OKay....Parties over people....made my point!

[HiGHland~Heather]

I do feel bad that obviously Hindus were offended by this, which is why I'm deleting it although I stand by my point tht Hinduism is susceptible to (mis)interpretation just as much as any other religion and ppl like adren@sh*t should think about that before nitpicking and bitching about context since it isn't so sweet when someone does it to you, is it?

EDIT: You have my permission to junk this thread :lol: I made my point!

[Felonius Monk]

You really have no clue what you're talking about either. You're no better than any of the fools who troll on Islam.

[PakiRican]

Manu V.148 " In childhood a female must be subject to her father, in youth to her husband, when her lord is dead to her sons; a women must never be independant."

damn...

[Space-Cowboy]

The most authoritative Vaishnavite law-book states that women cannot have any property :

Manu VIII.416 " A wife, a son, and a slave, these three are declared to have no property ; the wealth which they earn is (acquired) for him to whom they belong."

Manu V.148 " In childhood a female must be subject to her father, in youth to her husband, when her lord is dead to her sons; a women must never be independant."

Whatever defects her husband may have, the wife must unquestioningly obey him and worship him as a god :

Manu Smrti V.154 " Though destitute of virtue, or seeking pleasure (elsewhere); or devoid of good qualities, (yet) a husband must be constantly worshipped as a god by a dutiful wife."

I clearly remember one thread by ShivaChrist going on and on like a b*tch in heat how hijab was how men 'control' their women even though he had several girls who wore hijab cussing him out and telling him otherwise.... go firgure!

But anyway, I just wished to point out that there is evidence of Hindu women veiling also as there is in probably most other cultures.

# Bhavabuti - Bhavabhuti in his Mahaviracharita gives a vivid evidence of purda. When Rama sees Parasurama coming towards him, he directs his consort Sita, `Dear one, he is our elder, therefore turn aside and veil yourself' [ Mah.Ch. Act II, p.71 ] [ 1200, p.70 ] This indicates that veiling was practiced during the Ramayanic Dark Age.
# Grants - The Kalibhana grant also tells us that the women of the royal household observed purda in Orissa [ 1200, p.70 ] [ In.H.Qu. XX (1944) p.242 ]
# Vacaspati - Vachaspati tells us that women of good families did not come without a veil in public [ Vach. ] [ 1200, p.70 ]. Some women were so much devoted to their husbands that they would not even look at the Sun regarding him as a `parapurusa'.
# If the servants were found seeing the faces of queens, they feared punishment. [ Sis. XII.20.17 ] [ 1200 p.70 ]. This shows that even the servants could not see the faces of the ladies of the house.
# Sriharsha - The free mixing of men and women was considered bad in Sriharsha's works [ Nais.Ch. XV.3 ] [ 1200, p.70 ].

And the 'nobleness' of sati?

Rig Veda X.18.7 : " Let these women, whose husbands are worthy and are living, enter the house with ghee (applied) as corrylium ( to their eyes). Let these wives first step into the pyre, tearless without any affliction and well adorned."

But there is possibly a choice:

Vishnu Smirti.XXV.14 : "If a woman's husband dies, let her lead a life of chastity, or else mount his pyre"

-- [ Vis.Sm. xxv.14 ] [ Clay.13 ]

This isn't about hating on hindus, I only want to make a point that hindus on here and generally everywhere are so quick to judge Islam and Muslims when in reality I find Hinduism is either completely perverse or barbaric or sometimes just plain fantasy and anyone who believes it to be real belongs in ga-ga land!

EDIT: You have my permission to junk this thread :lol: I made my point!

See, the great thing about Hinduism that fucking idiots such as your self will never understand is that these aren't 'RULES'.... no one is ever FORCED to follow them. I.E. which is why sati, and pretty much everything you've just listed was done away with LONG LONG time ago. Furthermore, if you ever took time to read our core scriptures... the original Vedic texts make no mention of these things. Hinduism isn't concerned about 'life'... this life is just a SMALL SMALL part of the Greater Reality that exists. Which is why western religions will never understand the complexity and beauty that is religions like Hinduism and Buddhism. Before you make any more accusations, remember Hindus ourselves are the first to correct our day to day lifestyles and adapt to the changing times...

Thus, kindly shut the fuck up.

[_A-s-H-i_]

See, the great thing about Hinduism that fucking idiots such as your self will never understand is that these aren't 'RULES'.... no one is ever FORCED to follow them. I.E. which is why sati, and pretty much everything you've just listed was done away with LONG LONG time ago. Furthermore, if you ever took time to read our core scriptures... the original Vedic texts make no mention of these things. Hinduism isn't concerned about 'life'... this life is just a SMALL SMALL part of the Greater Reality that exists. Which is why western religions will never understand the complexity and beauty that is religions like Hinduism and Buddhism. Before you make any more accusations, remember Hindus ourselves are the first to correct our day to day lifestyles and adapt to the changing times...

Thus, kindly shut the fuck up.

agreed

[xsilent_watersx]

See, the great thing about Hinduism that fucking idiots such as your self will never understand is that these aren't 'RULES'.... no one is ever FORCED to follow them. I.E. which is why sati, and pretty much everything you've just listed was done away with LONG LONG time ago. Furthermore, if you ever took time to read our core scriptures... the original Vedic texts make no mention of these things. Hinduism isn't concerned about 'life'... this life is just a SMALL SMALL part of the Greater Reality that exists. Which is why western religions will never understand the complexity and beauty that is religions like Hinduism and Buddhism. Before you make any more accusations, remember Hindus ourselves are the first to correct our day to day lifestyles and adapt to the changing times...

Thus, kindly shut the fuck up.LOL! there are no fucking "rules" in hinduism. There are guidelines..

u are free to do whatever the fuck you want to do..

these idiots will never learn :no:

[SharpenedMango]

You're right
the great thing is that those arent rules
there is no such thing as the *Code Of Manu*
that was incorrectly translated when the British took over India.
to present it as the lawbook for hindus is completely false.
( Though in a postivist sense when the Raj ruled india, they were the definitive lawbooks in family law/inheritance.)

HOWEVER as i am an interested lay person-
can you plz tell me the significance of those actual opinions to yourselves?
R they meant as a guide, do they have any spiritual significance?

[Space-Cowboy]

LOL! there are no fucking "rules" in hinduism. There are guidelines..

u are free to do whatever the fuck you want to do..

these idiots will never learn :no:


Exactly... And even on top of that, I've state many times, the arcane Vedic teachings [we're talking ones that have been passed down orally for well over 8000 years] don't DEAL with everyday life... it was never meant to. They were told by Sages who have gone the Length towards the Ultimate Reality... they are there for people to learn and open our own gateways towards Self Realization.

[Space-Cowboy]

You're right
the great thing is that those arent rules
there is no such thing as the *Code Of Manu*
that was incorrectly translated when the British took over India.
to present it as the lawbook for hindus is completely false.
( Though in a postivist sense when the Raj ruled india, they were the definitive lawbooks in family law/inheritance.)

HOWEVER as i am an interested lay person-
can you plz tell me the significance of those actual opinions to yourselves?
R they meant as a guide, do they have any spiritual significance?


Hinduism [and Buddhism] teaches us to open our minds and souls towards our own path towards Spiritual Enlightenment, through which, we all realize we are all ONE. This is the CORE value. The 'codes' that were listed above were created by corrupt Brahmins long time ago to dictate how Kshatriyas should behave. They have NOTHING to do with the HEART of Vedic teachings. The Vedas didn't create things like Sati, or the Caste system, or personified 'deities' [they used gods and mythology only as metaphors for the actual existence.... of the ONE]. Sati and the such are man made, there is no divine inspiration among such things.

[rex_maximus]

how interesting to note that the practice of sati was started by hindu women themselves, who would commit suicide in fires set up by themselves, to avoid being taken into slavery by the mughal mercenaries.

the author of this thread seems to think that this bastardized translation of the manusmriti is "hindu law". shows her knowledge.

[rex_maximus]

Manu V.148 " In childhood a female must be subject to her father, in youth to her husband, when her lord is dead to her sons; a women must never be independant."

damn...

sonny....if you'd quit jacking off to all that internet porn, you'd maybe figure out that:

In childhood a female must be subject to her father (as an obidient and virtous daughter), in youth to her husband (as a wife, duh...), when her lord is dead to her sons (as a mother); a women must never be independant (....OF responsibility)."

[Space-Cowboy]

how interesting to note that the practice of sati was started by hindu women themselves, who would commit suicide in fires set up by themselves, to avoid being taken into slavery by the mughal mercenaries.

the author of this thread seems to think that this bastardized translation of the manusmriti is "hindu law". shows her knowledge.


It's not even a law!... There is no LAW or Code of Conduct in Hinduism.

[SharpenedMango]

NB:

There is no reason for flame in these posts people! Plz.
we all seek true knowledge, or at least a path towards greater enlightenment,
to denigrate someone else for lacking that knowledge that we feel we possess is pointless.
Thank You

*gets off his soapbox*

[FatGeezer]

useless junk and flame....

[Le_Gendarme]

As i dont know about hinduism i wont discuss about it.

But one thing ill point out to you all is :

Please refrain to use abusive words as fuck,shit etc in religious threads.

As you wont be using them in your place of worship.

[Space-Cowboy]

As i dont know about hinduism i wont discuss about it.

But one thing ill point out to you all is :

Please refrain to use abusive words as fuck,shit etc in religious threads.

As you wont be using them in your place of worship.


I don't criticize other faiths as I don't know enough about them, I don't take kindly to others attempting to criticize mine without one single shred of understanding.

[FatGeezer]

I don't criticize other faiths as I don't know enough about them, I don't take kindly to others attempting to criticize mine without one single shred of understanding.

Rise above it man! dont take the bait all the time!

[Le_Gendarme]

I don't criticize other faiths as I don't know enough about them, I don't take kindly to others attempting to criticize mine without one single shred of understanding.

I think we should work out on our skill's and try not to bash religion.

As for the creator of this thread he could have asked in a different manner in order to get opinions.

We should rather try to learn other's faith and not take everything on offensive.

[Space-Cowboy]

Rise above it man! dont take the bait all the time!


I would rise above if people were genuinely interested in Hinduism. I've NEVER criticized the Quran, I simply don't know enough about it. I HAVE infact shown an interest to learn what it has to say; as I have shown interest in Buddhism [which isn't all that different from Hinduism]; same with Christianity, Sikhism, etc.




P.S: I see Adren's still in your sig.. ;)

[Space-Cowboy]

I think we should work out on our skill's and try not to bash religion.

As for the creator of this thread he could have asked in a different manner in order to get opinions.

We should rather try to learn other's faith and not take everything on offensive.


Exactly, I've shown the Quran respect, I'd expect respect returned on my faith.

See, it's for this reason that religious talks were banned on the SD, they were banned several months before you joined these forums.

[Le_Gendarme]

Exactly, I've shown the Quran respect, I'd expect respect returned on my faith.

See, it's for this reason that religious talks were banned on the SD, they were banned several months before you joined these forums.

Let's hope someday we can have a discussion to better understand each other's Faith.

Peace to Everyone.

[FatGeezer]

I would rise above if people were genuinely interested in Hinduism. I've NEVER criticized the Quran, I simply don't know enough about it. I HAVE infact shown an interest to learn what it has to say; as I have shown interest in Buddhism [which isn't all that different from Hinduism]; same with Christianity, Sikhism, etc.




P.S: I see Adren's still in your sig.. ;)
yea im never on here anymore so cant be arsed changing it, takes too much time n energy...!

I'll get round to changing it sumday I spose!

[rex_maximus]

you have to understand why this thread was started in the first place.

the thread starter has been passionately posting in another thread 'Islam, Muslims, and Violence'. She has been defending her faith and attempting to answer questions from non-muslims. thats perfectly fine, nothing wrong with that.

she however, obviously felt a high level of insecurity, to the point that she decided to respond by attacking hindusim, not realizing that doing so is only making her look stupid, and hurting her own cause.

[Felonius Monk]

Perhaps it would help if you weren't to think of Hinduism as a 'religion' in the sense Islam is a religion. Its closer to a mode of thought. You'd be better of comparing it to existentialism or some other philosophical school of thought. Theyre just a few guiding principles (such as the oneness of the physical and spiritual) and the rest is open to examination/interpretation.

The Sanskrit word thats most often used for religion is 'dharma' which doesnt actually mean religion in the conventional sense. It actually essentially means a mode of thought and conduct, or perhaps the righteous mode of thought and conduct. It simply doesnt fit with the idea of religion as a set of practices with fixed laws that were handed down by a higher power. Apples and oranges, etc.

[Space-Cowboy]

Perhaps it would help if you weren't to think of Hinduism as a 'religion' in the sense Islam is a religion. Its closer to a mode of thought. You'd be better of comparing it to existentialism or some other philosophical school of thought. Theyre just a few guiding principles (such as the oneness of the physical and spiritual) and the rest is open to examination/interpretation.

The Sanskrit word thats most often used for religion is 'dharma' which doesnt actually mean religion in the conventional sense. It actually essentially means a mode of thought and conduct, or perhaps the righteous mode of thought and conduct. It simply doesnt fit with the idea of religion as a set of practices with fixed laws that were handed down by a higher power. Apples and oranges, etc.



When it comes down to it, it isn't about good/evil; right/wrong; do this/don't do that:

It's about Karma: cause and effect.... if there is a 'cause', expect an 'effect' .... what goes around comes around.

[0101]

When it comes down to it, it isn't about good/evil; right/wrong; do this/don't do that:

It's about Karma: cause and effect.... if there is a 'cause', expect an 'effect' .... what goes around comes around.

My personal definition of karma: In life, you do not get away with anything.

[Space-Cowboy]

My personal definition of karma: In life, you do not get away with anything.


True you simply can't, the laws of karma are applicable in the same way the laws of physics are applicable.

[aspaan]

well see here is the thing about hindus

they dont follow everything that is written in their scriptures unlike Islam where people still fall for the 72 virgins in the after life

my point is religion is fucking bullshit

Every religion has some really retarded notion, it depends on how to the core it is followed by the general masses of its followers

[HiGHland~Heather]

she however, obviously felt a high level of insecurity, to the point that she decided to respond by attacking hindusim, not realizing that doing so is only making her look stupid, and hurting her own cause.

Im not insecure at all, actually Im quite happy and if you read my initial post never did I say I knew what Hinduism was about, I just looked at a few quotes from some od their 'holy books' and placed them there for people to draw their own conclusions :lol:

I really don't care whether they are opinions, laws, rules or whatever the point is this is in your scriptures right?

Is the problem the fact that Muslims actually follow the teachings given to us?

I frankly don't care what any of these scriptures say to tell you the truth, all I was highlighting was the fact that these so-called opinions are highly derogatory and any non-hindu can paint a very skewed form of hinduism from them.....


I don't know jack about hinduism!!! And I don't care, my point was if someone wants to find evil/sexism/racism whatever in any so-called religion then its easy to find it!!


I could go on day and night bashing other people's religion but Im not adren@sh*t and really don't have the time on my hands to do that.

Like I said, I made my point and NO I don't 'look' stupid because I never claimed that all (or even any) Hindus believe in these customs or follow them. All I did was copy and paste - you all came to the conclusions yourselves!

[Felonius Monk]

in reality I find Hinduism is either completely perverse or barbaric or sometimes just plain fantasy and anyone who believes it to be real belongs in ga-ga land!


in reality I find Islam is either completely perverse or barbaric or sometimes just plain fantasy and anyone who believes it to be real belongs in ga-ga land!


Tell us if that doesn't sound offensive.

[aspaan]

Is the problem the fact that Muslims actually follow the teachings given to us?


ofcourse it is

when you have things like this written in ISLAM

Another nice one, 9:29 - 29 Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, and forbid not that which Allah hath forbidden by His messenger, and follow not the Religion of Truth, until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low.

"Mohammed is Allah's apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another." (Sura 48.29)


And since Islam is the "perfect" reliogion, why would it not be a problem to me if all you wanna do is be "ruthless" towards me because I dont follow Islam

[HiGHland~Heather]

Tell us if that doesn't sound offensive.

Yeh it is, but I was giving my personal opinion, like all the other non-muslims have given theirs when say how much they hate Islam etc etc. so why can't I?

Normally I would refrain from doing so because I wouldn't want to purposely offend but it seems like there is no room for common courtesy on SD, as the Islamophobes have displayed.

[Space-Cowboy]

Im not insecure at all, actually Im quite happy and if you read my initial post never did I say I knew what Hinduism was about, I just looked at a few quotes from some od their 'holy books' and placed them there for people to draw their own conclusions :lol:

I really don't care whether they are opinions, laws, rules or whatever the point is this is in your scriptures right?

Is the problem the fact that Muslims actually follow the teachings given to us?


Oh yea, you follow them to a tea, bang-up job you've been doing in the middle east. But I'm not here to criticize, I'm not like you. The PROBLEM is the fact that you believe what you wrote down to be LAW when in fact it is anything but. Again, there is no 'code of conduct' in Hinduism.


I frankly don't care what any of these scriptures say to tell you the truth, all I was highlighting was the fact that these so-called opinions are highly derogatory and any non-hindu can paint a very skewed form of hinduism from them.....

If said non-hindu was completely uneducated, borderline retarded, then yes...




I don't know jack about hinduism!!! And I don't care, my point was if someone wants to find evil/sexism/racism whatever in any so-called religion then its easy to find it!!

Again, if you're completely inept and take things out of context then sure...


I could go on day and night bashing other people's religion but Im not adren@sh*t and really don't have the time on my hands to do that.

It's quite apparent that you DO have that kinda time on your hands judging from this thread... and you're just as bad.


Like I said, I made my point and NO I don't 'look' stupid because I never claimed that all (or even any) Hindus believe in these customs or follow them. All I did was copy and paste - you all came to the conclusions yourselves!

"Hindus should look at their own scriptures" That says enough about the conclusion YOU drew from these. Enough said, just shut up, you're digging yourself into a deeper hole.

[Felonius Monk]

Yeh it is, but I was giving my personal opinion, like all the other non-muslims have given theirs when say how much they hate Islam etc etc. so why can't I?

Normally I would refrain from doing so because I wouldn't want to purposely offend but it seems like there is no room for common courtesy on SD, as the Islamophobes have displayed.
My point was you can't post out of context quotes and make derogatory comments like that and then come back and say you're better than adrenaline. You just did exactly what he does. Its a very poor way to make a point. In fact I don't think you made any point at all.

[HiGHland~Heather]

My point was you can't post out of context quotes and make derogatory comments like that and then come back and say you're better than adrenaline. You just did exactly what he does, but in a more blatant way. Its a very poor way to make a point. In fact I don't think you made any point at all.

But I thought 'context'was unimprotant!!

This thread was directed at those exact people who go on rampantly about context being some kind of facade that Muslims have to hide under!!

My point was exactly that, context and perception!!

[paulie walnuts]

This isn't about hating on hindus, I only want to make a point that hindus on here and generally everywhere are so quick to judge Islam and Muslims when in reality I find Hinduism is either completely perverse or barbaric or sometimes just plain fantasy and anyone who believes it to be real belongs in ga-ga land!what is hinduism to you?

please list the hindu shruti scriptures (holy scriptures), and let us examine which of the quotes you have posted come from scriptures that fall into this category.

of course, we are accepting that your dalistan.com referencing is valid, which it obviously isn't.

[HiGHland~Heather]

If said non-hindu was completely uneducated, borderline retarded, then yes...

Then the same goes for anyone who takes any scriptures at face value?!


"Hindus should look at their own scriptures" That says enough about the conclusion YOU drew from these. Enough said, just shut up, you're digging yourself into a deeper hole.

My conclusions were that any scripture when taken out of context and with no/little background knowledge can be perceived in a negative light if that is your initial intention.

I don't see anything wrong with that, if you do then that's your perogative, and if you don't understand why, then u get out of this thread.

[Felonius Monk]

But I thought 'context'was unimprotant!!

This thread was directed at those exact people who go on rampantly about context being some kind of facade that Muslims have to hide under!!

My point was exactly that, context and perception!!

Do you not get that adrenaline is the only one who thinks context is unimportant?

Do you not get that there are Hindus other than adrenaline?

Do you not get that if you want to make a point, you have to state it?

Do you still not get that you're doing exactly what you've been criticizing?


Meh. This should teach me for getting involved in a religious argument.

[HiGHland~Heather]

Do you not get that adrenaline is the only one who thinks context is unimportant?

Do you not get that there are Hindus other than adrenaline?

Do you not get that if you want to make a point, you have to state it?

Do you still not get that you're doing exactly what you've been criticizing?


Meh. This should teach me for getting involved in a religious argument.

Do you not get that this thread was directed at him?

And D'oh of course I am doing that! That was my point - that it is stupid!!!!!

[_A-s-H-i_]

my conclusion if u wana no abt hinduism dont just look it up on the net
sum stuff mite just be plain bull
go to sum person and ask abt the religion(Guru or Hindu Followers Etc) insted of stirin beef AYT!!

[Roshii]

Oh yeah like Islam is perfect. :rolleyes:

[_A-s-H-i_]

Oh yeah like Islam is perfect. :rolleyes:

my point exactly

[Felonius Monk]

Do you not get that this thread was directed at him?

And D'oh of course I am doing that! That was my point - that it is stupid!!!!!
Then say its directed at him. Fucking christ. It took you until page 2 to figure out that you should clarify that 'Hindus' means adrenaline to you?

Or just PM it to him?

[Roshii]

my point exactly
if she was a 'nice' Muslim girl then why is she hating on other religions?

I shall refrain from swearing...

Also, Hinduism rocks :D

[HiGHland~Heather]

Then say its directed at him. Fucking christ. It took you until page 2 to figure out that you should clarify that 'Hindus' doesnt mean adrenaline?

Or just PM it to him?

There are a few others like him, and what harm is there for everyone to accept and acknowledge this reality?

All anyone has done here is get offended and emotional and then point back to Islam. No-one has even tried to defend Hinduism (besides Spac Cowboy - a little) and absolutely no-one explained the true meaning of those verses.

[_A-s-H-i_]

if she was a 'nice' Muslim girl then why is she hating on other religions?

I shall refrain from swearing...

Also, Hinduism rocks :D

highlander heater more like lowlandin piece of dump :kekeke:

[HiGHland~Heather]

if she was a 'nice' Muslim girl then why is she hating on other religions?

I shall refrain from swearing...

Also, Hinduism rocks :D

Actually I;m so bloody nice that I even took it down out of courtesy!!

Haven't seen any of the hindu ppl taking down any of the inflammatory comments they made on Islam - have you?!

[_A-s-H-i_]

Actually I;m so bloody nice that I even took it down out of courtesy!!

Haven't seen any of the hindu ppl taking down any of the inflammatory comments they made on Islam - have you?!

dnt try shift the blame to others
u bought this stuff up now deal wi the ppl u pissed off
thank u cum agen

[HiGHland~Heather]

highlander heater more like lowlandin piece of dump :kekeke:

its highland heather - I think you need to brush up on your reading skills luv.

[JamesBitch]

Felonious Monk stated "Perhaps it would help if you weren't to think of Hinduism as a 'religion' in the sense Islam is a religion"

Please note, Islam is not a religion either in the context of which ppl refer to it..... It is a way of life.

Peace :wavey:

[Roshii]

Actually I;m so bloody nice that I even took it down out of courtesy!!

Haven't seen any of the hindu ppl taking down any of the inflammatory comments they made on Islam - have you?!
why did you write it in the first place?

And ofcourse they will keep it, you wouldnt like it if someone dissed ur religion now would you?

[Felonius Monk]

There are a few others like him, and what harm is there for everyone to accept and acknowledge this reality?

All anyone has done here is get offended and emotional and then point back to Islam. No-one has even tried to defend Hinduism (besides Spac Cowboy - a little) and absolutely no-one explained the true meaning of those verses.
The meaning of those verses is irrelevant since they're of marginal importance in Hinduism. They aren't law. You can take them literally and Hindus will agree with you that they're despicable ideas.

[_A-s-H-i_]

its highland heather - I think you need to brush up on your reading skills luv.

oh yeh do u no where i can get sum from nice cheap pair or actually i mite mek sum at home for free

[_A-s-H-i_]

The meaning of those verses is irrelevant since they're of marginal importance in Hinduism. They aren't law. You can take them literally and Hindus will agree with you that they're despicable ideas.

:yes:

[HiGHland~Heather]

dnt try shift the blame to others
u bought this stuff up now deal wi the ppl u pissed off
thank u cum agen

I will blame who the heck I want, maybe you should try to look at some of the comments your fellow hindus make before you start bitching at me.

I really don't know why everyone is soooo p*ssed off - if its because of my opinion - fair enough but what happened to individuality, am I not allowed to feel that way?


If you're annoyed at the quotes then don't blame me, either explain them or stfu, because I didn't write them!!

Maybe if the muslims reacted so emotionally like this instead of actually discussing and arguing with the hindu islamophobes then that might actually solve the problem. :sarb:

[boredatwork]

my conclusion if u wana no abt hinduism dont just look it up on the net
sum stuff mite just be plain bull
go to sum person and ask abt the religion(Guru or Hindu Followers Etc) insted of stirin beef AYT!!

:rofl: sorry that made me laugh :ashamed:

yeah that was a dumb ass thread to begin with heather.

[aspaan]

umm dont you ppl realise all religions are a way of controlling the masses

look at you guys fighting and screaming

bahahahahaha

thats why just have fun eat drink enjoy your life

you know what is right and what is wrong

do you really need some book to tell you what to do

[_A-s-H-i_]

I will blame who the heck I want, maybe you should try to look at some of the comments your fellow hindus make before you start bitching at me.

I really don't know why everyone is soooo p*ssed off - if its because of my opinion - fair enough but what happened to individuality, am I not allowed to feel that way?


If you're annoyed at the quotes then don't blame me, either explain them or stfu, because I didn't write them!!

Maybe if the muslims reacted so emotionally like this instead of actually discussing and arguing with the hindu islamophobes then that might actually solve the problem. :sarb:

am bored of u and wot u think i suggest u go suck dick it'll keep ur mouth shut and ur hands occupied

[Roshii]

umm dont you ppl realise all religions are a way of controlling the masses

look at you guys fighting and screaming

bahahahahaha

thats why just have fun eat drink enjoy your life

you know what is right and what is wrong

do you really need some book to tell you what to do
agreed
I dont even know why she made the thread, especially when she didn't know the reality of it in the first place

[_A-s-H-i_]

:rofl: sorry that made me laugh :ashamed:

yeah that was a dumb ass thread to begin with heather.
:lol:

[aspaan]

am bored of u and wot u think i suggest u go suck dick it'll keep ur mouth shut and ur hands occupied



When you screem you seem like a whiny ass kid. SCREAMING doesnt help your point.

make your point clear and concise

[rex_maximus]

Tell us if that doesn't sound offensive.


:rofl:

[HiGHland~Heather]

am bored of u and wot u think i suggest u go suck dick it'll keep ur mouth shut and ur hands occupied


Silly child :hand:

Go read a book maybe you will learn a thing or two!

If all else fails, cuss someone out ..:think:.... very clever ghetto princess!

[_A-s-H-i_]

When you screem you seem like a whiny ass kid. SCREAMING doesnt help your point.

make your point clear and concise

ok shall i reduced the size a lil :sarb:

[WhatDidYouSay!?]

my conclusion if u wana no abt hinduism dont just look it up on the net
sum stuff mite just be plain bull
go to sum person and ask abt the religion(Guru or Hindu Followers Etc) insted of stirin beef AYT!!

:yes:

Agree :D

[boredatwork]

I will blame who the heck I want, maybe you should try to look at some of the comments your fellow hindus make before you start bitching at me.

I really don't know why everyone is soooo p*ssed off - if its because of my opinion - fair enough but what happened to individuality, am I not allowed to feel that way?


If you're annoyed at the quotes then don't blame me, either explain them or stfu, because I didn't write them!!

Maybe if the muslims reacted so emotionally like this instead of actually discussing and arguing with the hindu islamophobes then that might actually solve the problem. :sarb:

A few of them do. Bad mouthing other religions achieves nothing. Whats the point of stiring up hate. You dont speak for most muslims so stop trying create crap on my behalf.

[_A-s-H-i_]

Silly child :hand:

Go read a book maybe you will learn a thing or two!

If all else fails, cuss someone out ..:think:.... very clever ghetto princess!

like yeh woteva! i really cant be assed, yeh i think i need to start ready cos i think am iliterate

[_A-s-H-i_]

:yes:

Agree :D

sum ppls psssst they are so :gay:

[nygirl]

When it comes down to it, it isn't about good/evil; right/wrong; do this/don't do that:

It's about Karma: cause and effect.... if there is a 'cause', expect an 'effect' .... what goes around comes around.
yup i agree

[paulie walnuts]

I will blame who the heck I want, maybe you should try to look at some of the comments your fellow hindus make before you start bitching at me.

I really don't know why everyone is soooo p*ssed off - if its because of my opinion - fair enough but what happened to individuality, am I not allowed to feel that way?


If you're annoyed at the quotes then don't blame me, either explain them or stfu, because I didn't write them!!

Maybe if the muslims reacted so emotionally like this instead of actually discussing and arguing with the hindu islamophobes then that might actually solve the problem. :sarb:hi HiGHland~Heather.

why didn't you respond to my post?

[aspaan]

hi HiGHland~Heather.

why didn't you respond to my post?

she didnt respond to mine either

cause she prolly has nothing to say

but I must say ppl shouldnt loose their nerves

that kid ashi

you dont explain things like that by screaming and bitching

[Space-Cowboy]

There are a few others like him, and what harm is there for everyone to accept and acknowledge this reality?

All anyone has done here is get offended and emotional and then point back to Islam. No-one has even tried to defend Hinduism (besides Spac Cowboy - a little) and absolutely no-one explained the true meaning of those verses.


What do you mean by a little? I've pretty much knocked off every line in your original post. If you have a beef with Adren, then PM him instead of dragging the rest of Hinduism down with you and him.

[WhatDidYouSay!?]

sum ppls psssst they are so :gay:

lol

yeshi :hay:

lol

[WhatDidYouSay!?]

What do you mean by a little? I've pretty much knocked off every line in your original post. If you have a beef with Adren, then PM him instead of dragging the rest of Hinduism down with you and him.

They want some e-drama :p

[Space-Cowboy]

and absolutely no-one explained the true meaning of those verses

You can interpret the meanings of these verses any way that you want. All you have to be aware of are the Universal consequences of Karma. All they do is go to suggest / show how one might have lived their lives back then in that era. Those verses have no relation to the spirituality aspect of the religion.

[HiGHland~Heather]

what is hinduism to you?

please list the hindu shruti scriptures (holy scriptures), and let us examine which of the quotes you have posted come from scriptures that fall into this category.

of course, we are accepting that your dalistan.com referencing is valid, which it obviously isn't.


Hinduism is a religion that is practised mainly in India - means nothing to me personally but Hindus who outright (try to) degrade Islam with weak, futile repetitive agruments do tend to annoy me....

Actually the quotes above were given alongside the respective scriptures they came from, and they were not Sruti scriptures, they were Smriti ones.

And although not all Hindus consider them as scriptures - most do!

If you can prove to me those given quotes are not in the given scriptures then that's fine. In fact, that's what I would like you to do - you know, you do the work and I'll read :lol:

[Space-Cowboy]

They want some e-drama :p


Been there, done that, read the first page.

[paulie walnuts]

she didnt respond to mine either

cause she prolly has nothing to say

but I must say ppl shouldnt loose their nerves

that kid ashi

you dont explain things like that by screaming and bitchingyeah that is true, most of the hindu responses in this thread are either inaccurate, stupid, embarrassing...or all three.

[HiGHland~Heather]

she didnt respond to mine either

cause she prolly has nothing to say

but I must say ppl shouldnt loose their nerves

that kid ashi

you dont explain things like that by screaming and bitching

This thread isn't about having to defend Islam, you can go to the tirade of other Hindu/Sikh-initiated threads for that where I have personally countered the 'arguments' posed.

So that's why I didn't feel the need to respond to you.

[Space-Cowboy]

yeah that is true, most of the hindu responses in this thread are either inaccurate, stupid, embarrassing...or all three.

What's so inaccurate about what I've said? I've explained that Hinduism isn't about 'RULES AND REGULATIONS'..... that's all I've explained.

[Punjabi_Link]

Is the "Laws of Manu" part of Hinduism or is it more an Indian thing?

[Space-Cowboy]

yup i agree


You better! :squint:

[paulie walnuts]

Hinduism is a religion that is practised mainly in India - means nothing to me personally but Hindus who outright (try to) degrade Islam with weak, futile repetitive agruments do tend to annoy me....thanks, but i don't think this has anything to do with what i asked you.

Actually the quotes above were given alongside the respective scriptures they came from, and they were not Sruti scriptures, they were Smriti ones.do you realize that there are dozens of smirtis, and hundreds of additional obscure smirtis? the vast majority of the smirtis are not even accepted, let alone considered to be holy or representative of hindu belief or philosophy.

just because a hindu authored a scripture, doesn't mean it is a holy scripture that is acknowledged by hindus as sacred or divine.

i wouldn't cite an obscure qadiani "daeef" hadith to prove the flaws of islam to you. likewise, you look foolish citing scriptures that most hindus have never heard of, let alone acknowledge as a holy scripture.

And although not all Hindus consider them as scriptures - most do!if you meant to say that most hindus consider them to be sacred scriptures, then you are talking out of your buttocks. lol, how many hindus do you think have copies of the manusmirti sitting on the shelf next to the upanishads or bhagavad gita?

If you can prove to me those given quotes are not in the given scriptures then that's fine. In fact, that's what I would like you to do - you know, you do the work and I'll read :lol:this is not necessary. for you, doing so is necessary because the quran is you primary canon.

[xsilent_watersx]

thanks, but i don't think this has anything to do with what i asked you.

do you realize that there are dozens of smirtis, and hundreds of additional obscure smirtis? the vast majority of the smirtis are not even accepted, let alone considered to be holy or representative of hindu belief or philosophy.

just because a hindu authored a scripture, doesn't mean it is a holy scripture that is acknowledged by hindus as sacred or divine.

i wouldn't cite an obscure qadiani "daeef" hadith to prove the flaws of islam to you. likewise, you look foolish citing scriptures that most hindus have never heard of, let alone acknowledge as a holy scripture.

if you meant to say that most hindus consider them to be sacred scriptures, then you are talking out of your buttocks. lol, how many hindus do you think have copies of the manusmirti sitting on the shelf next to the upanishads or bhagavad gita?

this is not necessary. for you, doing so is necessary because the quran is you primary canon.lol...the walnuts has arrived

[aspaan]

This thread isn't about having to defend Islam, you can go to the tirade of other Hindu/Sikh-initiated threads for that where I have personally countered the 'arguments' posed.

So that's why I didn't feel the need to respond to you.

lol so its ok to point out the negative on the other side

but no need to explain yourself :clap:

seems unfair oh but you are a muslim and I am an infidel so I guess its ok

[NdNStaTEofMinD]

Most of the "scriptures" that were written after Sects started to form within hinduism(saivism,Vaishnavism ,etc.) were by Brahmins who wanted more power over others than they ever should have had. Thas how this caste system shit came into play and all of these million gods.


If u want to quote any scriptures of Hinduism quote from Vedas or Upanishads.

[rex_maximus]

lets not forget the reason that incited the creation this thread in the first place.....highland heather's frustation at having to defend islam in the other thread.

since no one, not even adrenaline used any profanity in the other thread....but actually brought up content thats actually in the quran and the hadiths, highland heather thought it to be appropriate to bring up what she thinks are legit hindu scruptures.

she obviously wanted to find something that would show hinduism in bad light, as evident from her pasting content from dalitstan.org

now....she has not only failed to sufficiently answer legit qtions towards islam in the other thread, but has also show her weakness by attacking hinduism.

all in all, i wonder if she actually gained anything.

[NdNStaTEofMinD]

lets not forget the reason that incited the creation this thread in the first place.....highland heather's frustation at having to defend islam in the other thread.

since no one, not even adrenaline used any profanity in the other thread....but actually brought up content thats actually in the quran and the hadiths, highland heather thought it to be appropriate to bring up what she thinks are legit hindu scruptures.

she obviously wanted to find something that would show hinduism in bad light, as evident from her pasting content from dalitstan.org

now....she has not only failed to sufficiently answer legit qtions towards islam in the other thread, but has also show her weakness by attacking hinduism.

all in all, i wonder if she actually gained anything.
After all this bullshit she better have gained some knowledge about what she had no clue about in the first place.

[HiGHland~Heather]

thanks, but i don't think this has anything to do with what i asked you.

do you realize that there are dozens of smirtis, and hundreds of additional obscure smirtis? the vast majority of the smirtis are not even accepted, let alone considered to be holy or representative of hindu belief or philosophy.

just because a hindu authored a scripture, doesn't mean it is a holy scripture that is acknowledged by hindus as sacred or divine.

i wouldn't cite an obscure qadiani "daeef" hadith to prove the flaws of islam to you. likewise, you look foolish citing scriptures that most hindus have never heard of, let alone acknowledge as a holy scripture.

if you meant to say that most hindus consider them to be sacred scriptures, then you are talking out of your buttocks. lol, how many hindus do you think have copies of the manusmirti sitting on the shelf next to the upanishads or bhagavad gita?

this is not necessary. for you, doing so is necessary because the quran is you primary canon.


Actually aren't the Ramayana and Mahabharata, which includes the Bhagavad Gita itself Smriti texts?

Maybe it is a fallacy, but these are the main texts most non-Hindus will have heard of and they seem pretty intrinsic to Hinduism from what I have perceived.

The 'laws of manu' are quite well-known, whether or not you agree with it, since this contains the justification of the caste system and the 'superiority' of Brahmins.

Its good of you to explain that you don't follow that line of thought but there are many people out there who also call themselves Hindus who do follow the caste system etc just like there are many Muslims who follow things that are misrepresetations of Islam, and don't deny it is never used as the basis of countless arguments.


And the only defense so far is to deny that you even believe in it or class it as worthless :clap: Great Strategy!

[HiGHland~Heather]

lol so its ok to point out the negative on the other side

but no need to explain yourself :clap:

seems unfair oh but you are a muslim and I am an infidel so I guess its ok


I said I don't need to exaplin jack in this thread because that is not the topic, in fact this is a reaction and an answer of sorts to the millions of threads that do attack Islamis texts, like the ones you pasted.

In fact I have argued and explained many a time, if you had bothered to read other posts. Or could you not get past the fact that I dared to point out flaws in Hinduism....

[vimi]

U all are losers
GET A LIFE

[aspaan]

I said I don't need to exaplin jack in this thread because that is not the topic, in fact this is a reaction and an answer of sorts to the millions of threads that do attack Islamis texts, like the ones you pasted.

In fact I have argued and explained many a time, if you had bothered to read other posts. Or could you not get past the fact that I dared to point out flaws in Hinduism....

didnt you read what I said

every religion has flaws

but those who live in glass houses shouldnt throw stones

[HiGHland~Heather]

didnt you read what I said

every religion has flaws

but those who live in glass houses shouldnt throw stones


I'm glad you get my point :lol:



ok, one down.............anyone else?



Actually, I never claimed them to be flaws, I gave them benefit of the doubt and merely called them 'perceived' flaws.

[Space-Cowboy]

Actually aren't the Ramayana and Mahabharata, which includes the Bhagavad Gita itself Smriti texts?

Maybe it is a fallacy, but these are the main texts most non-Hindus will have heard of and they seem pretty intrinsic to Hinduism from what I have perceived.

The 'laws of manu' are quite well-known, whether or not you agree with it, since this contains the justification of the caste system and the 'superiority' of Brahmins.

Its good of you to explain that you don't follow that line of thought but there are many people out there who also call themselves Hindus who do follow the caste system etc just like there are many Muslims who follow things that are misrepresetations of Islam, and don't deny it is never used as the basis of countless arguments.


And the only defense so far is to deny that you even believe in it or class it as worthless :clap: Great Strategy!


Yes, but they are the uneducated and uncultured. And again, the laws of manu are taken within the contexts of the times they were created in and HINDUS OURSELVES have pointed out the flaw in that line of thinking.... as such, brahmins today wouldn't dare claim their superiority over other castes.

[fratty]

The thing is most hindu scripture is rarely taken literally. I know plenty of hindus who do not believe the events in Ramayana and other hindu mythology, but they are still practicing hindus. Hinduism is very complex and has several sects. I have family who go to temples with no idols or even aarti although those seem instrinic to hinduism. But Hinduism is more than idols and aarti. It is about a multi-faceted god who has come down as many avatars during times of chaos. But I think its hard to pin down hinduism or categorize it. It is complex yet simple. Hinduism is a very accepting religion, but the culture in India might not be.

[Space-Cowboy]

The thing is most hindu scripture is rarely taken literally. I know plenty of hindus who do not believe the events in Ramayana and other hindu mythology, but they are still practicing hindus. Hinduism is very complex and has several sects. I have family who go to temples with no idols or even aarti although those seem instrinic to hinduism. But Hinduism is more than idols and aarti. It is about a multi-faceted god who has come down as many avatars during times of chaos. But I think its hard to pin down hinduism or categorize it. It is complex yet simple. Hinduism is a very accepting religion, but the culture in India might not be.

That's only the mythological aspect of it. In Hinduism there is 1) Hindu Myth 2) Hindu Spirituality/Philosophy.

Myths explain suggestions on how to go about living THIS life.

Philosophy opens the door to the Greater Reality.

[paulie walnuts]

Actually aren't the Ramayana and Mahabharata, which includes the Bhagavad Gita itself Smriti texts?

Maybe it is a fallacy, but these are the main texts most non-Hindus will have heard of and they seem pretty intrinsic to Hinduism from what I have perceived.yes, both are smirti texts....and combined with the puranas, they comprise the only smirtis that hindus consider to be holy (although, many hindus reject all smirtis as being holy, and simply use the gita as a shruti-inspired scripture). exceptions to this rule are few and far between.

The 'laws of manu' are quite well-known, whether or not you agree with it, since this contains the justification of the caste system and the 'superiority' of Brahmins.sure, the code of manu is well known, but that isn't the point i've contended. the laws of manu are not holy hindu laws...they were the laws of ancient india, as codified by a guy named manu.

Its good of you to explain that you don't follow that line of thought but there are many people out there who also call themselves Hindus who do follow the caste system etc just like there are many Muslims who follow things that are misrepresetations of Islam, and don't deny it is never used as the basis of countless arguments.of course many hindus follow the caste system. this is not evidence of the manusmirti being a holy text. manu didn't come up with the varna system, he simply injected the hereditary and discriminatory components into the system. in its vedic form, varna was a simple division of the labor force without hereditary barriers or notions of superiority. more importantly, hindus that discriminate based on caste in this day and age do it out of tradition and habit. they don't crack open the manusmirti and claim it is the divine way.

it should be obvious that hindus do a lot of stupid stuff that contradicts core hindu beliefs and teachings, so i don't really see your point. if your point is that muslims do the same with respect to islamic teachings, then i agree. if a muslim rapes a bunch of babies, i don't think many people would say he is following islamic teachings. even if he shouts allahu akbar while raping the babies, people still wouldn't say he is following islamic teachings. the debate that seems to have sparked this eruption of yours was regarding a quranic verse, not the actions of muslims.

And the only defense so far is to deny that you even believe in it or class it as worthless :clap: Great Strategy!again, would you feel the need to defend an obscure qadiani hadith being used to malign islam/muslims? would it make sense for me to call you out on your "strategy" of classing it as worthless as your defense?

[HiGHland~Heather]

the debate that seems to have sparked this eruption of yours was regarding a quranic verse, not the actions of muslims.

It wasn't sparked by one particular event/comment, it was a plethora of 'arguments' that people use to chastise many religions not just Islam.

[The Anti Desi]

Junked