being under achivers and i agree...The majority of black people dont give a fuck
about being anything in life.When you think of the "ghetto" you think of black people and why? Because it IS FILLED WITH UNDER ACHIEVING BROKE ASS BLACK PEOPLE. I'm not saying ALL black people are a bunch of nothings because i do know some very intelligent black people. But i have come to notice that black people feel they need to blame the whites for the shit that happens in their lives...if you dont even have your highschool diploma, how do you expect to do anything in life? People arent gonna be shoving money up your ass so you can survive, thats up to you to do! N if you havnt notice..this world runs on money..you are expected to get your own! If your gonna be lazy..drop out of school.."hustle"...(and then blame the cops for arresting you..i mean damn they're not suppose to be doing their job right? :rolleyes: )..do drugs and basically act like a bunch of fuckin idiots then how is it anybodys fault but your own? im not RACIST AT ALL..im just saying.. black people are looked down on AND are hated by most races because of their actions..it has nothing to do with their COLOUR and sadly most black people dont get that :sarb:
also..I DO AND HAVE KNOWN RACIST BLACK PEOPLE..BUT MY QUESTION IS WHY IS IT THAT ITS OKAY FOR THEM TO BE RACIST BUT THE MIN SOMBODY OF A DIFFERENT RACE SAYS ANYTHING TO THEM, THEY START FLIPPIN OUT AND BITCHIN LIKE ITS TE BIGGEST SHOCK OF THEIR LIVES..WHAT, YOUR SO GREAT THAT ONLY YOU HAVE THE "RIGHT" TO BE RACIST? :mad: ..IT DOESNT MAKE ANY DAMN SENSE..

[chakdephute]

I personally find "Black Music" to be highly enlightening. Duke Ellington, John Coltrane, Louis Armstrong, Miles Davis to name but a few were quite possibly the truest and greatest of all American artists.

To say Black Music is derogatory and thuggish is far too simplistic.

[Understanding]

hmm ok i dont know much about black/white/american or whatever history but i do know that for all those that are talking about blacks rapping and promoting violence and eveything..if you knew anything about the 20's you would know that the first ever songs made promoting violence came from WHITE PEOPLE..white women specifically...it was all about smoking and killing..shooting..stabbing etc etc etc. People made a very big deal out of it but soon just like anyting else, people stopped giving a shit! So don't blame the black people for starting it....
there were also comments about blacks being under achivers and i agree...The majority of black people dont give a fuck
about being anything in life.When you think of the "ghetto" you think of black people and why? Because it IS FILLED WITH UNDER ACHIEVING BROKE ASS BLACK PEOPLE. I'm not saying ALL black people are a bunch of nothings because i do know some very intelligent black people. But i have come to notice that black people feel they need to blame the whites for the shit that happens in their lives...if you dont even have your highschool diploma, how do you expect to do anything in life? People arent gonna be shoving money up your ass so you can survive, thats up to you to do! N if you havnt notice..this world runs on money..you are expected to get your own! If your gonna be lazy..drop out of school.."hustle"...(and then blame the cops for arresting you..i mean damn they're not suppose to be doing their job right? :rolleyes: )..do drugs and basically act like a bunch of fuckin idiots then how is it anybodys fault but your own? im not RACIST AT ALL..im just saying.. black people are looked down on AND are hated by most races because of their actions..it has nothing to do with their COLOUR and sadly most black people dont get that :sarb:
also..I DO AND HAVE KNOWN RACIST BLACK PEOPLE..BUT MY QUESTION IS WHY IS IT THAT ITS OKAY FOR THEM TO BE RACIST BUT THE MIN SOMBODY OF A DIFFERENT RACE SAYS ANYTHING TO THEM, THEY START FLIPPIN OUT AND BITCHIN LIKE ITS TE BIGGEST SHOCK OF THEIR LIVES..WHAT, YOUR SO GREAT THAT ONLY YOU HAVE THE "RIGHT" TO BE RACIST? :mad: ..IT DOESNT MAKE ANY DAMN SENSE..

* Ghettoes are indeed filled with under-achieving broke a** black people. However what people need 2 keep in mind is that the term "GHETTO" does not simply apply 2 black people. There are white ghettoes, spanish ghettoes, asian ghettoes ... all over the world. Have u ever been 2 a trailer park where a lot of poor white people live? Its not a pretty sight. Furthermore, not every1 in China, India, Pakistan or the Phillipines lives opulently. Some and maybe even a lot of them are dirt poor which is why they try 2 come 2 the States 2 make a better life 4 themselves. And when some of them get here, they make it and do well. Some on the other hand ... don't and they have 2 live within their limited financial means which sometimes means living in a poor, undesireable section of town. There's an apartment complex a few miles up the road from where I live and there are a lot of poor people that live there. Some african-american, some phillipino, some haitian and some desi. I've had a bunch of cases in that complex. My point is if u want 2 associate "ghetto" with black people feel free but in my opinion u need 2 get out more and see more of the world. Blacks don't make up the totality of all "ghetto population". Its funny how some people watch MTV and B.E.T and thats the extent of their thinking.

* The other thing I want 2 say is that the element u speak of is simply one aspect of black culture or life. There are tons of other elements out here that u either don't care 2 acknowledge or u don't know about. Noted Lecturer, Author, Radio and T.V Host Tavis Smiley got 2gether with a bunch of other black professionals from around the country and came up with a Black State of the Union Address which takes a truthful, honest, hard look @ what's going on in black communities and what needs 2 be done 2 make improvements. With this in mind he and others came up with a covenant that they were all encouraged 2 sign pledging their allegiance and their efforts 2 gain ground economically, educationally, politically etc. Mr. Smiley and others committed themselves 2 bettering blacks and they travel around the country speaking 2 people young and old in high schools, colleges and public forums about what they can personally do 2 make a difference. This is a far cry from black people doing drugs and doing little else but complaining. Now do some whine and complain and do nothing? Of course there are those like that but so what? Am I going 2 watch the news, see a Muslim man who was captured with explosives in his shoe and then make a negative generalization about all people who have tan/brown skin and who may or may not be desi? If I've had a few cases with desi men who drink heavily and beat the sh*t out of their wives and terrorize their kids does that mean that I now know what the majority of desi males are about :rolleyes: ? All I'm saying is that is there is a large contingent of those who are not like that but it seems as if though some don't wanna see that element. People call some of the blacks I mentioned and who have reached lofty heights "tokens" when the fact is ANYONE who is CEO of American Express, COO of Land Rover-Jaguar or CEO of Time Warner-AOL occupies a very rare air that few [regardless of race, culture or ethinicity] ever reach. That speaks of achievement of position based upon merit. Not tokenism as some might say. It just seems 2 me that some people need 2 live a little more and open up their eyes a bit more. Blacks are more than what u hear on the radio or see on the news. There are large numbers of blacks accomplishing noteworthy things that u won't see on T.V. There is a huge and thriving black middle class and upper-middle class particularly in the south. If u read the Wall Street Journal, Forbes or Fortune 500 then u might actually see some good and encouraging news 4 a change. On the other hand though as a wise man once said: "None are so blind as those who choose not 2 see."

[Understanding]

I personally find "Black Music" to be highly enlightening. Duke Ellington, John Coltrane, Louis Armstrong, Miles Davis to name but a few were quite possibly the truest and greatest of all American artists.

To say Black Music is derogatory and thuggish is far too simplistic.

Thank u 4 the words of truth and enlightenment.

[E.I.Walrus]

I personally find "Black Music" to be highly enlightening. Duke Ellington, John Coltrane, Louis Armstrong, Miles Davis to name but a few were quite possibly the truest and greatest of all American artists.

To say Black Music is derogatory and thuggish is far too simplistic.

Exactly.

[bill]

Rap comes from the heart if its racist then thats just how it is.

Bullshit. Rap comes from wanting to get money, as does most other mainstream 'artistic' endavours.

There are far more violent acts committed by blacks then any other race on the planet - facts speak for themselves. Most in American jails are blacks.

This is a chicken and egg argument. Population brought up in poor socioeconomical condition is more susceptible to crimes which gives rise to poor socioeconomics.

I think jspot nailed it: whites feel guilty, hence blacks get away with it.

What are people's thoughts on Affirmative Action?

[pakichik]

well why does a rapper has the right to diss white ppl and keep saying "****** this ****** that"

but when it comes to white ppl saying anything ....... its the same ol answer "SALVERY"

fuck off

get over it

What is reatrded is peeps like tupac shakur are given the title of thug angel

he was a fucking criminal

Its called freedom of speech.duhh.
um.. n what do u mean? THERE R WHITE RAPPERS TOO.
o but wait ur trying to say that black rappers complain bout white ppl.. n shitt well thats the same *freedom Of speech* .. white ppl say w/e they want too
n u dont think white people complain?
o n btw.. HAHAH WOW... rap is never even about WHITE PPL.. its mostly about their "thug life" it has nothing to do with white ppl.
gEt iT sTraIght

[will rap 4 food]

before u make some sweeping generalisations,
i strongly strongly strongly suggest you read the history of minorities in america..
until the likes of martin luther king, jfk, johnson and malcolm X, afro-americans did have a bit of a raw deal in america,
how raw the deal was,
well thats up2u to read up on :)


just what i wa gunna say ^^^^^

[PaKi_PeRfEcTiOn]

* Ghettoes are indeed filled with under-achieving broke a** black people. However what people need 2 keep in mind is that the term "GHETTO" does not simply apply 2 black people. There are white ghettoes, spanish ghettoes, asian ghettoes ... all over the world. Have u ever been 2 a trailer park where a lot of poor white people live? Its not a pretty sight. Furthermore, not every1 in China, India, Pakistan or the Phillipines lives opulently. Some and maybe even a lot of them are dirt poor which is why they try 2 come 2 the States 2 make a better life 4 themselves. And when some of them get here, they make it and do well. Some on the other hand ... don't and they have 2 live within their limited financial means which sometimes means living in a poor, undesireable section of town. There's an apartment complex a few miles up the road from where I live and there are a lot of poor people that live there. Some african-american, some phillipino, some haitian and some desi. I've had a bunch of cases in that complex. My point is if u want 2 associate "ghetto" with black people feel free but in my opinion u need 2 get out more and see more of the world. Blacks don't make up the totality of all "ghetto population". Its funny how some people watch MTV and B.E.T and thats the extent of their thinking.

* The other thing I want 2 say is that the element u speak of is simply one aspect of black culture or life. There are tons of other elements out here that u either don't care 2 acknowledge or u don't know about. Noted Lecturer, Author, Radio and T.V Host Tavis Smiley got 2gether with a bunch of other black professionals from around the country and came up with a Black State of the Union Address which takes a truthful, honest, hard look @ what's going on in black communities and what needs 2 be done 2 make improvements. With this in mind he and others came up with a covenant that they were all encouraged 2 sign pledging their allegiance and their efforts 2 gain ground economically, educationally, politically etc. Mr. Smiley and others committed themselves 2 bettering blacks and they travel around the country speaking 2 people young and old in high schools, colleges and public forums about what they can personally do 2 make a difference. This is a far cry from black people doing drugs and doing little else but complaining. Now do some whine and complain and do nothing? Of course there are those like that but so what? Am I going 2 watch the news, see a Muslim man who was captured with explosives in his shoe and then make a negative generalization about all people who have tan/brown skin and who may or may not be desi? If I've had a few cases with desi men who drink heavily and beat the sh*t out of their wives and terrorize their kids does that mean that I now know what the majority of desi males are about :rolleyes: ? All I'm saying is that is there is a large contingent of those who are not like that but it seems as if though some don't wanna see that element. People call some of the blacks I mentioned and who have reached lofty heights "tokens" when the fact is ANYONE who is CEO of American Express, COO of Land Rover-Jaguar or CEO of Time Warner-AOL occupies a very rare air that few [regardless of race, culture or ethinicity] ever reach. That speaks of achievement of position based upon merit. Not tokenism as some might say. It just seems 2 me that some people need 2 live a little more and open up their eyes a bit more. Blacks are more than what u hear on the radio or see on the news. There are large numbers of blacks accomplishing noteworthy things that u won't see on T.V. There is a huge and thriving black middle class and upper-middle class particularly in the south. If u read the Wall Street Journal, Forbes or Fortune 500 then u might actually see some good and encouraging news 4 a change. On the other hand though as a wise man once said: "None are so blind as those who choose not 2 see."


why dont YOU open your dumbass eyes and read what I WROTE..i know what the fuck is going on in this world..did i or did i not say not all black people are a bunch of nothings? YES there are those that are making somtthing out of their lives and are actually making a difference..but most of the fuckin black people arent..if it were like that then you wouldnt have so many people lookin at black people as trash.,, Also you talk shit about how other countries in the world live in shit conditions..yeah thats true and so does AFRICA..but thats not the point..how are you gonna be born and live in the richest country in the world and still be poor?! There are more then enough opportunities in America that allow you to become SOMTHING! why dont black people take them? why are they mad at the people that do?...people come to the USA from all over the world to take those opportunities but yet the people living there cant?...and yes some people that come to the states are forced to live in poor conditions... do you know why? BECAUSE THE US HAS THIS DUMBASS RULE THAT YOU HAVE TO GO TO SCHOOL THERE TO GET A JOB THERE...some people that come from 3rd world countries dont have that kind of money at that moment to go back to school and thats why they are forced to work low paying or part time jobs...even those people that come from other countries and are faced with such problems try and make the best out of it..they do what they have to do to get the money..why dont most black people? why is it that they feel the need to do illegal shit and take the easy way out? im just saying...

I am not here to talk shit about black people..i have nothing against them so there is no need to get all defensive. There's always two sides to a coin..you can look at black people one way or another. Im just saying..if more black people tried to be somthing in life then they wouldnt be looked down on as much..

Again its the actions of the majority of black people that is giving them a BAD name not their colour!

[bill]

Hahahha, "will rap 4 food" is viewing this thread. Awesome.

[appenzeller]

Not all black music is racist; however some of the people singing it are. Now some of you claim that the white people were racist in the 1920's and 30s. We now live in 2006. THat's 86 years difference. A lot has changed since then, and so have quite a lot of white people. If they hadn't, I doubt you'd be living in their country today.

I live in Europe where the society is very open. If people don't like a race, they make it known. The problem with people like Kayne West is that he has a serious inferiority complex. He needs to get his head out of his ass and realize that by continously claiming that white people hate his race, is just giving fuel to right wing parties.

One of the main reasons right wing parties are on the rise in Europe is due to music such as his. I mean, in all truth, he needs to get over the fact that white people are racist and move on. His famous speech on how Bush was anti-black seemed to make his point clear. If they really didn't like him, they would have made it really easy for him not to be where he is today. I remember him clearly saying on one of the interviews on MTV Base, that the main reason he didn't get a Grammy was because he was black. That was a pathetic and childish claim. It just goes to show how narrow-minded he is.

50 Cent keeps on complaining about how he hustled from 3 to 6, when his grandma thought he was at an after school activity programme and then brags about how he was shot. Well, maybe if he did stay in school he might not have been shot. That's the problem with many black people. They complain about how the government doesn't do shit for them, but when they get the opportunity to go to school, they'd rather be out dealing drugs. Well, then your bloody problem. Stay poor you're whole bloody life.

[PaKi_PeRfEcTiOn]

also, yeah the blacks were treated like shit and were slaves waay back in the day..but so what? slavery was all over the world..it wasnt just the americans using black people as slaves..there were other races and counties that had slaves from all over the world..what does that have to do with anything? you dont see any of the other races that were slaved acting so fuckin out of control and creating so much violence..? what are you saying..thats their way of getting back at the white people? or do they think by talking shit and making racist comments about the white people is gonna make them equal to them?
I admit some white people are still racist against blacks and see them as nobodys..but what can you do?..making racist comments back isnt gonna solve the problem..two wrongs dont make a right...rather black people need to prove the white people wrong and show them they are alot more then what they are seen to be!

aaaaaaaaaaaandd i am DONE lol..enough about this topic :p

[appenzeller]

I personally find "Black Music" to be highly enlightening. Duke Ellington, John Coltrane, Louis Armstrong, Miles Davis to name but a few were quite possibly the truest and greatest of all American artists.

To say Black Music is derogatory and thuggish is far too simplistic.

saying it isn't is also too simplistic.

[Understanding]

why dont YOU open your dumbass eyes and read what I WROTE..i know what the fuck is going on in this world..did i or did i not say not all black people are a bunch of nothings? YES there are those that are making somtthing out of their lives and are actually making a difference..but most of the fuckin black people arent..if it were like that then you wouldnt have so many people lookin at black people as trash.,, Also you talk shit about how other countries in the world live in shit conditions..yeah thats true and so does AFRICA..but thats not the point..how are you gonna be born and live in the richest country in the world and still be poor?! There are more then enough opportunities in America that allow you to become SOMTHING! why dont black people take them? why are they mad at the people that do?...people come to the USA from all over the world to take those opportunities but yet the people living there cant?...and yes some people that come to the states are forced to live in poor conditions... do you know why? BECAUSE THE US HAS THIS DUMBASS RULE THAT YOU HAVE TO GO TO SCHOOL THERE TO GET A JOB THERE...some people that come from 3rd world countries dont have that kind of money at that moment to go back to school and thats why they are forced to work low paying or part time jobs...even those people that come from other countries and are faced with such problems try and make the best out of it..they do what they have to do to get the money..why dont most black people? why is it that they feel the need to do illegal shit and take the easy way out? im just saying...

I am not here to talk shit about black people..i have nothing against them so there is no need to get all defensive. There's always two sides to a coin..you can look at black people one way or another. Im just saying..if more black people tried to be somthing in life then they wouldnt be looked down on as much..

Again its the actions of the majority of black people that is giving them a BAD name not their colour!

First of all u need 2 calm down. There's no need 4 name calling. Some of what i said didn't even apply 2u. It applied 2 the poster so take a chill and stop with the generalizations which u made a couple of. First u said that "most black people aren't doing something with their lives" and 2 that i say REALLY :sarb: ? Do u claim 2 KNOW most black people? Do u know all of the blacks in ghettos or do u know all of the young kids in colleges who don't make the 5:00 news? Nope. Like I said be4 what u see on the news and read in newspaper doesn't account 4 a total reality. Next u said that people from other countries come here and make the most of it ... "why don't black people"? A lot of black people take advantage of opportunities but how would u know that? I can point out a number of blacks that I know personally who defy stereotypes. This one black guy I work with is a Caseworker like me but is also a Chemistry & Math Professor. A good friend of mine from college is Comptroller 4 a subsidiary of GE Capital. Another buddy of mine from high school used 2 be an Institutional Sales Rep 4 a major financial institution and made enough money such that he quit and now looks 4 people with small businesses that he can invest in and turn a profit on. A lot of information like what I just told u in regards 2 my friends u won't come across b/c my friends [like most people] don't advertise their lives. They just work hard like u and your parents and try 2 live their lives above all of the ignorance around them. U also say that most blacks feel the need 2 "take the easy way out by doing illegal sh*t." In ghettos? Yes. But in middle class neighborhoods from coast 2 coast? No. And yes there is a very real and thriving middle [and even upper-middle] class in America. There was piece on 60 Minutes about a year ago about "New Money" as it related 2 a cluster of upper-middle class, black neighborhoods spread throughout the south and it was brilliant :o . U stop just short of saying that most blacks are crooks and criminals. Too damn many are incarcerated and I'll be the FIRST 2 admit that but its not like the numbers of free, non-criminals are outweighed by those incarcerated. Not even close. People warned me when I first joined that I would encounter a lot of ignorance that would need correcting and they weren't kidding. Damn. And 4 what its worth I honestly don't believe that u have anything against black people. I really don't. I think that u just feel extremely comfortable going with what u see on the news and reading in papers as if though that's all there is 2 it. If I thought in stereotypical ways about desis the stuff u express about blacks I'd be afraid 2 ride a bus, train or plane if I saw some1 with brown skin who "looked like a terrorist" as they say. Come on now ... stop. These generalizations are boring :bored:.

[dr_sinister1001]

Isn't all popular music today pretty much black music?

:idea:

[Shashanna]

First of all u need 2 calm down. There's no need 4 name calling. Some of what i said didn't even apply 2u. It applied 2 the poster so take a chill and stop with the generalizations which u made a couple of. First u said that "most black people aren't doing something with their lives" and 2 that i say REALLY :sarb: ? Do u claim 2 KNOW most black people? Do u know all of the blacks in ghettos or do u know all of the young kids in colleges who don't make the 5:00 news? Nope. Like I said be4 what u see on the news and read in newspaper doesn't account 4 a total reality. Next u said that people from other countries come here and make the most of it ... "why don't black people"? A lot of black people take advantage of opportunities but how would u know that? I can point out a number of blacks that I know personally who defy stereotypes. This one black guy I work with is a Caseworker like me but is also a Chemistry & Math Professor. A good friend of mine from college is Comptroller 4 a subsidiary of GE Capital. Another buddy of mine from high school used 2 be an Institutional Sales Rep 4 a major financial institution and made enough money such that he quit and now looks 4 people with small businesses that he can invest in and turn a profit on. A lot of information like what I just told u in regards 2 my friends u won't come across b/c my friends [like most people] don't advertise their lives. They just work hard like u and your parents and try 2 live their lives above all of the ignorance around them. U also say that most blacks feel the need 2 "take the easy way out by doing illegal sh*t." In ghettos? Yes. But in middle class neighborhoods from coast 2 coast? No. And yes there is a very real and thriving middle [and even upper-middle] class in America. There was piece on 60 Minutes about a year ago about "New Money" as it related 2 a cluster of upper-middle class, black neighborhoods spread throughout the south and it was brilliant :o . U stop just short of saying that most blacks are crooks and criminals. Too damn many are incarcerated and I'll be the FIRST 2 admit that but its not like the numbers of free, non-criminals are outweighed by those incarcerated. Not even close. People warned me when I first joined that I would encounter a lot of ignorance that would need correcting and they weren't kidding. Damn. And 4 what its worth I honestly don't believe that u have anything against black people. I really don't. I think that u just feel extremely comfortable going with what u see on the news and reading in papers as if though that's all there is 2 it. If I thought in stereotypical ways about desis the stuff u express about blacks I'd be afraid 2 ride a bus, train or plane if I saw some1 with brown skin who "looked like a terrorist" as they say. Come on now ... stop. These generalizations are boring :bored:.

Well Said and thank you for being here.

[Shashanna]

well why does a rapper has the right to diss white ppl and keep saying "****** this ****** that"

but when it comes to white ppl saying anything ....... its the same ol answer "SALVERY"

fuck off

get over it!

What is reatrded is peeps like tupac shakur are given the title of thug angel

he was a fucking criminal

It's easy for someone like yourself to say that when your ancestors haven't been through such trials and tribulations. The Generation of this day & age still experience discrimination.
You havent experienced such a thing, so of course you are unaware of it. Don't tell anyone to get over something when you have absolutelty no clue what they go through in their everyday lives.

[Sphinx7]

I do enjoy rap and R'n'B. However some of the music is pretty racist I mean for instance take Kanya (?) West. If you actually listen to the lyrics he is mainly blaming the whites for all the problems of the blacks. And its not only him, there are many other artists doing the same.
Hes not blaming the whites, he is telling you a story of what happened in the past, the events that took place. You have 2 know/remember what happened(and not 4get it) just like how they keep making sept 911 movies... to retrigger your thoughts.

Now if the tables were turned and it was white people making music about blacks creating all the problems such as drugs, guns, abuse of women ect, ect. - The stuff which is true due to the rise of gang culture, there would be an outcry, the black community would be out in arms to protest against it.

This is stupid, first of all you need 2 do the knowledge on who brings guns/drugs into the US. It is the White man, it is the elite globalist. The Hierarchy cults, the Neo-Nazi's, the Vatican, etc.

The white man controls the drugs in the black communities, they market the violence and the biochemical warfare into comsumable products(alcohol, etc.) The CIA plays a major roll in this illusive society.

The blacks sometimes remind me of Jews who cry out antisemitism every time you try and raise a few points with them, its the same thing what blacks do generally if someone was to raise the issue about this he/she would be labeled a racist if the person was not black.

the JEWS have no culture or language, hebrew is not their native tongue. Jews are migrates from Euroasia from KHAZAR.

PEACE, PEACE

[bill]

Alcohol is biological warfare?! FUCK ME! :monocle:

[Sphinx7]

Classic blame the white man argument, you’re talking about something which happened in the past, hell most of the blacks who are racists an artist in the music industry were not even born. When racism towards blacks in America was high, and even those blacks who were treated like inferior beings surely did not act the way blacks act in today’s society. How man black people do you see condemning rap and Hip-hop? Or gang culture? So how can blacks justify their actions in today’s modern society? I believe the real issue is blacks don’t actually care and do not want to do anything about it.

The white man has been killing Blacks, Natives 4 the past hundreds of years. The white man has been ruling this land for the past 200+ years and kilt anyone that tried to take it from them. So what if it happened in the past. SO we’re suppose to be taught to 4get our history? When 100 million Blacks died in the Transatlantic Slave Trade, the white man wanted us to 4get about it. BUT the white Jews have a Holiday dedicated 2 themselves called Passover.

It still continues… Do you know about the John Hawkins 1555 slavery trick 2 Africa? About the gems and diamonds? Do you know anything about [b]Conflict Diamonds{/b]? Its all evil and the white man has its paw on it.

why do you think blacks act like that in today’s society? that they don’t wanna do anything ? Someone is endorsing this formation. Someone is infiltrating the drugs into the communities, the excessive behavior on TV thru rap. Why do you think you dont cee or hear conscious rappers on the TV or radio? Do you know who controls the radio/tv? the white man. Its psychology, now what you gonna do?

You need to open your 3rd eye and connect the dots.

[BoO bOo]

who cares!

i like rap betta than rock n all that hard core metal stuff. i never listen to rock..its all extra loud..god damn me pe teacher, he always b bumpin that :mad:

[Shashanna]

Sona9999,

I can tell from what you're saying, It'is not even from your own mind. They are misconceptions. In fact, there are MANY black achievements YOU are completely unaware of. you're talking s*** off the top of your head. You haven't done your research throughly. just because YOU don't know anything about recent black achievements doesn't mean they don't exist!!!
This is going to be a very biased argument.This topic is wrong on so many levels... it's like prescott & Goebbels having a nice quaint chat about the jews. :rolleyes:

OH! here's a few blacks who have achieved some great things... there were thousands to choose from. ;) so i picked a few of my favorites!

SPIKE LEE- one of the most acclaimed filmmakers who made film about RACE and its said to be one of the greatest american films of the new guerilla style filmmakers!
Gloria Gilmer is the first woman to deliver a major NAM lecture.

TONI MORRISON who in novels characterized by visionary force and poetic import, gives life to an essential aspect of American reality
Maya Angelou- A world famous poet, author,FILMMAKER, historian singer and civil rights activist. This Grammy and Horatio Alger award winner was raised in segregated rural Arkansas.
Congressman Sanford D. Bishop, Jr.
Congresswoman Julia Carson
Congressman William L. Clay
Congresswoman Corrine Brown
Kate Okikiolu becomes the first Black to win Mathematics' most prestigious young person's award, the Sloan Research Fellowship.
Kate Okikiolu is also well known for working on hearing the shape of a drum. She is the first person of African descent to have won one of the most prestigious awards for young mathematics researchers, a Sloan Research Fellowship. She is a professor of mathematics at the University of California at San Diego. Okikiolu [17] explains her research: "The sound of a drum changes as its shape changes. In fact, listening to the drum very carefully tells me how to change its shape to make it sound like a round drum and when it sounds like a round drum, it is indeed round!" Okikiolu "has developed a mathematical procedure called 'moving to the music' that links sounds to shapes… You're blindfolded, listening to drum music, and someone asks you to draw the drum." [16] While Carolyn Gordon's mathematics tells us that we cannot always distinguish between drums of different shapes, Kate Okikiolu's mathematics succeeds in distinguishing the shapes of certain types of drums.

Huey Newton! I had to mention him even though he's from the 70s..still alive and doing one man shows. I love the dude. One of the forefathers of the black panthers. The intellectual political party that was for social change and against white supremacy!


did we forget Condoleezza Rice.(2005) i'm pretty sure she's like the first black woman in the white house. secretary of state. Last i heard, IT'S A PRETTY BIG DEAL. :sarb:


Blacks are gaining recognition in mathematics, politics, engineering, literature, as well as the entertainment industry. :hand:

[Sphinx7]

Originally Posted by vimi
Rap comes from the heart if its racist then thats just how it is.
Bullshit. Rap comes from wanting to get money, as does most
other mainstream 'artistic' endavours.

Hip-hop started in the communities, it was a way of life a hobby. Later it became lyrical and positive, too powerful for the people. It was about movements and awakening the people. Like the white man, they will kill anyone who tried 2 invade their beliefs and system. That’s why many concious rappers were outlawed in the 80s and 90’s and were replaced with todays nonsense (50cent, death row, etc).

If there was any powerful positive force shining on the black community, the CIA(white man) were ordered 2 get rid of them.

Who killed Malcolm? White man
Who killed M L King?
Who goes to war with other countries?
Who is invading Iraq? Iran?
Who destroyed Afghanistan?
Who imports drugs into the US?
Who manipulates and abuses natural resources?

Go study how this country operates from the federal reserve 2 the Vatican. Go understand who and what kinda people actually control this land, and owns it.

These are just the FACTS OF LIFE, you gotta cee beyond the smoke.

[Shashanna]

Originally Posted by vimi
Rap comes from the heart if its racist then thats just how it is.


Hip-hop started in the communities, it was a way of life a hobby. Later it became lyrical and positive, too powerful for the people. It was about movements and awakening the people. Like the white man, they will kill anyone who tried 2 invade their beliefs and system. That’s why many concious rappers were outlawed in the 80s and 90’s and were replaced with todays nonsense (50cent, death row, etc).

If there was any powerful positive force shining on the black community, the CIA(white man) were ordered 2 get rid of them.

Who killed Malcolm? White man
Who killed M L King?
Who goes to war with other countries?
Who is invading Iraq? Iran?
Who destroyed Afghanistan?
Who imports drugs into the US?
Who manipulates and abuses natural resources?

Go study how this country operates from the federal reserve 2 the Vatican. Go understand who and what kinda people actually control this land, and owns it.

These are just the FACTS OF LIFE, you gotta cee beyond the smoke.

Yes, Hip hop was about enlightening the people and against oppression. It was a movement forged with lyrical poetry. listen to grandmaster flash..."the message"!!!

[Shashanna]

the original poster of the topic...is she/he even american?

I think it has alot to do with being unaware of american AND african american history. People on rd throw out so many goddamn generalizations.
and they talk with so much conviction, as if they know every black person in the continental u.s. and in the world! :rofl:
Not to mention, most of them don't even hang with african americans. Yet, they imitate the rap stars they see on t.v. and for some reason, they think this is "acting black." :no: don't fall for the hype guys.
so, who are you to make judgements about me? do you know me? do you know my status? do you know my history? my culture?

HELL NO!

[bill]

Originally Posted by vimi
Rap comes from the heart if its racist then thats just how it is.


Hip-hop started in the communities, it was a way of life a hobby. Later it became lyrical and positive, too powerful for the people. It was about movements and awakening the people. Like the white man, they will kill anyone who tried 2 invade their beliefs and system. That’s why many concious rappers were outlawed in the 80s and 90’s and were replaced with todays nonsense (50cent, death row, etc).

If there was any powerful positive force shining on the black community, the CIA(white man) were ordered 2 get rid of them.

Who killed Malcolm? White man
Who killed M L King?
Who goes to war with other countries?
Who is invading Iraq? Iran?
Who destroyed Afghanistan?
Who imports drugs into the US?
Who manipulates and abuses natural resources?

Go study how this country operates from the federal reserve 2 the Vatican. Go understand who and what kinda people actually control this land, and owns it.

These are just the FACTS OF LIFE, you gotta cee beyond the smoke.

:rofl:

[Shashanna]

Originally Posted by vimi
Rap comes from the heart if its racist then thats just how it is.


Hip-hop started in the communities, it was a way of life a hobby. Later it became lyrical and positive, too powerful for the people. It was about movements and awakening the people. Like the white man, they will kill anyone who tried 2 invade their beliefs and system. That’s why many concious rappers were outlawed in the 80s and 90’s and were replaced with todays nonsense (50cent, death row, etc).

If there was any powerful positive force shining on the black community, the CIA(white man) were ordered 2 get rid of them.

Who killed Malcolm? White man
Who killed M L King?
Who goes to war with other countries?
Who is invading Iraq? Iran?
Who destroyed Afghanistan?
Who imports drugs into the US?
Who manipulates and abuses natural resources?

Go study how this country operates from the federal reserve 2 the Vatican. Go understand who and what kinda people actually control this land, and owns it.

These are just the FACTS OF LIFE, you gotta cee beyond the smoke.
*gasp* I'm adding to your list! these are general but all created by THE WHITE MAN! This is for everyone.

-Who was the guy who decided the Aryan race was superior and decided to commit one of the treacherous acts, genocide on the Jews?

-Who decided to enslave the Africans?


-Who decided that slaves were only 3/5ths of a white person?



-Who decided we should go to war with Iraq?



-Which gender and race uses religion(CHRISTIANITY) as a way to subject the other gender to the Cult of Womanhood: (domestic roles, purity, and being obedient)



-Who decided we should bomb Hiroshima?



-Who made up the constitution and the bill of rights and it defies every opportunity they have,





-Who said, "If they shoot us , well shoot them right back and if they hit us, we hit them right back." although under natural laws in the constitution(based on Christianity) mentions something about, do unto as you would you would want done to yourself.

- Who stole my ancestors land both red and black??
you think putting my people on reserves is okay and is enough to solve three hundred years of oppression?

- who created stereotypes such as, BLACK MEN HAVE A LARGER LIBIDO than any other race?? I see this one still gets used here on rd. DOn't deny it because i read it! guess what? you don't call that brainwashed...that's whitewashed to the fullest degree.










If people want to use music as a way to express their anger and frustration then I'm all for it. However, if you're bragging about being shot and hooking up with "hoes n B***' , it's a whole other story! There's huge difference between using music as a tool to fight back and just using it for useless garbage.

[appenzeller]

Originally Posted by vimi
Rap comes from the heart if its racist then thats just how it is.


Hip-hop started in the communities, it was a way of life a hobby. Later it became lyrical and positive, too powerful for the people. It was about movements and awakening the people. Like the white man, they will kill anyone who tried 2 invade their beliefs and system. That’s why many concious rappers were outlawed in the 80s and 90’s and were replaced with todays nonsense (50cent, death row, etc).

If there was any powerful positive force shining on the black community, the CIA(white man) were ordered 2 get rid of them.

Who killed Malcolm? White man
Who killed M L King?
Who goes to war with other countries?
Who is invading Iraq? Iran?
Who destroyed Afghanistan?
Who imports drugs into the US?
Who manipulates and abuses natural resources?
Go study how this country operates from the federal reserve 2 the Vatican. Go understand who and what kinda people actually control this land, and owns it.



Firstly, you seem to not know much about what you're saying. Afghanistan was destroyed by the Taliban. They did nothing positive for the country and actually destroyed what was left of a once historical place due to their radicalism.

[Sona9999]

hmm ok i dont know much about black/white/american or whatever history but i do know that for all those that are talking about blacks rapping and promoting violence and eveything..if you knew anything about the 20's you would know that the first ever songs made promoting violence came from WHITE PEOPLE..white women specifically...it was all about smoking and killing..shooting..stabbing etc etc etc. People made a very big deal out of it but soon just like anyting else, people stopped giving a shit! So don't blame the black people for starting it....
there were also comments about blacks being under achivers and i agree...The majority of black people dont give a fuck
about being anything in life.When you think of the "ghetto" you think of black people and why? Because it IS FILLED WITH UNDER ACHIEVING BROKE ASS BLACK PEOPLE. I'm not saying ALL black people are a bunch of nothings because i do know some very intelligent black people. But i have come to notice that black people feel they need to blame the whites for the shit that happens in their lives...if you dont even have your highschool diploma, how do you expect to do anything in life? People arent gonna be shoving money up your ass so you can survive, thats up to you to do! N if you havnt
notice..this world runs on money..you are expected to get your own! If your gonna be lazy..drop out of school.."hustle"...(and then blame the cops for arresting you..i mean damn they're not suppose to be doing their job right? :rolleyes: )..do drugs and basically act like a bunch of fuckin idiots then how is it anybodys fault but your own? im not RACIST AT ALL..im just saying.. black people are looked down on AND are hated by most races because of their actions..it has nothing to do with their COLOUR and sadly most black people dont get that :sarb:
also..I DO AND HAVE KNOWN RACIST BLACK PEOPLE..BUT MY QUESTION IS WHY IS IT THAT ITS OKAY FOR THEM TO BE RACIST BUT THE MIN SOMBODY OF A DIFFERENT RACE SAYS ANYTHING TO THEM, THEY START FLIPPIN OUT AND BITCHIN LIKE ITS TE BIGGEST SHOCK OF THEIR LIVES..WHAT, YOUR SO GREAT THAT ONLY YOU HAVE THE "RIGHT" TO BE RACIST? :mad: ..IT DOESNT MAKE ANY DAMN SENSE..


Well said. Finally an intelligent post!

[Understanding]

Well said. Finally an intelligent post!
Yes but I see u're running of material 2 steal from other sites 2 try 2 come here and pass off as your own. U're not even intelligent enough 2 make it sound like its your own. U said u were going 2 get back 2 me on that non-paragraph I wrote but u didn't. I guess u're gonna wait until u get back from your next WHITE SUPREMACIST meeting with more Aryan Nations propaganda :p ? Do u wear a white hood over your head like Clayton Bigsby Black White Supermacist so they can't see your brown features? Jesus you're Pathetic :no:.

[Sona9999]

Its called freedom of speech.duhh.
um.. n what do u mean? THERE R WHITE RAPPERS TOO.
o but wait ur trying to say that black rappers complain bout white ppl.. n shitt well thats the same *freedom Of speech* .. white ppl say w/e they want too
n u dont think white people complain?
o n btw.. HAHAH WOW... rap is never even about WHITE PPL.. its mostly about their "thug life" it has nothing to do with white ppl.
gEt iT sTraIght
#
#

Was it freedom of speech when they made fun of Islam? So try to have some sense of what you're talking about.

[Sona9999]

As another poster said there is no convincing u. U talk about "a few token blacks" but what the hell do u know? U speak as if though u're the sum
total of all available knowledge 4 all races and u're not.

I never said I was, please stop putting wild accusations against me. What I was talking about is, the ratio of intelligent blacks and all other blacks, the rate of success is very poor and many of the ones who are successful are mixed race or the ones who were around at the time of the civil rights movement. Satieties speak for themselves. Many of theses blacks act white then black they have no culture there culture seems to be an adoption of white culture. Can you remind me what black culture is?

U talk about "a few token blacks" but again what do u speak from ... experiences in corporate Amercan companies thruout the United States?

Many of the cooperate American companies are owned by Jews and Jewish organizations. How about you go and blame Jews? But you dare not incase you get called Anti-Semitic. Negro’s constantly blame whites.

I've already said that black people are their own worst enemy and that their biggest problem is black on black crime not committing crimes against white people so u're not saying anything of substance.

In my pervious post I showed proof that black males incite the killing of pretty Aryan men and women. So I don’t see how you have ended up with the conclusion you have. It seems to me, you want to over look at all the bad things blacks to whites but cry about things which happened to the blacks in the past. Which does not happen now.

I see u made mention of some crimes allegedly committed by blacks against whites but it means nothing b/c more whites kill one another than blacks just as more blacks kill one another so stop with the inflammatory bullsh*t.

Anything of relevance of based on facts you claim at to me inflammatory. Do you even know the meaning of “inflammatory” I really don’t think you do. And more whites on a whole kill more whites because there are more whites in America so if you do the math and if you went to school and didn’t nick ‘off to smoke “crack” then you would have known this. By the way I speak metaphorically when I say “smoke crack” I am not implying you actually smoked crack am sure you didn’t. However I mean for you it wouldn’t be something to be ashamed of if you did right?

again how do u claim 2 know how successful Black people are as a race? Do u know specifics about every black family in America?

By looking at statistics which have been complied. And I am not only talking about the states, am talking about also other nations where there is a majority of blacks, such as Europe.

Have u visited a historically black college such as Tuskegee University where The President visited recently and was given an update on the students research into areas like Nanotechnology?

Presumably the students where taught by a white teacher? Or the books which they learned from where presumably authored by white people? I don’t really see what significance that has. The Indians gave is math, the Arabs gave is algebra, geometry and optics, the Aztecs gave is astronomy, the Chinese gave is rocketry, the Turks gave us gunpowder, and the whites gave is the digital age. What did the blacks do all that time? Nothing much really they just leeched of the rest of us. And if it wasn’t for Islam I really, really don’t think the blacks as a race would exist today it was Islam who freed the black man, and still they never made an impact on world. The Blacks are truly a great warrior race, but they need to stop blaming like Muslims do today the rest of the world for their own problems and downfall. No race can have a monopoly over the world unless other races want them to.

Calling the achievements token successes makes u sound like a "hater". U talk about "propaganda" but is the unjustified fear or uneasiness that a good number of whites have when they now see Desis also based on propaganda? They will never whole-heartedly accept u as one of their own [if in fact u are desi] so stop sounding like a wanna-be White Supremacist.

I find you comment a little offensive my ancestors where white. I am an Aryan Punjabi many desis are Aryan. There is genetically hardly any difference between an Aryan from Europe and an Aryan from the subcontinent. The only difference is religion and skin colour due to the geographical location.

And while we're at it what was the "Angel of Death's" excuse? I'm sure u heard about the white male nurse who killed between 25-30 patients in hospitals in NJ and PA. Yet another white serial killer. But blacks are the cause of most of socities ills right? I guess its black people's fault that white serial killers exist

Well which race controls the media? I want you to really think about this one.

In closing keep generalizing about black people. If The Klan and The Aryan Nations set off their much written about race war and they come after u and your family in an effort 2 "clean America up" or a next generation "Oklahoma Bomber" decides 2 bomb your building ... I guarantee u won't be be thinking or complaining about how those darn blacks are the cause of most of the ills in society

Lol, www.Aryan-Nations.org anyway I am an Aryan they would never do such a thing to a fellow Aryan, there is a thing called a code of honour and respect which we go by so keep your trap shut, and don’t talk about Aryans as if they are some crazy fuckers who go around blowing shit up, that was one secluded incident you’re talking about. Aryan’s are the greatest race and intelligent race on the planet.

who’s being racist now?

I was not being racists. I was making a factual comment. If my comment was untrue then perhaps it would have been racist.

Sense when did u become a grammar/writing expert? U are obviously not one, hence a number of mistakes in your own writing.

Hay I’ll be the first to admit my grammar sucks. However your post was tedious, homogenised, chameleon-esque scribble which amounted to nothing

This is a chicken and egg argument. Population brought up in poor socioeconomical condition is more susceptible to crimes which gives rise to poor socioeconomics.

I can understand what you’re saying however, if these nations were no corrupt then or in the areas they live in the states then, the argument of poor socioeconomics wouldn’t apply. If you’re going to rob and cheat your own people then hell yeah you’re going to have a pretty shitty socioeconomical conditions. You’re argument on as it stands may seem right and logical however it has an error init, as the conclusion of the argument doesn’t follow from the premises.


Affirmative Action

Well its supposed to help those who have traditionally been anti-social, and if the people who its supposed help are saying its not working, then its not working need to try a different approach, but saying it’s a “conspiracy” or “racist” is pretty illogical no nation is going create conditions were ultimately its own economy will suffer and create unrest. I think what happens is, everyone jumps on the bandwagon, if you ask me rather then looking at the situation, if one black person says “oh damn its fucked up” then the majority of the community will follow with the same sort of reasoning. It happens where there are uneducated masses look at the Muslim world particularly this happens constantly. Muslims being suspicious of the actions of their leaders when they talk about something which is viable and untraditional such as Musharafs “Enlightened Moderation ( http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A5081-2004May31.html)” – just because a few trouble makers say its wrong the majority will jump on the same bandwagon I mean when did Mullahs become academics?


Yes but I see u're running of material 2 steal from other sites 2 try 2 come here and pass off as your own. U're not even intelligent enough 2 make it sound like its your own. U said u were going 2 get back 2 me on that non-paragraph I wrote but u didn't. I guess u're gonna wait until u get back from your next WHITE SUPREMACIST meeting with more Aryan Nations propaganda ? Do u wear a white hood over your head like Clayton Bigsby Black White Supermacist so they can't see your brown features? Jesus you're Pathetic

Well if you gave me some time, then you wouldn’t have embarrassed yourself. And stop talking about white supremacists just makes you look stupid and backs my argument up of that blacks want to blame others for their problems. And I keep to my word.

[rex_maximus]

I find you comment a little offensive my ancestors where white. I am an Aryan Punjabi many desis are Aryan. There is genetically hardly any difference between an Aryan from Europe and an Aryan from the subcontinent. The only difference is religion and skin colour due to the geographical location.


:roflbow:

Lol, www.Aryan-Nations.org anyway I am an Aryan they would never do such a thing to a fellow Aryan, there is a thing called a code of honour and respect which we go by so keep your trap shut, and don’t talk about Aryans as if they are some crazy fuckers who go around blowing shit up, that was one secluded incident you’re talking about. Aryan’s are the greatest race and intelligent race on the planet.

:roflwtf:

street_scholar with a new id?

[Sona9999]

^ am not going to call you a liar but I don't know what you're talking about...

[Shashanna]

:roflbow:



:roflwtf:

street_scholar with a new id?


*gasps*

It's his female counterpart!!









at least, i think it's a female. :/

[Sona9999]

*gasps*

It's his female counterpart!!









at least, i think it's a female. :/

Well if he was a male then, he can't be me unless if his recently had a sex change.

[E.I.Walrus]

Lol @ 'Aryan Punjabi'. Tell me, Sona9999, where was this Aryan 'brotherhood' when the British were ruling the subcontinent and calling desi's 'black kuthas'.

Btw, I'm punjabi but I don't consider myself Aryan.

[Shashanna]

Well said. Finally an intelligent post!

Correction. you mean someone who agrees with you. Doesn't neccessarily make it intelligible.

I could break it down and explain it further... but i am too god damn sick of reading all the ignorant comments. it's literally turning my stomach. :neutral:

[Shashanna]

Well if he was a male then, he can't be me unless if his recently had a sex change.

omg! you would have loved him. he went on and on about aryan race and he was ssooo annoying. You remind me of him.

[Sona9999]

Lol @ 'Aryan Punjabi'. Tell me, Sona9999, where was this Aryan 'brotherhood' when the British were ruling the subcontinent and calling desi's 'black kuthas'.

Btw, I'm punjabi but I don't consider myself Aryan.


You do have a point. But we let them rule us. Many sided with them, it was Hindus, Muslims and Sikhs (particular) Sikhs who protected them at the start.

[Sona9999]

omg! you would have loved him. he went on and on about aryan race and he was ssooo annoying. You remind me of him.

I know him.

[Sona9999]

Correction. you mean someone who agrees with you. Doesn't neccessarily make it intelligible.

I could break it down and explain it further... but i am too god damn sick of reading all the ignorant comments. it's literally turning my stomach. :neutral:


Why don't you? maybe it might clear some of my conceptions up.

[E.I.Walrus]

You do have a point. But we let them rule us. Many sided with them, it was Hindus, Muslims and Sikhs (particular) Sikhs who protected them at the start.

Many sided with them, but they treated us very badly. They considered us black and continously put us down by calling us black, because according to them that was an insult. Though we may have aryan ancestory, it really holds no merit.

[rex_maximus]

L M A O!!

just when i thought it wasn't possible for Sona9999 to be further removed from reality (as evidenced by her reference to the KGB controlling all Indian media statement), in parades miss Sona with the oh-so humble proclamation of being an......hold it......ARYAN!!!

add to it the fact that she's sourcing aryan-nations.org.

one quick look at the site will reveal its entire theme. redneck neo-nazi white supremicts doing what they always do....ranting about the same old flawed concepts that no one cares about any more....proposing impossible ideas, promoting racial violence etc.

BUT, with a most interesting twist.

Seeing as how the neo-nazis loathe the jews, they have allied with a lesser enemy for the moment.....i.e muslims.

aryan-nation.org is abound with positive references to islam and muslims, calling them partners in a great war against the jews and zionists.

and people like Sona9999 are brain dead enough to actually believe that they are the "aryans of the subcontinent" thus feeling kinship for those rednecks.

not realizing of course that neo-nazi rednecks don't give 2 shits about muslims, OR ANYONE who isn't white and christian.

LOL.

:no:

[Shashanna]

Why don't you? maybe it might clear some of my conceptions up.

No, thanks. you're kind of a waste of time. I understand, that you're hard headed and do not wish to be enlightened. You made this clear everytime you replied to understanding with more garbage. You're doing a fine job making an ass of yourself and showing how ignorant you are. I just want to congratulate you! :clap:

[Shashanna]

I know him.

I bet you do. ;)

[Sona9999]

L M A O!!

just when i thought it wasn;t possible for Sona9999 to be further removed from reality (as evidenced by her reference to the KGB controlling all Indian media statement, in parades miss Sona with the oh-so humble proclamation of being an......hold it......ARYAN!!!

add to it the fact that she's sourcing aryan-nations.org.

one quick look at the site will reveal its entire theme. redneck neo-nazi white supremicts doing what they always do....ranting about the same old flawed concepts that no one cares about any more....proposing impossible ideas, promoting racial violence etc.

BUT, with a most interesting twist.

Seeing as how the neo-nazis loathe the jews, they have allied with a lesser enemy for the moment.....i.e muslims.

aryan-nation.org is abound with positive references to islam and muslims, calling them partners in a great war against the jews and zionists.

and people like Sona9999 are brain dead enough to actually believe that they are the "aryans of the subcontinent" thus feeling kinship for those rednecks.

not realizing of course that neo-nazi rednecks don't give 2 shits about muslims, OR ANYONE who isn't white and christian.

LOL.

:no:


Sorry I have me all wrong I have nothing to do with Nazism and I oppose the mistreatment of any particular race based on skin color. And my comment in the other thread about the KGB, is pretty accurate.

[rex_maximus]

I bet you do. ;)

Sona9999 and street_scholar sitting in a tree...

giving head to a white trash redneck's wee-wee.

[Sona9999]

Many sided with them, but they treated us very badly. They considered us black and continously put us down by calling us black, because according to them that was an insult. Though we may have aryan ancestory, it really holds no merit.


Well life's not fair. We let them treat us like that, it was our own fault. We let them stay there. We should not have trusted them. But we can't blame them we must blame ourselves for being weak at the time.

[Sona9999]

Sona9999 and street_scholar sitting in a tree...

giving head to a white trash redneck's wee-wee.

Will you leave this childish behavior out? we are all trying to have a mature conversation here.

[E.I.Walrus]

Well life's not fair. We let them treat us like that, it was our own fault. We let them stay there. We should not have trusted them. But we can't blame them we must blame ourselves for being weak at the time.

I agree that we have ourselves to blame, but that doesn't make their behaviour any more acceptable.

[Sona9999]

I agree that we have ourselves to blame, but that doesn't make their behaviour any more acceptable.

True it doesn't. But does that give us the right to blame them for [us] being weak? everyone has different standers of ethics and morals.

[Shashanna]

Well Desi's don't go around proliferating the type of ignorance we are all supposed to be escaping from blacks do. And anyway why do you want to lick a blacks balls? they are not a community you'd wanted to be associated with anyway for a Desi's.

And Desi's have never on this forum been racists. And anyway this is a Desi forum the blacks should not even be on here in the first place. Its like joining stormfront.org and expecting everyone to love you by the way I am a member at stromfront and also Aryan-nations and that has nothing to do with the comments I make cornering blacks, the data itself is pretty evident.



the best reply to Sona9999 :clap:

As I said previously: "Its better 2 keep quiet and be thought a fool than 2 open your mouth and remove all doubt." and that was the nail in your intellectual coffin right there. U've just shown yourself 2 be the biggest, most pathetic hyporcrite on this FORUM. U just questioned why blacks are here @ RATE DESI and said that would be like a DESI joining White Supremacist Organization STORMFRONT and expecting everyone 2 love u and in the next sentence u say: "by the way I am a member of STORMFRONT". ROTFL :rofl: !!! What a disturbed, unintelligent, nutjob u are. U're a member of The White Supremacist Organzation STORMFRONT which hates ALL except those who are "pure white blood" and yet u talk about how blacks shouldn't be @ this Forum :rolleyes:? I didn't know people could be so pathetic and self-loathing. If u are not a white, anglo-saxon, "pureblood" Christian then u are considered the "enemy" and yet u go and associate with those bottom-feeders and then come here and say "blacks shouldn't be here"? U should be banned from this site 4 that association alone. A desi ... a member of a WHITE SUPREMACIST organization? :no:. Give me a moment 2 allow the sheer hypocrisy of that 2 soak in. So basically u're like a real-life version of Dave Chappelle's character Clayton Bigsby the black white supremacist. U come 2 this site after being @ an Aryan Nations/White Supermacist site where they talk about ni**gers, sand-ni**gers, towel heads? Does anybody else find this incredibly disturbing and hypocritcal? By belonging 2 an organzation like that u're selling out your own people. Were u abused as a child? If the Race War discussed in the fictional, white supremacist novel "The Turner Diaries" actually came about whose side would u be on? STORMFRONT or Desis? Will u point out and help assist in the murder of your own people? The last thing I'll say is there's a word called THERAPY ... get some. But in the meantime and in between time I'm just gonna enjoy picking on u :D .

[Shashanna]

Sona9999 and street_scholar sitting in a tree...

giving head to a white trash redneck's wee-wee.

:rofl:

[Sona9999]

the best reply to Sona9999 :clap:

Are you stupid or something, I don't post on there to support them! I post in the opposing views. Try to get your facts right first. to back your black ass up.

[Shashanna]

Are you stupid or something, I don't post on there to support them! I post in the opposing views. Try to get your facts right first.


Honey, I am not the one you should be telling this too. He basically contradicted you in MANY ways. I saw what you wrote,the statement alone, "blacks shouldn't be HERE." was enough.

Are you stupid or something
Nope, you can take ALL the credit for that with your replies. :rofl:

[Sona9999]

Honey, I am not the one you should be telling this too. He basically contradicted you in MANY ways. I saw what you wrote,the statement alone, "blacks shouldn't be HERE." was enough.


Nope, you can take ALL the credit for that with your replies. :rofl:


The point I was making was, blacks shouldn't come on a Desi forum expecting all the Desi's to live them and to be nice to them, that would be like me join stormfront to fit in, it isn't going to happen. The only reason why I joined the sites were to help out blacks, some of the comments people where made were nasty and stupid. Also did you know there are also Jews on that site? White Jews who support them?

[rex_maximus]

Sorry I have me all wrong I have nothing to do with Nazism and I oppose the mistreatment of any particular race based on skin color. And my comment in the other thread about the KGB, is pretty accurate.

1) prove the KGB controls the Indian media.

2) you believe you are an ARYAN. you don't have the slightest idea what aryan means.

i know the following will be lost upon your biased racist ass, but i'm writing it for the sake of the rest of the poster....fell free to disregard.

aryan is NOT.....N O T.....a 'race'. the word, 'aryan' comes from the sanskrit word 'arya' which means 'wise and noble'. as such, the term was first used to refer to the people of the indus valley civilization, who lived in the area stretching from western afghanistan, to the north western parts of india.

archeological records showed the indus valley civilization to be the oldest civilization in the world...predating the egyptian civilization by several millenia. this fact had the startling implication that civilization started somewhere in the indian subcontinent, by the so-called 'aryan' people.

western historians convoluted facts and history to conjure up the 'aryan invasion theory', which proposed the idea of the aryans being caucasoids with a european origion, who invaded the area of the indus valley and then formed the civilization. that theory has long since been proven false.

'aryan' is an abstract term and demographically, it best describes the people of the indus valley who were most probably closest to semitic in appearance. by now, millenia of intermixing with the dravidians of the south, and persians, turks etc. has caused for a complete dissolution of the indus valley natives.....thereby there are no pure 'aryans' left anymore.

that someone like Sona9999 would not only have a wildly skewed fantasy of who the aryans are, but would also harbor ideas of racial superiority based on the same.....AND feel kinship to the mentally dysfunctional white supremicts (without realizing their hidden agenda)..........is for lack of a better word, pathetic.

[E.I.Walrus]

True it doesn't. But does that give us the right to blame them for [us] being weak? everyone has different standers of ethics and morals.

That's besides the point, my point is that 'Aryan code and honor' doesnt exist.

[rex_maximus]

The point I was making was, blacks shouldn't come on a Desi forum expecting all the Desi's to live them and to be nice to them, that would be like me join stormfront to fit in, it isn't going to happen. The only reason why I joined the sites were to help out blacks, some of the comments people where made were nasty and stupid. Also did you know there are also Jews on that site? White Jews who support them?

mother of ironies.....

she feels blacks shouldn't be on a desi site, doesn't support stormfront, but does swear by aryan-nations.

LOL.

[E.I.Walrus]

1) prove the KGB controls the Indian media.

2) you believe you are an ARYAN. you don't have the slightest idea what aryan means.

i know the following will be lost upon your biased racist ass, but i'm writing it for the sake of the rest of the poster....fell free to disregard.

aryan is NOT.....N O T.....a 'race'. the word, 'aryan' comes from the sanskrit word 'arya' which means 'wise and noble'. as such, the term was first used to refer to the people of the indus valley civilization, who lived in the area stretching from western afghanistan, to the north western parts of india.

archeological records showed the indus valley civilization to be the oldest civilization in the world...pre-dating the egyptian civ by several milleniums. this fact had the startling implication that civilization started somewhere in the indian subcontinent, by the so-called 'aryan' people.

western historians convoluted facts and history to conjure up the 'aryan invasion theory', which proposed the idea of the aryans being caucasoids with a european origion, who invaded the area of the indus valley and then formed the civilization. that theory has long since been proven false.

'aryan' is an abstract term and demographically, it best describes the people of the indus valley who were most probably closest to semitic in appearance. by now, millenia of intermixing with the dravidians of the south, and persians, turks etc. has caused for a complete dissolution of the indus valley natives.....thereby there are no pure 'aryans' left anymore.

that someone like Sona9999 would not only have a wildly skewed fantasy of who the aryans are, but would also harbor ideas of racial superiority based on the same.....AND feel kinship to the mentally dysfunctional white supremicts (without realizing their hidden agenda)..........is for lack of a better word, pathetic.

^^^ What he said.

[Sona9999]

1) prove the KGB controls the Indian media.

2) you believe you are an ARYAN. you don't have the slightest idea what aryan means.

i know the following will be lost upon your biased racist ass, but i'm writing it for the sake of the rest of the poster....fell free to disregard.

aryan is NOT.....N O T.....a 'race'. the word, 'aryan' comes from the sanskrit word 'arya' which means 'wise and noble'. as such, the term was first used to refer to the people of the indus valley civilization, who lived in the area stretching from western afghanistan, to the north western parts of india.

archeological records showed the indus valley civilization to be the oldest civilization in the world...pre-dating the egyptian civ by several milleniums. this fact had the startling implication that civilization started somewhere in the indian subcontinent, by the so-called 'aryan' people.

western historians convoluted facts and history to conjure up the 'aryan invasion theory', which proposed the idea of the aryans being caucasoids with a european origion, who invaded the area of the indus valley and then formed the civilization. that theory has long since been proven false.

'aryan' is an abstract term and demographically, it best describes the people of the indus valley who were most probably closest to semitic in appearance. by now, millenia of intermixing with the dravidians of the south, and persians, turks etc. has caused for a complete dissolution of the indus valley natives.....thereby there are no pure 'aryans' left anymore.

that someone like Sona9999 would not only have a wildly skewed fantasy of who the aryans are, but would also harbor ideas of racial superiority based on the same.....AND feel kinship to the mentally dysfunctional white supremicts (without realizing their hidden agenda)..........is for lack of a better word, pathetic.

Another Idiot who believes in conspiracy theories....

[E.I.Walrus]

Another Idiot who believes in conspiracy theories....

:neutral:









:rofl:

[Understanding]

1) prove the KGB controls the Indian media.

2) you believe you are an ARYAN. you don't have the slightest idea what aryan means.

i know the following will be lost upon your biased racist ass, but i'm writing it for the sake of the rest of the poster....fell free to disregard.

aryan is NOT.....N O T.....a 'race'. the word, 'aryan' comes from the sanskrit word 'arya' which means 'wise and noble'. as such, the term was first used to refer to the people of the indus valley civilization, who lived in the area stretching from western afghanistan, to the north western parts of india.

archeological records showed the indus valley civilization to be the oldest civilization in the world...predating the egyptian civilization by several millenia. this fact had the startling implication that civilization started somewhere in the indian subcontinent, by the so-called 'aryan' people.

western historians convoluted facts and history to conjure up the 'aryan invasion theory', which proposed the idea of the aryans being caucasoids with a european origion, who invaded the area of the indus valley and then formed the civilization. that theory has long since been proven false.

'aryan' is an abstract term and demographically, it best describes the people of the indus valley who were most probably closest to semitic in appearance. by now, millenia of intermixing with the dravidians of the south, and persians, turks etc. has caused for a complete dissolution of the indus valley natives.....thereby there are no pure 'aryans' left anymore.

that someone like Sona9999 would not only have a wildly skewed fantasy of who the aryans are, but would also harbor ideas of racial superiority based on the same.....AND feel kinship to the mentally dysfunctional white supremicts (without realizing their hidden agenda)..........is for lack of a better word, pathetic.

Whoa ... excellent points and very well-said :D !!!

[Understanding]

the best reply to Sona9999 :clap:

Thanx love :wavey: !!!. I like SONA9999!!! This is fun :D !!!

[Sona9999]

And the proof that the, Indian papers are controlled by communists. Is you believe in conspiracy theories. All this shit about an Aryan Invasion not happening is made up by Marxist-Leninist.

[Understanding]

mother of ironies.....

she feels blacks shouldn't be on a desi site, doesn't support stormfront, but does swear by aryan-nations.

LOL.

SONA you are getting intellectually stomped right now. Quit while u're ahead. This isn't going as u planned :neutral: . Leave 4 while ... regroup ... come back later with more propaganda. Oh and shut the door quietly on the way out :p !!!

[rex_maximus]

Another Idiot who believes in conspiracy theories....

thats it? thats your rebuttal?

i think its been established fairly unanimously who the disillusioned fool around here is.

so :gtfo:

[Sona9999]

thats it? thats your rebuttal?

i think its been established fairly unanimously who the disillusioned fool around here is.

so :gtfo:


Shouldn't you be on: http://www.cpiml.org/ with the shit you post?

[rex_maximus]

Shouldn't you be on: http://www.cpiml.org/ with the shit you post?

truly, i love the commies...

http://forums.ratedesi.com/showpost.php?p=5502144&postcount=21

sidenote: Sona9999's horrendous arguements, broken logic, scattered thoughts, inability for decent comebacks, and retarded views are curiously reminiscent of that other clown, street_scholar.

[Sona9999]

truly, i love the commies...

http://forums.ratedesi.com/showpost.php?p=5502144&postcount=21

sidenote: Sona9999's horrendous arguements, broken logic, scattered thoughts, inability for decent comebacks, and retarded views are curiously reminiscent of that other clown, street_scholar.

The topic is about black Music can you sick to it?

[Sona9999]

I would ask everyone to stay on topic as we have side tracked alittle.

[Alright De$i]

Anyway, this is my first topic in the SD section. So am keeping it pretty simple and straight forward rather then copy and pasting a massive article.

Anyway from personal experiences and am not going to lie, I do enjoy rap and R'n'B. However some of the music is pretty racist I mean for instance take Kanya (?) West. If you actually listen to the lyrics he is mainly blaming the whites for all the problems of the blacks. And its not only him, there are many other artists doing the same.

Now if the tables were turned and it was white people making music about blacks creating all the problems such as drugs, guns, abuse of women ect, ect. - The stuff which is true due to the rise of gang culture, there would be an outcry, the black community would be out in arms to protest against it.

The blacks sometimes remind me of Jews who cry out antisemitism every time you try and raise a few points with them, its the same thing what blacks do generally if someone was to raise the issue about this he/she would be labeled a racist if the person was not black.

The answer to your question: YES

Why can ''they'' say ******, why is that term allowed air time, but not allowed on the street? They are racist to themselves first of all.

Now the blame culture, ALL races have had it tough, not matter if your asian, black or white, or whatever, we all have history. When it comes to good race relations, history should remain history. If it should be bought up, it should be bought up in an educational sense only, and not in a abusive manner i.e. ''we blacks or we whites have had it tough'' To the idiotic person, that will brainwash them and only promote segregation. So all racist music needs to be banned, unless it's potrayed in a clever way. I.e music is part of our hertiage, you can get the same message across but lawfully, i.e not saying ''*****'' in music, that way it should be alright.

[bandogge]

do you think its racist if a white guy sings along to a hip hop tune with the word ***** in it?

[Sona9999]

do you think its racist if a white guy sings along to a hip hop tune with the word ***** in it?

Yes.

[aachoudhry]

no shuggie! i dont like noogie boogie and i dont like their noogie music with their porch noogie jungle boogie beats!

[PaKi_PeRfEcTiOn]

First of all u need 2 calm down. There's no need 4 name calling. Some of what i said didn't even apply 2u. It applied 2 the poster so take a chill and stop with the generalizations which u made a couple of. First u said that "most black people aren't doing something with their lives" and 2 that i say REALLY :sarb: ? Do u claim 2 KNOW most black people? Do u know all of the blacks in ghettos or do u know all of the young kids in colleges who don't make the 5:00 news? Nope. Like I said be4 what u see on the news and read in newspaper doesn't account 4 a total reality. Next u said that people from other countries come here and make the most of it ... "why don't black people"? A lot of black people take advantage of opportunities but how would u know that? I can point out a number of blacks that I know personally who defy stereotypes. This one black guy I work with is a Caseworker like me but is also a Chemistry & Math Professor. A good friend of mine from college is Comptroller 4 a subsidiary of GE Capital. Another buddy of mine from high school used 2 be an Institutional Sales Rep 4 a major financial institution and made enough money such that he quit and now looks 4 people with small businesses that he can invest in and turn a profit on. A lot of information like what I just told u in regards 2 my friends u won't come across b/c my friends [like most people] don't advertise their lives. They just work hard like u and your parents and try 2 live their lives above all of the ignorance around them. U also say that most blacks feel the need 2 "take the easy way out by doing illegal sh*t." In ghettos? Yes. But in middle class neighborhoods from coast 2 coast? No. And yes there is a very real and thriving middle [and even upper-middle] class in America. There was piece on 60 Minutes about a year ago about "New Money" as it related 2 a cluster of upper-middle class, black neighborhoods spread throughout the south and it was brilliant :o . U stop just short of saying that most blacks are crooks and criminals. Too damn many are incarcerated and I'll be the FIRST 2 admit that but its not like the numbers of free, non-criminals are outweighed by those incarcerated. Not even close. People warned me when I first joined that I would encounter a lot of ignorance that would need correcting and they weren't kidding. Damn. And 4 what its worth I honestly don't believe that u have anything against black people. I really don't. I think that u just feel extremely comfortable going with what u see on the news and reading in papers as if though that's all there is 2 it. If I thought in stereotypical ways about desis the stuff u express about blacks I'd be afraid 2 ride a bus, train or plane if I saw some1 with brown skin who "looked like a terrorist" as they say. Come on now ... stop. These generalizations are boring :bored:.

ok you know what, i said i was done with this lol..but last comment...

first of all can you shut the fuck up about how you know so many black people that are going to school..I ALREADY FUCKIN SAID I WASNT SAYING ALL BLACK PEOPLE ARE A BUNCH OF NOTHINGS..HOLY FUCK GET THAT THROUGH YOUR DUMBASS. There are plenty of black people who are becoming somthing in life but there ARENT ENOUGH..there are many black people who arent going to school..who arent trying to get jobs..who arent following the laws...black people are still treated like shit and looked at as nothing but trash because the majority of them are fuckin retards...and i aM not basing this on what i see on tv or whatever the hell else you said...have i said anything that would prove i listen to the fuckin news or tv and base every fuckin thing on it?..if it were like that then I WOULD BE COMPLETLY RACIST AND AGAINST BLACK PEOPLE..when i see somthing wrong is being said (eg.when some idiot said that black people started talkin about volience in their music or w.e i defended that...) i am just saying..i dont beleive i am generalizing the black community..i am just talking about the majoirty of black people living in the ghetto and how their actions are giving them a bad name..

Easlier you mentioned how some white people live in poor places as well..and yeah people are aware of that..but do you know why nobody looks at white people and makes comments about them being poor? BECAUSE THE MAJORITY OF THEM ARE RICH AND DO HAVE JOBS AND ARE DOING SOMTHING IN LIFE...AS FOR BLACK PEOPLE..THEY ARE LOOKED DOWN ON BECAUSE MOST OF THE PEOPLE LIVING IN THE GHETTO ARE CAUSING VIOLENCE..DOING ILLEGAL SHIT..DROPPING OUT OF SCHOOL ETC...MOST OF THEM ARE ON WELFARE AND THAT IS GIVING THEM A BAD NAME...UNLESS THOSE PEOPLE TRY HARDER AND GET THEMSELVES OUT OF THOSE PLACES AND ACHIEVE SOMTHING IN LIFE..THE WAY BLACK PEOPLE ARE LOOKED AT WILL NEVER CHANGE...IF YOU HAVNT NOTICE..HUMAN NATURE IS QUICKER TO POINT OUT THE BAD IN SOMONE THEN THE GOOD..and same goes for races..IF THE MAJORITY OF BLACK (or any race) PEOPLE ARE DOING "BAD" THINGS then that is what people are going to see and that is what they are going to remember ..AND IF U HAVE MORE BAD THEN GOOD THEN NOBODY IS GONNA PAY ATTENTION TO THE GOOD..
oh and another thing before i end this long ass comment lol..you said that you were warned about comming here and facing desis who were ignorant and all that other horse shit..what are you saying we're dumb and dont know anything? why did u come here anyways?..if you already "knew" desi's are ignorant when it comes to black people or what the hell ever else..WHY THE HELL DID U COME HERE..(now dont get me wrong i didnt say dont come here..i am just saying if you've been told that desi's are ignorant about your people then why would you waste time comming here to a site FULL OF DESIS and meeting them? You cant telll me you came here to educate us and expect to change our minds about what we know or see...thats bull shit..everybody looks at things differently..and excluding the idiotic ass comments some of the people make..most of us know what we are talking about...not everybody can agree or say they feel the same way about a certain thing/topic..also that other bitch trying to make comments on ratedesi being racist..how so?...and even if there are why dont you be the bigger person and just leave?..why try and blame rate desi? racism is everywhere...and if you feel like you are being targeted then just LEAVE..

I've been on other sites like blackplanet and let me tell you..there are FAR MORE racist people on there then you can ever possibly imagine rate desi having..i am not trying to compete here or say who is more racist..i am just simply saying.. mayb you feel that way because you are not a desi..people will make comments about it because they see that you are different..it does not mean that you go and turn it around and say that they are being racist..now i dont know why exactly you feel they were being racist but I do strongly believe that most black people purposly try and find a way to turn a comment made towards them, whether its about their hair..body..skin colour or whatever else into a racist comment ..why? I dont know...BUT anyways thats other story and i am not gonna get into that ;) ..i am DONE lolz

[PaKi_PeRfEcTiOn]

real quick i'd just like to add...i think that black people are given a bad name because of what happens in the states (since America is the richest country and is known by everybody) I HAVE notice black people here in Canada (along with other countries) are alot smarter and overall better people then the black people living in the United States.. Now it could be because of the way Canada's system is compared to the states or the living conditions or the laws or whatever else made..but it really shows the difference between blacks living in those two countries...there can be many differnt things said as to why black people living in the states act the way they do (and i know people are going to try and shove SLAVERY up my ass)..but that has nothing to do with todays world..you can not say that Americans act the way they do because of what happen a long as time ago..things have changed and so have most people...

[PaKi_PeRfEcTiOn]

No, thanks. you're kind of a waste of time. I understand, that you're hard headed and do not wish to be enlightened. You made this clear everytime you replied to understanding with more garbage. You're doing a fine job making an ass of yourself and showing how ignorant you are. I just want to congratulate you! :clap:
yoour quick to tell people they are full of shit and are making an ass out of themselves but yet you do nothing to back it up... ;) ..mind sharing?

[Understanding]

no shuggie! i dont like noogie boogie and i dont like their noogie music with their porch noogie jungle boogie beats!

"Noogie music and porch noogie jungle boogie beats" huh :D? A lot of it is debasing no question. And since this thread started out being about music and the poster requested that we stay on topic. How about some rap lyrics that actually have some positive and insightful relevance and meaning?

As far as "Noogie Music" which is a cute way of saying Ni**er music how about these lyrics 4 Ni**er Music?

"I know a girl her boyfriend was a fugitive
She's intuitive stuck on some stupid sh*t
She called the cops b/c she hated his mother
Now he's away doin' numbers and now she's gay with a lover
How many kids are gonna' die this summer?
I pump life thru my music b/c this life is a wonder
There's an officer in a Squad Car he's a prostitute serial killer its odd huh?
Cuz' he's same cop in Church with his wife
He's molesting their son and she ignores it at night
This little bad a** bastard lit a match
That killed Betty Shabazz @ her pad while she slept
Some say Prescott Bush funded Hitler man this world is like a twister
I'm sayin' what 2 expect ... Imagine what's next?"

NAS- "Reasons"

-OR-

"I know u heard the noise
Preachers touchin' on alter boys
Sodomizing, not realizing God is watching be4 the LORD ...
How can they do the devils' work?
A man give a little boy head in Church?
Hell it hurts just 2 fathom the thought
Makes me wanna flee the earth."

NAS- "If Heaven Was A Mile Away"

-OR-

"At exactly what point will u start 2 realize
That life without knowledge is like death in disguise?"

-TALIB KWELI- Knowledge of Self-Determination

-OR-

"These cats drink champaign
Make toasts 2 Death and Pain
Kinda' like slaves on a ship talkin' about who's got the flyest chain."

TALIB KWELI- "Africa"

-OR- one of my favorites ...

"Turning nothin' in2 somethin' is God's work
And u get nothin' without struggle and hard work
War is neccessary 2 my brothers in chains from 'Greene' 2 'Sing-Sing'
I'm wantin' u 2 know 1 thing ...
The hardest thing is 2 forgive and God does
Even if u murdered or robbed yeah its wrong but God Loves
Take one step toward Him He'll take two 2wards u
B/c even when all else fails God supports u."

-NAS- "What's The Word?"

So u see :D ... there is actually "noogie music" with at least a tidbit of cultural, societal and/or spiritual relevance. Unlike some other types of music which I won't get in2 here ;) . Just thought a little positivity might be good.

[Understanding]

ok you know what, i said i was done with this lol..but last comment...

first of all can you shut the fuck up about how you know so many black people that are going to school..I ALREADY FUCKIN SAID I WASNT SAYING ALL BLACK PEOPLE ARE A BUNCH OF NOTHINGS..HOLY FUCK GET THAT THROUGH YOUR DUMBASS. There are plenty of black people who are becoming somthing in life but there ARENT ENOUGH..there are many black people who arent going to school..who arent trying to get jobs..who arent following the laws...black people are still treated like shit and looked at as nothing but trash because the majority of them are fuckin retards...and i aM not basing this on what i see on tv or whatever the hell else you said...have i said anything that would prove i listen to the fuckin news or tv and base every fuckin thing on it?..if it were like that then I WOULD BE COMPLETLY RACIST AND AGAINST BLACK PEOPLE..when i see somthing wrong is being said (eg.when some idiot said that black people started talkin about volience in their music or w.e i defended that...) i am just saying..i dont beleive i am generalizing the black community..i am just talking about the majoirty of black people living in the ghetto and how their actions are giving them a bad name..

Easlier you mentioned how some white people live in poor places as well..and yeah people are aware of that..but do you know why nobody looks at white people and makes comments about them being poor? BECAUSE THE MAJORITY OF THEM ARE RICH AND DO HAVE JOBS AND ARE DOING SOMTHING IN LIFE...AS FOR BLACK PEOPLE..THEY ARE LOOKED DOWN ON BECAUSE MOST OF THE PEOPLE LIVING IN THE GHETTO ARE CAUSING VIOLENCE..DOING ILLEGAL SHIT..DROPPING OUT OF SCHOOL ETC...MOST OF THEM ARE ON WELFARE AND THAT IS GIVING THEM A BAD NAME...UNLESS THOSE PEOPLE TRY HARDER AND GET THEMSELVES OUT OF THOSE PLACES AND ACHIEVE SOMTHING IN LIFE..THE WAY BLACK PEOPLE ARE LOOKED AT WILL NEVER CHANGE...IF YOU HAVNT NOTICE..HUMAN NATURE IS QUICKER TO POINT OUT THE BAD IN SOMONE THEN THE GOOD..and same goes for races..IF THE MAJORITY OF BLACK (or any race) PEOPLE ARE DOING "BAD" THINGS then that is what people are going to see and that is what they are going to remember ..AND IF U HAVE MORE BAD THEN GOOD THEN NOBODY IS GONNA PAY ATTENTION TO THE GOOD..
oh and another thing before i end this long ass comment lol..you said that you were warned about comming here and facing desis who were ignorant and all that other horse shit..what are you saying we're dumb and dont know anything? why did u come here anyways?..if you already "knew" desi's are ignorant when it comes to black people or what the hell ever else..WHY THE HELL DID U COME HERE..(now dont get me wrong i didnt say dont come here..i am just saying if you've been told that desi's are ignorant about your people then why would you waste time comming here to a site FULL OF DESIS and meeting them? You cant telll me you came here to educate us and expect to change our minds about what we know or see...thats bull shit..everybody looks at things differently..and excluding the idiotic ass comments some of the people make..most of us know what we are talking about...not everybody can agree or say they feel the same way about a certain thing/topic..also that other bitch trying to make comments on ratedesi being racist..how so?...and even if there are why dont you be the bigger person and just leave?..why try and blame rate desi? racism is everywhere...and if you feel like you are being targeted then just LEAVE..

I've been on other sites like blackplanet and let me tell you..there are FAR MORE racist people on there then you can ever possibly imagine rate desi having..i am not trying to compete here or say who is more racist..i am just simply saying.. mayb you feel that way because you are not a desi..people will make comments about it because they see that you are different..it does not mean that you go and turn it around and say that they are being racist..now i dont know why exactly you feel they were being racist but I do strongly believe that most black people purposly try and find a way to turn a comment made towards them, whether its about their hair..body..skin colour or whatever else into a racist comment ..why? I dont know...BUT anyways thats other story and i am not gonna get into that ;) ..i am DONE lolz

"Plenty", "Some", "Most", "Not All" ... o.k ... I see.

[youngblackceo]

As another poster said there is no convincing u. U talk about "a few token blacks" but what the hell do u know? U speak as if though u're the sum
total of all available knowledge 4 all races and u're not. U talk about "a few token blacks" but again what do u speak from ... experiences in corporate Amercan companies thruout the United States? I've already said that black people are their own worst enemy and that their biggest problem is black on black crime not committing crimes against white people so u're not saying anything of substance. I see u made mention of some crimes allegedly committed by blacks against whites but it means nothing b/c more whites kill one another than blacks just as more blacks kill one another so stop with the inflammatory bullsh*t. As far Token Successful blacks ... again how do u claim 2 know how successful Black people are as a race? Do u know specifics about every black family in America? Have u visited a historically black college such as Tuskegee University where The President visited recently and was given an update on the students research into areas like Nanotechnology? What do u really know except the bad news [about blacks and whites] which sells and is always reported? And even if the individuals I named are Token success stories [which they are not] those are still some lofty achievements. Calling the achievements token successes makes u sound like a "hater". U talk about "propaganda" but is the unjustified fear or uneasiness that a good number of whites have when they now see Desis also based on propaganda? They will never whole-heartedly accept u as one of their own [if in fact u are desi] so stop sounding like a wanna-be White Supremacist. As far as the rap artist Proof ... he died over some bullsh*t and when I heard the news I shook my head. Just like I shook my head when I heard about the guy out in Seattle who murdered not one BUT SIX young people. Proof and the other guy had an argument. What was the guy in Seattle's excuse? Be4 he left the party by-standers said it seemed like he was having a good time ... :sarb: . And while we're at it what was the "Angel of Death's" excuse? I'm sure u heard about the white male nurse who killed between 25-30 patients in hospitals in NJ and PA. Yet another white serial killer. But blacks are the cause of most of socities ills right? I guess its black people's fault that white serial killers exist :p ! Oh and regarding your comment stating "It would be a slap if blacks stopped buying the records ..." now u're really talking sh*t cuz the majority of rap music is purchased by white kids. Sadly enough a lot of the kids in the inner-cities can't even afford 2 buy a C.D :no: which is why something called "bootlegging" is so prevalent. Its mostly white kids in North and South Dakota, Iowa, Maine, Vermont, Nebraska etc. buying that sh*t so talk what u know. Lastly as far black parents and their kids u don't want 2 go there with me. I'm a Senior Child Protective Services CW and I can tell u plenty of actual cases I've had with Black families who love their children and are willing to do anything 2 save them from the streets, gangs, etc: including accepting Preventive Srvcs., going 2 counseling, filing a P.I.N.S petition. I can also tell u plenty of cases with white families who are so busy chasing the American dream of wealth by any means that they leave their children @ home 4 loooong periods of time 2 experiment with drugs, guns, etc. These are families that I have personally dealt with so I'm not talking a bout a newspaper/magazine or quoting statistics like yourself. That's how Columbine and a few other similar scenarios happened. The parents were so busy working 2 pay the mortgage on the estate that they somehow overlooked little Jonny in his room building home made bombs and polishing up his rifle. That's good parenting ;) . In closing keep generalizing about black people. If The Klan and The Aryan Nations set off their much written about race war and they come after u and your family in an effort 2 "clean America up" or a next generation "Oklahoma Bomber" decides 2 bomb your building ... I guarantee u won't be be thinking or complaining about how those darn blacks are the cause of most of the ills in society :rolleyes: .


What's up brother understanding?
I see you holding it down brother but it is not necessary to try to prove our humanity to other people.
The fact that our humanity is questioned by others only means that we have to use our collective energy to develop real power.
This is the task of black people especially Black men brother understanding.
Do not waste your time and energy debating on useless topics such as this with people because it is a waste of time.

[Understanding]

What's up brother understanding?
I see you holding it down brother but it is not necessary to try to prove our humanity to other people.
The fact that our humanity is questioned by others only means that we have to use our collective energy to develop real power.
This is the task of black people especially Black men brother understanding.
Do not waste your time and energy debating on useless topics such as this with people because it is a waste of time.

I hear u. But i guess 2 some extent debating is in my blood. There are some here who don't care 4 the truth or a different perspective but there are others who do and who are looking 2 have their way of thinking challenged 4 their own enlightenment as I am. Perhaps they are far and few in between but I have encountered my share here and it is those individuals who make this place a pleasure 2 come 2 and who ocaasionally make it a pleaseure 4 me 2 speak my mind whether they agree with me or disagree.

[PaKi_PeRfEcTiOn]

"Plenty", "Some", "Most", "Not All" ... o.k ... I see.

"what" "the" "hell" "are" "you" "sayin"?!

[youngblackceo]

I hear u. But i guess 2 some extent debating is in my blood. There are some here who don't care 4 the truth or a different perspective but there are others who do and who are looking 2 have their way of thinking challenged 4 their own enlightenment as I am. Perhaps they are far and few in between but I have encountered my share here and it is those individuals who make this place a pleasure 2 come 2 and who ocaasionally make it a pleaseure 4 me 2 speak my mind whether they agree with me or disagree.

Hey, there is nothing wrong with wanting to debate brother I enjoyed reading your responses.
I too enjoy debating and getting feedback from others. So I definitely do not want to discourage you from doing so.
Brother understanding the point I'm trying to make is that we have to be more strategic in how we think.
The question that was poised in the original post did not deserve a honest and intelligent response from any blackman or woman.

When counterproductive questions are ask such as this one. Don't waste energy in answering them.
Because the people who ask them are not looking for honest, and intelligent responses.
These type of questions will only get you into worthless debates with people who for the most part already have made and assumption about us. No matter what type of evidence you come up with to challenge their assumptions the outcome will be the same.

These type of debates will only get you emotional riled up and keep you from focusing on what our real problems are as a African people.

So let them believe and think what they want.
Use their arrogance and stupidity against them.
When a question like this is ask from now on brother, just sitback and listen to the responses.
You can learn alot from your enemy by just sitting back and watching and listening to what they have to say.
Take notes brother we as a people need to stop responding to everything based on our emotions.
It is time for us to learn the pychology of our enemies and the best way to do that is to give them the stage sometimes. Just sitback and take notes so we can learn their true intentions.

[DesiPrince005]

Hey, there is nothing wrong with wanting to debate brother I enjoyed reading your responses.
I too enjoy debating and getting feedback from others. So I definitely do not want to discourage you from doing so.
Brother understanding the point I'm trying to make is that we have to be more strategic in how we think.
The question that was poised in the original post did not deserve a honest and intelligent response from any blackman or woman.

When counterproductive questions are ask such as this one. Don't waste energy in answering them.
Because the people who ask them are not looking for honest, and intelligent responses.
These type of questions will only get you into worthless debates with people who for the most part already have made and assumption about us. No matter what type of evidence you come up with to challenge their assumptions the outcome will be the same.

These type of debates will only get you emotional riled up and keep you from focusing on what our real problems are as a African people.

So let them believe and think what they want.
Use their arrogance and stupidity against them.
When a question like this is ask from now on brother, just sitback and listen to the responses.
You can learn alot from your enemy by just sitting back and watching and listening to what they have to say.
Take notes brother we as a people need to stop responding to everything based on our emotions.
It is time for us to learn the pychology of our enemies and the best way to do that is to give them the stage sometimes. Just sitback and take notes so we can learn their true intentions.

:) soo true, i agree with you

[DesiPrince005]

"what" "the" "hell" "are" "you" "sayin"?!

he is referring to ur contradiction of words "MIZz SlowNess"

[DesiPrince005]

just reposting what he said so its the last thing people read


Hey, there is nothing wrong with wanting to debate brother I enjoyed reading your responses.
I too enjoy debating and getting feedback from others. So I definitely do not want to discourage you from doing so.
Brother understanding the point I'm trying to make is that we have to be more strategic in how we think.
The question that was poised in the original post did not deserve a honest and intelligent response from any blackman or woman.

When counterproductive questions are ask such as this one. Don't waste energy in answering them.
Because the people who ask them are not looking for honest, and intelligent responses.
These type of questions will only get you into worthless debates with people who for the most part already have made and assumption about us. No matter what type of evidence you come up with to challenge their assumptions the outcome will be the same.

These type of debates will only get you emotional riled up and keep you from focusing on what our real problems are as a African people.

So let them believe and think what they want.
Use their arrogance and stupidity against them.
When a question like this is ask from now on brother, just sitback and listen to the responses.
You can learn alot from your enemy by just sitting back and watching and listening to what they have to say.
Take notes brother we as a people need to stop responding to everything based on our emotions.
It is time for us to learn the pychology of our enemies and the best way to do that is to give them the stage sometimes. Just sitback and take notes so we can learn their true intentions.

[PaKi_PeRfEcTiOn]

he is referring to ur contradiction of words "MIZz SlowNess"
lol i dont know what the hell he's talking about..I've been saying the same thing through out my posts..just in a different way..i've said "most" which means "not all"..i said "some" because before that i said NOT ALL BLACK PEOPLE ARE A BUNCH OF NOTHINGS....this guy is only looking at the words i used rather then the sentences i used them in..but ANYWAYS..screw this..THIS GUY IS JUST GOING IN CIRCLES..IM NOT WASTING ANYMORE TIME ON THIS..oh yeah and thanks "mR I'm So DaMn SmARt I NeEd To CaLl OtHEr PeOpLe SlOw" :mad: lol

[PaKi_PeRfEcTiOn]

Hey, there is nothing wrong with wanting to debate brother I enjoyed reading your responses.
I too enjoy debating and getting feedback from others. So I definitely do not want to discourage you from doing so.
Brother understanding the point I'm trying to make is that we have to be more strategic in how we think.
The question that was poised in the original post did not deserve a honest and intelligent response from any blackman or woman.

When counterproductive questions are ask such as this one. Don't waste energy in answering them.
Because the people who ask them are not looking for honest, and intelligent responses.
These type of questions will only get you into worthless debates with people who for the most part already have made and assumption about us. No matter what type of evidence you come up with to challenge their assumptions the outcome will be the same.

These type of debates will only get you emotional riled up and keep you from focusing on what our real problems are as a African people.

So let them believe and think what they want.
Use their arrogance and stupidity against them.
When a question like this is ask from now on brother, just sitback and listen to the responses.
You can learn alot from your enemy by just sitting back and watching and listening to what they have to say.
Take notes brother we as a people need to stop responding to everything based on our emotions.
It is time for us to learn the pychology of our enemies and the best way to do that is to give them the stage sometimes. Just sitback and take notes so we can learn their true intentions.
AWW..THAT WAS VERY WELL SAID :D

[Shashanna]

he is referring to ur contradiction of words "MIZz SlowNess"

:rofl:

[Shashanna]

Hey, there is nothing wrong with wanting to debate brother I enjoyed reading your responses.
I too enjoy debating and getting feedback from others. So I definitely do not want to discourage you from doing so.
Brother understanding the point I'm trying to make is that we have to be more strategic in how we think.
The question that was poised in the original post did not deserve a honest and intelligent response from any blackman or woman.

When counterproductive questions are ask such as this one. Don't waste energy in answering them.
Because the people who ask them are not looking for honest, and intelligent responses.
These type of questions will only get you into worthless debates with people who for the most part already have made and assumption about us. No matter what type of evidence you come up with to challenge their assumptions the outcome will be the same.

These type of debates will only get you emotional riled up and keep you from focusing on what our real problems are as a African people.

So let them believe and think what they want.
Use their arrogance and stupidity against them.
When a question like this is ask from now on brother, just sitback and listen to the responses.
You can learn alot from your enemy by just sitting back and watching and listening to what they have to say.
Take notes brother we as a people need to stop responding to everything based on our emotions.
It is time for us to learn the pychology of our enemies and the best way to do that is to give them the stage sometimes. Just sitback and take notes so we can learn their true intentions.

*thumbs up*

[Understanding]

Hey, there is nothing wrong with wanting to debate brother I enjoyed reading your responses.
I too enjoy debating and getting feedback from others. So I definitely do not want to discourage you from doing so.
Brother understanding the point I'm trying to make is that we have to be more strategic in how we think.
The question that was poised in the original post did not deserve a honest and intelligent response from any blackman or woman.

When counterproductive questions are ask such as this one. Don't waste energy in answering them.
Because the people who ask them are not looking for honest, and intelligent responses.
These type of questions will only get you into worthless debates with people who for the most part already have made and assumption about us. No matter what type of evidence you come up with to challenge their assumptions the outcome will be the same.

These type of debates will only get you emotional riled up and keep you from focusing on what our real problems are as a African people.

So let them believe and think what they want.
Use their arrogance and stupidity against them.
When a question like this is ask from now on brother, just sitback and listen to the responses.
You can learn alot from your enemy by just sitting back and watching and listening to what they have to say.
Take notes brother we as a people need to stop responding to everything based on our emotions.
It is time for us to learn the pychology of our enemies and the best way to do that is to give them the stage sometimes. Just sitback and take notes so we can learn their true intentions.

Very well said. Excellent points and they are well recieved. I will most assuredly keep that in mind in the future.

[Understanding]

he is referring to ur contradiction of words "MIZz SlowNess"

Thanx DesiPrince. Much appreciated.

[dr_sinister1001]

Hey, there is nothing wrong with wanting to debate brother I enjoyed reading your responses.
I too enjoy debating and getting feedback from others. So I definitely do not want to discourage you from doing so.
Brother understanding the point I'm trying to make is that we have to be more strategic in how we think.
The question that was poised in the original post did not deserve a honest and intelligent response from any blackman or woman.

When counterproductive questions are ask such as this one. Don't waste energy in answering them.
Because the people who ask them are not looking for honest, and intelligent responses.
These type of questions will only get you into worthless debates with people who for the most part already have made and assumption about us. No matter what type of evidence you come up with to challenge their assumptions the outcome will be the same.

These type of debates will only get you emotional riled up and keep you from focusing on what our real problems are as a African people.

So let them believe and think what they want.
Use their arrogance and stupidity against them.
When a question like this is ask from now on brother, just sitback and listen to the responses.
You can learn alot from your enemy by just sitting back and watching and listening to what they have to say.
Take notes brother we as a people need to stop responding to everything based on our emotions.
It is time for us to learn the pychology of our enemies and the best way to do that is to give them the stage sometimes. Just sitback and take notes so we can learn their true intentions.

We're not your enemy black man, I find that the racism of brown people doesn't really go past lip service, so lighten up. I mean honestly think about it, when's the last time you got kicked out of a taxicab just for being a Negro?

:idea:

[BigPimpN]

ohh great..this site seems to be infecting itself with more racist each day
well sona...i hope u have a ball
lets hear about how rap music makes u feel less accepted by the black community and what thugs u think they are... ;)


btw...do u guys actually go out of ur way to surround urself with the 2% of black people that buy into the "ghetto" lifestyle..and tolerate you and ur bigotry?

most blacks dont even bother with you (they know how racist and hypocritical desis are)

i bet most people here would be too afraid to be around real black people who are actually aware of their history and are smart...who are trying to make changes in their community and laugh at the you racist-minded fools who actually think most black people sit around and listen to gangster rap all day.

does kanye threaten you??? because he represents alot of black people that understand institutional racism?
does it scare u that much? does his arrogance and accusations make u feel like u dont "know" the black community anymore?
wake up...none of you really know black people at all :p


where the fuck do you live? Australia?

[bandogge]

ok you know what, i said i was done with this lol..but last comment...

first of all can you shut the fuck up about how you know so many black people that are going to school..I ALREADY FUCKIN SAID I WASNT SAYING ALL BLACK PEOPLE ARE A BUNCH OF NOTHINGS..HOLY FUCK GET THAT THROUGH YOUR DUMBASS. There are plenty of black people who are becoming somthing in life but there ARENT ENOUGH..there are many black people who arent going to school..who arent trying to get jobs..who arent following the laws...black people are still treated like shit and looked at as nothing but trash because the majority of them are fuckin retards...and i aM not basing this on what i see on tv or whatever the hell else you said...have i said anything that would prove i listen to the fuckin news or tv and base every fuckin thing on it?..if it were like that then I WOULD BE COMPLETLY RACIST AND AGAINST BLACK PEOPLE..when i see somthing wrong is being said (eg.when some idiot said that black people started talkin about volience in their music or w.e i defended that...) i am just saying..i dont beleive i am generalizing the black community..i am just talking about the majoirty of black people living in the ghetto and how their actions are giving them a bad name..

Easlier you mentioned how some white people live in poor places as well..and yeah people are aware of that..but do you know why nobody looks at white people and makes comments about them being poor? BECAUSE THE MAJORITY OF THEM ARE RICH AND DO HAVE JOBS AND ARE DOING SOMTHING IN LIFE...AS FOR BLACK PEOPLE..THEY ARE LOOKED DOWN ON BECAUSE MOST OF THE PEOPLE LIVING IN THE GHETTO ARE CAUSING VIOLENCE..DOING ILLEGAL SHIT..DROPPING OUT OF SCHOOL ETC...MOST OF THEM ARE ON WELFARE AND THAT IS GIVING THEM A BAD NAME...UNLESS THOSE PEOPLE TRY HARDER AND GET THEMSELVES OUT OF THOSE PLACES AND ACHIEVE SOMTHING IN LIFE..THE WAY BLACK PEOPLE ARE LOOKED AT WILL NEVER CHANGE...IF YOU HAVNT NOTICE..HUMAN NATURE IS QUICKER TO POINT OUT THE BAD IN SOMONE THEN THE GOOD..and same goes for races..IF THE MAJORITY OF BLACK (or any race) PEOPLE ARE DOING "BAD" THINGS then that is what people are going to see and that is what they are going to remember ..AND IF U HAVE MORE BAD THEN GOOD THEN NOBODY IS GONNA PAY ATTENTION TO THE GOOD..
oh and another thing before i end this long ass comment lol..you said that you were warned about comming here and facing desis who were ignorant and all that other horse shit..what are you saying we're dumb and dont know anything? why did u come here anyways?..if you already "knew" desi's are ignorant when it comes to black people or what the hell ever else..WHY THE HELL DID U COME HERE..(now dont get me wrong i didnt say dont come here..i am just saying if you've been told that desi's are ignorant about your people then why would you waste time comming here to a site FULL OF DESIS and meeting them? You cant telll me you came here to educate us and expect to change our minds about what we know or see...thats bull shit..everybody looks at things differently..and excluding the idiotic ass comments some of the people make..most of us know what we are talking about...not everybody can agree or say they feel the same way about a certain thing/topic..also that other bitch trying to make comments on ratedesi being racist..how so?...and even if there are why dont you be the bigger person and just leave?..why try and blame rate desi? racism is everywhere...and if you feel like you are being targeted then just LEAVE..

I've been on other sites like blackplanet and let me tell you..there are FAR MORE racist people on there then you can ever possibly imagine rate desi having..i am not trying to compete here or say who is more racist..i am just simply saying.. mayb you feel that way because you are not a desi..people will make comments about it because they see that you are different..it does not mean that you go and turn it around and say that they are being racist..now i dont know why exactly you feel they were being racist but I do strongly believe that most black people purposly try and find a way to turn a comment made towards them, whether its about their hair..body..skin colour or whatever else into a racist comment ..why? I dont know...BUT anyways thats other story and i am not gonna get into that ;) ..i am DONE lolz

well said!!!

[DesiPrince005]

well said!!!

blind leading the blind...

the fool leading the foolish

[nyc23]

blacks r racist
shit on them

[DesiPrince005]

blacks r racist
shit on them

prove? :sarb:
*shit on them*

how delightful
but, no..u dont hate them :p

[rex_maximus]

blacks r racist
shit on them

shut up.

[Shashanna]

Just remember, if it weren't for US (blacks), YOU(brown people) wouldn't have rights here in america. ;)

[Understanding]

blacks r racist
shit on them

Well ... sense certain individuals here @ Rate Desi have been extremely instrumental in giving me examples of Desi's being hateful and/or racist 2wards Black people how about an example or two of what u speak? Just curious :sarb: .

[Understanding]

Just remember, if it weren't for US (blacks), YOU(brown people) wouldn't have rights here in america. ;)

Awww sh*t! Preach.

[fratty]

God, what happened to clean old fashion hate--Indians hating Pakistanis

[Shashanna]

Well ... sense certain individuals here @ Rate Desi have been extremely instrumental in giving me examples of Desi's being hateful and/or racist 2wards Black people how about an example or two of what u speak? Just curious :sarb: .

You know what i was thinking on my way back from taco bell? :rofl:

How the indians on this site get their opinions not from their own personal experience but from what they hear from others. Also, they act as if it's the 1950s. And although racism does exist...it's not as extreme as they make it out to be. whites and blacks have been together since the beginning of america's existence and although there was much hatred in the beginning...we have come to learn from each other and have been intergrating for decades.
Yet, the new immigrants/generation of indians which are very new and know little about the history of america and the african american culture.. have the nerve to talk crap about blacks when they don't seem to realize we fought not only for our rights but for everyone! and i look at it as a slap in the face... like where do you get your information from? forget about the rap stars and the poverty statistics... you need to learn to accept people on the individual level because no one is the same!!!

alot of people sound really ignorant.. i printed some comments out and used it in my film. Also, showed a few people and got a good laugh of how immature and ignorant some people are and i just take a step back and go , "wow".
Please grow up and stop this madness. you guys have the power to instill great change..we shouldn't be going through this crap in the millennium.


One Desi girl said, her mom would committ suicide if her daughter dated a black.....

since when did color become the determinant of life and death.

Is it just me, or does anyone else feel like this is completely insane and getting a bit out of control???? we're human beings. sure our color may be a little darker than yours but is that a reason to HATE and ridicule us?? each and everyone of us is unique and there's this social barrier and i feel it needs to be breached in order for us to stop discrimination.

btw, The hate and the ridicule just makes desis look REALLY bad. It is as if they cannot think for themselves.
and that is not a generalization because this is an subjective experience. from what i see, what i read in the past year on these forums, and what i had come to experience from my boyfriend, who happened to be desi.



http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f177/nleever0/Slide23.jpg

[Shashanna]

God, what happened to clean old fashion hate--Indians hating Pakistanis

why did indians hate pakis? I would really like to know. does this have to do with the country splitting into bangledesh?

[Fake Desi Boy]

You know what i was thinking on my way back from taco bell? :rofl:
the new generation of indians which are very new.. have the nerve to talk shit about blacks when they don't seem to realize we fought for not only our rights but everyone! and i look at it as a slap in the face... like where do you get your information from? forget about the rap stars and the poverty statistics... you need to learn to accept people on the individual level because no one is the same!!!


actually, more of the new generation of indians are growing up here in this country with racially open minds. there are a few dickheads who are socialogically illiterate. for the most part, this generation of desi are anti-racism compared to the previous old fashion generations who have not interracted with blacks. it's also good to look @ all the positive post about blacks(wich there are more of) that have been made by non-ignorant desis.
of course the few assholes need to see things from another perspective. but @ the same time, i give madd love and respect to all the desis who have deffended blacks and said good things.

[Shashanna]

actually, more of the new generation of indians are growing up here in this country with racially open minds. there are a few dickheads who are socialogically illiterate. for the most part, this generation of desi are anti-racism compared to the previous old fashion generations who have not interracted with blacks. it's also good to look @ all the positive post about blacks(wich there are more of) that have been made by non-ignorant desis.
of course the few assholes need to see things from another perspective. but @ the same time, i give madd love and respect to all the desis who have deffended blacks and said good things.

the old generation immigrants...what about the parents? who keep shoving the idea that blacks are bad?? it affects their children!! and from what i have come to know, parents come first in the desi culture!

and i haven't seen positive threads about blacks! care to show?

[Fake Desi Boy]

why did indians hate pakis? I would really like to know. does this have to do with the country splitting into bangledesh?
hindus(the majority of india) and muslims(the majority of paki-land) have been rivals for many centries. also the two have been fighting wars over the the land of Kashmire(almost spelled right). Bangladesh isn't a part of this. also bangladesh never split from india, it split from pakistan. the land at the time was known as "east pakistan"

[Shashanna]

hindus(the majority of india) and muslims(the majority of paki-land) have been rivals for many centries. also the two have been fighting wars over the the land of Kashmire(almost spelled right). Bangladesh isn't a part of this. also bangladesh never split from india, it split from pakistan. the land at the time was known as "east pakistan"

okay, thanks!

[Fake Desi Boy]

the old generation immigrants...what about the parents? who keep shoving the idea that blacks are bad?? it affects their children!! and from what i have come to know, parents come first in the desi culture!

and i haven't seen positive threads about blacks! care to show?
not all of the parents feel that blax are bad. for the desi parents out there that do feel that way and tell their kids this, it's too generic to simply state that "it affects their children". most of the desi children who grow up here do not agree with alot of racial issues that their parents might have. personallity development and moral growth is manipulated my various factors within a person's life. u dunno the case with all desi's when it comes to racial opinion. this site isn't the best representation of "desi mentallity"
desi parents often may come first when it comes to marriage. that doesn't account for everything. so u can't quickly say this is something u have "come to know"
i mentioned post. u haven't seen positive post about or in deffence of blacks? just look at the previous pages within this tread and u will find alot.

[Fake Desi Boy]

okay, thanks!
sure thing ;)

[Fake Desi Boy]

*sigh* this tread died! lol

[Fake Desi Boy]

i'm outta hea, 1

[Understanding]

...

[Understanding]

You know what i was thinking on my way back from taco bell? :rofl:

How the indians on this site get their opinions not from their own personal experience but from what they hear from others. Also, they act as if it's the 1950s. And although racism does exist...it's not as extreme as they make it out to be. whites and blacks have been together since the beginning of america's existence and although there was much hatred in the beginning...we have come to learn from each other and have been intergrating for decades.
Yet, the new immigrants/generation of indians which are very new and no little about the history of america and the african american culture.. have the nerve to talk crap about blacks when they don't seem to realize we fought not only our rights but for everyone! and i look at it as a slap in the face... like where do you get your information from? forget about the rap stars and the poverty statistics... you need to learn to accept people on the individual level because no one is the same!!!

alot of people sound really ignorant.. i printed some comments out and used it in my film. Also, showed a few people and got a good laugh of how immature and ignorant some people are and i just take a step back and go , "wow".
Please grow up and stop this madness. you guys have the power to instill great change..we shouldn't be going through this crap in the millennium.


One Desi girl said, her mom would committ suicide if her daughter dated a black.....

since when did color become the determinant of life and death.

Is it just me, or does anyone else feel like this is completely insane and getting a bit out of control???? we're human beings. sure our color may be a little darker than yours but is that a reason to HATE and ridicule us?? each and everyone of us is unique and there's this social barrier and i feel it needs to be breached in order for us to stop discrimination.

btw, The hate and the ridicule just makes desis look REALLY bad. It is as if they cannot think for themselves.
and that is not a generalization because this is an subjective experience. from what i see, what i read in the past year on these forums, and what i had come to experience from my boyfriend, who happened to be desi.

:( U touched me.

[Fake Desi Boy]

You know what i was thinking on my way back from taco bell? :rofl:
. from what i see, what i read in the past year on these forums, and what i had come to experience from my boyfriend, who happened to be desi.
Woa! that's a fucking shocker! :eek2: lol don't mind me

[Shashanna]

Woa! that's a fucking shocker! :eek2: lol don't mind me

:rofl:

not all of the parents feel that blax are bad. for the desi parents out there that do feel that way and tell their kids this, it's too generic to simply state that "it affects their children". most of the desi children who grow up here do not agree with alot of racial issues that their parents might have. personallity development and moral growth is manipulated my various factors within a person's life. u dunno the case with all desi's when it comes to racial opinion. this site isn't the best representation of "desi mentallity"
desi parents often may come first when it comes to marriage. that doesn't account for everything. so u can't quickly say this is something u have "come to know"
i mentioned post. u haven't seen positive post about or in deffence of blacks? just look at the previous pages within this tread and u will find alot.



I'm sorry i didn't read your last repost. Yeah, I know this may not be the best represention of the new generation "desi mentality", if there is one. but I'm talking about HERE on RD and how my generation present themselves to me!

I know that there are desis like my boyfriend who are open minded and believe in change and don't give in to what their parents biased opinions.when i say "come to know"..i'm talking directly to people on rd! I'm trying to encourage it and i want to see more of this.... :grouphug:

[Shashanna]

*sigh* this tread died! lol

I noticed the threads always die after i go on a rant. :no:
:p

[LOzzy]

rap has some racist tones but to say black music is racist in general is stupid

[LOzzy]

Just remember, if it weren't for US (blacks), YOU(brown people) wouldn't have rights here in america. ;)
im still not certain about that. wasnt the intentions of black leaders to help their people? after martin luther king several other ethnics had their own movements.

[Shashanna]

im still not certain about that. wasnt the intentions of black leaders to help their people? after martin luther king several other ethnics had their own movements.
:rolleyes:
well I am certain and the answer to your question is, NO. Why don't you go listen to the martin luther king speech.

[LOzzy]

:rolleyes:
well I am certain and the answer to your question is, NO. Why don't you go listen to the martin luther king speech.
ive listened to his speech and it is good.


If their actions were meant for everyone then why did other groups have their own movements after MLK? this question cannot be answered with yes or no.

[Shashanna]

ive listened to it his speech and it is good.


If their actions were meant for everyone then why did other groups have their own movements after MLK?


WHat is it with people always trying to find some sort of scapegoat? I know it's hard to accept this FACT but it will be okay. The point is, BLACKS were one of the first "brown" race or minority to experience discrimination and racism BUT also the FIRST minority race in america to establish reform movements. Please read about the abolition movement in the 18th century. Frederick Douglass, Harriet Tubman, and Brooker T. Washington are one of the most renowned abolitionists of that century.

Go to your nearest library and you may want to check these references out.
http://www.aaupnet.org/news/bfu/race/list.html#topictwo




But also, a new generation came about in the 50s and 60s which included martin luther king and he wanted equality for everyone. The indian population was not even in full effect but once the demographic grew, desis already had rights. The African Americans, Latinos, native americans and particularly the japanese already established minority social change.
you have to know all of America's history,UNDERSTAND it, and especially if your family was originally from America.. then you look at these silly comments on rd and just shake your head at how naive some people can truly be. :no:

In 1968 through the 70s . The political party, black panthers was created and although a black organization. they created bonds with latinos, asians, indians, and white organizations. People who believed in peace and freedom for all! They all fought against white supremacy and tried to "pull up the people" in many different spheres.

http://www.pbs.org/pov/pov2004/apantherinafrica/special_photo.html


Umm, no offence but it has alot to do with people being "fresh off the boat" as they say and maybe if you had generations upon generations who have come to experience & knowledgable of these revolutions in america THEN maybe people on rd wouldn't spend so much time trying to find some way to make themselves look better than other races. It's so pathetic!

1980s- "In 1984, Jackson became the second African American (after Shirley Chisholm YES the first black to run for president was a WOMAN!) to mount a nationwide campaign for President of the United States, running as a Democrat. A major controversy erupted during the early stages of the race, when Jackson was reported making remarks in which he referred to Jews as "hymies" and to New York City as "Hymietown," remarks for which he later issued a perfunctory apology. In the primaries, Jackson, who had been written off by pundits as a fringe candidate with little chance at winning the nomination, surprised many when he took third place behind Senator Gary Hart and former Vice President Walter Mondale, who eventually won the nomination. Jackson garnered 3.5 million votes and won five primaries, all in the South.

Four years later, in 1988, Jackson once again offered himself as a candidate for the nomination. This time, his successes in the past made him seem a more credible candidate, and he was both better financed and better organized. Although most people didn't seem to believe that he had a serious chance at winning, Jackson once again exceeded expectations as he more than doubled his previous results, capturing 6.9 million votes and winning eleven primaries. Briefly, after he won 55% of the vote in the Michigan primary, he was considered the frontrunner for the nomination, as he surpassed all the other candidates in total number of pledged delegates. In the end, however, he lost the nomination, coming a close second to Governor Michael Dukakis of Massachusetts, the eventual nominee.

In both races, Jackson ran on what many considered to be a very liberal platform. Declaring that he wanted to create a "Rainbow Coalition" of various minority groups, including African-Americans, Hispanics, the poor and working poor, women, and homosexuals, as well as White progressives who fit into none of those categories, Jackson ran on a platform that included:creating a WPA-style program to rebuild America's infrastructure and provide jobs to all Americans,
reprioritizing the War on Drugs to focus less on mandatory minimum sentences for drug users (which he views as racially biased) and more on harsher punishments for money-laundering bankers and others who are part of the "supply" end of "supply and demand,"
reversing Reaganomics-inspired tax cuts for the richest ten percent of Americans and using the money to finance social welfare programs,
cutting the budget of the Department of Defense by as much as fifteen percent over the course of his administration,
declaring Apartheid-era South Africa to be a rogue nation,
instituting an immediate nuclear freeze and beginning disarmament negotiations with the Soviet Union,
giving reparations to descendants of black slaves,
supporting family farmers by reviving many of Roosevelt's New Deal-era farm programs,
creating a single-payer system of universal health care,
ratifying the Equal Rights Amendment,
increasing federal funding for lower-level public education and providing free community college to all,
applying stricter enforcement of the Voting Rights Act, and
supporting the formation of a Palestinian state.
With the exception of a resolution to implement sanctions against South Africa for its Apartheid policies, none of these positions made it into the party's platform in either 1984 or 1988.

Although Jackson was one of the most liberal members of the Democratic Party, his views on abortion were originally more in line with pro-life views. Jackson once endorsed the pro-life Hyde Amendment and wrote an article in a 1977 National Right to Life Committee News report:

"There are those who argue that the right to privacy is of [a] higher order than the right to life ... that was the premise of slavery. You could not protest the existence or treatment of slaves on the plantation because that was private and therefore outside your right to be concerned.
"What happens to the mind of a person, and the moral fabric of a nation, that accepts the aborting of the life of a baby without a pang of conscience? What kind of a person and what kind of a society will we have twenty years hence if life can be taken so casually? It is that question, the question of our attitude, our value system, and our mind-set with regard to the nature and worth of life itself that is the central question confronting mankind. Failure to answer that question affirmatively may leave us with a hell right here on earth."
However, since then Rev. Jackson has adopted an openly pro-choice view, believing the right of a woman to terminate a pregnancy is fundamental and should not be infringed in any way by the government."

[FAKE ID]

i think desis should stop worryin about blacks and start worryin about themselves WHY? coz after 9/11 there's been no end 2 racism against desis (muslims) and its really a pain in the ass coz my parents wont lemme move back 2 new york :( and that sucks and and and it just sucks! and yea also i think most desis are racist against blacks is coz most black ppl are big and desi mommas are just shit scared they'll beat the hell outta their kids so peace :grouphug:

o and nahh i dont think the musics racist, they're just producin accordin 2 the public's demands.

[Shashanna]

i think desis should stop worryin about blacks and start worryin about themselves WHY? coz after 9/11 there's been no end 2 racism against desis (muslims) and its really a pain in the ass coz my parents wont lemme move back 2 new york :( and that sucks and and and it just sucks! and yea also i think most desis are racist against blacks is coz most black ppl are big and desi mommas are just shit scared they'll beat the hell outta their kids so peace :grouphug:

o and nahh i dont think the musics racist, they're just producin accordin 2 the public's demands.

I love the irony....

To Everyone: what have you learned from it?

NOTHING!







Thank you for that comment Fake ID

[Mini05]

Every Single Person In This World Is Somewhat Racist
Who Cares

[Shashanna]

Every Single Person In This World Is Somewhat Racist
Who Cares

:neutral:









i guess since we're talking about 9/11 & racism towards desis now we get the "who cares?" comment. Right on schedule.

[Mini05]

:neutral:









i guess since we're talking about 9/11 & racism towards desis now we get the "who cares?" comment. Right on schedule.

no hun is not tht.. i meant to say no metta wht happens everyone is still gonna make comments bout other ppl.. TAKE ME FOR EXAMPLE..
I CONSIDER MY SELF NOT RACIST
BUT SOMETIMES I DO END UP MAKIN RACIST COMMENTS..
and the ppl who are muslim have nuttin to do with 9/11 they just innocent ppl livin there life like everyone else..
and its osama tht should be punished!

[Shashanna]

no hun is not tht.. i meant to say no metta wht happens everyone is still gonna make comments bout other ppl.. TAKE ME FOR EXAMPLE..
I CONSIDER MY SELF NOT RACIST
BUT SOMETIMES I DO END UP MAKIN RACIST COMMENTS..
and the ppl who are muslim have nuttin to do with 9/11 they just innocent ppl livin there life like everyone else..
and its osama tht should be punished!

I know what you meant.

No need to explain. I was being facetious. ;)

:p

[Mini05]

I knew what you meant.

No need to explain. I was being facetious. ;)

:p
lol aww ok hehe
cuz i didnt mean to offend neone
:hug:
:kiss:

[Mini05]

I know what you meant.

No need to explain. I was being facetious. ;)

:p
i like the quote my MLK :) very nice
and i think its soo true alsoo

[Shashanna]

WHat is it with people always trying to find some sort of scapegoat? I know it's hard to accept this FACT but it will be okay. The point is, BLACKS were one of the first "brown" race or minority to experience discrimination and racism BUT also the FIRST minority race in america to establish reform movements. Please read about the abolition movement in the 18th century. Frederick Douglass, Harriet Tubman, and Brooker T. Washington are one of the most renowned abolitionists of that century.

Go to your nearest library and you may want to check these references out.
http://www.aaupnet.org/news/bfu/race/list.html#topictwo




But also, a new generation came about in the 50s and 60s which included martin luther king and he wanted equality for everyone. The indian population was not even in full effect but once the demographic grew, desis already had rights. The African Americans, Latinos, native americans and particularly the japanese already established minority social change.
you have to know all of America's history,UNDERSTAND it, and especially if your family was originally from America.. then you look at these silly comments on rd and just shake your head at how naive some people can truly be. :no:

In 1968 through the 70s . The political party, black panthers was created and although a black organization. they created bonds with latinos, asians, indians, and white organizations. People who believed in peace and freedom for all! They all fought against white supremacy and tried to "pull up the people" in many different spheres.

http://www.pbs.org/pov/pov2004/apantherinafrica/special_photo.html


Umm, no offence but it has alot to do with people being "fresh off the boat" as they say and maybe if you had generations upon generations who have come to experience & knowledgable of these revolutions in america THEN maybe people on rd wouldn't spend so much time trying to find some way to make themselves look better than other races. It's so pathetic!

1980s- "In 1984, Jackson became the second African American (after Shirley Chisholm YES the first black to run for president was a WOMAN!) to mount a nationwide campaign for President of the United States, running as a Democrat. A major controversy erupted during the early stages of the race, when Jackson was reported making remarks in which he referred to Jews as "hymies" and to New York City as "Hymietown," remarks for which he later issued a perfunctory apology. In the primaries, Jackson, who had been written off by pundits as a fringe candidate with little chance at winning the nomination, surprised many when he took third place behind Senator Gary Hart and former Vice President Walter Mondale, who eventually won the nomination. Jackson garnered 3.5 million votes and won five primaries, all in the South.

Four years later, in 1988, Jackson once again offered himself as a candidate for the nomination. This time, his successes in the past made him seem a more credible candidate, and he was both better financed and better organized. Although most people didn't seem to believe that he had a serious chance at winning, Jackson once again exceeded expectations as he more than doubled his previous results, capturing 6.9 million votes and winning eleven primaries. Briefly, after he won 55% of the vote in the Michigan primary, he was considered the frontrunner for the nomination, as he surpassed all the other candidates in total number of pledged delegates. In the end, however, he lost the nomination, coming a close second to Governor Michael Dukakis of Massachusetts, the eventual nominee.

In both races, Jackson ran on what many considered to be a very liberal platform. Declaring that he wanted to create a "Rainbow Coalition" of various minority groups, including African-Americans, Hispanics, the poor and working poor, women, and homosexuals, as well as White progressives who fit into none of those categories, Jackson ran on a platform that included:creating a WPA-style program to rebuild America's infrastructure and provide jobs to all Americans,
reprioritizing the War on Drugs to focus less on mandatory minimum sentences for drug users (which he views as racially biased) and more on harsher punishments for money-laundering bankers and others who are part of the "supply" end of "supply and demand,"
reversing Reaganomics-inspired tax cuts for the richest ten percent of Americans and using the money to finance social welfare programs,
cutting the budget of the Department of Defense by as much as fifteen percent over the course of his administration,
declaring Apartheid-era South Africa to be a rogue nation,
instituting an immediate nuclear freeze and beginning disarmament negotiations with the Soviet Union,
giving reparations to descendants of black slaves,
supporting family farmers by reviving many of Roosevelt's New Deal-era farm programs,
creating a single-payer system of universal health care,
ratifying the Equal Rights Amendment,
increasing federal funding for lower-level public education and providing free community college to all,
applying stricter enforcement of the Voting Rights Act, and
supporting the formation of a Palestinian state.
With the exception of a resolution to implement sanctions against South Africa for its Apartheid policies, none of these positions made it into the party's platform in either 1984 or 1988.

Although Jackson was one of the most liberal members of the Democratic Party, his views on abortion were originally more in line with pro-life views. Jackson once endorsed the pro-life Hyde Amendment and wrote an article in a 1977 National Right to Life Committee News report:

"There are those who argue that the right to privacy is of [a] higher order than the right to life ... that was the premise of slavery. You could not protest the existence or treatment of slaves on the plantation because that was private and therefore outside your right to be concerned.
"What happens to the mind of a person, and the moral fabric of a nation, that accepts the aborting of the life of a baby without a pang of conscience? What kind of a person and what kind of a society will we have twenty years hence if life can be taken so casually? It is that question, the question of our attitude, our value system, and our mind-set with regard to the nature and worth of life itself that is the central question confronting mankind. Failure to answer that question affirmatively may leave us with a hell right here on earth."
However, since then Rev. Jackson has adopted an openly pro-choice view, believing the right of a woman to terminate a pregnancy is fundamental and should not be infringed in any way by the government."


Hip Hop is for the socially aware- http://www.myspace.com/grandflashbs1
"Don't push me, cause I'm close to the edge, I'm trying not to lose my head."

It doesn't take too long for someone to delve into the realm of Old School Hip
Hop before that line comes crashing into your consciousness.

"The Message" by Grandmaster Flash and The Furious Five was released in
summer of 1982. It went on to peak at #4 on the R&B Chart and #62 on the
Pop Chart and changed the face of hip hop forever.

http://www.myspace.com/speechmusic

[..::Bobby::..]

To be truly honest. I just don't like black people as a whole.

[fat86]

those that are into the real hip-hop, like talib kewli and all that. yh they can be and shud.

they emphasis on black culture and history, if they enslaved me, i'd fuck em in my songs as well.

[..::Bobby::..]

those that are into the real hip-hop, like talib kewli and all that. yh they can be and shud.

they emphasis on black culture and history, if they enslaved me, i'd fuck em in my songs as well.

Those artists are Sunni Muslims. Hence why most of their Music is meaningful. Rather then something stupid as showing contempt to women.

[Sphinx7]

Those artists are Sunni Muslims. Hence why most of their Music is meaningful. Rather then something stupid as showing contempt to women.


Talib is not sunni

[Sphinx7]

and the ppl who are muslim have nuttin to do with 9/11 they just innocent ppl livin there life like everyone else..
and its osama tht should be punished!

Why? what did he do? Theres no evidence of nothing reflecting 2 him.

[..::Bobby::..]

Talib is not sunni

He is a Muslim is he not?

[Sphinx7]

He is a Muslim is he not?

thats another topic, but hes not sunni muslim, he doesnt practice orthodox Islam, the same with NAS.

[Sphinx7]

i think desis should stop worryin about blacks and start worryin about themselves WHY? coz after 9/11 there's been no end 2 racism against desis (muslims) and its really a pain in the ass coz my parents wont lemme move back 2 new york :( and that sucks and and and it just sucks! and yea also i think most desis are racist against blacks is coz most black ppl are big and desi mommas are just shit scared they'll beat the hell outta their kids so peace :grouphug:

o and nahh i dont think the musics racist, they're just producin accordin 2 the public's demands.

thats the problem with them, they always like 2 pick on things. They just remain stagnant, they dont want to search 4 the truth of things, some cant dig that far 6 feet. So this is why they are proponents 2 the white man and like to merge in with them.

like i sadi b4 you need to cee thru and pass the smoke. Nothing is what it ceems 2 be. Amerikkkan history is sugar coated, there is the unceen hand that is manipulating you.

[..::Bobby::..]

thats another topic, but hes not sunni muslim, he doesnt practice orthodox Islam, the same with NAS.
#
Nas is a Five %er. Not a Muslim.

[btown-paki]

Anyway, this is my first topic in the SD section. So am keeping it pretty simple and straight forward rather then copy and pasting a massive article.

Anyway from personal experiences and am not going to lie, I do enjoy rap and R'n'B. However some of the music is pretty racist I mean for instance take Kanya (?) West. If you actually listen to the lyrics he is mainly blaming the whites for all the problems of the blacks. And its not only him, there are many other artists doing the same.

Now if the tables were turned and it was white people making music about blacks creating all the problems such as drugs, guns, abuse of women ect, ect. - The stuff which is true due to the rise of gang culture, there would be an outcry, the black community would be out in arms to protest against it.

The blacks sometimes remind me of Jews who cry out antisemitism every time you try and raise a few points with them, its the same thing what blacks do generally if someone was to raise the issue about this he/she would be labeled a racist if the person was not black.

FREEDOM OF SPEECH!!!

[..::Bobby::..]

FREEDOM OF SPEECH!!!

Was it freedom of speech when the caricatures of the Islamic Prophet Mohamed were published?

[PaKi_PeRfEcTiOn]

i think desis should stop worryin about blacks and start worryin about themselves WHY? coz after 9/11 there's been no end 2 racism against desis (muslims) and its really a pain in the ass coz my parents wont lemme move back 2 new york :( and that sucks and and and it just sucks! and yea also i think most desis are racist against blacks is coz most black ppl are big and desi mommas are just shit scared they'll beat the hell outta their kids so peace :grouphug:

o and nahh i dont think the musics racist, they're just producin accordin 2 the public's demands.

DUDE U ARE LOST!
YEAH DESI MOMMMIES ARE SCARED THAT THEIR KIDS WILL GET BEAT UP BY SOME BLACK PERSON OR BETTER YET (FOR GIRLS) GET RAPED..BUT DO YOU KNOW WHY THEY FEEL THAT WAY?..BECAUSE THAT IS HOW BLACK PEOPLE HAVE PORTRAYED THEMSELVES WITH THEIR "IM SUCH A FUCKIN THUG" ATTITUDE ..THEY ARE KNOWN FOR BEING ROUGH AND NOT TAKING SHIT FROM ANYBODY (PREFECT EXAMPLE--THE BLACK ON BLACK VIOLENCE WE SEE TODAY) AND ALL THAT OTHER BULL SHIT..SO WHY BLAME THE MOMS FOR TRYING TO PROTECT THEIR KIDS? ALSO YOU SAY RAP MUSIC IS FORMED OR MADE ACCORDING TO THE "PUBLIC'S DEMANDS"..MY QUESTION IS WHO IS THE "PUBLIC"? WHO ACTUALLY TOLD PEOPLE LIKE 50 CENT OR JA RULE OR WHOEVER THE HELL ELSE TO MAKE SUCH TRACKS AS THEY HAVE BEEN DOING? WHO SAID "HEY I THINK YOU SHOULD LIE AND MAKE UP BULL SHIT ABOUT HOW ROUGH AND SHITTY YOUR LIFE IS AND HOW YOU SPEND MOST OF YOUR LIFE SELLING DRUGS" YEAHH THE PUBLIC REAAAALLY WANTS THAT OUT THERE HUH..WHAT A PERFECT FUCKIN EXAMPLE TO SET FOR YOUNG PEOPLE WHO LISTEN AND LOOK UP TO RAPPERS LIKE HIM..GOOD JOB DUDE!


ANOTHER THING..WHOEVER THAT SHAW(SOMTHING) GIRL IS TELLING THIS CLOWN THAT WHAT HE WROTE WAS ACTUALLY GOOD IS STUPID AS WELL..YOUR JUST SAYING THAT BECAUSE HE IS "DEFENDING" YOU AND BY YOU AGREEING WITH WHAT HE SAID AND BEING OK WITH IT SHOWS U KNOW NO MORE THEN HE DOES :)

[fratty]

Yes, it was freedom of speech. It is vital to protect freedom of speech. Jesus Christ is ridiculed and so is christianity in America. Although, Christians do get up in arms they still don't threaten death.

[Al_Hind]

DUDE U ARE LOST!
YEAH DESI MOMMMIES ARE SCARED THAT THEIR KIDS WILL GET BEAT UP BY SOME BLACK PERSON OR BETTER YET (FOR GIRLS) GET RAPED..BUT DO YOU KNOW WHY THEY FEEL THAT WAY?..BECAUSE THAT IS HOW BLACK PEOPLE HAVE PORTRAYED THEMSELVES WITH THEIR "IM SUCH A FUCKIN THUG" ATTITUDE ..THEY ARE KNOWN FOR BEING ROUGH AND NOT TAKING SHIT FROM ANYBODY (PREFECT EXAMPLE--THE BLACK ON BLACK VIOLENCE WE SEE TODAY) AND ALL THAT OTHER BULL SHIT..SO WHY BLAME THE MOMS FOR TRYING TO PROTECT THEIR KIDS? ALSO YOU SAY RAP MUSIC IS FORMED OR MADE ACCORDING TO THE "PUBLIC'S DEMANDS"..MY QUESTION IS WHO IS THE "PUBLIC"? WHO ACTUALLY TOLD PEOPLE LIKE 50 CENT OR JA RULE OR WHOEVER THE HELL ELSE TO MAKE SUCH TRACKS AS THEY HAVE BEEN DOING? WHO SAID "HEY I THINK YOU SHOULD LIE AND MAKE UP BULL SHIT ABOUT HOW ROUGH AND SHITTY YOUR LIFE IS AND HOW YOU SPEND MOST OF YOUR LIFE SELLING DRUGS" YEAHH THE PUBLIC REAAAALLY WANTS THAT OUT THERE HUH..WHAT A PERFECT FUCKIN EXAMPLE TO SET FOR YOUNG PEOPLE WHO LISTEN AND LOOK UP TO RAPPERS LIKE HIM..GOOD JOB DUDE!


ANOTHER THING..WHOEVER THAT SHAW(SOMTHING) GIRL IS TELLING THIS CLOWN THAT WHAT HE WROTE WAS ACTUALLY GOOD IS STUPID AS WELL..YOUR JUST SAYING THAT BECAUSE HE IS "DEFENDING" YOU AND BY YOU AGREEING WITH WHAT HE SAID AND BEING OK WITH IT SHOWS U KNOW NO MORE THEN HE DOES :)

Damn, you must still be on your period or somthing LOL!!! :rofl:

[PaKi_PeRfEcTiOn]

Damn, you must still be on your period or somthing LOL!!! :rofl:
LOL WOW YOUR SO FUNNY!..how long did it take for your dumbass to come up with that? :rolleyes:

[Shashanna]

DUDE U ARE LOST!
YEAH DESI MOMMMIES ARE SCARED THAT THEIR KIDS WILL GET BEAT UP BY SOME BLACK PERSON OR BETTER YET (FOR GIRLS) GET RAPED..BUT DO YOU KNOW WHY THEY FEEL THAT WAY?..BECAUSE THAT IS HOW BLACK PEOPLE HAVE PORTRAYED THEMSELVES WITH THEIR "IM SUCH A FUCKIN THUG" ATTITUDE ..THEY ARE KNOWN FOR BEING ROUGH AND NOT TAKING SHIT FROM ANYBODY (PREFECT EXAMPLE--THE BLACK ON BLACK VIOLENCE WE SEE TODAY) AND ALL THAT OTHER BULL SHIT..SO WHY BLAME THE MOMS FOR TRYING TO PROTECT THEIR KIDS? ALSO YOU SAY RAP MUSIC IS FORMED OR MADE ACCORDING TO THE "PUBLIC'S DEMANDS"..MY QUESTION IS WHO IS THE "PUBLIC"? WHO ACTUALLY TOLD PEOPLE LIKE 50 CENT OR JA RULE OR WHOEVER THE HELL ELSE TO MAKE SUCH TRACKS AS THEY HAVE BEEN DOING? WHO SAID "HEY I THINK YOU SHOULD LIE AND MAKE UP BULL SHIT ABOUT HOW ROUGH AND SHITTY YOUR LIFE IS AND HOW YOU SPEND MOST OF YOUR LIFE SELLING DRUGS" YEAHH THE PUBLIC REAAAALLY WANTS THAT OUT THERE HUH..WHAT A PERFECT FUCKIN EXAMPLE TO SET FOR YOUNG PEOPLE WHO LISTEN AND LOOK UP TO RAPPERS LIKE HIM..GOOD JOB DUDE!


ANOTHER THING..WHOEVER THAT SHAW(SOMTHING) GIRL IS TELLING THIS CLOWN THAT WHAT HE WROTE WAS ACTUALLY GOOD IS STUPID AS WELL..YOUR JUST SAYING THAT BECAUSE HE IS "DEFENDING" YOU AND BY YOU AGREEING WITH WHAT HE SAID AND BEING OK WITH IT SHOWS U KNOW NO MORE THEN HE DOES :)


No, I believe you just need to realize that the tellie(pop culture) is not reality. You're talking about rap stars here... Ja rule & 50 cent do not represent the whole black community. :rolleyes:
and people who try to imitate this "thug" style are just really confused.

You have to be a really naive to base your association with black people because you think their "thugged out" or because you know a few black rap star artists. You see their color and immidately assume that every black person is trying to be rough.:rofl: Ja rule puts on a show..it's part of his career.



Also, FAKE ID brought up a good point! Many desis experienced racism within America because of 9/11!!! Yet, Desis haven't learned anything from it. RD users spend too much time trying to make themselves look better than other races. It's childish! I wasn't agreeing on his comment about the parents but i saw the bigger picture which was some people on here have their priorities mixed up!

[Al_Hind]

LOL WOW YOUR SO FUNNY!..how long did it take for your dumbass to come up with that? :rolleyes:

What's wrong honey; why are you getting so worked up? Calm down baby, it isn't that serious. Damn, that PMS must be hitting you HARD! :no:

[LOzzy]

i think desis should stop worryin about blacks and start worryin about themselves WHY? coz after 9/11 there's been no end 2 racism against desis (muslims)
desis have experienced racism before 9/11 dont you know about the british involvement in india?

[Shashanna]

desis have experienced racism before 9/11 dont you know about the british involvement in india?



No one can really relate. It was the best example because people here have gone through the 9/11 discrimination and it was more general...in terms of you really only had to look arab to be considered a terrorist..it was horrible because people were making jokes on the television afterwards and all races were guilty of it to the point where some desis were apprehensive of telling people where they were from due to feeling like outcasts.(sound familiar?)

did anyone see INSIDE MAN with Denzel washington?? perfect example. the sikh gets assaulted by the police.. although he had no part in the crime.

which was directed by SPIKE LEE!!!

You guys need to check out his films. He deals with race issues from various perspectives.


and didn't you hear about muslims being attacked by Australian men?


Yet, you still make fun and judge other people. Shame on you. :no:

[Shashanna]

real quick i'd just like to add...i think that black people are given a bad name because of what happens in the states (since America is the richest country and is known by everybody) I HAVE notice black people here in Canada (along with other countries) are alot smarter and overall better people then the black people living in the United States.. Now it could be because of the way Canada's system is compared to the states or the living conditions or the laws or whatever else made..but it really shows the difference between blacks living in those two countries...there can be many differnt things said as to why black people living in the states act the way they do (and i know people are going to try and shove SLAVERY up my ass)..but that has nothing to do with todays world..you can not say that Americans act the way they do because of what happen a long as time ago..things have changed and so have most people...

Gee, could it be because the historical factors of these two countries differentiate?

"this has nothing to do with today's world" Paki-Perfection
:rofl:




:no:



*sigh*

[pakichik]

#
#

Was it freedom of speech when they made fun of Islam? So try to have some sense of what you're talking about.


dude stfu.. we'r talking about having a freedom of speech in songs.. aint no one talking about neones religon or what they believe in, in any rap songs.

[pakichik]

i think desis should stop worryin about blacks and start worryin about themselves WHY? coz after 9/11 there's been no end 2 racism against desis (muslims) and its really a pain in the ass coz my parents wont lemme move back 2 new york :( and that sucks and and and it just sucks! and yea also i think most desis are racist against blacks is coz most black ppl are big and desi mommas are just shit scared they'll beat the hell outta their kids so peace :grouphug:

o and nahh i dont think the musics racist, they're just producin accordin 2 the public's demands.


lol r they racist in newyork?

[jumpn jza]

Is black music racist??...is a dumb question first of all, but the type of things being said by some people seem dumb too...if were gonna narrow it down to just Hip-Hop then we must see that it refers to the way that the music is performed and not the content...therefore a genre of music does not represent the content...

I mean look at Hip Hop...if we break it down it comes down to poetry, and being able to convey a message through a short period of time....thats all...so Hip-Hop cannot be racist...HOWEVER...THE CONTENT within Hip-Hop records can be offensive/racist...etc.

Now some one said something like..

"What is reatrded is peeps like tupac shakur are given the title of thug angel"

...ok analyse the word thug, in the context of Hip-Hop, a thug refers to someone who was born with nothing and yet still makes something of his life....like tupac, he was involved in criminal activities which he himself admits, but if u have no were to go in life, what option do u have??...Tupac was far from perfect, but he had talent when it came to reaching people...

Now understand this, the fact that people like 50 cent are even given a go in the music business is proof enough that racism exists, because 50 cent projects an unfair image of African American males, however at the same time, 50 cent is a product of centuries of racism, so in a way..the cause and the effect leads back to institutional racism....

Remeber back in the 80's when the Reagan government sponsored Contra rebels in Nicaragua by sending them planes full of money and weapons to be able to overthrow the sardinista junta??...and then on the return flights home the CIA packed the planes with cociane??

....and when the coke came back to the streets, it flooded the hood, got cut into crack, and began an explosion in the ghettos across america??...Harlem, Compton, Oakland, Brooklyn, Queensbridge...were flooded with white powder...why did this happen???...well, the government needed a way of breaking the black panther movement and they succeeded....

That is institutional racism, not only that, the cycle of self destruction will continue for a long time...so understand that whatever kind of reverse racism black americans may inflict on other races, the racism is 10 times worse when it comes back to them...for example, if ure a rapper who speaks of gang shit, then ure more likely to be signed, because the industry knows that that stuff sells, and "gangsta rappers" today can say shit like "fucking honkey", and be racist without knowing that they are an unfair representation of their own people...hence leading to racial profiling which works against them...

but what is less likely to get signed by major labels are people like "immortal technique" who are extremely intelligent and articulate, but such an image of "the educated brutha" is not one which will easily sell records...thats racism...

But also understand that the enemy within most rap tracks is is not the everyday white man, but the government, which even today forces blacks into an unnatural and self destructive cycle...

[gOwrjuz_ndn]

undefined
[B]i hardly think rap/hip hop and "black" music is racist.
Rap/hip hop and "black" music and other styles of music is a way of expressing how a person or group feels about a particular subject.
Yeah we've all seen those booty shaking music clips were a girl is wearing like no clothing at all and in a way being justified as a sexual object, buh.... how many cultures have started to use that trend. Ane example would be inidan music. LOL, if u honestly say uve never seen a indian chick dancing around in her underwear and a guy is looking like a pimp, then were the hell have you been?
Kanye West is an inspiration and an icon to millions because he speaks his mind as is NOT afraid to say wah he thinks.
so BLEH!
i really dun think "black" music is racist...

[..::Bobby::..]

I just generally don't like black people, they spread aids and do crack.

Am not racist though.

[Understanding]

I just generally don't like black people, they spread aids and do crack.

Am not racist though.

Nope and I'm not racist either. I am so glad u said that. ALL black people do is smoke crack and spread a.i.d.s and ALL Desis/Muslims do is bring explosive materials on2 planes and trains or in2 neighborhoods, mosques etc. 2 try 2 blow sh*t up all over the world and all White people do is breed child-molesters and serial killers. I'm so glad we got this outta' the way :p and thank-u sincerely. With that out of the way, let's talk about what each individual is doing personally 2 make a POSITIVE change in the world. I emphasize this word since I see so many cowards talking stereotypical sh*t sitting anonymously behind computers and even some with pictures. Seems like people are really good @ discussing how bad things are or how bad black people or their music are but newsflash ... the world is a bad, bad, f**ked up place 2 live. As 4 me I try 2 do my little part. I am a Senior Child Protective Services Caseworker so I generally deal with families in crisis. Whether they be black, white, desi, latin, cambodian, vietnamese etc. I try 2 keep children safe if the parents are doing dumb sh*t 2 hurt the children or themselves which of course can negatively impact the child. Also, since this topic is about black music being racist, I am a rap performer but I actually write positive lyrics with a spiritual emphasis and I've gone 2 churches, high schools, colleges, camps, adult prisons, teenage juvenile detention facilities. I talk in my songs about how I've never smoked weed or crack or been 2 jail, or of my love 4 God, family and friends. I talk about how black people should respect themselves and others. What are u doing "Bobby"? And please don't repsond with "I'm not black so I don't need 2 do anything" cuz' the last time I checked more than black people were suffering in this world. There a lot of desis killing each other over in India according 2 another poster leaving a lot of families f**ked up. Is anybody trying 2 do anything 2 help out here in the States or abroad? Some people volunteer in a local Big Brother/Big Sister Program. Some people volunteer @ a local food pantry or reading center. Some people go visit people in jail or those in geriatric hospitals who have no family. Angelina Jolie and Brad Pitt even adopted a helpless, needy BLACK children ... -gasp- OMG :yikes: !!! These are just some of the ways that we can all do our little, tiny part. Is anyone doing anything or is stereotypical, sh*t-talking and complaining like this as far it goes? If posts like this are as far as it goes ... good job. The human race is better off thanks 2 your much needed contributions. :neutral:. And some of will be happy when I say that this will be my final contribution 2 this wonderful post ... yay :dance3: . Its getting kind of futile and there is work out in the real world 2 be done.

[Shashanna]

undefined
[B]i hardly think rap/hip hop and "black" music is racist.
Rap/hip hop and "black" music and other styles of music is a way of expressing how a person or group feels about a particular subject.
Yeah we've all seen those booty shaking music clips were a girl is wearing like no clothing at all and in a way being justified as a sexual object, buh.... how many cultures have started to use that trend. Ane example would be inidan music. LOL, if u honestly say uve never seen a indian chick dancing around in her underwear and a guy is looking like a pimp, then were the hell have you been?
Kanye West is an inspiration and an icon to millions because he speaks his mind as is NOT afraid to say wah he thinks.
so BLEH!
i really dun think "black" music is racist...

I really like this new artist
http://www.myspace.com/speechmusic


Speech was born in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. He is the force behind the hip-hop group, Arrested Development. His solo projects have been the free & more expressive side of Speech, trying anything from world music to folk. His mom and dad are both entrepreneurs owning a 35-year-old newspaper that addresses the issues of the inner city. It is from that atmosphere that Speech has held on to the pride and dignity of black culture. Refusing to sell more records by using degrading images of women and succumbing to materialism and Machismo. Instead he has experimented with melody, singing and spiritual themes. Speech says, I basically write songs that help me get through areas in my own life, its all soundtrack material, I also vowed not to stay in one genre but move freely where ever my spirit lead me.






Salam

[LOzzy]

here is an example of racism and hip hop

http://www.mtv.com/movies/movie/278466/plot.jhtml

rapper jin recieves some racist rhymes from serius jones. jin clearly points out the double standard.

[Sphinx7]

Is black music racist??...is a dumb question first of all, but the type of things being said by some people seem dumb too...if were gonna narrow it down to just Hip-Hop then we must see that it refers to the way that the music is performed and not the content...therefore a genre of music does not represent the content...

I mean look at Hip Hop...if we break it down it comes down to poetry, and being able to convey a message through a short period of time....thats all...so Hip-Hop cannot be racist...HOWEVER...THE CONTENT within Hip-Hop records can be offensive/racist...etc.

Now some one said something like..

"What is reatrded is peeps like tupac shakur are given the title of thug angel"

...ok analyse the word thug, in the context of Hip-Hop, a thug refers to someone who was born with nothing and yet still makes something of his life....like tupac, he was involved in criminal activities which he himself admits, but if u have no were to go in life, what option do u have??...Tupac was far from perfect, but he had talent when it came to reaching people...

Now understand this, the fact that people like 50 cent are even given a go in the music business is proof enough that racism exists, because 50 cent projects an unfair image of African American males, however at the same time, 50 cent is a product of centuries of racism, so in a way..the cause and the effect leads back to institutional racism....

Remeber back in the 80's when the Reagan government sponsored Contra rebels in Nicaragua by sending them planes full of money and weapons to be able to overthrow the sardinista junta??...and then on the return flights home the CIA packed the planes with cociane??

....and when the coke (china white) came back to the streets, it flooded the hood, got cut into crack, and began an explosion in the ghettos across america??...Harlem, Compton, Oakland, Brooklyn, Queensbridge...were flooded with white powder...why did this happen???...well, the government needed a way of breaking the black panther movement and they succeeded....

That is institutional racism, not only that, the cycle of self destruction will continue for a long time...so understand that whatever kind of reverse racism black americans may inflict on other races, the racism is 10 times worse when it comes back to them...for example, if ure a rapper who speaks of gang shit, then ure more likely to be signed, because the industry knows that that stuff sells, and "gangsta rappers" today can say shit like "fucking honkey", and be racist without knowing that they are an unfair representation of their own people...hence leading to racial profiling which works against them...

but what is less likely to get signed by major labels are people like "immortal technique" who are extremely intelligent and articulate, but such an image of "the educated brutha" is not one which will easily sell records...thats racism...

But also understand that the enemy within most rap tracks is is not the everyday white man, but the government, which even today forces blacks into an unnatural and self destructive cycle...


cuz the whites know their existance is in jeopardy, whites are recessive and wont last in the times 2 come.

They create order out of Chaos and infilrate it 2 the masses. Thats y it is important 2 awake from the mental enslavement.

[..::Bobby::..]

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wow dude, chill out. There was no need to flame. I only said that, as that is what blacks portray themselves to be. And how can I be generalizing when most blacks in 3 world countries are infected with aids? and majority of them do crack or sell drugs? that is not generalizing that is a fact!

Also you said something about Desi/Muslims, that is just crazy talk. Most of the terrorists are Arabs/middle Eastern. And Islam is a religion, not a race you dumb black guy. Anyway just chill out. I mean most ******s are too fucked off drugs to give a shit what others think of them so. Relax man. And by the way, most Desi's don't like black people because of the things they do, I mean like robbing people, or stealing cars. And plus they look scary with the big lips and stuff.

[..::Bobby::..]

HAy understanding, I don't want to take part on this thread anymore. SO I would appreciate it. If you, you did not reply back to my post.

[Shashanna]

cuz the whites know their existance is in jeopardy, whites are recessive and wont last in the times 2 come.

They create order out of Chaos and infilrate it 2 the masses. Thats y it is important 2 awake from the mental enslavement.
These last few posts of mine are not meant to bring another debate on but i feel there are a few individuals that have no idea what they are talking about. It feels wrong to leave these forums without setting a few things straight. I want to properly answer the question of why people are the way they are now..and maybe it will be clearer to a few people. I agree with the poster that i have quoted but i feel i should elaborate more... this is something you cannot debate anyway, these are the hardcore facts of the situation. the black and white races have experienced throughout history and what I have come to see in this insufferable world we live in today. and it is a sad, sad, past that has inflitrated an unfortunate present. It has become even more unfortunate when brown people start discriminating against other brown people. it is a disgrace! :no: It would be a miracle to see some sort of social change but i think we're too far along, they have gotten to you and I. we all have been mentally enslaved in one way or the other.



I believe the times have have changed very drastically from when our Former Social Leaders Martin Luther King, Malcolm x were alive and active, and as the times have changed the face and nature of africa americas enemy has become many and diversified. The Nature of Racism and Biggotry and Discrimination has changed from an overt one of not being allowed to drink from the same fountain, or eat in the same restaurants, or go to the same schools to a covert nature, of job discrimination racial profiling and the advent of what i'd like to call cultural and racial blacklisting, it's time to know our enemy.

Racial Blacklisting is a phenomenon in that it isn't something that spread through spoken words and harsh racial action, but rather implied, by instilling cultural norms called memes into society through more covert actions. It can be spread through familial interaction, class boundaries, stereotyping, and media interjection and educational brainwashing. It is actually these five things that make Racial and Cultural Blacklisting even possible.

Familial Interaction. Within typical families it is regarded as highly unnatural to date outside of ones race and is generally looked down upon. Parents will instill, wether consciously or sub-consciously, will impress opinions upon their children and express racially slanderous things wether seriously or not in front of their children, what they may or may not realize is that children pick up on this from a young age and so have pre-conceived notions of how opposite races act or think, and also. This is a very strong kind of ignorance because it's engrained in your personality and is something very hard to undo.

Class Boundaries, are an interesting subject and deserve a minor history lesson.

When Africans were freed after the civil war, we were on the BOTTOM of the class scale, we were jobless, homeless, and impovershed, It wasn't exactly like our freedom was planned, i hope you understand this, our freedom was never in the works, it wasn't like there was a contract we signed for three hundred of free labor to be introduced into this society, it was the long haul. So when we were "freed" as they like to say, there weren't houses and estates waiting for us, there was nothing, we had to either find work in the factories and the cities, and live in the ghettos owned by the people who just set us free. African Americans have been third class citizens since we've been here, and the class boundaries that have been created agaisnt us are overwhelming, we have a ceiling on the jobs we can achieve, the education we can achieve, we have a celing on basic social interaction, we are historical scapegoats, surrounded by races that have hated and enslaved us long before america was here. So we have natural economical boundaries seperating us from the caucasian race and the familial boundaries that have been descended to children down the years.

Stereotypes, we know what they are they are things that act as conduits for racism to spread, these stereotypes are derived from the behaviors of people under oppresion and have been around for so long they are attached to every member of that race as "something that in their nature" we're not here to look at all of them just the ones afflicted upon African Americans.........It is said that african americans are, all lazy, are all thieves, are all criminals, are all drug dealers, pimps and, prostitutes, we're all loud boisterous, crackheads, ******s, thugs, horrible employees, we're all intimidating, we're all cheap, we're all on welfare, all the men don't take care of they're children, these are the things that are said in our culture and have become cultural norms to attach to our race, these are things that are taught to other races children consciously and subconsiously, these are like little strands of a web to ensnare a race into a Cultural Blacklist. Now you may say not all Parents do this with their children. to this i say our children teach our children, whatever one child learns from home he shares it with children everyday and they take it and share it and it spreads, and if the parents have taught their children there's someone else who will......big brother box.[b]

[Shashanna]

The white man has been killing Blacks, Natives 4 the past hundreds of years. The white man has been ruling this land for the past 200+ years and kilt anyone that tried to take it from them. So what if it happened in the past. SO we’re suppose to be taught to 4get our history? When 100 million Blacks died in the Transatlantic Slave Trade, the white man wanted us to 4get about it. BUT the white Jews have a Holiday dedicated 2 themselves called Passover.

It still continues… Do you know about the John Hawkins 1555 slavery trick 2 Africa? About the gems and diamonds? Do you know anything about Conflict Diamonds{/b]? Its all evil and the white man has its paw on it.

why do you think blacks act like that in today’s society? that they don’t wanna do anything ? Someone is endorsing this formation. Someone is infiltrating the drugs into the communities, the excessive behavior on TV thru rap. Why do you think you dont cee or hear conscious rappers on the TV or radio? Do you know who controls the radio/tv? the white man. Its psychology, now what you gonna do?

You need to open your 3rd eye and connect the dots.




Media Interjection . Who raises the american youth, is it the parents, is it the schools, is the nannies and babysitters, and daycares......alas no, no they don't. Fear not however because when you don't have time there'll always be someone there to watch lil johnnie, and teach lil johnnie, and he's called TV. Television has given visual aid to stereotypes for 60 years now and has done a marvelous job of it, from the early comedic acts where white people painted themselves black and portrayed themselves as vagabonds, clumsy thives and small minded small time criminals, to blaxpoitation film in the 70's and 80's as well as a host Cop related Criminal Justice shows, Maury Povich, Bet and what have you. Tv is only one of the hydra called Media, allow me to introduce the "Modern" Music industry. The music industry itself was ripe with the exploitation of african american musicians, but in late 80's ealry 90's a new voice came about to speak out the injustices against Africa America and this voice was called hip hop, it was our sword, it had the fist of black power behind it and was taking over the air waves, groups like N.W.A and Public Enemy ..1 and artists like kurtis blow and Chuck-D were speaking on out on two seperate coasts about police brutality, economic injustice, racial profiling, jail populations..for the first time since the deaths of Malcolm X and Martin Luther King, people were getting up in arms about our situation, our poverty level, the durgs being pumped into our ghettos and poisoning our people and their children, selling to us so we can sell it to ourselves, the crack epeidemic of the 80's. The AIDS Epidemic of the ninety's. We had had enough. the chicago riots had become renewed but in different locations, now we were in the the streets of new york, and L.A.....all because of hip hop, our voice, our weapon against the injustice, but all good things must come to an end and afterall the people who own the distribution of cd's to stores also own most of the record labels, so hip hop needed a different message or risk going extinct, only, when you change your message, you are extinct. Enter Gangsta and what i like to call "Flash Rap" Now i'm not going to name, names and insult peoples favorite aritst or whatever, i'm just explaining that a certain shift happened to our music and then our culture. We stopped rapping about the injustice and started rapping about something else, about killing each other, and selling drugs to each other, and prostituing each other, having one night stands, and abandoning our children, about money and the overwhelming need to have it, about fuck the ***** next to you "i gotta get mine" this voice was wholly different from the original voice, of "fight the power" and "fuck the police" This voice said "fight each other" "fuck each other" what does it take to make a voice suddenly, change was it the overwhelming draw it had to the other races who hate us for the most part but had the moeny to buy it en masse, seems like it to me it seems like we sold ourselved to some 20 of us could go rap and have dollars while thousands of us are treated like shit in the process. The new generation is raised on gangsta rap, they think black people have always been this way, this is it for us, selling drugs and if we're lucky we'll play ball, rap, or dance our way out of the trap.

[B]Educational Brainwashing. This is what brought about the cultural amnesia African Americans face today. The easiest way to subdue a culture and race by civil means after you conquer them is to keep them as ignorant of their old cultural past as possible while constantly reinforcing their new one. To do this is actually quite easy in our case upon our freedom we yearned for education dammit it was our right, but i don't think we got quite what we bargained for. Originators of American Culture have quite a cultural blessing in that they can be affirmed or ancestral past back to the beggining of history itself, if asked me and you people in this culture can rattle of a number of artist, inventors, designers, actors, heros, emporers, philosphers, warriors and what have you, direct reaffirmation of european ancestral background it's like a safety of history to fall back should you ever question your origins, however as an african american no such safety net exists and if did it's ravished and torn to bits. The sad fact is for the most part african americans cannot trace their past back more than two hundred years, we do not know what our ancient tribal ancestors were up to because they were killed and the only ones who know, won't bother to tell because it's not important to the story they have to tell. in other words we've been robbed, of our ancestral background and our cultural story and in replacement we've been given this story.......We were savages in africa until europeans found us and made us slaves...we worked under oppression for 500 years, and then were set free to be discriminated upon and build from scratch which shouldn't be hard because we didn't have anything to begin with, no royalty to represent us, no vast civilization to go back to, hell in their eyes they did us a favor. Thats a hell of a story to be raised to and learn in elementary school, i'm sure little timothy loves to hear how jamal and marcus came from savages.(which is hardly true, tribal people are not savages)

This brainwashing allows for cultural amnesia which can devastate a culture in need of rebellion because with no past they have nothing to go back to in other words we're still mental slaves. We're afraid to fight because we don't know what else there is to life if we fight agaisnt this, we are perceived to have no out, this is bullshit but if we believe it, it's true. How are a people suppose to rise up and fight when they have no home to go back to, how are a people to rise up and fight when at the end of the day the land they sleep on is still owned by the enemy, the food they is served by the enemy, the books we read are written by the enemy, in turn we've become enemies to ourselves, spreading a cultural that has our children joining gangs and selling drugs and having kids at age 12 the earliest, but have no idea of their cultural heritage. This is our enemy, we sleep with him, he gives us a paycheck and then we pay him rent. Then we tell lies about ourselves to his children on the radio, then our children go out and make the lies the truth. And this is why we as a youth in this generation haven't fought, becuase we've forgotten, we'ver forgotten what it was like to be hungry, and beaten we've forgotten the the scars and tears of our ancestors, we traded those virtues for "Grillz" and "Ho's" OR for a sense of middle class comfort, don't forget the bourgeoisie blacks who've forgotten they're black, and the "thugs" who've forgotten who they are and that the whole world is enough of our enemy that we don't have to be our enemies to ourselves. This goes the same for any other non-white culture once stepping foot in america. ACDC(american confused desi by choice) & the "gangsta" desi.....alot of people have fallen victim to it all.

This is how you blacklist a race and culture or cultures since we used to be very diverse and many. This is how you make a generation complacent and full of illusory happiness. and this is why the world to me seems like a monolithic sci fi picture and i'm waiting for it to end..or for someone to wake me up from this horrible dream. You are all apart of it and by creating this hatred and continuing the stereotypes...history will repeat itself again and again and again....

Have a Good Day and Take Care.

[jumpn jza]

Class Boundaries, are an interesting subject and deserve a minor history lesson.

When Africans were freed after the civil war, we were on the BOTTOM of the class scale, we were jobless, homeless, and impovershed, It wasn't exactly like our freedom was planned, i hope you understand this, our freedom was never in the works, it wasn't like there was a contract we signed for three hundred of free labor to be introduced into this society, it was the long haul. So when we were "freed" as they like to say, there weren't houses and estates waiting for us, there was nothing, we had to either find work in the factories and the cities, and live in the ghettos owned by the people who just set us free. African Americans have been third class citizens since we've been here, and the class boundaries that have been created agaisnt us are overwhelming, we have a ceiling on the jobs we can achieve, the education we can achieve, we have a celing on basic social interaction, we are historical scapegoats, surrounded by races that have hated and enslaved us long before america was here. So we have natural economical boundaries seperating us from the caucasian race and the familial boundaries that have been descended to children down the years.




Exaclty what I've been saying...when a people have been oppressed in the past, there is no guarantee that once they have been freed, that they will live the lives of free people..

[wittygirl]

I can understand it has dropped, but that does not disprove Sona's contention that blacks have a higher crime rate and greater jail population.


this is true but a lot of blacks are in jail due to unfairness and also because police focus on them. if police used fairness there would be as many whites in jail as them. most people need to read some books before coming down on blacks. and for the record, racism and discrimination is still prevalent in today's society. its just done differently than many years ago. blacks still face racism when it comes to jobs, healthcare, housing, etc. back in the day, when blacks tried to live in decent areas, they were not approved of loans because of their race and not because they didn't have good credit. but when the whites applied for those same loans, they were approved and some had worse credit than blacks. this practice is called "redlining." the one's who tried to get loans to improve their neighborhoods faced the same issues. there is so much to read and then you will understand why the black race is screwd. i admit i was ignorant until i started reading.

The Social Construction of Difference & Inequality by Tracey E. Ore

Read this and you will be enlighten. It also talks about how the Irish was done but because their skin was light, they were allowed to be part of the white race.

excuse typos. typing fast.

[wittygirl]

I just generally don't like black people, they spread aids and do crack.

Am not racist though.

Wow this is stupid. If I had your attitude and of some of my peers (whites) I would say, I hate Indians because their feet look rough and they funk up America with their funky foods.