I never understood or will understand why people drink...

[Cyber Molvi]

Ok tell me guys, what do you get out of drinking?

I mean, we all know the negative effects of alcohol, but most people still do it, even muslims, and I can't figure out why.

I mean why do you drink something that destroy's your liver, makes you act like a dumbass, kills your braincells, and gives you bad breath.

I mean aren't we suppose to improve and better ourselves, isn't that what life is about?

Yet on a weekly basis people indulge in something that just makes them stupider and stupider with every sip.

Please enlighten me.

[Mz_Newyawk]

to get away from the world
to 4get who u r once in awhile
to act stupid and fucked up witout giving a shit what the fuckin world would think of u!!

[SillyKitty]

OMGG i wanna know too..

I remember one of my co worker forced me to drink.. like litterally forced a bottle in my mouth// and it tasted SOOOOOOOO NASTYYYYYYY :Puke:



and after that i got the worst feelin EVER.. cudnt even TALK, WALK straight.. and PUKED all ovver.. :no:

[ispeakadatruth!!]

i dont drink coz i like my body system to be as clean as possible...but i have drank before and i can don 10 glasses in one sitting and still walk straight..my drinking ability was very much admired..:cool:

[Cyber Molvi]

i dont drink coz i like my body system to be as clean as possible...but i have drank before and i can don 10 glasses in one sitting and still walk straight..my drinking ability was very much admired..:cool:

why do u take something that is harmful to you?

[Cyber Molvi]

to get away from the world
to 4get who u r once in awhile
to act stupid and fucked up witout giving a shit what the fuckin world would think of u!!

there are other ways to do this

[King Ghidra]

Ok tell me guys, what do you get out of drinking?

I mean, we all know the negative effects of alcohol, but most people still do it, even muslims, and I can't figure out why.

I mean why do you drink something that destroy's your liver, makes you act like a dumbass, kills your braincells, and gives you bad breath.

I mean aren't we suppose to improve and better ourselves, isn't that what life is about?

Yet on a weekly basis people indulge in something that just makes them stupider and stupider with every sip.

Please enlighten me.

:werd:

[shadab]

to get away from the world
to 4get who u r once in awhile
to act stupid and fucked up witout giving a shit what the fuckin world would think of u!!
great response.

kinda nailed it on the head

also don't forget, to have a great time with your friends, and when you're drinking, everyone is a friend.

[King Ghidra]

to act stupid and fucked up witout giving a shit what the fuckin world would think of u!!

You don't need to drink to do that, i'm living example of this.... :neutral:

[Mz_Newyawk]

great response.

kinda nailed it on the head

also don't forget, to have a great time with your friends, and when you're drinking, everyone is a friend.
EXACTLLLYYYY no bdy has enemies when they r drunk
everybdy is one!

[shadab]

You don't need to drink to do that, i'm living example of this.... :neutral:
not everyone has such an openess about them. alcohol is the key to open the door of stupidity. the hangover is the sign of the struggle trying to close that door.

[ispeakadatruth!!]

why do u take something that is harmful to you?


blah, i used to drink once in a blue moon just for the fun of it...and cocktail bars so much fun...dont do that anymore......in fact i dont drink tea, coffee, soft drinks and alcohol...my liver is happy!! :D

[shadab]

EXACTLLLYYYY no bdy has enemies when they r drunk
everybdy is one!
drinking is so much fun

[Cyber Molvi]

great response.

kinda nailed it on the head

also don't forget, to have a great time with your friends, and when you're drinking, everyone is a friend.

this is pure idiocy

if you can't have a great time sober, you are fucked in the head mentally and should see a pychiatrist.

[Cyber Molvi]

blah, i used to drink once in a blue moon just for the fun of it...and cocktail bars so much fun...dont do that anymore......in fact i dont drink tea, coffee, soft drinks and alcohol...my liver is happy!! :D

good for you

[shadab]

this is pure idiocy

if you can't have a great time sober, you are fucked in the head mentally and should see a pychiatrist.
i didn't say that a person can't have a great time when they are sober. being drunk is a different type of great time. you forget your worries and you live for the moment. the club is alive, it has its own energy, the music is pumping and all your friends are going crazy around you. the only thought in your mind is what a great time you're having and you almost wish that it would never end.

[King Ghidra]

not everyone has such an openess about them. alcohol is the key to open the door of stupidity. the hangover is the sign of the struggle trying to close that door.

Meh that's cool

Personally i don't like drinking, but i don't go telling anyone not to drink. What they do is none of my business, unless it gets out of hand.

[Cyber Molvi]

i didn't say that a person can't have a great time when they are sober. being drunk is a different type of great time. you forget your worries and you live for the moment. the club is alive, it has its own energy, the music is pumping and all your friends are going crazy around you. the only thought in your mind is what a great time you're having and you almost wish that it would never end.

I can have the same feeling sober, why can't you?

[Chronos]

i didn't say that a person can't have a great time when they are sober. being drunk is a different type of great time. you forget your worries and you live for the moment. the club is alive, it has its own energy, the music is pumping and all your friends are going crazy around you. the only thought in your mind is what a great time you're having and you almost wish that it would never end.

hence the "sharab" written in your sig?

[SillyKitty]

this is pure idiocy

if you can't have a great time sober, you are fucked in the head mentally and should see a pychiatrist.
:lol: yea..

cuz i never had a good time when i got drunk.. cuz i cud hardly seee anything..:dunno:

[shadab]

I can have the same feeling sober, why can't you?
cuz you're better than me?

[shadab]

hence the "sharab" written in your sig?
shadab.

[kaseem]

Ok tell me guys, what do you get out of drinking?

I mean, we all know the negative effects of alcohol, but most people still do it, even muslims, and I can't figure out why.

I mean why do you drink something that destroy's your liver, makes you act like a dumbass, kills your braincells, and gives you bad breath.

I mean aren't we suppose to improve and better ourselves, isn't that what life is about?

Yet on a weekly basis people indulge in something that just makes them stupider and stupider with every sip.

Please enlighten me.

cause it makes them happy. Molvi

[SillyKitty]

hence the "sharab" written in your sig?


shadab.


:rofl: HAHAHAH !

[Cyber Molvi]

cuz you're better than me?

I'm asking you an honest question.

you are saying you forgo your intelligence and health just to have a good time.

don't you find something wrong with that?

and as i recall aren't you muslim?

you shouldn't be drinking in the first place.

[the big d]

getting wasted is one thing, getting drunk is another

its fun to get drunk sometimes, good mood, jokes are funnier. good to get out there and dance. for some ppl, it gives them courage. just a way to let loose

[Cyber Molvi]

cause it makes them happy. Molvi

killing my boss would make me happy also, but that doesn't mean i would do it.

[shadab]

I'm asking you an honest question.

you are saying you forgo your intelligence and health just to have a good time.

don't you find something wrong with that?

and as i recall aren't you muslim?

you shouldn't be drinking in the first place.
maybe intelligence and health are over valued. maybe life is only about having one moment after another and our job is to try to make as many of them as happy as we can. and yeah, i shouldn't be drinking.

[shadab]

:rofl: HAHAHAH !
difference of one letter.

[Cyber Molvi]

maybe intelligence and health are over valued. maybe life is only about having one moment after another and our job is to try to make as many of them as happy as we can. and yeah, i shouldn't be drinking.

wow...

you aren't drunk right now are you?

[Chronos]

difference of one letter.

hmm.. sorry that letter just looks more like a 'ra' than a 'dal'.

[shadab]

wow...

you aren't drunk right now are you?
why? does that seem ludicrious to you?

[shadab]

hmm.. sorry that letter just looks more like a 'ra' than a 'dal'.
no biggie, arabic font and tiny lettering. sux

[SillyKitty]

difference of one letter.
:lol: yea

[Cyber Molvi]

why? does that seem ludicrious to you?

if you did not infer that from my initial post then I'm not sure what you got out of this entire conversation.

[shadab]

if you did not infer that from my initial post then I'm not sure what you got out of this entire conversation.
to such a point that anyone even attempting to explain why it might be desirable has to be drunk at the moment?

[kwitcherbitchin]

i personally don't like getting piss drunk

but being tipsy is awesome and you won't know why unless you've actually tried it...and you can't have the same feeling while sober, in my opinion.

i'm not telling people to go and drink...do whatever floats your boat...it's good if you don't drink but if others want to do it it's really their problem :)

[Cyber Molvi]

to such a point that anyone even attempting to explain why it might be desirable has to be drunk at the moment?

try correct grammar this time.

[kaseem]

killing my boss would make me happy also, but that doesn't mean i would do it.

they dont take life's they jus be sippin on Baileys

[shadab]

try correct grammar this time.
because you didn't understand what i meant? or because you have no point and that was the only thing you could pick up on?

ps. the sentence does contain proper grammer.

it basically says "do you think it is so ludicrious for a person to drink to such a point that anyone even attemtping to explain why it might be desirable has to be drunk at the moment?"

common sense.

[Cyber Molvi]

because you didn't understand what i meant? or because you have no point and that was the only thing you could pick up on?

ps. the sentence does contain proper grammer.

it basically says "do you think it is so ludicrious for a person to drink to such a point that anyone even attemtping to explain why it might be desirable has to be drunk at the moment?"

common sense.

someone who dismisses the need for intelligence and health lacks common sense, thus you are an oxymoron.

[wiNk wiNk ....]

i don't hate anything more than a pissed woman/man.

fucken knob jobs throwin up every where.

nasty mother fucks

[Cyber Molvi]

i don't hate anything more than a pissed woman/man.

fucken knob jobs throwin up every where.

nasty mother fucks

for real yo for real

[King Ghidra]

someone who dismisses the need for intelligence and health lacks common sense, thus you are an oxymoron.

http://csr.oli.tudelft.nl/huizen/hg/tdg/022_oxymoron.jpg

[shadab]

someone who dismisses the need for intelligence and health lacks common sense, thus you are an oxymoron.
i didn't dismiss the need for intelligence or health. i said that to the extent that a person can't drink recreationally because you feel that it destroys health and intelligence, they are overvalued. as countless studies have shown, actually having one or two drinks a day is good for the health. it prevent heart attacks and strokes because alcohol has the ability to thin blood (less cholestrol). i would appreciate it if you stopped the personal attacks. i am ok with intelligent discourse, but feel no need to get into a personal argument with someone i hardly know just because they don't appreciate my views.

[sub-zero]

Ok tell me guys, what do you get out of drinking?

I mean, we all know the negative effects of alcohol, but most people still do it, even muslims, and I can't figure out why.

I mean why do you drink something that destroy's your liver, makes you act like a dumbass, kills your braincells, and gives you bad breath.

I mean aren't we suppose to improve and better ourselves, isn't that what life is about?

Yet on a weekly basis people indulge in something that just makes them stupider and stupider with every sip.

Please enlighten me.


because alcohol is confidence in a bottle :o :o :o

[Cyber Molvi]

i didn't dismiss the need for intelligence or health. i said that to the extent that a person can't drink recreationally because you feel that it destroys health and intelligence, they are overvalued. as countless studies have shown, actually having one or two drinks a day is good for the health. it prevent heart attacks and strokes because alcohol has the ability to thin blood (less cholestrol). i would appreciate it if you stopped the personal attacks. i am ok with intelligent discourse, but feel no need to get into a personal argument with someone i hardly know just because they don't appreciate my views.

please try to think outside of the box for once. yes, studies do show that one or two drinks a day are good for health, but did you ever stop and think why this is so? And just for the record, it's not alcohol that is beneficial, it's wine.

And the reason wine is beneficial is because of the grape extract found in it. So if eat grapes then you will get the same benefit. You will not get the same benefit from drinkin a Corona or two a day I assure you.

This is one of the reasons the French are so healthy, they drink wine with every meal, they smoke thier asses off but don't get lung cancer. And I don't know if you have been to France or not, but you don't see alot of over weight people, even the old dudes are fit.

you can't say the same for american who liked to get retarded everyday after work.

[Cyber Molvi]

because alcohol is confidence in a bottle :o :o :o

a false sense of it

[wiNk wiNk ....]

for real yo for real

***** you sound pissed as well.

[Cyber Molvi]

***** you sound pissed as well.

not pissed, just hungry

[kaseem]

why make a fucking thread if youve already stated that your never going to understand 06 Molvi

[Cyber Molvi]

why make a fucking thread if youve already stated that your never going to understand 06 Molvi

because I "fucking" wanted entertainment

i get a kick out of your weak responses

[shadab]

please try to think outside of the box for once. yes, studies do show that one or two drinks a day are good for health, but did you ever stop and think why this is so? And just for the record, it's not alcohol that is beneficial, it's wine.

And the reason wine is beneficial is because of the grape extract found in it. So if eat grapes then you will get the same benefit. You will not get the same benefit from drinkin a Corona or two a day I assure you.

This is one of the reasons the French are so healthy, they drink wine with every meal, they smoke thier asses off but don't get lung cancer. And I don't know if you have been to France or not, but you don't see alot of over weight people, even the old dudes are fit.

you can't say the same for american who liked to get retarded everyday after work.
please don't make shit up. thats just disgraceful.

http://alcoholism.about.com/od/health/a/blacer051015.htm

it is the alcohol and grape extracts my ass.

"The contrasting effects of alcohol are similar to the effects of blood thinners like aspirin, which clearly prevent heart attacks but at the expense of some additional bleeding strokes," said Kenneth J.



"Mukamal, an internist at Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center and corresponding author for the study. "Acting as a blood thinner makes sense, because heart attacks are caused by blood clots that form in clogged arteries, and blood thinners can hasten bleeding from injured arteries. Based on these findings, we speculated that moderate drinking would also act as a blood thinner.""

[Cyber Molvi]

please don't make shit up. thats just disgraceful.

http://alcoholism.about.com/od/health/a/blacer051015.htm

it is the alcohol and grape extracts my ass.

LOL about.com, a website dedicated to the research of the blood thinning effects of alcohol.

i suggest you pick up a book called "The French Paradox"

the author's name escapes me at the moment but im sure you have enough google skills to find it since you used the first website that comes up when you type "alcohol blood thinner"

i would think my posts would require more than 4 seconds of research, don't you?

[kaseem]

Bone protection, Lower risk for cardiovascular disease, Better heart attack survival, Improved cholesterol levels, Antioxidant effect

you cant get the above by eating a flammin grape look i know it against our religon to not drink but dont try an force opinons down people throat by trying to proove that its not benifical to drink n moderate amounts

if you are still think im wrong go and research some medical journals which are peer reviewd and clincialy tested then come back

[shadab]

LOL about.com, a website dedicated to the research of the blood thinning effects of alcohol.

i suggest you pick up a book called "The French Paradox"

the author's name escapes me at the moment but im sure you have enough google skills to find it since you used the first website that comes up when you type "alcohol blood thinner"

i would think my posts would require more than 4 seconds of research, don't you?
if you knew anything about the internet, you would know that about.com doesn't actually do any research on its own. it simply lists the most popular topics and studies and responses based on the topic. also considering that one of the co authors of the study is an internist at beth israel (one of the premier research hospitals, but ofcourse you knew that already), i put more weight into the study than an idiotic book written to make money.

[shadab]

Bone protection, Lower risk for cardiovascular disease, Better heart attack survival, Improved cholesterol levels, Antioxidant effect

you cant get the above by eating a flammin grape look i know it against our religon to not drink but dont try an force opinons down people throat by trying to proove that its not benifical to drink n moderate amounts

if you are still think im wrong go and research some medical journals which are peer reviewd and clincialy tested then come back
thank you.

[Zippy Zoolander]

Bone protection, Lower risk for cardiovascular disease, Better heart attack survival, Improved cholesterol levels, Antioxidant effect

you cant get the above by eating a flammin grape look i know it against our religon to not drink but dont try an force opinons down people throat by trying to proove that its not benifical to drink n moderate amounts

if you are still think im wrong go and research some medical journals which are peer reviewd and clincialy tested then come back

:werd:

[ispeakadatruth!!]

blah, i dont like drinking but i have no problem with other ppl drinking...live and let live...or is it..mind your own business??. :sarb:

[addiction01]

It's an outlet. It goes in and the pain goes out, be it temporary or not.

[Zippy Zoolander]

Ok tell me guys, what do you get out of drinking?

I mean, we all know the negative effects of alcohol, but most people still do it, even muslims, and I can't figure out why.

I mean why do you drink something that destroy's your liver, makes you act like a dumbass, kills your braincells, and gives you bad breath.

I mean aren't we suppose to improve and better ourselves, isn't that what life is about?

Yet on a weekly basis people indulge in something that just makes them stupider and stupider with every sip.

Please enlighten me.

why is it that you need to understand? if you dont drink, then don't, but fukkoff and stop being nosey into other peoples lives, each to their own .............if people are old enough to drink they are old enough to know whether its acceptable in their culture or their religion and they actively make their own choices and take responibilities of their own actions. not for nobodies like you to question or judge them

[shadab]

It's an outlet. It goes in and the pain goes out, be it temporary or not.
depends on your mindset. if you're depressed before you'll be even more depressed after drinking.

[shadab]

why is it that you need to understand? if you dont drink, then don't, but fukkoff and stop being nosey into other peoples lives, each to their own .............if people are old enough to drink they are old enough to know whether its acceptable in their culture or their religion and they actively make their own choices and take responibilities of their own actions. not for nobodies like you to question or judge them
cyber's gettin raped today.

[Zippy Zoolander]

cyber's gettin raped today.

and so he should for being a nosey judgemental wannabe disciple

[addiction01]

depends on your mindset. if you're depressed before you'll be even more depressed after drinking.
You're right. But for some people...alcohol is a breather from depression. It's sort of like drinkin youself into oblivion, which means you're in a state where you can barely remember your name let alone your depression.

[Cyber Molvi]

if you knew anything about the internet, you would know that about.com doesn't actually do any research on its own. it simply lists the most popular topics and studies and responses based on the topic. also considering that one of the co authors of the study is an internist at beth israel (one of the premier research hospitals, but ofcourse you knew that already), i put more weight into the study than an idiotic book written to make money.

ok shadab, let's say for the sake of argument you are correct. you believe that drinking alcohol in small amounts is beneficial.

You being a muslim, should know that there are hundreds of things out there that are 100x more beneficial that any alchololic beverage can do for you.

but then again, let's just say that you are ignorant to these things, and you decide to drink for whatever reason, let's assume that its for the benefical purposes since that was your argument against me.

Now I know for a fact you dont' think alcohol is halaal, so in that respect it is harming your soul.

anything that harms your soul will eventually harm your health, so there goes your argument out the door.

I guess you didn't take the religious aspects into consideration, but i don't you blame you though, as I could tell from your previous posts you were not taking this topic seriously.

[Cyber Molvi]

why is it that you need to understand? if you dont drink, then don't, but fukkoff and stop being nosey into other peoples lives, each to their own .............if people are old enough to drink they are old enough to know whether its acceptable in their culture or their religion and they actively make their own choices and take responibilities of their own actions. not for nobodies like you to question or judge them

Zoolander, this type of response doesn't merit my time.

if you want to defend an action which is both harmful to society and the individual, them more "power" to you, you'll need it.

[shadab]

ok shadab, let's say for the sake of argument you are correct. you believe that drinking alcohol in small amounts is beneficial.

You being a muslim, should know that there are hundreds of things out there that are 100x more beneficial that any alchololic beverage can do for you.

but then again, let's just say that you are ignorant to these things, and you decide to drink for whatever reason, let's assume that its for the benefical purposes since that was your argument against me.

Now I know for a fact you dont' think alcohol is halaal, so in that respect it is harming your soul.

anything that harms your soul will eventually harm your health, so there goes your argument out the door.

I guess you didn't take the religious aspects into consideration, but i don't you blame you though, as I could tell from your previous posts you were not taking this topic seriously.
as i mentioned already, i know i shouldnt' drink. also as stated previously, i said the main reason to drink was to have a good time. the health aspect was just to show you that its not as bad as you make it out to be.

as for your judgement of my soul, something makes me think you are judging for the sake of judging rather than because you actually care for my soul. and in such a circumstance i would kindly have to ask you to mind your own business.

[reaz]

shit, you guys are pretty dumb for discussing medical issues which are beyond your grasp.. what's with the alcohol/aspirin/grape extract debate..


aspirin thins your blood. is it healthy for you? not unless your blood needs thinning.

alcohol does the same. is it healthy for you? same reasoning as above.

taking aspirin to thin your blood unless prescribed by a licensed physician is probably not a smart thing to do. Aspirin is used a pain killer and that's what it should be used for. Other uses should be prescribed by a licensed doctor. any other use is your responsibility..

like wise, drinking alcohol to achieve the same effects as aspirin is VERY retarded. just because alcohol mimics some qualities of aspirin is not good enough reason to consume it. if you drink it should be for recreational uses.. no doctor recommends alcohol as prescription for heart disease.. any other use is your responsibility..

people should not be consuming alcohol thinking "oh my, i am doing my body good". they are fooling themselves. they should be consuming alcohol thinking "damn, this feels good!".

as for my personal opinion on drinking, I dont drink or do anything that causes harm to my body. besides that stuff is somewhat detrimental to my workout regimen.

[BMW-racer]

consuming alcohol is dumb.
arrive alive, don't drink and drive.

[Cyber Molvi]

as i mentioned already, i know i shouldnt' drink. also as stated previously, i said the main reason to drink was to have a good time. the health aspect was just to show you that its not as bad as you make it out to be.

as for your judgement of my soul, something makes me think you are judging for the sake of judging rather than because you actually care for my soul. and in such a circumstance i would kindly have to ask you to mind your own business.

please continue to have a good time and continue to harm your soul and health in the process.

you are indeed a very wise individual.

[reaz]

here's a question..

did you know that the processed sugars in coca cola spikes your insulin so high.. that if you make a habit of it your body becomes insulin resistant and you develop type 2 diabetes..


why do people drink such beverages? I dont get it. do you, Cyber Molvi?

[Seeeeeeema]

you are dum.. what do you know about alcohol! :rolleyes:

[Cyber Molvi]

shit, you guys are pretty dumb for discussing medical issues which are beyond your grasp.. what's with the alcohol/aspirin/grape extract debate..


aspirin thins your blood. is it healthy for you? not unless your blood needs thinning.

alcohol does the same. is it healthy for you? same reasoning as above.

taking aspirin to thin your blood unless prescribed by a licensed physician is probably not a smart thing to do. Aspirin is used a pain killer and that's what it should be used for. Other uses should be prescribed by a licensed doctor. any other use is your responsibility..

like wise, drinking alcohol to achieve the same effects as aspirin is VERY retarded. just because alcohol mimics some qualities of aspirin is not good enough reason to consume it. if you drink it should be for recreational uses.. no doctor recommends alcohol as prescription for heart disease.. any other use is your responsibility..

people should not be consuming alcohol thinking "oh my, i am doing my body good". they are fooling themselves. they should be consuming alcohol thinking "damn, this feels good!".

as for my personal opinion on drinking, I dont drink or do anything that causes harm to my body. besides that stuff is somewhat detrimental to my workout regimen.

interesting twist on the debate, but beneficial nonetheless.

i sure hope you did not lump me in the "dumb" category as I have spoken with you before under a different moniker

[Zippy Zoolander]

Zoolander, this type of response doesn't merit my time.

if you want to defend an action which is both harmful to society and the individual, them more "power" to you, you'll need it.

not defending it cybersex molvi, each to their own, both muslims and non-muslims are aware of its impact and its consequences on individuals and society

[Cyber Molvi]

here's a question..

did you know that the processed sugars in coca cola spikes your insulin so high.. that if you make a habit of it your body becomes insulin resistant and you develop type 2 diabetes..


why do people drink such beverages? I dont get it. do you, Cyber Molvi?

I am well aware of this Reaz. I am glad you pointed out such a parallel.

[shadab]

shit, you guys are pretty dumb for discussing medical issues which are beyond your grasp.. what's with the alcohol/aspirin/grape extract debate..


aspirin thins your blood. is it healthy for you? not unless your blood needs thinning.

alcohol does the same. is it healthy for you? same reasoning as above.

taking aspirin to thin your blood unless prescribed by a licensed physician is probably not a smart thing to do. Aspirin is used a pain killer and that's what it should be used for. Other uses should be prescribed by a licensed doctor. any other use is your responsibility..

like wise, drinking alcohol to achieve the same effects as aspirin is VERY retarded. just because alcohol mimics some qualities of aspirin is not good enough reason to consume it. if you drink it should be for recreational uses.. no doctor recommends alcohol as prescription for heart disease.. any other use is your responsibility..

people should not be consuming alcohol thinking "oh my, i am doing my body good". they are fooling themselves. they should be consuming alcohol thinking "damn, this feels good!".

as for my personal opinion on drinking, I dont drink or do anything that causes harm to my body. besides that stuff is somewhat detrimental to my workout regimen.
actually you dont' need a prescription or a doctor's recommendation for aspirin. it is even recommended that certain people take aspirin daily w/o the recommendation of a doctor because it is a relatively mild drug which is very beneficial especially to older and heavier people. as for alcohol, i hardly believe that anyone drinks alcohol for the health benefit, but that doesn't retard the fact that those benefits exist for moderate drinkers.

[Cyber Molvi]

not defending it cybersex molvi, each to their own, both muslims and non-muslims are aware of its impact and its consequences on individuals and society

so then it is very dangerous to say "to each thier own"

[shadab]

please continue to have a good time and continue to harm your soul and health in the process.

you are indeed a very wise individual.
my intelligence or wisdom are hardly anything that you have the right or ability to comment upon.

[reaz]

interesting twist on the debate, but beneficial nonetheless.

i sure hope you did not lump me in the "dumb" category as I have spoken with you before under a different moniker


I dont care for who I categorise as dumb. if i find a post retarded I'll say it.. and i expect anyone to do the same with dumb posts of mine.

[Cyber Molvi]

actually you dont' need a prescription or a doctor's recommendation for aspirin. it is even recommended that certain people take aspirin daily w/o the recommendation of a doctor because it is a relatively mild drug which is very beneficial especially to older and heavier people. as for alcohol, i hardly believe that anyone drinks alcohol for the health benefit, but that doesn't retard the fact that those benefits exist for moderate drinkers.

are you a spokes person for the FDA ?

asprin is a DRUG

there aren't any DRUGS that are beneficial

[shadab]

here's a question..

did you know that the processed sugars in coca cola spikes your insulin so high.. that if you make a habit of it your body becomes insulin resistant and you develop type 2 diabetes..


why do people drink such beverages? I dont get it. do you, Cyber Molvi?
i drink way too much coke, i think i need to stop.

[Zippy Zoolander]

so then it is very dangerous to say "to each thier own"

i think you need a drink chap, chill out man :p

[shadab]

are you a spokes person for the FDA ?

asprin is a DRUG

there aren't any DRUGS that are beneficial
i don't know how to argue against idiocy.

[reaz]

actually you dont' need a prescription or a doctor's recommendation for aspirin. it is even recommended that certain people take aspirin daily w/o the recommendation of a doctor because it is a relatively mild drug which is very beneficial especially to older and heavier people. as for alcohol, i hardly believe that anyone drinks alcohol for the health benefit, but that doesn't retard the fact that those benefits exist for moderate drinkers.

i know very well you dont need a doctor's prescription. it's an over the counter drug. however, a doctor's recommendation is good because aspirin has side effects. the difference between alcohol and aspirin is that the side effects of alcohol outweigh the benefits.

i think you'd do a better job of thinning the blood with essential fatty acids.. it's safer and cleaner..

[Cyber Molvi]

I dont care for who I categorise as dumb. if i find a post retarded I'll say it.. and i expect anyone to do the same with dumb posts of mine.

I illustrated on that because our posts were similiar in what we were trying to say, although we used different methods to convey our opinion

[Cyber Molvi]

i know very well you dont need a doctor's prescription. it's an over the counter drug. however, a doctor's recommendation is good because aspirin has side effects. the difference between alcohol and aspirin is that the side effects of alcohol outweigh the benefits.

i think you'd do a better job of thinning the blood with essential fatty acids.. it's safer and cleaner..

or safi for that matter....

[Cyber Molvi]

i don't know how to argue against idiocy.

you're the one taking drugs lol

that would categorize you as an idiot

LMAO

[reaz]

i drink way too much coke, i think i need to stop.


yea. I don't do carbonated beverages at all.

They are of no real value to the body. Either full of sugars or full of artificial sweetners.

[Cyber Molvi]

i think you need a drink chap, chill out man :p

as you are from England would you be able to hook me up with a spot of tea?

:wavey:

[shadab]

i know very well you dont need a doctor's prescription. it's an over the counter drug. however, a doctor's recommendation is good because aspirin has side effects. the difference between alcohol and aspirin is that the side effects of alcohol outweigh the benefits.

i think you'd do a better job of thinning the blood with essential fatty acids.. it's safer and cleaner..
depends on the level of consumption

[Amberosia]

i think you need a drink chap, chill out man :pI think he's right. From what I know and that's not much- alcohol just helps you "lose your inhibitions"...but, arent your inhibitions the reason you are you in the frst place? So, essentially you have to fuck up your mind enough to forget yourself to have a good time?

Whoah. Talk bout leading a sad existance.

[kwitcherbitchin]

are you a spokes person for the FDA ?

asprin is a DRUG

there aren't any DRUGS that are beneficial

actually since aspirin thins out your blood it has been proven to help if you have a heart attack due to a clogged artery.

[shadab]

yea. I don't do carbonated beverages at all.

They are of no real value to the body. Either full of sugars or full of artificial sweetners.
but coke tastes oh so good

[Cyber Molvi]

I think he's right. From what I know and that's not much- alcohol just helps you "lose your inhibitions"...but, arent your inhibitions the reason you are you in the frst place? So, essentially you have to fuck up your mind enough to forget yourself to have a good time?

Whoah. Talk bout leading a sad existance.

thank you Amber. I didn't think you would agree with me on this one as you have violenty disagreed with me in the past, but it's a healthy change I welcome.

[Cyber Molvi]

actually since aspirin thins out your blood it has been proven to help if you have a heart attack due to a clogged artery.

but it has side effects, why not take something natural that doesnt have side effects and is just as effective ?

[kwitcherbitchin]

but it has side effects, why not take something natural that doesnt have side effects and is just as effective ?

is there such a substance? :sarb:

[reaz]

depends on the level of consumption

same goes for anything out there. however, it's no science mystery the havoc alcohol does to the liver. heck, paracetamol is a drug which does good as a pain killer and what not. but at the end of the day it is an alcohol and taxes that liver quite a bit which is why you are asked not to overdose. =/

I am not refuting that alcohol does not have any benefits.. it does.. as I showed you with a simple OTC drug.. however, alcohol as a recreational drink has no real benefit and does harm to the body just like a can of soda.. one drink taxes the liver and the other taxes the pancreas..

[shadab]

i think everyone will agree that the type of drinking that cyber was describing (binge drinking, getting drunk every weekend) is bad for you. if you have one or two drinks a day, it would be good for you. anything in excess is bad for you.

[Amberosia]

thank you Amber. I didn't think you would agree with me on this one as you have violenty disagreed with me in the past, but it's a healthy change I welcome.are you afghan_zamaraii?

I don't remember violently disagreeing with anyone let alone you on this site. There are somethings I find beyond disgusting- drinking and smoking are definitely one of them...

...I mean, it may make me a hypocrite in a sense, but Muslims who drink or eat non-Halal are just gross to me...I guess over time you grow up and form your own sense of right/wrong and those two things are very wrong, in my opinion.

[Cyber Molvi]

i think everyone will agree that the type of drinking that cyber was describing (binge drinking, getting drunk every weekend) is bad for you. if you have one or two drinks a day, it would be good for you. anything in excess is bad for you.

nice try but no, and this is even more shameful coming from a muslim.

[shadab]

same goes for anything out there. however, it's no science mystery the havoc alcohol does to the liver. heck, paracetamol is a drug which does good as a pain killer and what not. but at the end of the day it is an alcohol and taxes that liver quite a bit which is why you are asked not to overdose. =/

I am not refuting that alcohol does not have any benefits.. it does.. as I showed you with a simple OTC drug.. however, alcohol as a recreational drink has no real benefit and does harm to the body just like a can of soda.. one drink taxes the liver and the other taxes the pancreas..
i think the one drink a day wouldn't actually tax your liver. its when you over load your system with alcohol that your liver has a hard time compensating and thus has to store the alcohol which causes harm.

[reaz]

but coke tastes oh so good

fuck that. I look so damn good nowadays. I dont think I would trade that.

[Cyber Molvi]

are you afghan_zamaraii?

I don't remember violently disagreeing with anyone let alone you on this site. There are somethings I find beyond disgusting- drinking and smoking are definitely one of them...

...I mean, it may make me a hypocrite in a sense, but Muslims who drink or eat non-Halal are just gross to me...I guess over time you grow up and form your own sense of right/wrong and those two things are very wrong, in my opinion.

I agree Amber, but no I am not Afgan_Zamaraii, although I am a fan of his posts.

He is a little biased in his opinions, but intelligent nonetheless.

[Zippy Zoolander]

as you are from England would you be able to hook me up with a spot of tea?

:wavey:


why certainly my dear friend, i'l put the kettle on and make us a brew

[shadab]

nice try but no, and this is even more shameful coming from a muslim.
being a muslim has nothing to do with recognizing the beneficial effects of alcohol. like i already told you, i know muslims shouldn't drink. you keep harping on me being muslim because you have nothing substantial to argue with.

[Cyber Molvi]

i think the one drink a day wouldn't actually tax your liver. its when you over load your system with alcohol that your liver has a hard time compensating and thus has to store the alcohol which causes harm.

it would tax your soul

[Amberosia]

See, I don't agree with calling people bad muslims or w/e. Everyone has to find their own path..their own way...it's ok to let them know what's right or wrong but criticizing them or insulting them is useless.

I mean, if nothing else you can always go pray for the person to become a better muslim...berating them for their sins is not our job.

Enjoin the right, forbid the wrong - NOT "point out other's faults"

[Cyber Molvi]

being a muslim has nothing to do with recognizing the beneficial effects of alcohol. like i already told you, i know muslims shouldn't drink. you keep harping on me being muslim because you have nothing substantial to argue with.

moron, as a muslim you MUST believe that there are no beneifts to alcholol.

alcohol is haraam, and anything that is haraam has no benefits.

1+1=2

[Amberosia]

I agree Amber, but no I am not Afgan_Zamaraii, although I am a fan of his posts.

He is a little biased in his opinions, but intelligent nonetheless.he's a little cuckoo cuckoooo cuckooo.

I mean, Hitler was intelligent too.

[Cyber Molvi]

See, I don't agree with calling people bad muslims or w/e. Everyone has to find their own path..their own way...it's ok to let them know what's right or wrong but criticizing them or insulting them is useless.

I mean, if nothing else you can always go pray for the person to become a better muslim...berating them for their sins is not our job.

Enjoin the right, forbid the wrong - NOT "point out other's faults"

if shadabs reasoning was making sense i wouldn't be berating him

he is saying that something that is haraam has benefits, which i find a problem with

[reaz]

i think the one drink a day wouldn't actually tax your liver. its when you over load your system with alcohol that your liver has a hard time compensating and thus has to store the alcohol which causes harm.


:neutral:

our body does not have the natural processes to digest alcohol. Any alcohol taxes the liver. Whether it's a single tablet of paracetamol or a single sip of alcohol. alcohol is detoxified in the liver..

btw, i should have linked this earlier on.

http://forums.ratedesi.com/showthread.php?t=132819&highlight=aspirin

aspirin is used on body building often.. i myself haven't used it simply because i chose to cut without a stack (in hindsight i probably should have)..

[Cyber Molvi]

he's a little cuckoo cuckoooo cuckooo.

I mean, Hitler was intelligent too.

Hitler was very intelligent. i guess theres a thin line between being crazy and intelligent.

but make no mistake Amber, we have crossed paths in the past.

you will know but true identity one day.

[Cyber Molvi]

:neutral:

our body does not have the natural processes to digest alcohol. Any alcohol taxes the liver. Whether it's a single tablet of paracetamol or a single sip of alcohol. alcohol is detoxified in the liver..

btw, i should have linked this earlier on.

http://forums.ratedesi.com/showthread.php?t=132819&highlight=aspirin

aspirin is used on body building often.. i myself haven't used it simply because i chose to cut without a stack (in hindsight i probably should have)..

I hope you are staying away from the creatin reaz

[reaz]

moron, as a muslim you MUST believe that there are no beneifts to alcholol.

alcohol is haraam, and anything that is haraam has no benefits.

1+1=2

actually you're wrong in that aspect.

alcohol is a great delivery system for medicine. for medical purposes alcohol is not haram. =/

[shadab]

moron, as a muslim you MUST believe that there are no beneifts to alcholol.

alcohol is haraam, and anything that is haraam has no benefits.

1+1=2
the reason alcohol is haram is because its ill effects far outweigh its beneficial ones. thats not to say there are no beneficial effects for a person who knows how to control themselves.

according to traditional belief, even letting a woman out of the house without covering is haram and forget about her actually going to school and being educated. are you saying that there are no benefits to that as well?

[Cyber Molvi]

actually you're wrong in that aspect.

alcohol is a great delivery system for medicine. for medical purposes alcohol is not haram. =/

i disagree

now you are venturing in the dangerous territory saying "I can smoke pot because i have glaucoma or becuase i have trouble with my appetite"

[Amberosia]

if shadabs reasoning was making sense i wouldn't be berating him

he is saying that something that is haraam has benefits, which i find a problem with
I am not talking about him or his reasoning.

A sin is a sin no matter how you chose to justify it...rationalize it.

What I'm saying is...you cannot argue with someone by insulting their relationship with God. I think it's really low to call someone a bad muslim...no one has the right to judge other's based on their actions. We're not all knowing.

Innamal amanat-oh- Binnayat -Surah Imraan

[Cyber Molvi]

the reason alcohol is haram is because its ill effects far outweigh its beneficial ones. thats not to say there are no beneficial effects for a person who knows how to control themselves.

according to traditional belief, even letting a woman out of the house without covering is haram and forget about her actually going to school and being educated. are you saying that there are no benefits to that as well?

there is no beef with having women educated.

knowledge is power, son. that is stressed time and time again in the Q'uran.

and I'll make a bold statment here, the word "hijab" is not mentioned in the Q'uran, it only says to dress modestly.

[reaz]

I hope you are staying away from the creatin reaz

no. I use creatine. anyway.. back on topic.. alcohol is just a recreational drink.. just like weed is a recreational substance..


both can be used for medicinal purposes.. but honestly, it's for people who actually have medical conditions.. any other use is recreational..

shadab, aspirin has side effects.. only when ppl have a high blood pressure issue, are they recommended to take aspirin on a daily basis.. taking aspirin on a daily basis if you have a normal bp is bad.. it burns away the lining of your stomach causing ulcers etc.

[BMW-racer]

shadab - why are you even attempting to defend something you'd never win?
you simply cannot defend smoking or alcohol, no matter what your weed doctor says.

[Amberosia]

Hitler was very intelligent. i guess theres a thin line between being crazy and intelligent.

but make no mistake Amber, we have crossed paths in the past.

you will know but true identity one day.Can you just PM me your true identity so I can stop agreeing with you!?!

Are you Mr. Photographer?

[lateforwork]

It is a great way to let go of your inhabitions.

[Cyber Molvi]

I am not talking about him or his reasoning.

A sin is a sin no matter how you chose to justify it...rationalize it.

What I'm saying is...you cannot argue with someone by insulting their relationship with God. I think it's really low to call someone a bad muslim...no one has the right to judge other's based on their actions. We're not all knowing.

Innamal amanat-oh- Binnayat -Surah Imraan

when u try to justify haraam actions with false medical benefical effects i have to say something, it is my duty as a movli.

[Zippy Zoolander]

I think he's right. From what I know and that's not much- alcohol just helps you "lose your inhibitions"...but, arent your inhibitions the reason you are you in the frst place? So, essentially you have to fuck up your mind enough to forget yourself to have a good time?

Whoah. Talk bout leading a sad existance.

although what your saying in effect is true, its not the whole picture, people drink for their own indiviual reasons .............personally i believe escapism is one of the main ones and its not always as shallow a reason as wanting to get legless and have a good time...........im not saying whether alcohol is the correct answer or not, but i know that drinking allows one to "let go" a little and if people decide thats whats right for them, as long as they are responsible they should be allowed to go ahead and do it and its for absolutely no-one to judge ..............as far as the religious implications go, muslims are not allowed to drink at all and they have been warned of very hash punishment in the after life if they do it .................and as i said earlier, if sum1 is old enough to drink they are old enough to know their religious standing and know of the punishments that are associated with it .....................islam allows free will to all, therefore everyone is allowed to make their own decisions in life and it is for no-one to judge them except God alone

[reaz]

i disagree

now you are venturing in the dangerous territory saying "I can smoke pot because i have glaucoma or becuase i have trouble with my appetite"


no. I am saying that if a doctor prescribes a medicine that uses alcohol to thin my blood, I'll do it.

I am not making the decisions here. I am not drinking it for recreational purposes... It's all about the intentions..

[Cyber Molvi]

no. I use creatine. anyway.. back on topic.. alcohol is just a recreational drink.. just like weed is a recreational substance..


both can be used for medicinal purposes.. but honestly, it's for people who actually have medical conditions.. any other use is recreational..

shadab, aspirin has side effects.. only when ppl have a high blood pressure issue, are they recommended to take aspirin on a daily basis.. taking aspirin on a daily basis if you have a normal bp is bad.. it burns away the lining of your stomach causing ulcers etc.

please do not discredit the religious repricussions, and i am saying this becuase there are hundreds of things in the Quran which are way more benefical to us than weed or alcohol

[Amberosia]

there is no beef with having women educated.

knowledge is power, son. that is stressed time and time again in the Q'uran.

and I'll make a bold statment here, the word "hijab" is not mentioned in the Q'uran, it only says to dress modestly.
i think i love you.

[Zippy Zoolander]

I am not talking about him or his reasoning.

A sin is a sin no matter how you chose to justify it...rationalize it.

What I'm saying is...you cannot argue with someone by insulting their relationship with God. I think it's really low to call someone a bad muslim...no one has the right to judge other's based on their actions. We're not all knowing.

Innamal amanat-oh- Binnayat -Surah Imraan


the most sensible post ive read in the ratedesi forums to date

[reaz]

please do not discredit the religious repricussions


according to islam it's ok to consume medicines using alcohol.

when was the last time you took benadryl? or paracetamol.

fyi most medicines have alcohol as the primary transport.. intoxication for fun is what islam prohibits.. but when it's a matter of medicine it's ok.. as long as you dont get addicted to the medicine..

but remember, it's real medicine.. not a drink drunk under the pretence of medicine..

ps: you should not be judging other muslims.. either you inform them of what YOU think is right and the rest is between them and Allah.

[Cyber Molvi]

i think i love you.

you've actually told me that before.

PM me, we will talk.

[jardras]

Before the advent of sanitary running water alot of people had to drink alcohol constantly, they salted their foods and then got thirsty so they drank, and then drinking made them thirsty etc etc. Plus it was cheap.

This was mainly in Europe/Americas I'd imagine, not sure about the rest of the world.

[shadab]

shadab - why are you even attempting to defend something you'd never win?
you simply cannot defend smoking or alcohol, no matter what your weed doctor says.
there is no winning or losing. drinking is bad for your health, thats obvious, but people still do it. you can say they are stupid, or maybe they realize its bad but still value the benefit of having a good time with their friends above health risks. thats what life is. its a set of decisions to maximize our utility or happiness.

[Cyber Molvi]

according to islam it's ok to consume medicines using alcohol.

when was the last time you took benadryl? or paracetamol.

fyi most medicines have alcohol as the primary transport.. intoxication for fun is what islam prohibits.. but when it's a matter of medicine it's ok.. as long as you dont get addicted to the medicine..

but remember, it's real medicine.. not a drink drunk under the pretence of medicine..

ps: you should not be judging other muslims.. either you inform them of what YOU think is right and the rest is between them and Allah.

i try to stay away from medcines all toghther. I take herbs that have super healing powers.

I also take the black seed, which our prophet (pbuh) has stated has a cure for everything except death.

i also take some other mixtures of herbs and honey.

the point i am trying to make is that ppl always are trying to justify their actions but they don't realize that there are alternate ways of healing yourself, so they shouldn't be doing that in the first place.

[Amberosia]

please do not discredit the religious repricussions, and i am saying this becuase there are hundreds of things in the Quran which are way more benefical to us than weed or alcohol

repurcussions.

and actually, i was watching a religious speech on television where they actually said it was haraam to get heart surgery!?!

so, essentially it's all open to intrepretation...

in the time of the Prophet[sm] people did drink- before it became haraam. I've heard that it was only made haraam because peopel would come to prayers drunk....hence, drinking isn't haraam....only getting drunk is.

but, i've also read that you may not even tend to an alcoholic who's sick, you may not even share a meal with them...

[Cyber Molvi]

there is no winning or losing. drinking is bad for your health, thats obvious, but people still do it. you can say they are stupid, or maybe they realize its bad but still value the benefit of having a good time with their friends above health risks. thats what life is. its a set of decisions to maximize our utility or happiness.

i guess the value of having a good time here also outweighs the pain of hell fire.

[reaz]

Yea. I think I've made clear my stance on this topic. I don't get paid to argue here. So later.

[Cyber Molvi]

repurcussions.

and actually, i was watching a religious speech on television where they actually said it was haraam to get heart surgery!?!

so, essentially it's all open to intrepretation...

in the time of the Prophet[sm] people did drink- before it became haraam. I've heard that it was only made haraam because peopel would come to prayers drunk....hence, drinking isn't haraam....only getting drunk is.

but, i've also read that you may not even tend to an alcoholic who's sick, you may not even share a meal with them...

this is true.

[BigCrazyIndian]

I never understood or will understand why people come to a desi rating site to preach religion.

[fireangel2007]

I don't get it either i think smoking and drinking is latent self-suicide, its like when you're kids get older you're putting them through the hell of taking care of your sick ass when you could've been healthier and self-sufficient....i dunno i grew up around my dad's drinking and smoking and I know that if he hadn't done all that we wouldn't be here worrying how much medication he had, check ups, hospital visits, and worst the emotional burden, i just think its rude to do all that but people have different ways of dealing with conformation and stress....

[Cyber Molvi]

I never understood or will understand why people come to a desi rating site to preach religion.

look deep within your soul and you will find the answer

[shadab]

there is no beef with having women educated.

knowledge is power, son. that is stressed time and time again in the Q'uran.

and I'll make a bold statment here, the word "hijab" is not mentioned in the Q'uran, it only says to dress modestly.
you take two different things 1. knowledge is power and 2.there is no beef with having women educated. one is mentioned in the quaran, the second is not.

your main point was to ask why people drink. i explained it to you. now you felt the need to berate me for my explanation. could i go off on a rant about you being an intolerant extremist? ofcourse i could. but i don't. do you know why? because i already told you that you were right about muslims should not drink. why you chose to continue this even after i said that to you from my first posts is beyond me.

[T.Dimera]

i know guys that drink because it gives them confidence..i.e. if their in a club..they need to drink so they feel relaxed so they can approach girls...its a drug

[Cyber Molvi]

I don't get it either i think smoking and drinking is latent self-suicide, its like when you're kids get older you're putting them through the hell of taking care of your sick ass when you could've been healthier and self-sufficient....i dunno i grew up around my dad's drinking and smoking and I know that if he hadn't done all that we wouldn't be here worrying how much medication he had, check ups, hospital visits, and worst the emotional burden, i just think its rude to do all that but people have different ways of dealing with conformation and stress....

according to shadab this is ok since he was having a good time.

[fireangel2007]

according to shadab this is ok since he was having a good time.huh?

[Cyber Molvi]

you take two different things 1. knowledge is power and 2.there is no beef with having women educated. one is mentioned in the quaran, the second is not.

your main point was to ask why people drink. i explained it to you. now you felt the need to berate me for my explanation. could i go off on a rant about you being an intolerant extremist? ofcourse i could. but i don't. do you know why? because i already told you that you were right about muslims should not drink. why you chose to continue this even after i said that to you from my first posts is beyond me.

because u said that as long as u are having fun it's ok to drink. and u won't admit that something that is haram can't be good for you health wise.

i am not an extremist, if i were i couldn't me a molvi

[Amberosia]

i know guys that drink because it gives them confidence..i.e. if their in a club..they need to drink so they feel relaxed so they can approach girls...its a drugbut most of those guys are ugly douche bags...

terrific. what girl doesnt want to get hit on/harassed by a loser-moron ranking of alcohol and psuedo-confidence...

[BigCrazyIndian]

look deep within your soul and you will find the answer

nope, not there.

guess I need to be more self-righteous. oh well.

[Cyber Molvi]

huh?

try reading back a few pages.

[Zippy Zoolander]

on a lighter note ..............alcohol is great for making ugly ratedesi girls look good, those pictures they post are so not what they look like in real life, takes a good few double vodkas with redbull to make em look even slightly attractive :p :p

[shadab]

because u said that as long as u are having fun it's ok to drink. and u won't admit that something that is haram can't be good for you health wise.

i am not an extremist, if i were i couldn't me a molvi
i never said it was ok to drink if its fun. i said people drink because it is fun. there are nuances in the english language that you still need to learn.

i've already said this, the reason alcohol was made haram was because its ill effects far outweighed its beneficial ones. that doesn't mean there are no beneficial effects to it.

[shadab]

on a lighter note ..............alcohol is great for making ugly ratedesi girls look good, those pictures they post are so not what they look like in real life, takes a good few double vodkas with redbull to make em look even slightly attractive :p :p
beer goggles. woo hoo

[Cyber Molvi]

i never said it was ok to drink if its fun. i said people drink because it is fun. there are nuances in the english language that you still need to learn.

i've already said this, the reason alcohol was made haram was because its ill effects far outweighed its beneficial ones. that doesn't mean there are no beneficial effects to it.

i disagree. but anyways have a nice day.

[Amberosia]

on a lighter note ..............alcohol is great for making ugly ratedesi girls look good, those pictures they post are so not what they look like in real life, takes a good few double vodkas with redbull to make em look even slightly attractive :p :pwhat happens the morning after?

[Cyber Molvi]

beer googles. woo hoo

i might get lynched for saying this but i really do like drinking red bull.

sorry reaz

[shadab]

i disagree. but anyways have a nice day.
see that wasn't so hard was it? its possible to have intelligent discourse without attacking each other isn't it?

[Cyber Molvi]

see that wasn't so hard was it? its possible to have intelligent discourse without attacking each other isn't it?

sorry i was in a bad mood

[Zippy Zoolander]

beer goggles. woo hoo

yes, indeed

[BMW-racer]

there is no winning or losing. drinking is bad for your health, thats obvious, but people still do it. you can say they are stupid, or maybe they realize its bad but still value the benefit of having a good time with their friends above health risks. thats what life is. its a set of decisions to maximize our utility or happiness.
okay, well at least you admit that it is wrong.
recognizing the problem is the first step towards a resolution in any analytical problem approach.
now quit, biatch!

[shadab]

sorry i was in a bad mood
its all good

[Zippy Zoolander]

what happens the morning after?

depession kicks in and i end up looking like my avatar again

[Zippy Zoolander]

i might get lynched for saying this but i really do like drinking red bull.

sorry reaz


doesnt it give u wings?

[T.Dimera]

but most of those guys are ugly douche bags...

terrific. what girl doesnt want to get hit on/harassed by a loser-moron ranking of alcohol and psuedo-confidence...

they lack confidence, thus they over compensate to overcome their inhibitions...

why do females drink in social enviornments in your opinion?

[shadab]

okay, well at least you admit that it is wrong.
recognizing the problem is the first step towards a resolution in any analytical problem approach.
now quit, biatch!
who said i drink? maybe i'm just being the devil's advocate. maybe i quit already. maybe i'm just being nostalgic. life's weird like that

[Amberosia]

sorry i was in a bad mood
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahha haahhaha

:neutral:

[reaz]

btw, shadab, i had a feeling there was something wrong about what you said with regards to alcohol thinning blood and not the grapes..

i was always under the impression that flavonoids did the work .. flavonoids in red wine which comes from grapes..

http://healthlink.mcw.edu/article/880000034.html

http://www.diabetes.org/diabetes-cholesterol/faqs-redwine.jsp

I'll read your link a bit later..

[Cyber Molvi]

doesnt it give u wings?

thats why i like it!

i wanna fly away!!!

[Amberosia]

they lack confidence, thus they over compensate to overcome their inhibitions...

why do females drink in social enviornments in your opinion?so they can be whores and blame it on the alcohol....
"giggle, omg im so drunk...this totally makes it ok for me to suck of that guy in the bathroom...giggle"

[shadab]

btw, shadab, i had a feeling there was something wrong about what you said with regards to alcohol thinning blood and not the grapes..

i was always under the impression that flavonoids did the work .. flavonoids in red wine which comes from grapes..

http://healthlink.mcw.edu/article/880000034.html

http://www.diabetes.org/diabetes-cholesterol/faqs-redwine.jsp

I'll read your link a bit later..
go for it, i gotta go to class, maybe i'll read it if i'm bored in class or something.

[Amberosia]

depession kicks in and i end up looking like my avatar againthen you should get with fuglies all the time!

[Amberosia]

Call me Mrs. Molvi.


kthnxbye.

[BMW-racer]

who said i drink? maybe i'm just being the devil's advocate. maybe i quit already. maybe i'm just being nostalgic. life's weird like that
whoever said i said you should quit?
whoever said that i am even here?
perhaps, i am not even here, i am livin' in the realm of dreams where i direct my own destiny.
i've always figured that life is a chaotic sequence of random events, but after reading this i see that it is all part of a devine plan.
life's definitely weird like that.

[Zippy Zoolander]

then you should get with fuglies all the time!

ive been trying to get with you as it happens and ive seen your pictures, u sure as hell aint no fugly :Pelvic2:

[shadab]

whoever said i said you should quit?
whoever said that i am even here?
perhaps, i am not even here, i am livin' in the realm of dreams where i direct my own destiny.
i've always figured that life is a chaotic sequence of random events, but after reading this i see that it is all part of a devine plan.
life's definitely weird like that.
what if all that we see or seem
just a dream within a dream

[reaz]

go for it, i gotta go to class, maybe i'll read it if i'm bored in class or something.

http://alcoholism.about.com/cs/heal/a/aa020722a.htm

referenced in the article you sent me.

honestly, the benefits of alcohol severely outweigh the benefits.

[Zippy Zoolander]

thats why i like it!

i wanna fly away!!!


:D


anyways im out, i dont do mature conversations often, it hurts my head and makes we wanna have a drink, have a nice day dude ...........nice weather we got together hena ...........eventually

[shadab]

http://alcoholism.about.com/cs/heal/a/aa020722a.htm

referenced in the article you sent me.

honestly, the benefits of alcohol severely outweigh the benefits.
already admitted that on like page one. especially when you drink a lot or binge drink. maybe not so much for light drinkers. aka one drink a day or so

[Amberosia]

ive been trying to get with you as it happens and ive seen your pictures, u sure as hell aint no fugly :Pelvic2:
um thank you?

[Cyber Molvi]

so i was right all along huh

[Amberosia]

so i was right all along huhk i love u ttyl

[Cyber Molvi]

Clearly

come hug me :hug:

[Cyber Molvi]

k i love u ttyl

love is such a strong word

[Cyber Molvi]

Tsk. Haraaaam. :hsnono:

im glad you pointed that out and noticed my hypocracy

[nasal_kid]

yo girl next door, i have returned.

but yeah why people drink? it is because they want to have fun by being themselves.

[BMW-racer]

what if all that we see or seem
just a dream within a dream
multiple matricies.
word.

[Aurovon]

How many 'healthy' meals do you eat per day?
How much water do you consume per day?
Do you exercise?

I'd rather focus on this and go out drinking once a week. :drdodgy:

[Rizla]

lol, so people can't "be themselves" without consuming copious amounts of a stimulant-depressant?

i need copious amounts of Saru to keep me going. ;)

[nasal_kid]

lol, so people can't "be themselves" without consuming copious amounts of a stimulant-depressant?

nah, it is hard for them to be themselves especially if they lack the self esteem to do so. i dont drink often but when i drink, i have realised that my confidence turns into over confidence since i dont have any checks and balance on what i am doing. i am able to take risks that i wont be able to do without alcohol.

alcohol is not something that makes me myself. but it certainly makes me into something that i wish that i was.

[shadab]

How many 'healthy' meals do you eat per day?
How much water do you consume per day?
Do you exercise?

I'd rather focus on this and go out drinking once a week. :drdodgy:
i'm actually agreeing with auro. what a day.

[Cyber Molvi]

Those are two different things though. Water, food and physical activity are vital to your health - you need them to stay alive, and they're things you should be regulating.

Alcohol is just there. When the dangers outweigh the benefits, why damage your liver just so you have an excuse to lose your inhibitions for one night?

i like where your head is at.

[reaz]

already admitted that on like page one. especially when you drink a lot or binge drink. maybe not so much for light drinkers. aka one drink a day or so


small amounts increase the risks. that's what the article says. they included light drinkers in there as well.

[nasal_kid]

Alcohol as a replacement for self-esteem or as a substance to boost you to who you "wish you were" isn't really going to get you there.

And your checks and balances and your conscience serve a purpose. To rid yourself of them isn't exactly something positive.

why is that? everyone has a self esteem issue. dont tell me that you are completely content with yourself and never wish to do something that you are unable to do with a conscience.

alcohol rids yourself of that conscience and if you have nothing to hide, you will be fine and have fun at most.

the reason why several religions have banned the use of alcohol is because they know that men and women alike are animals and society keeps that inside. if you introduce alcohol in the mix, you will get people doing barbaric things.

[shadab]

small amounts increase the risks. that's what the article says. they included light drinkers in there as well.
k, i can understand that. still there are benefits and as i always admitted they are outweighed.

[Cyber Molvi]

the "Simpsons" make an interesting statement when Homer said, "To Alcohol, the cause of-and solution to all of life's problems."

[Rizla]

Where have you been! :D

Working, studying, getting stressed etc.

I had an interview at Barts and the London on Tuesday.

How are you?

[Cyber Molvi]

why is that? everyone has a self esteem issue. dont tell me that you are completely content with yourself and never wish to do something that you are unable to do with a conscience.

alcohol rids yourself of that conscience and if you have nothing to hide, you will be fine and have fun at most.

the reason why several religions have banned the use of alcohol is because they know that men and women alike are animals and society keeps that inside. if you introduce alcohol in the mix, you will get people doing barbaric things.

everyone has self-esteem issues yes. But blanketing them with alcholol is just kidding yourself into thinking you are actually overcoming them, it's false and fake and not attacking the root cause of your reason for lacking self esteem.

and no, I would never wanted to do anything without a conscious.

[Aurovon]

Those are two different things though. Water, food and physical activity are vital to your health - you need them to stay alive, and they're things you should be regulating.

Alcohol is just there. When the dangers outweigh the benefits, why damage your liver just so you have an excuse to lose your inhibitions for one night?

The food you buy have chemicals in them which can/do damage your health too. For example the dairy products have a specific chemical that have shown links to cancer. If you live in corporate America, you're risking your health even if you think you're living a healthy life style. You want to be damage free? Grow your own food in your backyard. I garuntee you the original poster is not a health nut and probably does not even exercise and yet he comes here and tells others to not drink alcohol, ha! :drdodgy:

[Cyber Molvi]

Of course they do - it's part of growing up, and it's part of life. Tough. Learn to deal with it. If the whole word suffers from self-esteem issues, shall we all live our lives in a state of perpetual drunkenness? It really isn't the solution to the problem. The solution is to work on yourself and accept your flaws but also realise your strengths. Self-esteem wavers on a day to day basis; the beauty those who appear confident is their solid self-acceptance.

You have a conscience for a reason. It's to protect yourself and those around you. By losing your conscience and your inhibitions, the risks you'll be taking won't just be limited to walking up to Hot Girl #12 and going "HEY baby how you doin'?" There are far worse repercussions that people so conveniently forget, until it's too late.

you are too smart for a girl.

please tell me you are really a guy.

[Aurovon]

I am glad there is junk food in the world. I am glad there are smokers. I am glad there is drugs. We don't want everyone to live upto 100 years old. :drdodgy:

[Rizla]

you are too smart for a girl.

please tell me you are really a guy.


shes a clever little bugger isnt she?

and guess what, shes absolutely stunning.

no imperfections, except that she drives a better car than me. :neutral:

[reaz]

The food you buy have chemicals in them which can/do damage your health too. For example the dairy products have a specific chemical that have shown links to cancer. If you live in corporate America, you're risking your health even if you think you're living a healthy life style. You want to be damage free? Grow your own food in your backyard. I garuntee you the original poster is not a health nut and probably does not even exercise and yet he comes here and tells others to not drink alcohol, ha! :drdodgy:


I am 100% sure the premise of this thread was not health related. It was to preach religion in an convoluted manner.

However, since it took a turn of events and health got involved, I decided to give my 2c.

as for your claim about chemicals in food.. and corporate america.. i have to say this..

"our nails will always keep growing. Does this mean we should stop cutting them?"

just because they mix chemicals does it mean that we should help them by putting more poison into our bodies?

[Cyber Molvi]

shes a clever little bugger isnt she?

and guess what, shes absolutely stunning.

no imperfections, except that she drives a better car than me. :neutral:

do you know her in real life :p

[Aurovon]

I am 100% sure the premise of this thread was not health related. It was to preach religion in an convoluted manner.

However, since it took a turn of events and health got involved, I decided to give my 2c.

as for your claim about chemicals in food.. and corporate america.. i have to say this..

"our nails will always keep growing. Does this mean we should stop cutting them?"

just because they mix chemicals does it mean that we should help them by putting more poison into our bodies?

No, you're right. :drdodgy:

[Rizla]

Damn, you really are my hero. Good luck homez! ; ) Is this med school interview # 428 or what??

I'm great. Finals just ended. :mrhappy:


Only my second one. But that doesnt really mean anything. If i dont get an offer and/or the grades - its all been pointless.

Finals ended? so early?? Im not finished until 22nd June..

[nasal_kid]

hahaha... it is not always about the opposite sex mates. dont use the whole club setting for drinking as an example because i hardly drink there as well. why? because the people that go to clubs are usually aiming for sexual gratification and alcohol promotes that.

the whole self esteem thing that i am talking about is- when you are with a group of friends... you always want to do something but worried about what your friends may think of you after you did that. alcohol gives you an excuse to do so... you can get away with close to anything by saying that you were under the influence of alcohol.

we are all animals and we should go back to that old days once in a while instead of totally exploding into radicals and never going back to civilization. think about that... relationships dont break cause of alcohol... relationships rust cause of people.

[Rizla]

do you know her in real life :p

I wish..

[goofy_phoofy]

I don't really care what the other posters do or do not do - if it's hypocrisy on their part, that's their own issue to deal with.

The chemical-laden food you eat really isn't your fault. It's what's available to you, and sometimes people don't have the financial freedom to buy organic all the time. Such is life. The world isn't perfect, but bloody hell we need our food. The least we could do is control what we can as opposed to justifying our bad habits on the basis of things which aren't really under our control.

This isn't an all-or-nothing situation. It doesn't have to be complete-health-nut vs. who-the-fuck-cares. Real life.

On that note, it's time for me to consume some chemically infested daal-chawal.

Ciao.

:love: i love it when ur angry :naughty: :p
oh may gaaaaaaaa , i totally miss ur bum :sniff:

[Cyber Molvi]

I wish..

me 2 :(

[nyc23]

I d rather drink my piss than drinking alcohol

[nasal_kid]

give me a reason why people follow religion?

[hindu_heat]

to alter my conciousness, alcohol in limited amounts is great stress relief.

[Aurovon]

Look at it this way, the average American lives upto 77 years of age. This average american probably does not have a healthy life style and they consume alcohol. The OP might be frustrated because he is an young adult, and what do young adults do? DRINK! Slowly as one gets older, the drinking will decrease. My point is if a person wants to have fun by drinking, and instead of living upto 87 years of age (just an example) rather live to 77 - then let it be. :drdodgy:

[Felonius Monk]

I drink because its tremendous fun (in the company of the right people).

:drdodgy:

[kaseem]

~O FUCKIN hell is 06 Molvi still here :no:

[Felonius Monk]

But pot > alcohol. :drdodgy:

[hindu_heat]

Look at it this way, the average American lives upto 77 years of age. This average american probably does not have a healthy life style and they consume alcohol. The OP might be frustrated because he is an young adult, and what do young adults do? DRINK! Slowly as one gets older, the drinking will decrease. My point is if a person wants to have fun by drinking, and instead of living upto 87 years of age (just an example) rather live to 77 - then let it be. :drdodgy:

yeah, but just living is a different case than a former alcoholic, who has unhealthy organs, but is still living, diabetes, sirrosis of the liver...etc.

[Cyber Molvi]

Aurovan, I am dissappointed in you. I thought you would have a different take on this.

[nasal_kid]

for me, i see religion and alcohol/ drugs being the two sides of the same coin.

- they both allow people to get away with anything if they claim that they were under their influence when the act was conducted.

- religions are the opiate of people. alcohol/drugs are also the opiate of people as well. both of these things, give people false hope and false courage.

- people look to both of these things when events arent going for them.

- people often justify that the use of one thing doesnt allow the use of other thing. even though, they maybe perfectably capable of making the person into a greater being.

- they both have a huge financial commitment attached to them if one decides to take one of them up.



the only difference is that alcohol/drugs are viewed as negative things whilst religion is a positive thing. double standards perhaps?

*edit* in fact there are more problems in the world due to religion than alcohol/drugs

[Cyber Molvi]

for me, i see religion and alcohol/ drugs being the two sides of the same coin.

- they both allow people to get away with anything if they claim that they were under their influence when the act was conducted.

- religions are the opiate of people. alcohol/drugs are also the opiate of people as well. both of these things, give people false hope and false courage.

- people look to both of these things when events arent going for them.

- people often justify that the use of one thing doesnt allow the use of other thing. even though, they maybe perfectably capable of making the person into a greater being.

- they both have a huge financial commitment attached to them if one decides to take one of them up.



the only difference is that alcohol/drugs are viewed as negative things whilst religion is a positive thing. double standards perhaps?

there is nothing false about religion, unless you have the wrong one.

[Felonius Monk]

Aurovan, I am dissappointed in you. I thought you would have a different take on this.
There's absolutely nothing wrong with drinking in a controlled way. Living in a city is a lot more damaging to your health than enjoying a few pints with your friends on friday night.

People enjoy it. Let them be. What do people get out of music? Pleasure. But its a complete waste of time practically speaking.

[hindu_heat]

there is nothing false about religion, unless you have the wrong one.

:salut: muslim fundie

[nasal_kid]

there is nothing false about religion, unless you have the wrong one.
yet people die more on the name of religion every year than alcohol/drugs...

funny thing is that the same religion that bans the use of alcohol... has the most number of killings under its name

[Cyber Molvi]

There's absolutely nothing wrong with drinking in a controlled way. Living in a city is a lot more damaging to your health than enjoying a few pints with your friends on friday night.

People enjoy it. Let them be. What do people get out of music? Pleasure. But its a complete waste of time practically speaking.

actually music has a tremendous effect on your immune system, just ask my nikka deepak chopra about it.

[Aurovon]

But pot > alcohol. :drdodgy:

I have to agree with you. :drdodgy:

Aurovan, I am dissappointed in you. I thought you would have a different take on this.

I agree that alcohol is bad for your health. The cons outweigh the pros. I personally am not a big fan of alcohol either. If I do drink, I stick with beer only. I am sure almost everyone who drinks realizes it's bad for their health, but they would rather substitue a few hours of enjoyment while risking their health - which is fine because it's their body. That's all I am saying. I am sure there have been times when we chose to do something we desire while risking our health. :drdodgy:

[BMW-racer]

Look at it this way, the average American lives upto 77 years of age. This average american probably does not have a healthy life style and they consume alcohol. The OP might be frustrated because he is an young adult, and what do young adults do? DRINK! Slowly as one gets older, the drinking will decrease. My point is if a person wants to have fun by drinking, and instead of living upto 87 years of age (just an example) rather live to 77 - then let it be. :drdodgy:
this has a lot more to do with the standard of living in N. America.

[kaseem]

:salut: muslim fundie

indeed he is

[Cyber Molvi]

yet people die more on the name of religion every year than alcohol/drugs...

it is the people who falsely use the religion for their wicked means, not the religion itself.

if you get a flat tire by driving over a nail, it is not the nail's fault for giving you the flat tire....

[jatt da khanda]

I'd say people drink to enjoy... i can drink a whole medium bottle of any label especially black or red n still stay alive n walk around n talk n chill except i need to rest a bit :-D but now i stopped been a while since i drank... but i think wat started me was da brain killer... da massager n shit in da brain da feeeling even though it tastez nasty but felt gud....wat u ppl say?

[jardras]

Cyber molvi, why do you care what others do with their own time?

[Cyber Molvi]

indeed he is

i am guessing you guys aren't muslim

[STUpendous]

it is the people who falsely use the religion for their wicked means, not the religion itself.

if you get a flat tire by driving over a nail, it is not the nail's fault for giving you the flat tire....

still, if the nail weren't there there wouldn't be any damage

you don't give a loaded gun to a child and trust them with it

but anyways, why the fuck is this thread still going on, if i wanted some didactic religious guy to tell me that drinking is bad, i would go to church

[Cyber Molvi]

Cyber molvi, why do you care what others do with their own time?

i am trying to figure out why people like to harm themselves and make themselves stupid

[nasal_kid]

i am not trying to give a cheap shot but look at muslims in general, they are willing to kill anyone who say something against their religion. islam never meant that. islam banned alcohol because it made people into animals, which is something that is being done on the name of religion.

so tell me, do you think that God is pleased that these people kill others on his name?

atleast if they drank alcohol, they would be self destructive... not destroying others.

[Cyber Molvi]

still, if the nail weren't there there wouldn't be any damage

you don't give a loaded gun to a child and trust them with it

but anyways, why the fuck is this thread still going on, if i wanted some didactic religious guy to tell me that drinking is bad, i would go to church

are you suggesting we abolish religion all together?

[Aurovon]

i am guessing you guys aren't muslim

I am pretty sure you're an old member who was banned and decided to make this topic becuase you knew it would create drama. I personally think you don't give a damn and you just want some entertainment to keep yourself occupied. Either way, good job. :drdodgy:

[Cyber Molvi]

i am not trying to give a cheap shot but look at muslims in general, they are willing to kill anyone who say something against their religion. islam never meant that. islam banned alcohol because it made people into animals, which is something that is being done on the name of religion.

so tell me, do you think that God is pleased that these people kill others on his name?

atleast if they drank alcohol, they would be self destructive... not destroying others.

you are correct for the most part. i detest muslim on muslm crime.

however, if you disrepect us or our religion, we have every right to defend ourselves.

[Cyber Molvi]

I am pretty sure you're an old member who was banned and decided to make this topic becuase you knew it would create drama. I personally think you don't give a damn and you just want some entertainment to keep yourself occupied. Either way, good job. :drdodgy:

LOL aurovan you are a smart lad.

[STUpendous]

are you suggesting we abolish religion all together?

yeah, its outlived it's purpose, it's doing more harm than good now

it's like continuing chemo when the patient has fully regressed

but lets not get into that argument in a thread about alcohol

[Cyber Molvi]

yeah, its outlived it's purpose, it's doing more harm than good now

it's like continuing chemo when the patient has fully regressed

but lets not get into that argument in a thread about alcohol

yeah let's not, since i vohemeantly disagree with you

[kaseem]

i am guessing you guys aren't muslim

I am, i just dont use a Desi Picture rating site forum to preach by religious beliefs

[nasal_kid]

you are correct for the most part. i detest muslim on muslm crime.

however, if you disrepect us or our religion, we have every right to defend ourselves.

well, i dont like people who disrespect other religions and will use religion to kill other people.

it is just not my fault that many of them turn out to be muslims who fanatically advocate that drinking is bad but killing for religion is perfectly alright.

[Cyber Molvi]

well, i dont like people who disrespect other religions and will use religion to kill other people.

it is just not my fault that many of them turn out to be muslims who fanatically advocate that drinking is bad but killing for religion is perfectly alright.

in our modern times yes, but this is not unique to muslims.

have you forgetten the atrocities committed by Richard the Lionheart of England in the times of the crusades?

[Cyber Molvi]

I am, i just dont use a Desi Picture rating site forum to preach by religious beliefs

Forums are forums

[nasal_kid]

in our modern times yes, but this is not unique to muslims.

have you forgetten the atrocities committed by Richard the Lionheart of England in the times of the crusades?

yeah true. so tell me this... did alcohol/drugs kill more people or religion?

[Sweet Miasma]

here's a question..

did you know that the processed sugars in coca cola spikes your insulin so high.. that if you make a habit of it your body becomes insulin resistant and you develop type 2 diabetes..


why do people drink such beverages? I dont get it. do you, Cyber Molvi?
*reads while taking a sip from coke can*


um...i think .....i wont drink coke at the time of my Glucose tolerance test :ugh:

[Cyber Molvi]

yeah true. so tell me this... did alcohol/drugs kill more people or religion?

people kill people. Relgion does not kill people.

Richard the Lionheart executed 3000 prisoners in the name of christianity....
Muslims kill people in the name of Islam....

Now do Islam and Christanity preach these things?

No they do not. Religion does not advocate killing unless people are being oppressed.

So to answer your question alcohol and drugs kill more people.

[punjabipride04]

I dont drink

never have

never will

simple

:)

[Cyber Molvi]

I dont drink

never have

never will

simple

:)

and what are you reasons for not drinking ?

[nasal_kid]

people kill people. Relgion does not kill people.

Richard the Lionheart executed 3000 prisoners in the name of christianity....
Muslims kill people in the name of Islam....

Now do Islam and Christanity preach these things?

No they do not. Religion does not advocate killing unless people are being oppressed.

So to answer your question alcohol and drugs kill more people.

good answer.. that threw me off the boat right then and there. but i will state one thing as i said earlier. people killed more people under the influence of religion than alcohol/drugs (suicides and accidental deaths included). the latter inside the brackets show that the alc/drugs are more self destructive.

so alcohol/drugs arent as bad as you claim that they are.

[kaseem]

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