Are Beauty Contests a Disgrace for Indian/Pakistani Society and Culture??

[imprt_fghtr1]

I just don't see anything positive in these Beauty Contests such as Miss India, Miss World, etc etc ..... If it's just for fun and to showcase women, I'd be fine with it but for people to say it makes you modern or liberated is just BS because it doesn't do any of that

I would like to see how Indians view beauty contests, how many indians support this or oppose this and WHY ??

I know, even harsher criticism came from Hindu rightist groups like Shiv Sena, which said these women had cheapened Hindu womanhood. However, mainstream India, including the political establishment, was fully supportive, taking the crowning of the two women as an achievement for India.

Leftists and rightists in India find themselves in the same boat when it comes to opposing beauty pageants. Leftists say it is merely a gimmick supported by capitalists of the West to sell their products to Third World by showing the faces of these beauty queens which they themselves anoint. No wonder, they say, two Indian women simultaneously won World and Universe crowns at the time India was switching over to market economy.

I think When India hosted the Miss Universe in November 1996, Many Hindus demonstrated against what they said was Western cultural invasion. They were shooed away by the police and the event passed off peacefully.

[imprt_fghtr1]

what will really help liberate women and give them the respect they dersve is to protest for rights, fight for injustice and make sure they are educated and well informed, get higher education and help other women. prancing on stage showing your bodies does nothing but put them back and say hey yes we agree we are good to look at and men love to objectify us. So lets do exactly what society has done to women, objectify and opress them ....

These beauty contests do NOT liberate women at all but only emphasize how women have been treated for centuries but now done in a more organized way.. The beauty contests held at various levels do not actually represent beauty. Painted faces and vulgar physical presentation can never replace natural beauty. Beauty pageants today are nothing more than a business gimmick. When beauty can be found in simplicity, why go for beauty contests?

Beauty has NOTHING to do with nudity and obscenity.

[.AK.]

i think the whole idea of "displaying women" is bad like. ok yeh im a guy and yes id enjoy watchin hot women walk around in a bikini. but fuck id never let my gf or wife or sis do dat:| cuz i know its wrong, n i dun wanna be a hypocryte so yeh i agree with u, but then girls are like ohh we should be alowed to do w/e n dis n dat, :no: modern media has made girls into attention whores, m sorry but its tru, they just want attention and dunt see how wrong it is in our culture and religion

[.AK.]

what will really help liberate women and give them the respect they dersve is to protest for rights, fight for injustice and make sure they are educated and well informed, get higher education and help other women. prancing on stage showing your bodies does nothing but put them back and say hey yes we agree we are good to look at and men love to objectify us. So lets do exactly what society has done to women, objectify and opress them ....

These beauty contests do NOT liberate women at all but only emphasize how women have been treated for centuries but now done in a more organized way.. The beauty contests held at various levels do not actually represent beauty. Painted faces and vulgar physical presentation can never replace natural beauty. Beauty pageants today are nothing more than a business gimmick. When beauty can be found in simplicity, why go for beauty contests?

Beauty has NOTHING to do with nudity and obscenity.
agree 100000000000%

[~Angel Of Death~]

Beauty has NOTHING to do with nudity.
Why are you posing half naked in your avatar?

Isn't that disgrace to our Indian or Pakistani culture?

[imprt_fghtr1]

Please leave your views and opinions. I would like to see what OTHER DESIS think about these beauty contests such as Miss India / Pak / WOrld /Universe , etc etc

there's nothing to be proud of these filthy contests, if you're good looking people will know, girls DON'T need these kind of pageants where they gotta walk around half naked for the amusement of men to prove they are beautiful, there's no talent, no pride it

[.AK.]

Why are you posing half naked in your avatar?

Isn't that disgrace to our Indian or Pakistani culture?
hes not a girl, and b4 u jump on me with teh whole sexism shit, hes a guy, m sorry no matter wut u say, girls n guys are diffrent sexes, aite? like im nto sayin hes any better, but hes still a guy, for him to pose with his shirt off is ok cuz theres nothing that sexual about it, but i do agree with u a LIL bit, just a bit

[bigr0ck]

Why are you posing half naked in your avatar?

Isn't that disgrace to our Indian or Pakistani culture?

Loll..I wonder what he has to say about that.

perhaps he'll say- "its ok for the guys"

[bigr0ck]

hes not a girl, and b4 u jump on me with teh whole sexism shit, hes a guy, m sorry no matter wut u say, girls n guys are diffrent sexes, aite? like im nto sayin hes any better, but hes still a guy, for him to pose with his shirt off is ok cuz theres nothing that sexual about it, but i do agree with u a LIL bit, just a bit


How many guys have played with your g-string?

[niroism]

i think the whole idea of "displaying women" is bad like. ok yeh im a guy and yes id enjoy watchin hot women walk around in a bikini. but fuck id never let my gf or wife or sis do dat:| cuz i know its wrong, n i dun wanna be a hypocryte so yeh i agree with u, but then girls are like ohh we should be alowed to do w/e n dis n dat, :no: modern media has made girls into attention whores, m sorry but its tru, they just want attention and dunt see how wrong it is in our culture and religion
U just like to see men displayin themselves dont u honeybunch...:dancen:

[selina_786]

You are so going to be bashed by the 'open minded' 'liberal' Americans.
They believe in the phrase 'live and let live'

You are a flop for tonights show yo. LOL.

[bigr0ck]

U just like to see men displayin themselves dont u honeybunch...:dancen:

haha...I guess he is ok with guys displaying themselves.

[.AK.]

How many guys have played with your g-string?
....m...a...guy...

[bigr0ck]

You are so going to be bashed by the 'open minded' 'liberal' Americans.
They believe in the phrase 'live and let live'

You are a flop for tonights show yo. LOL.

Stop telling him...we want it to be a shock.

[.AK.]

U just like to see men displayin themselves dont u honeybunch...:dancen:
:ashamed:

[imprt_fghtr1]

Why are you posing half naked in your avatar?

Isn't that disgrace to our Indian or Pakistani culture?

Please keep the PERSONAL ATTACKS out of this forum. I am NOT here to bash anyone. I am not taking part in Beauty Contests with LEWD clothing on to represent desi culture. I don't stand half naked on beauty contests and say : "This is Indian/Pakistan's Culture and I am proudly representing it"

I admit i shouldn't have pictures like this but If I were in India or Pakistan. I would NOT participate in beauty contests to represent my country.

Women and men can find other ways to show their intelligence and ambitions without putting their bodies on display.

Please understand where I am coming from. I would like your opinion on this topic. If you support it ?? why ?? Isn't this betraying our culture (pak or indian) ?? I know it is betraying pakistani culture but I am NOT sure how Indians see this as .........

[bigr0ck]

....m...a...guy...

stop displaying your dirty side in front of the public. it's against our culture.

[selina_786]

I agree .. sort of. To a limit. Yup.

[niroism]

:ashamed:
Ashamed?? You are not alone in that....my place or urz?!?;)

[.AK.]

not really.
i didn't read what you wrote cus, i dont want to.
but why would it be?
u dumbass, tas wut he explains in wut he worte WHY it is bad:| holy shit:|

[niroism]

stop displaying your dirty side in front of the public. it's against our culture.
:sarb:...

[selina_786]

Please keep the PERSONAL ATTACKS out of this forum. I am NOT here to bash anyone. I am not taking part in Beauty Contests with LEWD clothing on to represent desi culture. I don't stand half naked on beauty contests and say : "This is Indian/Pakistan's Culture and I am proudly representing it"

I admit i shouldn't have pictures like this but If I were in India or Pakistan. I would NOT participate in beauty contests to represent my country.

Women and men can find other ways to show their intelligence and ambitions without putting their bodies on display.

Please understand where I am coming from. I would like your opinion on this topic. If you support it ?? why ?? Isn't this betraying our culture (pak or indian) ?? I know it is betraying pakistani culture but I am NOT sure how Indians see this as .........
It is also betraying their own culture.. but they have all broken free from it and way far ahead now to turn back.

Aren't pakistan thinking of participating in these miss world contests soon?

I'm neither for or against it.. but culturally and religion wise, its wrong.

[~Angel Of Death~]

Please keep the PERSONAL ATTACKS out of this forum. I am NOT here to bash anyone. I am not taking part in Beauty Contests with LEWD clothing on to represent desi culture. I don't stand half naked on beauty contests and say : "This is Indian/Pakistan's Culture and I am proudly representing it"
I admit i shouldn't have pictures like this but If I were in India or Pakistan. I would NOT participate in beauty contests to represent my country.

Women and men can find other ways to show their intelligence and ambitions without putting their bodies on display.

Please understand where I am coming from. I would like your opinion on this topic. If you support it ?? why ?? Isn't this betraying our culture (pak or indian) ?? I know it is betraying pakistani culture but I am NOT sure how Indians see this as .........
But you are on a website specifically labeled "Desi" which is accessible worldwide.

[bigr0ck]

:sarb:...

wait a minute...ak is a guy? or a girl?

[niroism]

Isn't it weird all Beauty queens want to save the world and help poor kids...LOL!!

Damnit...if I was a poor kid a beauty queen would come to my rescue...:p

[.AK.]

wait a minute...ak is a guy? or a girl?
GUY

[~Angel Of Death~]

hes not a girl, and b4 u jump on me with teh whole sexism shit, hes a guy, m sorry no matter wut u say, girls n guys are diffrent sexes, aite? like im nto sayin hes any better, but hes still a guy, for him to pose with his shirt off is ok cuz theres nothing that sexual about it, but i do agree with u a LIL bit, just a bit

There is not? please explain why that would not count sexual.

[bigr0ck]

GUY


haha..i thought you were the girl in your sig. My bad.

[niroism]

wait a minute...ak is a guy? or a girl?
Ali!! Hez muh homie!! He has a strong feminie side though...:p

[.AK.]

i am not a dumbass. :neutral:
ok lemme repeat wut u said"hi i didnt read wut u said, i disagree, but i wanan kno why u think its wrong"
umm...heyy mabey he explains why he thinks its wrong in the thing he wrote:O

[~Angel Of Death~]

Loll..I wonder what he has to say about that.

perhaps he'll say- "its ok for the guys"
Not only him, but every single guy will have same view regarding that matter.

[imprt_fghtr1]

i think the whole idea of "displaying women" is bad like. ok yeh im a guy and yes id enjoy watchin hot women walk around in a bikini. but fuck id never let my gf or wife or sis do dat:| cuz i know its wrong, n i dun wanna be a hypocryte so yeh i agree with u, but then girls are like ohh we should be alowed to do w/e n dis n dat, :no: modern media has made girls into attention whores, m sorry but its tru, they just want attention and dunt see how wrong it is in our culture and religion


Thank you. That's exactly what I am looking for. Honest opinions and views instead of bashing me. I'd tell you I know that Pakistanis and as muslims most of them would oppose this idea. I always thought Indian culture and hindus also oppose this because these pageants are just an invasion of western culture. But one of my buddy argued that "Indians are okay with it and they don't complain about beauty pageants like this" ... So I just wanna see if Indians really Support this or Oppose this ..........

[niroism]

ok lemme repeat wut u said"hi i didnt read wut u said, i disagree, but i wanan kno why u think its wrong"
umm...heyy mabey he explains why he thinks its wrong in the thing he wrote:O
:rofl:

[Astro]

I just don't see anything positive in these Beauty Contests such as Miss India, Miss World, etc etc ..... If it's just for fun and to showcase women, I'd be fine with it but for people to say it makes you modern or liberated is just BS because it doesn't do any of that

I would like to see how Indians view beauty contests, how many indians support this or oppose this and WHY ??

I know, even harsher criticism came from Hindu rightist groups like Shiv Sena, which said these women had cheapened Hindu womanhood. However, mainstream India, including the political establishment, was fully supportive, taking the crowning of the two women as an achievement for India.

Leftists and rightists in India find themselves in the same boat when it comes to opposing beauty pageants. Leftists say it is merely a gimmick supported by capitalists of the West to sell their products to Third World by showing the faces of these beauty queens which they themselves anoint. No wonder, they say, two Indian women simultaneously won World and Universe crowns at the time India was switching over to market economy.

I think When India hosted the Miss Universe in November 1996, Many Hindus demonstrated against what they said was Western cultural invasion. They were shooed away by the police and the event passed off peacefully.

Lawl - there's way bigger issues to deal with India/Pakistan than damn beauty contests. Tbh, who really cares about them? Go get laid player >_<

[.AK.]

There is not? please explain why that would not count sexual.
i did say i agree with u a lil bit didnt i, him having no shirt on is the same in my books as a girl wearing short shorts or short skirt or like a tube top. like its bad but NOT as bad as say...in a swim suit u kno?, plus i also said im quite the hyprocryte, i agree with wut he has to say 1000% like its in my relgion and my culture:| i cant argue with that, but then again i cant stop dese ppl, and i cant stop my self from enjoyn that whihc i should be tryin to stop, thas why i think its wrong

[HiGHland~Heather]

I'm a girl and I really don't like the idea of beauty contests.....seriously why the heck r ppl being judged on their looks and body??

Culturally/Religiously obviously yeh i disagree with swimwear blah blah blah....

But my real issue is obviously the objectification of women.....why aren't there cute guy contests? if there are then why aren't they as popular?

bodybuilding competitions etc. are worthwhile since ppl have invested so much into thier physique, not just something God gave them wen they were born....they had to work for it.

My bro was a body building champ once upon a time, and I think that's great.....coz he worked for it!!

My niece is the cutest baby in the world....FACT....but even then I don't think I wud put her in for a competition (even tho she wud win no doubt! :D ) since I do not want her to grow up and think you can get by on the way you look, or that it is right for people to explicitly and openly judge you on ur beauty!!

For those affected, I think its worse than the whole celebrity-inferiority complex :no:

[mebabysham]

i dont think there's anything necessarily wrong with people participating in pagents, but its not something that the country should take credit for. India or whoever else shouldnt think its a plus for them if a girl from their country wins a pagent.. people cant help how they look. i mean i have nothing against it, but nobody really chose to look the way they do (im keeping plastic surgery out of this), so i dont see why people regard it as such an achievement.

as for it "liberating" women.. maybe women get to be more exposed but its still a form of objectification. i agree with the thread maker, stand up for things more important than looks.

[poojasxy]

oooh i cant WAIT for miss universe!

[.AK.]

no, that not i wrote. :neutral:
u said:
not really.
i didn't read what you wrote cus, i dont want to.
but why would it be?
main part being u didnt read wut he said cuz aparently "u dint want to" n den u ask him why he thinks that, OBIOUSLY he pointed out the reasons he thinks dat in wut he wrote:| thas teh point of forums, u have a topic(which i disagreeed with) and then u have a message box, where u explain ur topic(which u idnt read) but then later on u asked him why he thinks dat, mabey if u read teh message ud know why he thinks dat

[selina_786]

I'm a girl and I really don't like the idea of beauty contests.....seriously why the heck r ppl being judged on their looks and body??

Culturally/Religiously obviously yeh i disagree with swimwear blah blah blah....

But my real issue is obviously the objectification of women.....why aren't there cute guy contests? if there are then why aren't they as popular?

bodybuilding competitions etc. are worthwhile since ppl have invested so much into thier physique, not just something God gave them wen they were born....they had to work for it.

My bro was a body building champ once upon a time, and I think that's great.....coz he worked for it!!

My niece is the cutest baby in the world....FACT....but even then I don't think I wud put her in for a competition (even tho she wud win no doubt! :D ) since I do not want her to grow up and think you can get by on the way you look, or that it is right for people to explicitly and openly judge you on ur beauty!!

For those affected, I think its worse than the whole celebrity-inferiority complex :no:
I thought women entering beauty pageants also work hard on their bodies to represent themselves as the perfect 'beautiful' example.

[niroism]

oooh i cant WAIT for miss universe!
Tell me really...how much do u get for promoting whitening creams in ur sigs...??:sarb:

[.AK.]

i dont think there's anything necessarily wrong with people participating in pagents, but its not something that the country should take credit for. India or whoever else shouldnt think its a plus for them if a girl from their country wins a pagent.. people cant help how they look. i mean i have nothing against it, but nobody really chose to look the way they do (im keeping plastic surgery out of this), so i dont see why people regard it as such an achievement.

as for it "liberating" women.. maybe women get to be more exposed but its still a form of objectification. i agree with the thread maker, stand up for things more important than looks.
tru:yes:

[poojasxy]

Tell me really...how much do u get for promoting whitening creams in ur sigs...??:sarb:i get a free handjob by the mods.

[HiGHland~Heather]

There is not? please explain why that would not count sexual.


Even tho I reeeaaallllyyyy wish all the guys would cover up n it really isn't very modest nor decent of them.

I am afraid there is a distinction e.g. guy topless /= girl topless for obvious reasons!!

According to my beliefs, there are certain parts of a male's body that must be covered at all times, and certain parts that should be covered most of the time unless there's a reason not to.

The upper part of the body comes into latter category.

But I still wish you guys would cover that s**t up!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Irreligious Left]

This topic is going to bring out all the troglodytes.

[niroism]

i get a free handjob by the mods.
All I can say is u are being ripped off...I would have atleast made them agree for an oral....!!

[HiGHland~Heather]

I thought women entering beauty pageants also work hard on their bodies to represent themselves as the perfect 'beautiful' example.

they don't look very toned to me....jus plain skinny :rolleyes:

[selina_786]

they don't look very toned to me....jus plain skinny :rolleyes:
LOL... ok.

[poojasxy]

the reason is this....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OheiL0_9vfM

pageants ROCK! :rockon:

[.AK.]

LOL... ok.
its tru, dey just sex objects, tas not wut a real woman is supsoed to look like

[niroism]

the reason is this....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OheiL0_9vfM

pageants ROCK! :rockon:
LOL!! Read the comment shakerah left u in ur RD Main profile....looks like u have an e-stalker now...!

[.AK.]

the reason is this....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OheiL0_9vfM

pageants ROCK! :rockon:
ex strippers should not be alowed to take part in discussions involving morals/culture/religion:idea:

[selina_786]

its tru, dey just sex objects, tas not wut a real woman is supsoed to look like
Yea ofcourse, that is my point.

They do work hard on their bodies to look like these specific sex objects, do they not?

Highland reckons its ok for men to have bodybuilding competitions... to me its all the same. All to do with physical beauty.

[niroism]

ex strippers should not be alowed to take part in discussions involving morals/culture/religion:idea:
Fine...I will leave this thread now!!

[.AK.]

Yea ofcourse, that is my point.

They do work hard on their bodies to look like these specific sex objects, do they not?

Highland reckons its ok for men to have bodybuilding competitions... to me its all the same. All to do with physical beauty.
lol again i kinda agree n disagree, the body bulding contests are NOT judged on how good u look like those body builders are any thing but atractive:| seriously u gotta admit they arent, they are big bulks of muscle, and most girls dunt like dat so they arent doin anything sexual but these girls are tonein up to look sexually atractive

[poojasxy]

LOL!! Read the comment shakerah left u in ur RD Main profile....looks like u have an e-stalker now...!i know, isnt it cool? i have an e-terrorist. :lol:

[.AK.]

Fine...I will leave this thread now!!
i said EX, ur still a stripper

[niroism]

i know, isnt it cool? i have an e-terrorist. :lol:
hehe....how did u piss the person off?

[imprt_fghtr1]

But you are on a website specifically labeled "Desi" which is accessible worldwide.

why are you keep on personally attacking me ?? I live in Canada, I would NEVER say my pictures and my actions are a representation of my country/culture back home. When these girls participate in these pageants they CLAIM they are representing their country/culture, It is just a shameful development that such contests were in total "contrast" to the social and cultural values

These pageants are nothing but Western-styled beauty contests. These beauty pageants originally started in the West and is now being incorporated into india and other countries and blindly adopted by some people in those countries

[poojasxy]

hehe....how did u piss the person off?thats the girl i did a thread on wid the hairy arms. the kid freaked out & is now stalking me. lolz!

i adore such dedication. :love:

[selina_786]

lol again i kinda agree n disagree, the body bulding contests are NOT judged on how good u look like those body builders are any thing but atractive:| seriously u gotta admit they arent, they are big bulks of muscle, and most girls dunt like dat so they arent doin anything sexual but these girls are tonein up to look sexually atractive
I kind of agree and disagree too.

Even though personally I'm not for beauty pageants... you do realise that a woman needs intelligence as well as beauty to participate in them? Any regular slim, sexy looking woman can't just get in... that would be like woah.

[niroism]

i said EX, ur still a stripper
Muh Bad...I forgot.....

*Starts to strip with The Full Monty soundtrack playin in the background*

** I believe in miracles
Where you from
You sexy thing
I believe in miracles
Since you came along
You sexy thing**

[HiGHland~Heather]

Yea ofcourse, that is my point.

They do work hard on their bodies to look like these specific sex objects, do they not?

Highland reckons its ok for men to have bodybuilding competitions... to me its all the same. All to do with physical beauty.

Bodybuilding isn't about beauty at all, its about physique!

And they are certainly not ogled at as if they were sex objects at all!

Anyone who watches them is truly appreciating the hard work they have put into that....

and serious most of those girls are naturally skinny, and even if they're not big deal - they're bodies are nothing special at all!!!

[niroism]

thats the girl i did a thread on wid the hairy arms. the kid freaked out & is now stalking me. lolz!

i adore such dedication. :love:
LOL!! The kid even took her pics down...watch ur e-back!!:p

[selina_786]

Bodybuilding isn't about beauty at all, its about physique!

And they are certainly not ogled at as if they were sex objects at all!

Anyone who watches them is truly appreciating the hard work they have put into that....

and serious most of those girls are naturally skinny, and even if they're not big deal - they're bodies are nothing special at all!!!
Yea I totally get what you mean.

I just see them all the same.

What are body builders representing? The hard work put on their own bodies? They need approval and the need to be awarded from the rest, I see no point if its not going to benefit anyone else.

[.AK.]

I kind of agree and disagree too.

Even though personally I'm not for beauty pageants... you do realise that a woman needs intelligence as well as beauty to participate in them? Any regular slim, sexy looking woman can't just get in... that would be like woah.
u cant possibly tell me those girls are SMART:| ok lets break it down, theres those BIG pagents, liek miss world/uni/country n deres smaller ones like state n shit, the smaller one do not judge intelegance at all..like at alllllllllll (for names sake they do but...come on now) the bigger ones, ok teh show is 3 hours long, the inteligance part is 5 mins long. u tell me. and even then...who the helll looks at their inteligance and theres hella lot more smarter girls out there

[.AK.]

Yea I totally get what you mean.

I just see them all the same.

What are body builders representing? The hard work put on their own bodies? They need approval and the need to be awarded from the rest, I see no point if its not going to benefit anyone else.
they arent workin hard on their bodys yes, but they arent doin it to look good they are doin it just to see who can do teh most:|

[selina_786]

u cant possibly tell me those girls are SMART:| ok lets break it down, theres those BIG pagents, liek miss world/uni/country n deres smaller ones like state n shit, the smaller one do not judge intelegance at all..like at alllllllllll (for names sake they do but...come on now) the bigger ones, ok teh show is 3 hours long, the inteligance part is 5 mins long. u tell me. and even then...who the helll looks at their inteligance and theres hella lot more smarter girls out thereOfcourse there are hella alot of girls out there who are more intelligent as well as better looking, now its upto the individual to participate in such pageants.

They are all crap.

I say we should have miss intelligence, man. Now how attractive is that :D

Looks + intelligence - concentrating more on her abilities rather than her looks mannnn.

[selina_786]

they arent workin hard on their bodys yes, but they arent doin it to look good they are doin it just to see who can do teh most:|
Yes, thats what these pageant participants are prolly doing too. Seeing who gets to the better position LOL.

[imprt_fghtr1]

I gotta go eat but I just wanna say :

As for women wanting to do what they want, sure, do it.. but atleast acknowledge that they're doing this to please themselves and not to represent their country.. because representing one's country at such baseless event is not the intention for these so called beauty queens.. also, a question or two during the event doesn't make a girl or a guy (for Mr. Universe) intelligent or the complete person.. all they are is just eye candy

[.AK.]

Ofcourse there are hella alot of girls out there who are more intelligent as well as better looking, now its upto the individual to participate in such pageants.

They are all crap.

I say we should have miss intelligence, man. Now how attractive is that :D

Looks + intelligence - concentrating more on her abilities rather than her looks mannnn.
i personally think a smart sophisticated girl is hella lot more atractive den a blonde bimbo, mabey back in gr11 i woulda gone for dat butnot nemore:no:

[HiGHland~Heather]

Yea I totally get what you mean.

I just see them all the same.

What are body builders representing? The hard work put on their own bodies? They need approval and the need to be awarded from the rest, I see no point if its not going to benefit anyone else.


Some people see it more as a sport in a way, you train really hard and instead of physically competing you display your hard work, which is reflective in their body.

I just think it makes more sense than beauty pageants.....but doesn't do them much good either.

they get cute trophies tho.

[poojasxy]

2001 - celina jaitley was 3rd runner up at MU.

http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/1048/celinamu270au.jpg



2002 - neha dhupia placed 6th at MU

http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/4725/nehadmu267pz.jpg



2004 - tanushree dutta placed in top 6 at MU


http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/4745/tanushreemu168ac.jpg



consequently, ALL these women & ANY miss india that places internationally or WIN like aishwarya, diya mirza, priyanka, & sushmita have garnered lucrative careers in bollywood.

so... one can say that women in india join these pageants in hopes of becoming the next aishwarya rai.

[.AK.]

2001 - celina jaitley was 3rd runner up at MU.



2002 - neha dhupia placed 6th at MU



2004 - tanushree dutta placed in top 6 at MU




consequently, ALL these women & ANY miss india that places internationally or WIN like aishwarya, diya mirza, priyanka, & sushmita have garnered lucrative careers in bollywood.

so... one can say that women in india join these pageants in hopes of becoming the next aishwarya rai.
k we all kno teh REASONS dey do it, but it dosnt make it right

[poojasxy]

k we all kno teh REASONS dey do it, but it dosnt make it rightnot all pageants are demeaning. the days when aishwarya & sushmita won, girls were only allowed one piece swimsuits and they did not show cleavage.

by the time girls like celina, lara dutta, and priyanka won... skin was everywhere. 10 years of moving up the ladder internationally have made the newer girls become more bold.

[HiGHland~Heather]

2001 - celina jaitley was 3rd runner up at MU.


2002 - neha dhupia placed 6th at MU


2004 - tanushree dutta placed in top 6 at MU



Let me judge...

Pretty
Fugly - looks like drag princess :kekeke:
Fugly



If u gonna do something at least do it properly!

[poojasxy]

Let me judge...

Pretty
Fugly - looks like drag princess :kekeke:
Fugly



If u gonna do something at least do it properly!the intent was not to say which was pretty or fugly. they got there coz they gave razor sharp answers to the international panel of judges.

for instance... in 2000 & 2002, miss india was the only girl that could answer articulately in english. its not just physicality, its also brains. id say looks are perhaps only 75% or less.

interview & articulation is where its at really.

[.AK.]

not all pageants are demeaning. the days when aishwarya & sushmita won, girls were only allowed one piece swimsuits and they did not show cleavage.

by the time girls like celina, lara dutta, and priyanka won... skin was everywhere. 10 years of moving up the ladder internationally have made the newer girls become more bold.
exactly my point, back then it was ok, barely but now its all sexual, its not BOLDER its just girls pradeing their half nakid bodies around infront of millions of viewers, wut do u think ppl sittin at home thing esp teh male audiance "hey i think her eyebrows are pretty" or "hey i bet shes a really nice gal" :no: dey all jus thinkin of fuckin the girl shitless, which kinda IS dememeaning

[.AK.]

id say looks are perhaps only 75% or less.


liek i said b4, teh pagent lasts, 3-4 hours, teh intrewview part is about 5 mins long, so dere goes ur 75% BS out teh window, 2nd of all they dont ask them smart questions like find teh integral of sin3x pie over the interval 2/3 rads to 5/6 rads, its bs questions that any one on teh streets could answer

[selina_786]

the intent was not to say which was pretty or fugly. they got there coz they gave razor sharp answers to the international panel of judges.

for instance... in 2000 & 2002, miss india was the only girl that could answer articulately in english. its not just physicality, its also brains. id say looks are perhaps only 75% or less.

interview & articulation is where its at really.
That is true.. but without the looks, there is no chance that these girls will be interviewed as main focus here is on their physical beauty.

75% is alot.

[poojasxy]

exactly my point, back then it was ok, barely but now its all sexual, its not BOLDER its just girls pradeing their half nakid bodies around infront of millions of viewers, wut do u think ppl sittin at home thing esp teh male audiance "hey i think her eyebrows are pretty" or "hey i bet shes a really nice gal" :no: dey all jus thinkin of fuckin the girl shitless, which kinda IS dememeaningthere are a lot of liberal viewers in this world. not all of them put sanctions on what a woman should or shouldnt wear.

personally, i agree. the swimsuit round shoulod be done in private & not publicly. but sex sells & good ratings on tv equals money. its business like anywhere else.

there is no morality in the business world, let alone the enertainment industry.

[poojasxy]

That is true.. but without the looks, there is no chance that these girls will be interviewed as main focus here is on their physical beauty.

75% is alot.agreed. but lara dutta & yukta mookhey are not a lookers. yet they won miss universe & miss world because they actually talked like they had finished uni.

do u think miss venezuela(the bitches that ALWAYS win) with her various plastic surgries would be able to top that? remember... the final three is ONLY interview.

[.AK.]

there are a lot of liberal viewers in this world. not all of them put sanctions on what a woman should or shouldnt wear.

personally, i agree. the swimsuit round shoulod be done in private & not publicly. but sex sells & good ratings on tv equals money. its business like anywhere else.

there is no morality in the business world, let alone the enertainment industry.
i dunt get it, wut ur sayin is right yet u cant see it:| like yes sex sells and yes theres no morality in business and thas exatly my point:| these things are wrong and shouldnt be done. k bascially this western culture has only come up in teh last mabey...30 yerars? b4 that it was all the same, there fore the topic creators point is tru that its not in our culture to be in these sorta things, 2nd of all relgioin, pls go find me one religion that promotes or even alowes these kinda things, i doubt any dones. its just our people have this...urge...to be white, do every thing how white ppl do and forget our own roots, just cuz she can talk in english dosnt make her ne better,

[selina_786]

agreed. but lara dutta & yukta mookhey are not a lookers. yet they won miss universe & miss world because they actually talked like they had finished uni.

do u thin miss venezuela with her various plastic surgries would be able to top that? remember... the final three is ONLY interview.
I think they do need the brains as well as beauty but by others/viewers.. they are portrayed to as sex objects. They know they stand as sex objects only.
Now... thats where I see it as getting pointless.

[bill]

Fuck, if people want to do it, let them. If you don't like it, don't watch it.

[poojasxy]

I think they do need the brains as well as beauty but by others/viewers.. they are portrayed to as sex objects. They know they stand as sex objects only.
Now... thats where I see it as getting pointless.pageants are pointless. these girls just use it as an excuse to be casted as a dancing whore in some bad bollywood movie. i mean look at celina? the brightest girl at miss universe is reduced to gyrating on some beach in mauritius with her see thru bra on.

its ridiculous, i agree.

[DesiTrix]

The fact is that a beauty contest lowers the diginity of a woman by unconvering her body and displaying her as a cheap commodity. It is distasteful and has no logic involved in it, it is like slavery. A women is not made to be bought or sold. So in short, think before you go and wander with your eyes closed. Wake up. This is the age to wake up, if you don't now then your helpless in the future.

[bill]

The fact is that a beauty contest lowers the diginity of a woman by unconvering her body and displaying her as a cheap commodity. It is distasteful and has no logic involved in it, it is like slavery. A women is not made to be bought or sold. So in short, think before you go and wander with your eyes closed. Wake up. This is the age to wake up, if you don't now then your helpless in the future.

Excuse me but how does any of this qualify as 'fact'? All I see are opinions of a person who can't see past a warped concept of 'culture' and 'tradition'.

[DesiTrix]

Excuse me but how does any of this qualify as 'fact'? All I see are opinions of a person who can't see past a warped concept of 'culture' and 'tradition'.

Maybe you think that because you have grown up in a culture without any values or any of the sort? (excuse me if I am wrong but that's what your statement means to me)

[bill]

Maybe you think that because you have grown up in a culture without any values or any of the sort? (excuse me if I am wrong but that's what your statement means to me)

Character assasination based on a screen name? Doesn't your 'culture' and 'tradition' promote intelligence? 'Cause you seem to have none of it.

[DesiTrix]

Character assasination based on a screen name? Doesn't your 'culture' and 'tradition' promote intelligence? 'Cause you seem to have none of it.

Not based on a screename, based on the statement. Re-read mine.

[bill]

Not based on a screename, based on the statement. Re-read mine.

Please. It's entirely based on the screenname "Bill". I don't see how one can go from my statement to a society of selfish hedonostic barbarians.

[DesiTrix]

Please. It's entirely based on the screenname "Bill". I don't see how one can go from my statement to a society of selfish hedonostic barbarians.
Listen, I don't know where you get that from...

You said:

"Excuse me but how does any of this qualify as 'fact'? All I see are opinions of a person who can't see past a warped concept of 'culture' and 'tradition'."

Now, what I said contradicts what you think because I can't see past a "warped concept" of culture and tradition??????

Dude, run.

[bill]

Listen, I don't know where you get that from...

You said:

"Excuse me but how does any of this qualify as 'fact'? All I see are opinions of a person who can't see past a warped concept of 'culture' and 'tradition'."

Now, what I said contradicts what you think because I can't see past a "warped concept" of culture and tradition??????

Dude, run.

It means your perception of said culture and tradition is warped, not the culture and tradition itself. Dude, learn to read.

Anyhow stop dodging the question: how does any of what you say qualify as "fact"?

[Fatty4life]

your face is a disgrace to desi culture.

[zimmy24]

I'm a girl and I really don't like the idea of beauty contests.....seriously why the heck r ppl being judged on their looks and body??

Culturally/Religiously obviously yeh i disagree with swimwear blah blah blah....

But my real issue is obviously the objectification of women.....why aren't there cute guy contests? if there are then why aren't they as popular?

bodybuilding competitions etc. are worthwhile since ppl have invested so much into thier physique, not just something God gave them wen they were born....they had to work for it.

My bro was a body building champ once upon a time, and I think that's great.....coz he worked for it!!

My niece is the cutest baby in the world....FACT....but even then I don't think I wud put her in for a competition (even tho she wud win no doubt! :D ) since I do not want her to grow up and think you can get by on the way you look, or that it is right for people to explicitly and openly judge you on ur beauty!!

For those affected, I think its worse than the whole celebrity-inferiority complex :no:


what about a girl who enters a contest after working out for a long time and spending a lot of effort on her fitness/body?

[zimmy24]

oooh i cant WAIT for miss universe!

me too :dance3:

u should represent sweden now :dance3:

[E.I.Walrus]

Fuck, if people want to do it, let them. If you don't like it, don't watch it.

Exactly.

[DesiTrix]

It means your perception of said culture and tradition is warped, not the culture and tradition itself. Dude, learn to read.

Anyhow stop dodging the question: how does any of what you say qualify as "fact"?


You don't need a scholar to tell you that is fact or an article from qualified source to tell you it is a fact. Any human being with logic can think deep and say that this useless. But one has to clear up the concept of thinking that "it is okay", and think with an open mind.

Beauty Contest: Woman diets/excercises (sometimes takes drugs) to do what? To show herself infront of intoxicated men who observe and think dirty thoughts. But all that doesn't come right at you since we are so involved in it because of the money and fame. We are blinded by those things.

[poojasxy]

me too :dance3:

u should represent sweden now :dance3:ill be miss bleached desi sweden. :dance:

[bill]

You don't need a scholar to tell you that is fact or an article from qualified source to tell you it is a fact. Any human being with logic can think deep and say that this useless. But one has to clear up the concept of thinking that "it is okay", and think with an open mind.

In other words, you pulled it out of your arse.

Beauty Contest: Woman diets/excercises (sometimes takes drugs) to do what? To show herself infront of intoxicated men who observe and think dirty thoughts. But all that doesn't come right at you since we are so involved in it because of the money and fame. We are blinded by those things.

Are you indulging us with facts or more of your BS opinions again?

[DesiTrix]

In other words, you pulled it out of your arse.



Are you indulging us with facts or more of your BS opinions again?

Let's say they are my opinions. You wish not to study my opinions, I don't care. Atleast keep quiet or bring up some of your opinions.

[zimmy24]

You don't need a scholar to tell you that is fact or an article from qualified source to tell you it is a fact. Any human being with logic can think deep and say that this useless. But one has to clear up the concept of thinking that "it is okay", and think with an open mind.

Beauty Contest: Woman diets/excercises (sometimes takes drugs) to do what? To show herself infront of intoxicated men who observe and think dirty thoughts. But all that doesn't come right at you since we are so involved in it because of the money and fame. We are blinded by those things.

then the problem is in the male who watches the pageant intoxicated and thinks dirty thoughts. for the first time i agree with bill.

[DesiTrix]

then the problem is in the male who watches the pageant intoxicated and thinks dirty thoughts. for the first time i agree with bill.
Doesn't have to be intoxicated. A man walks on the road and admires the beauty of a woman and can think dirty thoughts. I have. No shame in admitting it.

[bill]

opinions

Opinions != facts.

And I already gave my opinion, without the pretensions of fact mind you.

[zimmy24]

ill be miss bleached desi sweden. :dance:

send me some cream. my ass crack is darker than the rest of my body. at first i thought it was shit but i scrubbed and scrubbed and now i have an infection :(

[poojasxy]

bill is winning this e-argument. he is SO good at pwning people. especially noobs. go bill! :rockon:

[zimmy24]

Doesn't have to be intoxicated. A man walks on the road and admires the beauty of a woman and can think dirty thoughts. I have. No shame in admitting it.

if a man does it on the streets anyways then how is it worse if the girl is parading in a swimsuit on screen?



who said neha dhupia's fugly? wtf i cant stand ugly fobs who call other people fugly

[poojasxy]

if a man does it on the streets anyways then how is it worse if the girl is parading in a swimsuit on screen?



who said neha dhupia's fugly? wtf i cant stand ugly fobs who call other people fuglyOMG zimmy!

that pic! :rofl: :roflbow:

[bill]

Work warning, man.

[zimmy24]

Work warning, man.


:roflbow:

[bill]

:roflbow:

Don't laugh too soon - I was just saying it for future reference. My work doesn't care if I look at porn in the office. =)

[DesiTrix]

k.......bye

[zimmy24]

Don't laugh too soon - I was just saying it for future reference. My work doesn't care if I look at porn in the office. =)


:Pelvic2:

[Rogue]

I do agree with you and I absolutely abhor beauty pageants. It's pointless. Beauty is found in so many forms all over the world, what's there to compete about? And like you've mentioned, it's all really commercialized and of course, they will try to cover it up with "more humanitarian causes" but i think if we were to compare how much money actually is spent on the whole event...i mean, everything. all the money spent on contestants, flights, reservations, the judges, the food, renting the stage, printed media, advertisements, dresses/designers, the whole shebang. If there were truely humanitarian...much of those millions of dollars could have been donated towards better causes. I mean, yea, it's all a huge global commercial gimmick. The small percentage that they do give away towards humanitarian contributions, are also publicized to get more public support and more money into their products.

Alright, then fine, have it for entertainment...but so what if India's/Paki's women have won the crown. Big deal and I find that nothing to gloat about either. It didn't really empower the average woman in india and the way that many of them are still treated (I'm not just referring to big cities, I'm talking about rural areas as well which still remain as they are...neglected.) We don't need to win beauty crowns in order to know that our nation has beauty and intelligence.

on a lighter note...
:) I love the movie, Miss Congienality, and the way they mocked how shallow the whole thing really is. The scene when Sandra Bullock is viewing the clips during her flight trying mimick them is absolutely priceless.

[plummet]

so putting your boobies on full display on a website such as this is not disgraceful...but beauty contests are?

:rolleyes: ooooooookie dokie

[zimmy24]

I do agree with you and I absolutely abhor beauty pageants. It's pointless. Beauty is found in so many forms all over the world, what's there to compete about? And like you've mentioned, it's all really commercialized and of course, they will try to cover it up with "more humanitarian causes" but i think if we were to compare how much money actually is spent on the whole event...i mean, everything. all the money spent on contestants, flights, reservations, the judges, the food, renting the stage, printed media, advertisements, dresses/designers, the whole shebang. If there were truely humanitarian...much of those millions of dollars could have been donated towards better causes. I mean, yea, it's all a huge global commcercial gimmick. The small percentage that they do give away towards humanitarian contributions, are also publicized to get more public support and more money into their products.



when you have the most beautiful girls lined up, you pick the most articulate and intelligent one out of them. thats the way it goes.

[Rogue]

when you have the most beautiful girls lined up, you pick the most articulate and intelligent one out of them. thats the way it goes. and then what? what happens after that? is there an actual point to it? a purpose? is it REALLY that big of a deal? does it change my life? does it change yours? does it change the world for the better?

[krazii aqqie]

no one's forcing any of you to sit down & watch those shows. if you guys do, you're in a way supporting the cause. if you don't want it to continue, boycott it. simple as that.

i don't believe in anyone having the right to tell ANYONE what to do with their lives. it's quite honestly the person's life. no one else's.

both men & women alike take part in these competitions. and if you look at men's pagents, their clothing is worse off than the women's pagents.

if you look at what women wear in those competitions, it's actually quite modest. i've seen desi people wear more outrageous outfits.

[bill]

Lol @ people wanting purpose and enlightment from beauty contests.

shit

What about all the jobs it provides to the hosts of the show?

[bill]

no one's forcing any of you to sit down & watch those shows. if you guys do, you're in a way supporting the cause. if you don't want it to continue, boycott it. simple as that.

i don't believe in anyone having the right to tell ANYONE what to do with their lives. it's quite honestly the person's life. no one else's.

both men & women alike take part in these competitions. and if you look at men's pagents, their clothing is worse off than the women's pagents.

if you look at what women wear in those competitions, it's actually quite modest. i've seen desi people wear more outrageous outfits.


but it doesn't have purpose and dignity, mang!1! </crusader of truth and justice>

[bill]

It's a disgrace to women in general. What's worse is that so many of them fall for that pseudo-empowerment BS.

Idiotic beliefs associated with a 'thing' does not render the 'thing' idiotic.

[Felonius Monk]

Right, but the "thing" itself can only be idiotic if its central concept promotes nothing but idiocy and the commercialization of women. Hence, idiotic beliefs and ideals proliferate.
Sorry. The correct answer was "Mother Teresa" :drdodgy:

[Irreligious Left]

Right, but the "thing" itself can only be idiotic if its central concept promotes nothing but idiocy and the commercialization of women. Hence, idiotic beliefs and ideals proliferate.

Yeah, women don't even need beauty pageants to promote their idiocy. They do a fine job of doing that without them. :idea:

[Rogue]

Lol @ people wanting purpose and enlightment from beauty contests.



What about all the jobs it provides to the hosts of the show? Well, that's what they try to make it out to be many times - they try to sell the humanitarian side of it which is the part that really irks me because they do it just in order to sell how it's more than just a beauty pageant. it's nothing but a very expensive commercial gimmick.

[Felonius Monk]

You're just asking to be sexually objectified. And you know I'd do it too.
Sluttery. Indeed. :drdodgy:

[Felonius Monk]

Yeah, women don't even need beauty pageants to promote their idiocy. They do a fine job of doing that without them. :idea:
Pamela Anderson once remarked that she turned vegetarian because she couldnt stand cruelty to animals. Then she mentioned that plants are living creatures too. Then she asked if she should eat corn instead.

I was profoundly moved. :drdodgy:

[bill]

Right, but the "thing" itself can only be idiotic if its central concept promotes nothing but idiocy and the commercialization of women. Hence, idiotic beliefs and ideals proliferate.

I don't see how it promites nothing but idiocy; take this thread for instance, I don't think everyone who 'supports' beauty contests are idiots. Sure some are - but the majority not so. Regarding the commercialisation of women: if the women want to, then why not? Also, you're underestimating the place of comestics and superficiality in the commercial environment. The business world is built on repute, and 'looks' are central to that. Is that also idiotic?

And seriously, how many people really think that it empowers women? Not too many. Most people really like the idea of beauty contests because it means more advertising and showcasing. And guys love looking at hot chics. So what?

Well, that's what they try to make it out to be many times - they try to sell the humanitarian side of it which is the part that really irks me because they do it just in order to sell how it's more than just a beauty pageant. it's nothing but a very expensive commercial gimmick.

Sure it's a gimmick, but it's also used for fund raising, and surely that's not evil?

[bill]

Sorry for typos, but I can't edit.

[Rogue]

I don't see how it promites nothing but idiocy; take this thread for instance, I don't think everyone who 'supports' beauty contests are idiots. Sure some are - but the majority not so. Regarding the commercialisation of women: if the women want to, then why not? Also, you're underestimating the place of comestics and superficiality in the commercial environment. The business world is built on repute, and 'looks' are central to that. Is that also idiotic?

And seriously, how many people really think that it empowers women? Not too many. Most people really like the idea of beauty contests because it means more advertising and showcasing. And guys love looking at hot chics. So what?



Sure it's a gimmick, but it's also used for fund raising, and surely that's not evil?
Fundraising, yes. but if you ever work out where a lot of that money is going, it just doesn't live up to its original intentions.

[bill]

Do you have similar dissent towards Hollywood/music/entertainment?

[Rogue]

Do you have similar dissent towards Hollywood/music/entertainment? If they overpromise and under-deliver, then i most likely will. I will undoubtedly question it.

[imprt_fghtr1]

I do agree with you and I absolutely abhor beauty pageants. It's pointless. Beauty is found in so many forms all over the world, what's there to compete about? And like you've mentioned, it's all really commercialized and of course, they will try to cover it up with "more humanitarian causes" but i think if we were to compare how much money actually is spent on the whole event...i mean, everything. all the money spent on contestants, flights, reservations, the judges, the food, renting the stage, printed media, advertisements, dresses/designers, the whole shebang. If there were truely humanitarian...much of those millions of dollars could have been donated towards better causes. I mean, yea, it's all a huge global commercial gimmick. The small percentage that they do give away towards humanitarian contributions, are also publicized to get more public support and more money into their products.

Alright, then fine, have it for entertainment...but so what if India's/Paki's women have won the crown. Big deal and I find that nothing to gloat about either. It didn't really empower the average woman in india and the way that many of them are still treated (I'm not just referring to big cities, I'm talking about rural areas as well which still remain as they are...neglected.) We don't need to win beauty crowns in order to know that our nation has beauty and intelligence.

on a lighter note...
:) I love the movie, Miss Congienality, and the way they mocked how shallow the whole thing really is. The scene when Sandra Bullock is viewing the clips during her flight trying mimick them is absolutely priceless.


I fully agree with you there .... good post :-)

[imprt_fghtr1]

The beauty contests held at various levels do not actually represent beauty. Painted faces and vulgar physical presentation can never replace NATURAL beauty. Beauty pageants today are nothing more than a business gimmick. When beauty can be found in simplicity, why go for beauty contests ??

[bill]

- girls also love looking at hot guys
- there's nothing wrong with 'looking'

Girls that join beauty pageants aren't usually the low-self-esteemed-seeking-validation type, they usually know they are hot shit and probably want to capitalise on it. This is why they are up on stage willing to face judgement based purely on superficiallity.

And really, if people are stupid enough to gauge their self-worth only by their appearences then it's their own damn fault. I don't see why the contestants of a beauty pageants should bear the responsibility for the stupid. As far as I can see, The Stupid will just find another reason for cutting their wrists and throwing up after meals.

[bill]

Nobody's forcing the girl to get up there and 'objectify' herself, she is doing it off her own will. And it isn't necessarily objectification; at worst it's superficial. It would be objectification if the girl was put up there for sale, thereby removing her humanity and making her an object to be bought, sold, and traded. In fact, a modelling agency objectifies women much more than a beauty pageant. Do you find models disgraceful as well?

Regarding my hypothetical sister: it's her choice innit? The same way I'd say it's her choice if she went into modelling. Or medicine. Though I'd remind her that a beauty pageant is strictly superficial so there's no long-term gain in it (although that's not true for a lot of people).

[Irreligious Left]

So I take it then that you'd be okay with it, were your sister to enter such a contest? Strut around in a bikini, capitalising on her hotness, etc?

More power to her. What would the alternative be? Me putting my foot down, brow-beating her not to? That's not all that enlightened.

[vnr1225]

as long as there are nobel prizes for people to show off their intelligence then there can be beauty contests for people to show off their attractiveness. There is absolutely nothing wrong in doing it. Plus these competitions pale in comparison to other crap that is shown on TV and movies. The contestents in these contests are usually not the worst slutty people either, they have high standards fo themselves.

people need to stop being so damn uptight. I sure as hell dont want india to become some ultra conservative country. British and arab invaders have tried to demolish our culture before, i have complete confidence that beauty contests will have little impact on who we are.

so holy shit everybody stop being so friggin uptight.

[imprt_fghtr1]

There is a difference between 'looking' at your everyday girl walking down the street, and putting on display as an object.

So I take it then that you'd be okay with it, were your sister to enter such a contest? Strut around in a bikini, capitalising on her hotness, etc?

Girl Next Door .... I fully agree with you ... Mad Respect to yah girl , good posts :=)

[imprt_fghtr1]

Hmmm here's what I have to add ........

when I or my friends watch these beauty contests, we don't give a damn where the girl is from, we just wanna see some HOT girls for our amusement, and im sure 99% guys out there thinks this way ... I don't see anything positive in this pageant, It's a step back, prancing on stage showing your bodies does nothing but saying desi women loves to walk around half naked and men love to objectify them. So lets do exactly what society has done to women, objectify and opress them ....

These beauty contests just emphasize how women have been treated for centuries but now done in a more organized way

[lili420]

Forget desi culture, i think beauty pageants are bakwaas. this world is superficial enough as it is, we really dont need to have a bunch of naked bimbos get so much fame for nothng they have acheived... rather something God given, that not everyone has. i do watch them sometimes i admit, not religiously though, but if they stopped doing these beauty pageants i wouldnt care at all.

[bill]

I still don't see how any of these arguments render beauty pageants as a disgrace to culture and society. So you think it objectifies women? Well, paki/indian culture/society isn't the most liberal when it comes to women's rights to begin with so no difference there. It's superficial? The entire premise of culture is superficial. It's immoral? Says who? It makes men touch themselves? Trust me, men would touch themselves anyway.

[Irreligious Left]

lol. You make it sound as if that's the only other viable alternative.

Fine. Tell me what's the proper way to tell a presumably grown woman what she can and cannot do.

[Cunard]

I just don't see anything positive in these Beauty Contests such as Miss India, Miss World, etc etc ..... If it's just for fun and to showcase women, I'd be fine with it but for people to say it makes you modern or liberated is just BS because it doesn't do any of that

I would like to see how Indians view beauty contests, how many indians support this or oppose this and WHY ??

I know, even harsher criticism came from Hindu rightist groups like Shiv Sena, which said these women had cheapened Hindu womanhood. However, mainstream India, including the political establishment, was fully supportive, taking the crowning of the two women as an achievement for India.

Leftists and rightists in India find themselves in the same boat when it comes to opposing beauty pageants. Leftists say it is merely a gimmick supported by capitalists of the West to sell their products to Third World by showing the faces of these beauty queens which they themselves anoint. No wonder, they say, two Indian women simultaneously won World and Universe crowns at the time India was switching over to market economy.

I think When India hosted the Miss Universe in November 1996, Many Hindus demonstrated against what they said was Western cultural invasion. They were shooed away by the police and the event passed off peacefully.

lol...right wing hindu groups protest public kissing/affection and beauty contests.......but they have no problem in lighting people on fire with tires around there necks..........good logic there brother :eek:

[poojasxy]

ok reality check. nobody parades naked on a pageant. a two piece bikini AINT naked.


2nd... there was NEVER a miss pakistan at miss world, miss universe, and miss international. so pakistani people need not be concerned becoz those three are the biggest most well known international pageants ever.

all this talk about paki/indian is a misnomer. its only indian women & miss indias sanctioned by femina & indiatimes are the ONLY ones allowed to compete internationally. this doesnt make them special by any means. but really... in truth, indian ppl are less anal about women asserting themselves on an international platform. culturally... they are more liberal.

[BoO bOo]

just be quiet...n watch the free show. When they dont have problem displaying their beauty than why you gettin all strange about it???

[BigCrazyIndian]

it's still ok for desi women to empower themselves by participating in the pornographic industry though, right?

I mean, who are we to repress these fine, upstanding ladies from having hardcore, freaky-deeky monkey sex on camera?

[bill]

it's still ok for desi women to empower themselves by participating in the pornographic industry though, right?

I mean, who are we to repress these fine, upstanding ladies from having hardcore, freaky-deeky monkey sex on camera?

The market is king, mang.

---

People who oppose beauty pageants: do you think prostitution should be legalised?

[bill]

Hmmm.

[pachaas Paisa]

I don't understand how dipshits and dickwads like active members of shivsena, bharathiya Janatha Party and other various bullshit groups justify the whole beauty paegent shows as disgraceful. One thing to understand is that, this is media based and has nothing to do with representing a country as a whole. In the end, who really gives a fuck about Miss India being the Miss World? No matter what, us brown folks are still considered ugly, hairy and unattractive on a general basis. True say?

Now, someone mentioned about Indians complaining about western influence. You Fucking cockbreaths, you're all ungrateful for all the positive western influence that has taken place in India prior to Independance. How do you compass that with western civilization when our own country is the one suffering from the extreme population crisis due to our lack of stabilizing our Hormones? Disgusting shit actually comes from India. Our powerful religiously entailed Kamasutra has been accepted by the western society and has made several copies of high quality pornography out of it. Who was the cause of it? India. Fuckin great bastards, all Desis are hypocritical. They have no sense of reality whatsoever. Even in this current era they are the major cause of the biggest rivalry between India and Pakistan, giving the creeps out to the rest of the world. We are the primary reason why this world is so fucked up. Enough is enough.

[bill]

lol. thoughts? suggestions? price range?

I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic. And actually, that question doesn't really apply to this situation.

You didn't answer me about the modelling thing though. ;P

[bill]

I don't understand how dipshits and dickwads like active members of shivsena, bharathiya Janatha Party and other various bullshit groups justify the whole beauty paegent shows as disgraceful. One thing to understand is that, this is media based and has nothing to do with representing a country as a whole. In the end, who really gives a fuck about Miss India being the Miss World? No matter what, us brown folks are still considered ugly, hairy and unattractive on a general basis. True say?

Now, someone mentioned about Indians complaining about western influence. You Fucking cockbreaths, you're all ungrateful for all the positive western influence that has taken place in India prior to Independance. How do you compass that with western civilization when our own country is the one suffering from the extreme population crisis due to our lack of stabilizing our Hormones? Disgusting shit actually comes from India. Our powerful religiously entailed Kamasutra has been accepted by the western society and has made several copies of high quality pornography out of it. Who was the cause of it? India. Fuckin great bastards, all Desis are hypocritical. They have no sense of reality whatsoever. Even in this current era they are the major cause of the biggest rivalry between India and Pakistan, giving the creeps out to the rest of the world. We are the primary reason why this world is so fucked up. Enough is enough.

FUCK SHIT ASS CUNT BITCH ***** I AM SO FUCKING ANGRY FUCKING CUNT MOTHER FUCKER.

Seriously, wtf?

[pachaas Paisa]

FUCK SHIT ASS CUNT BITCH ***** I AM SO FUCKING ANGRY FUCKING CUNT MOTHER FUCKER.

Seriously, wtf?


whatever I hate desis. I wish I wasnt one. It's good that I am only half desi, at least Half of me is normal

[bill]

Eh? Vat you talking?

lol and yes, quasi-sarcasm.

"Do you find modelling also disgraceful?"

Prostitution is legalised in New Zealand. I think it's brilliant.

[bill]

You should move there. :idea:

Depends on what kind of modelling I suppose. The idea altogether doesn't appeal to me though.

Am already a proud citizen, yar.

[bill]

Lucky bastard. Whatever. Canayda > all. :neutral:

You're a Canadian too? Why are all the cool girls from Canadia?!

Wait, you're not Elizabeth Cuthbert are you?

[bill]

Nah, not being sarcastic, frustrated rather. There be no cool girl next doors here.

Seriously though, from Canadia? Girl Next Door? Hmmmmm. :suspicious:

[bill]

Boys next door sounds like an indie band. Are you indie?

I don't doubt you're from Canadia, you have that look. I'm wondering if you're ms cuthbert in disguise. :squint:

[bill]

lol, that I am not.

Damn it, you caught me red handed. When I'm not on set for a movie or doing the thangs that Important Hollywood People do, I browse RD. It's a weakness.

Important Hollywood People. Hah.

And don't worry, I too am guilty of said weakness.

[pachaas Paisa]

I'm eskimo. Do you wish you were me?


No but I wish I was yours..

























bwaha, you got punked :p

[pachaas Paisa]

:rofl: :|


:hand:

You no talkie with me, so :hand:

[bill]

Aren't we all. It's tragic.

I proved that I can stay away though. Thus I am better. Yay.

[TYPE_R_GINO]

Lucky bastard. Whatever. Canayda > all. :neutral:


:werd:

Canada rockz!!!!!!!! :dance3:

[bill]

psh, only because you were lamed. With a capital L, at that.

I was Lamed 'cause I was a Rebel for The Cause. What kind of badassery have YOU displayed, hmmm?

[Chronos]

it's amusing how a lot of people who are against beauty pageants hold their own beauty queens with a lot of admiration. for a country that seemingly has much opposition to beauty contests on account that it is "a disgrace to the culture", India has consistently produced reknowned beauty queens who then get nationwide respect.

[imprt_fghtr1]

WHY do we need to have these peagents in the first place? For Example: Miss India Canada ? Not to sound conventional or orthodox but whats the point in indulging in such baseless activities? waste of time, waste of money and a TOTAL ridicule of the Indian values..

why do all these girls need to show off their bodies to a bunch of idiots sittin in the audience measuring every inch and bit of the girls' bodies? just to get acknowldeged for being beautiful? not to generalize or question their morals, but to me these girls appear to be low on self esteem.. girls who want to be reassured that they're beautiful.. if thats not the case, than these girls seem to be desperate to break away from the conventional miss-goodie two shoes image that ppl generally have for desi girls ??

Being modern and having a progressive approach on life is one thing, but to loose one's cultural values and traditional outlook is not needed to be considered members of a progressive society

[adren@line]

WHY do we need to have these peagents in the first place? For Example: Miss India Canada ? Not to sound conventional or orthodox but whats the point in indulging in such baseless activities? waste of time, waste of money and a TOTAL ridicule of the Indian values..

why do all these girls need to show off their bodies to a bunch of idiots sittin in the audience measuring every inch and bit of the girls' bodies? just to get acknowldeged for being beautiful? not to generalize or question their morals, but to me these girls appear to be low on self esteem.. girls who want to be reassured that they're beautiful.. if thats not the case, than these girls seem to be desperate to break away from the conventional miss-goodie two shoes image that ppl generally have for desi girls ??

Being modern and having a progressive approach on life is one thing, but to loose one's cultural values and traditional outlook is not needed to be considered members of a progressive society
why would a Paki care about what India does with its women?
Indians are more progressive and liberal.
Pakis are the opposite.

So you cant lump Indian and Pakistani mindsets into one broad category or generalization.

[imprt_fghtr1]

why would a Paki care about what India does with its women?
Indians are more progressive and liberal.
Pakis are the opposite.

So you cant lump Indian and Pakistani mindsets into one broad category or generalization.

What's wrong with it if I want to know how many indians oppose or support beauty pageants ?? I clearly stated in one of my earlier post that some guy told me in India, almost nobody oppose beauty pageants, so I just wanted to see what indians has to say about that ....... I never asked anyone to compare "pak" and "indian". Nobody did, except you. anyways, you're entitled to your opinion.

[Chronos]

Views of the minority vs. propagation of majority ideals.

that's true to some extent but it's hard to draw any tanglible line between minority views and majority ideals. there are a number of people who openly laud beauty queens and models but when it comes to their own family getting into the act, they'll scream moider. it seems people confuse their own feelings on a lot of issues, and many also don't realize that beauty contests winners are judged on their ambitions, talents and intellect too (which you may or may not choose to laugh at).

of course if you're ugly, you might as well not even bother.

[lili420]

why would a Paki care about what India does with its women?
Indians are more progressive and liberal.
Pakis are the opposite.

So you cant lump Indian and Pakistani mindsets into one broad category or generalization.
o just shut the fuck up already. did he even mention his being a pakistani or not? hell i still dont know, cuz i havent been to his profile. he was wondering about something and asked for opinions, you agree fine...you dont...you state your opinion if u wish . otherwise stfu and leave. this thread is no indo-pak war thread...sorry.

[vimi]

I just don't see anything positive in these Beauty Contests such as Miss India, Miss World, etc etc ..... If it's just for fun and to showcase women, I'd be fine with it but for people to say it makes you modern or liberated is just BS because it doesn't do any of that

I would like to see how Indians view beauty contests, how many indians support this or oppose this and WHY ??

I know, even harsher criticism came from Hindu rightist groups like Shiv Sena, which said these women had cheapened Hindu womanhood. However, mainstream India, including the political establishment, was fully supportive, taking the crowning of the two women as an achievement for India.

Leftists and rightists in India find themselves in the same boat when it comes to opposing beauty pageants. Leftists say it is merely a gimmick supported by capitalists of the West to sell their products to Third World by showing the faces of these beauty queens which they themselves anoint. No wonder, they say, two Indian women simultaneously won World and Universe crowns at the time India was switching over to market economy.

I think When India hosted the Miss Universe in November 1996, Many Hindus demonstrated against what they said was Western cultural invasion. They were shooed away by the police and the event passed off peacefully.
u must be a fag

[bill]

LOL, badassery, what a sexcellent word.

Yesterday, I drove over the speed limit.

Booyah. :cool:

Was it burst speeding or continuous?

Either way, where I come from - there be no speed limits!

[bill]

Damn it. You win.

I lied.

We have speed limits. :ashamed:

[bill]

I tried.

And I got fined. Gaaaaaaaaad damnit.