What is a Sikh?

[addiction01]

Inspired the movie Cunard posted, I want to know how many non-Sikh desi people know what a Sikh is.

So, tell me, what do YOU think a Sikh is? Refrain from Googling.

:drdodgy:

[addiction01]

Bump

[Fatty4life]

Turbinator :drdodgy:

[MolviCorleone]

an ay-rab extremist

[$H@MZ]

Thats such a generalised question so im going to give a generalised answer... it is a member of the Sikhism community

[Gimmeck]

As in definition of Sikh?

[addiction01]

:rolleyes:

:drdodgy:

[HiGHland~Heather]

a person to adheres to the tenets of the Sikh faith? :sarb:

[addiction01]

As in definition of Sikh?
Yes, what do you think a Sikh is. What comes to mind?

:drdodgy:

[Gimmeck]

Yes, what do you think a Sikh is. What comes to mind?

:drdodgy:
I think you are more interested in hearing from non Sikhs.

[HiGHland~Heather]

If ur looking for the stereotypical answer then all the ones that come to mind are:

Someone who speaks punjabi
Loves/Can Dance to Bhangra :dance3:
Bend it Like Beckham
Someone who goes to a gurudwara for worship
Guys who wear a turban
Sunny Deol :Puker:

Well some of the above are facts, but yeh they're the first thing that came to mind

[nyc_craziest]

hmmmm

[addiction01]

Grr... Do you people not get the question? I don't want sterotypes. I just want what's the stuff that comes to mind when you hear Sikh. Who are they? etc.

[NYzNiCCa]

sikh is pronounced as sick....which means baimaar.


i keed i keed plz dont keel me for this.

[NYzNiCCa]

hmmmm

who is that in ur sig. :rofl: :p :p

[addiction01]

If ur looking for the stereotypical answer then all the ones that come to mind are:

Someone who speaks punjabi
Loves/Can Dance to Bhangra :dance3:
Bend it Like Beckham
Someone who goes to a gurudwara for worship
Guys who wear a turban
Sunny Deol :Puker:

Well some of the above are facts, but yeh they're the first thing that came to mind
That's a decent answer. Thank you.

[addiction01]

sikh is pronounced as sick....which means baimaar.


i keed i keed plz dont keel me for this.
ungli chaat kai marja :hand:

:drdodgy:

[Fake Desi Boy]

Inspired the movie Cunard posted, I want to know how many non-Sikh desi people know what a Sikh is.

So, tell me, what do YOU think a Sikh is? Refrain from Googling.

:drdodgy:
<----me
my def of a sikh is RDB n jazzy b lol.
but seriously. a sikh is someone who follows the religion of sikhism. usually people who's cuture and family originated from Punjab Hindustan.

[vimi]

Turbinator :drdodgy:
well said

[Shortyy]

sikh is pronounced as sick....which means baimaar.


i keed i keed plz dont keel me for this.
LOOOL!!

[...Hero...]

Sikhism ... Emergeed as a kinda middleway between Hinduism and Islam

Sikhs were seen as warriors who protected Bharat (India) from muslim invasions from the North

[addiction01]

<----me
my def of a sikh is RDB n jazzy b lol.
but seriously. a sikh is someone who follows the religion of sikhism. usually people who's cuture and family originated from Punjab Hindustan.
Thanks, for an appropriate answer.

:drdodgy:

[addiction01]

Sikhism ... Emergeed as a kinda middleway between Hinduism and IslamSikhs were seen as warriors who protected Bharat (India) from muslim invasions from the North
weird i always thought you were sikh. but i guess not.

that statement is actually an incorrect statement.

:drdodgy:

[Shortyy]

Sikhism ... Emergeed as a kinda middleway between Hinduism and Islam

Sikhs were seen as warriors who protected Bharat (India) from muslim invasions from the North
Hmm....

[Ketamine-Abuse]

Wears a tyrban and goes to the temple to get free munchies

[CashMoneyHoes]

Sikhism ... Emergeed as a kinda middleway between Hinduism and Islam

Sikhs were seen as warriors who protected Bharat (India) from muslim invasions from the North
I hate when people fucking say that type of shit. We didnt emerge from Hindiusm nor Islam. AND SIKHISM IS NOT A MIX OF BOTH RELIGONS LIKE A BUNCH OF PEOPLE THINK.

I know you said to stay away from google defining but I want to point out something which is a common mistake about non-sikhs approaching Sikhism.
Strictly taken out of google (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&defl=en&q=define:Sikh&sa=X&oi=glossary_definition&ct=title)

(Literally the word Sikh means a student or learner) A Sikh is a member of a religious order founded by Guru Nanak in the 15th century. He is a believer in one 'God' and a keeper of His 'IMAGE'. To say that SIKHISM is a branch of Hinduism is as much correct or incorrect as to say that Christianity is a branch of Judaism.

[addiction01]

I hate when people fucking say that type of shit. We didnt emerge from Hindiusm nor Islam. AND SIKHISM IS NOT A MIX OF BOTH RELIGONS LIKE A BUNCH OF PEOPLE THINK.

I know you said to stay away from google defining but I want to point out something which is a common mistake about non-sikhs approaching Sikhism.
Strictly taken out of google (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&defl=en&q=define:Sikh&sa=X&oi=glossary_definition&ct=title)

(Literally the word Sikh means a student or learner) A Sikh is a member of a religious order founded by Guru Nanak in the 15th century. He is a believer in one 'God' and a keeper of His 'IMAGE'. To say that SIKHISM is a branch of Hinduism is as much correct or incorrect as to say that Christianity is a branch of Judaism.

Good job.

:drdodgy:

[Z4K5T4R]

weird i always thought you were sikh. but i guess not.

that statement is actually an incorrect statement.

:drdodgy:I know Sikhs always say that Sikhism is an individual religion which i agree completely. But when they go to say that it has no influences of Hinduism and Islam that's when i start to wonder many things. For example if Guru Nanak was born as a Hindu and also during the time Islam was a strong religion then surely for Him to have created a religion as whole would have had some influences from these two particular religions?

The religion itself is very new only been around for 500 years so by the time Sikhism was created the other religions were old and some aspects of those religions would've reflected in Sikhism.

If you notice all religion have one direction which is to bring the good so whether we perform it in different way it's always for the good not for the bad.
^^ That's my opinion whether you agree or not.

[addiction01]

I know Sikhs always say that Sikhism is an individual religion which i agree completely. But when they go to say that it has no influences of Hinduism and Islam that's when i start to wonder many things. For example if Guru Nanak was born as a Hindu and also during the time Islam was a strong religion then surely for Him to have created a religion as whole would have had some influences from these two particular religions?

The religion itself is very new only been around for 500 years so by the time Sikhism was created the other religions were old and some aspects of those religions would've reflected in Sikhism.

^^ That's my opinion whether you agree or not.
Everyone is entitled their own opinion right? Be it correct or not, is dependant on the person who's reading it.

:drdodgy:

[addiction01]

http://forums.ratedesi.com/showthread.php?t=156784

Check it out. This thread was inspire by the link posted above.

:drdodgy:

[CashMoneyHoes]

Everyone is entitled their own opinion right? Be it correct or not, is dependant on the person who's reading it.

:drdodgy:
They are entitled their own opinion true but its different when its auctually a fact right?

[Phish]

bloop bloop

[Z4K5T4R]

I hate when people fucking say that type of shit. We didnt emerge from Hindiusm nor Islam. AND SIKHISM IS NOT A MIX OF BOTH RELIGONS LIKE A BUNCH OF PEOPLE THINK.

I know you said to stay away from google defining but I want to point out something which is a common mistake about non-sikhs approaching Sikhism.
Strictly taken out of google (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&defl=en&q=define:Sikh&sa=X&oi=glossary_definition&ct=title)

(Literally the word Sikh means a student or learner) A Sikh is a member of a religious order founded by Guru Nanak in the 15th century. He is a believer in one 'God' and a keeper of His 'IMAGE'. To say that SIKHISM is a branch of Hinduism is as much correct or incorrect as to say that Christianity is a branch of Judaism.
I know Judaism, Islam and Christianity tend to be classified from the same tree but on different branches - because of us having prophets. Hinduism and Sikhism tend to be classified closely together - mostly because their beliefs are along the same content. Which does not necassary mean that the religion is from the same branch just means that both have similarities and were formed from the same place and so and so.

[Z4K5T4R]

Everyone is entitled their own opinion right? Be it correct or not, is dependant on the person who's reading it.

:drdodgy:People tend to take things the wrong way - So here i am explaining my sid eof things i bet you someone will jump on my fucking arse and say '' No SIkhism isn't from this and that'' yeh i kind of gathered that mate the whole point is the religion is new and it had influences of other religions too.

[SillyKitty]

:think:

[addiction01]

They are entitled their own opinion true but its different when its auctually a fact right?
The thing is I'm Sikh to and when someone tells me I'm just a faction of Hinduism or Islam obviously it's going to anger me right? But I'm not going to fight some girl on the forums when you've obviously provided sufficient evidence in you prior post to prove her wrong. If she still wants to be ignorant and blind even with the fact infront of her I can't do much.

:drdodgy:

[...Hero...]

weird i always thought you were sikh. but i guess not.

that statement is actually an incorrect statement.

:drdodgy:

My mother is Sikh...

Its not incorrect...

[addiction01]

People tend to take things the wrong way - So here i am explaining my sid eof things i bet you someone will jump on my fucking arse and say '' No SIkhism isn't from this and that'' yeh i kind of gathered that mate the whole point is the religion is new and it had influences of other religions too.
Like I said I'm not here to persuade you. I find it funny how outsiders percieve us a lot different from what we are. But I'm not jumping no arses. The facts speak for themselves. I don't need to ellaborate on them to make them more true. You know what I mean?

:drdodgy:

[addiction01]

My mother is Sikh...

Its not incorrect...
Yes it is. Sikhism hasn't been derived from two different relgions. Thanks, come again. :D


:drdodgy:

[Punjabi_Link]

People need to realize that not all Sikhs are Punjabi. There are white, black and even Hispanic Sikhs too. You can find Sikhs all over world. In fact, you can find Sikhs in countries like Iran, Mexico, Brazil etc.

[SillyKitty]

My mother is Sikh...

Its not incorrect...


how about your dad.. and you?

[Enammmmm]

a person who practices sikhism who is Punjabi?

[...Hero...]

I hate when people fucking say that type of shit. We didnt emerge from Hindiusm nor Islam. AND SIKHISM IS NOT A MIX OF BOTH RELIGONS LIKE A BUNCH OF PEOPLE THINK.

I know you said to stay away from google defining but I want to point out something which is a common mistake about non-sikhs approaching Sikhism.
Strictly taken out of google (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&defl=en&q=define:Sikh&sa=X&oi=glossary_definition&ct=title)

(Literally the word Sikh means a student or learner) A Sikh is a member of a religious order founded by Guru Nanak in the 15th century. He is a believer in one 'God' and a keeper of His 'IMAGE'. To say that SIKHISM is a branch of Hinduism is as much correct or incorrect as to say that Christianity is a branch of Judaism.

Dude your being militant... calm down...

Dont let google tell you what is and what is not... that is sad

...Sikhism shares similarities with both religions Islam and Hinduism and emerged at a time when there was alot of conflict between the two...

It didnt come about for no reason... there was a reason...there was motive and thats what it was...

...and calm down this is only a discussion

[WildWolfdog]

All's i know is, when i was very young "6-7" i used to make corny jokes using the work Sikh instead of sick ... like "and the guy said, I don't need to go to the doctor just because i'm sikh" .. :no:

[addiction01]

a person who practices sikhism who is Punjabi?
That's a common misperception Enaam. A Sikh does not have to be Punjabi.

[Z4K5T4R]

Dude your being militant... calm down...

Dont let google tell you what is and what is not... that is sad

...Sikhism shares similarities with both religions Islam and Hinduism and emerged at a time when there was alot of conflict between the two...

It didnt come about for no reason... there was a reason...there was motive and thats what it was...

...and calm down this is only a discussion
Thank god at least there is someone who knows what they are talking about. Oh the wonders of Google.

[Z4K5T4R]

The thing is I'm Sikh to and when someone tells me I'm just a faction of Hinduism or Islam obviously it's going to anger me right? But I'm not going to fight some girl on the forums when you've obviously provided sufficient evidence in you prior post to prove her wrong. If she still wants to be ignorant and blind even with the fact infront of her I can't do much.

:drdodgy:
Dude, you should learn to read rather than assuming things. I said Sikhism is a complete different religions. But obviously during that time, there would have been influences of other religions to have formed itself. All religions have the same meaning.

[HiGHland~Heather]

People need to realize that not all Sikhs are Punjabi. There are white, black and even Hispanic Sikhs too. You can find Sikhs all over world. In fact, you can find Sikhs in countries like Iran, Mexico, Brazil etc.


I heard this sikh girl going on abt this, but I have never seen or heard of anyone who converted to Sikhism, would be interesting actually.

[addiction01]

Dude, you should learn to read rather than assuming things. I said Sikhism is a complete different religions. But obviously during that time, there would have been influences of other religions to have formed itself. All religions have the same meaning.
Um mate was that directed towards you in any shape or form? No. He asked why I took your opinion. Just s'plainin. Kay thanks.


:drdodgy:

[...Hero...]

how about your dad.. and you?

My mother was from a Sikh family...My father a Hindu family

I am Hindu Punjabi... we go to the mandir...gurdwara both are the same

There are silly Sikh and Hindu people in the world who dont understand that they essentially entail the samething...

I know my stuff...but the Sikhs in this thread have too much pride to somehow admit that Sikh was due to evolution... I dont see anything wrong with it...

Those are the facts...

[...Hero...]

Thank god at least there is someone who knows what they are talking about. Oh the wonders of Google.

I read what you wrote before... you are correct

[Punjabi_Link]

I heard this sikh girl going on abt this, but I have never seen or heard of anyone who converted to Sikhism, would be interesting actually.


Depends where you live......I know in America, you can find a lot of non-Punjabi Sikhs.

[addiction01]

This is NOT a front for non-Sikhs to fight or degrade our religion its to share what you think. I didn't ask you to battle us or call us too proud. This is just a medium to see wot non-Sikh think of us and try to clear up any mis-perceptions. I think a Sikh would know a little bit more about their religion than one who is not of the faith. So state your opinion, that's highly encouraged but try doing it without degrading the integrity of our religion. Kay? Thanks.


Oh and pride? I'm sure you have pride in your religion too. I'm sorry I'm not goin to be ashamed about being Sikh. If you think that's a flaw, so be it. Merci.


:drdodgy:

[desi_balla63]

Sick wid it.

[SillyKitty]

My mother was from a Sikh family...My father a Hindu family

I am Hindu Punjabi... we go to the mandir...gurdwara both are the same

There are silly Sikh and Hindu people in the world who dont understand that they essentially entail the samething...

I know my stuff...but the Sikhs in this thread have too much pride to somehow admit that Sikh was due to evolution... I dont see anything wrong with it...

Those are the facts...


:) cool

yea i get you... i guess its hard to admit it .. and
i dont blame any one..becuase its about Pride.. even though i have read the same things u just mentioned in my 8th grade history class..

its the same with Judaism, Christianity.. and Islam too..

the christians say that Islam is just a Spin off religion from Christianity.. when Jewish say the same abut Christianity .. that its a spin off from Judaism.. :no:

[...Hero...]

This is NOT a front for non-Sikhs to fight or degrade our religion its to share what you think. I didn't ask you to battle us or call us too proud. This is just a medium to see wot non-Sikh think of us and try to clear up any mis-perceptions. I think a Sikh would know a little bit more about their religion than one who is not of the faith. So state your opinion, that's highly encouraged but try doing it without degrading the integrity of our religion. Kay? Thanks.


Oh and pride? I'm sure you have pride in your religion too. I'm sorry I'm not goin to be ashamed about being Sikh. If you think that's a flaw, so be it. Merci.


:drdodgy:

Hmm... were you saying that to me?

[Z4K5T4R]

This is NOT a front for non-Sikhs to fight or degrade our religion its to share what you think. I didn't ask you to battle us or call us too proud. This is just a medium to see wot non-Sikh think of us and try to clear up any mis-perceptions. I think a Sikh would know a little bit more about their religion than one who is not of the faith. So state your opinion, that's highly encouraged but try doing it without degrading the integrity of our religion. Kay? Thanks.


Oh and pride? I'm sure you have pride in your religion too. I'm sorry I'm not goin to be ashamed about being Sikh. If you think that's a flaw, so be it. Merci.


:drdodgy:No ones degrading Sikhism, no on is fighting over SIkhism. We're merely saying what we believe in and what we think in general. You wanted non SIkhs opinions and this is what you are getting. If it isn't to a satisfactory level then be it. Don't make threads where you don't expect some sort of retaliation.

And yes one man showing pride towards his religion is natural. Afterall, we are human we have selfish needs we think we are each of our own religion is the right path. Only time can tell.

[*ApNi_KuRi*]

Yes Sikhism was brought into the world at a time when there were religious conflicts between Hindus and Muslims. But saying Sikhism is a medium between the two is completely false. Watch the video Sikh in the Street that Cunard has posted in his thread.

The misjudgement is that you guys are bringing Culture within Religion.

We have similar Cultures, but completely different religions. Hindus believe in multiple gods as we believe in One. We believe in equality of all regardless of class, gender, ethnicity and religious beliefs.

As of Islam. Yes we have some scriptures of islam prophets in our Guru Granth Sahib Ji, but that's the closest connection we have to the religion.

[Z4K5T4R]

Hmm... were you saying that to me?Oh golly gosh he/she is picking on you now? WHat's up with that shemale. :lol:

[Enammmmm]

Sikhism ... Emergeed as a kinda middleway between Hinduism and Islam

Sikhs were seen as warriors who protected Bharat (India) from muslim invasions from the North


WOW both of those statements have made "THE MOST RETARDED SHIT TO SAY" of the day :rofl:

[Enammmmm]

That's a common misperception Enaam. A Sikh does not have to be Punjabi.


no? but the origin nationality is punjabi no?

[dandiwal_jatt]

WOW both of those statements have made "THE MOST RETARDED SHIT TO SAY" of the day :rofl:
well the second one in kind of true

[...Hero...]

:) cool

yea i get you... i guess its hard to admit it .. and
i dont blame any one..becuase its about Pride

its the same with Judaism, Christianity.. and Islam too..

the christians say that Islam is just a Spin off religion from Christianity.. when Jewish say the same abut Christianity too.. that its a spin off from Judaism.. :no:

Im not saying its a bad thing... evolution is normal... its all good, there should be no reason to feel prideful or even ashamed as to why Sikhism came about. As with any religion. Just because I say it was evolution does not mean that it was not a calling from the almighty god to Guru Nanak Ji to create it. But the way it was formed... the timing... its all so obvious...Guru Nanak Ji tried to bring the Hindu's and Muslims together so that they could live in peace... The Guru Granth Sahib mentions the Hindu gods... and even Guru Nanak Ji went to Mecha... its all linked...everything has a reason... But some people are il-educated and have one way of thinking....anyway addication calm down...your of my own...I respect you I would not diss you...please read what I am saying as just a discussion and please dont be upset...I will ask my relatives about this when I go to India in 3 weeks...I guess maybe even I can learn about it

[dandiwal_jatt]

no? but the origin nationality is punjabi no?
originated in today's Pak Punjab

[...Hero...]

WOW both of those statements have made "THE MOST RETARDED SHIT TO SAY" of the day :rofl:

Your a clown...dont speak again

[Z4K5T4R]

Yes Sikhism was brought into the world at a time when there were religious conflicts between Hindus and Muslims. But saying Sikhism is a medium between the two is completely false. Watch the video Sikh in the Street that Cunard has posted in his thread.

The misjudgement is that you guys are bringing Culture within Religion.

We have similar Cultures, but completely different religions. Hindus believe in multiple gods as we believe in One. We believe in equality of all regardless of class, gender, ethnicity and religious beliefs.

As of Islam. Yes we have some scriptures of islam prophets in our Guru Granth Sahib Ji, but that's the closest connection we have to the religion.Again, you have misinterpretted the content I have written.

I'll write it up in bullet points so people can understand -


Sikhism complete different religion
Similarities between Islam/Hinduism and Sikhism due to the time it was developed.
Alot of similarities between Hinduism and Sikhism - the praying techniques, general things
And again please remember i am not saying they are the same religion just have their similarities therefore they are put into the same content which shouldnt be taken as an insult afterall Guru Nanak was a born Hindu - so obviously there will be something thats the same.
The religions are not COMPLETELY different because if there were then what is the meaning of life? All religions = Good and have the same outline the same concept.
Cultures and religions are two different things and am sure people know the differences betwen the two.

[...Hero...]

Oh golly gosh he/she is picking on you now? WHat's up with that shemale. :lol:

lol no no dont get up set at addiction..I think it is a girl... this isnt about fighting or calling one another names...its cool were learning about diff perspectives...its the only way to learn

[Z4K5T4R]

lol no no dont get up set at addiction..I think it is a girl... this isnt about fighting or calling one another names...its cool were learning about diff perspectives...its the only way to learn
i don't pick on people am just wondering whats up he/she finger pointing at people but not naming names.

[*ApNi_KuRi*]

Again, you have misinterpretted the content I have written.

I'll write it up in bullet points so people can understand -


Sikhism complete different religion
Similarities between Islam/Hinduism and Sikhism due to the time it was developed.
Alot of similarities between Hinduism and Sikhism - the praying techniques, general things
And again please remember i am not saying they are the same religion just have their similarities therefore they are put into the same content which shouldnt be taken as an insult afterall Guru Nanak was a born Hindu - so obviously there will be something thats the same.
The religions are not COMPLETELY different because if there were then what is the meaning of life? All religions = Good and have the same outline the same concept.
Cultures and religions are two different things and am sure people know the differences betwen the two.

I'm not saying i've gotten that from your posts, I'm just saying that some people tend to say Sikhism is just another form of Hinduism/Islam, which pisses me off.

There are tiny similarities, but if you do some research about Guru Nanak Ji, you'll learn that even at a young age, he questioned the Hindu religion even at 5 years old.

And alot of misconceptions of Sikhi are brought upon by cultural aspects, not religious aspects which also pisses me off.

Just my 2 cents here.

[RacingSoul]

Sikhism ... Emergeed as a kinda middleway between Hinduism and Islam

Sikhs were seen as warriors who protected Bharat (India) from muslim invasions from the North

sikhs werent always warriors, i believe sikhism started out as a religion for ppl who werent satisfied with certain teachings of hinduism & islam & basically preached love for all, equality and stuff like that...the sikh army was organized by Guru Gobind Singhji called Khalsa & He was the 7th guru if im not mistaken.

[...Hero...]

Yes Sikhism was brought into the world at a time when there were religious conflicts between Hindus and Muslims. But saying Sikhism is a medium between the two is completely false. Watch the video Sikh in the Street that Cunard has posted in his thread.

The misjudgement is that you guys are bringing Culture within Religion.

We have similar Cultures, but completely different religions. Hindus believe in multiple gods as we believe in One. We believe in equality of all regardless of class, gender, ethnicity and religious beliefs.

As of Islam. Yes we have some scriptures of islam prophets in our Guru Granth Sahib Ji, but that's the closest connection we have to the religion.

Biggest misconception... Hindus believe in one god ...Paramatma (Supreme Self), Parameshwar (Supreme Lord), Parampita (Supreme Father). Iswara, Maheswara, Bhagawan, Purusha, Purushottama, Hiranyagarbha and so on.

God is one, but also many. He manifests Himself in many forms and shapes.

[Enammmmm]

Your a clown...dont speak again


Oh yeah Im the clown here. MUSLIM WARRIORS :roflbow:

[Punjabi_Link]

Again, you have misinterpretted the content I have written.

I'll write it up in bullet points so people can understand -


Sikhism complete different religion
Similarities between Islam/Hinduism and Sikhism due to the time it was developed.
Alot of similarities between Hinduism and Sikhism - the praying techniques, general things
And again please remember i am not saying they are the same religion just have their similarities therefore they are put into the same content which shouldnt be taken as an insult afterall Guru Nanak was a born Hindu - so obviously there will be something thats the same.
The religions are not COMPLETELY different because if there were then what is the meaning of life? All religions = Good and have the same outline the same concept.
Cultures and religions are two different things and am sure people know the differences betwen the two.


Huh? The only similarities Sikhism has with Hinduism is that they both believe in reincarnation, karma and maya.

[Enammmmm]

well the second one in kind of true


Im almost sure its true, but that wasnt the point....


the point was that he wrote Sikhs were KNOWN for that. Uh no. Their unique fighting style yes perhaps maybe.

[...Hero...]

sikhs werent always warriors, i believe sikhism started out as a religion for ppl who werent satisfied with certain teachings of hinduism & islam & basically preached love for all, equality and stuff like that...the sikh army was organized by Guru Gobind Singhji called Khalsa & He was the 7th guru if im not mistaken.

He was the 10th and last Guru

[*ApNi_KuRi*]

sikhs werent always warriors, i believe sikhism started out as a religion for ppl who werent satisfied with certain teachings of hinduism & islam & basically preached love for all, equality and stuff like that...the sikh army was organized by Guru Gobind Singhji called Khalsa & He was the 7th guru if im not mistaken.
10th Guru.

[SillyKitty]

Im not saying its a bad thing... evolution is normal... its all good, there should be no reason to feel prideful or even ashamed as to why Sikhism came about. As with any religion. Just because I say it was evolution does not mean that it was not a calling from the almighty god to Guru Nanak Ji to create it. But the way it was formed... the timing... its all so obvious...Guru Nanak Ji tried to bring the Hindu's and Muslims together so that they could live in peace... The Guru Granth Sahib mentions the Hindu gods... and even Guru Nanak Ji went to Mecha... its all linked...everything has a reason... But some people are il-educated and have one way of thinking....anyway addication calm down...your of my own...I respect you I would not diss you...please read what I am saying as just a discussion and please dont be upset...I will ask my relatives about this when I go to India in 3 weeks...I guess maybe even I can learn about it


i know what u talkin about.. cuz i have read taht in my history class..about the things u mentioned.. and more.. like.. the conflicts between muslims and sikhs..

and i have read some bits and pieces of the stores about how Guru Nanak Ji tried to bring the two religions together.. in Sikhism

I guess in every religion.. there are some people with extreme thinkings, so they wanna deny that part..

But ya.. i think u should do that.. (goin to India and learning more about your Mom's religion.. ) who knows the text books cud be wrong :dunno: lol maybe people wrote it with their own veiw.. with out further researching it.. :p

[Enammmmm]

sikhs werent always warriors, i believe sikhism started out as a religion for ppl who werent satisfied with certain teachings of hinduism & islam & basically preached love for all, equality and stuff like that...the sikh army was organized by Guru Gobind Singhji called Khalsa & He was the 7th guru if im not mistaken.


exactly.

[*ApNi_KuRi*]

He was the 10th and last Guru
Last Guru in Human form.

Guru Sri Granth Sahib Ji (our holy book) is known as our living Guru. We treat it as our Guru. We put it to rest after the last prayer in a bed, and we give upmost respect to it.

[*ApNi_KuRi*]

Biggest misconception... Hindus believe in one god ...Paramatma (Supreme Self), Parameshwar (Supreme Lord), Parampita (Supreme Father). Iswara, Maheswara, Bhagawan, Purusha, Purushottama, Hiranyagarbha and so on.

God is one, but also many. He manifests Himself in many forms and shapes.
Wow, I'm sorry.

I never knew that.

[Punjabi_Link]

edit*

[...Hero...]

Huh? The only similarities Sikhism has with Hinduism is that they both believe in reincarnation, karma and maya.

When I got to the Gurdwara and Mandir I take my shoes off wash my hands

I kneel down and pray and put money in both...

I sit down and listen to whatever holy hyme is happening

If there is a hyme that we are ment to sing to or repeat words I do it at both...

I get Prasaad (karaah or fruit at the mandir)

I bow again and walk out...


I see no difference

:no:

[RacingSoul]

10th Guru.

thank you. :D

[HiGHland~Heather]

Last Guru in Human form.

Guru Sri Granth Sahib Ji (our holy book) is known as our living Guru. We treat it as our Guru. We put it to rest after the last prayer in a bed, and we give upmost respect to it.

omg, that's so cute, I never knew that.

So do most sikhs have a little room set aside for prayers like a mini-temple?

[...Hero...]

Last Guru in Human form.

Guru Sri Granth Sahib Ji (our holy book) is known as our living Guru. We treat it as our Guru. We put it to rest after the last prayer in a bed, and we give upmost respect to it.

true

[Punjabi_Link]

When I got to the Gurdwara and Mandir I take my shoes off wash my hands

I kneel down and pray and put money in both...

I sit down and listen to whatever holy hyme is happening

If there is a hyme that we are ment to sing to or repeat words I do it at both...

I get Prasaad (karaah or fruit at the mandir)

I bow again and walk out...


I see no difference

:no:

WTF? LOL

So what? Have you read Guru Granth Sahib before?

[RacingSoul]

He was the 10th and last Guru

the 11th guru is the holy book Guru Granth Sahib

[*ApNi_KuRi*]

omg, that's so cute, I never knew that.

So do most sikhs have a little room set aside for prayers like a mini-temple?
Cute?

Well Amritari Sikhs (baptized sikhs) have a Guru Granth Sahib in their homes, and treat it with the same respect and do the same customs as they would do in the Gurudawara.

[Punjabi_Link]

sikhs werent always warriors, i believe sikhism started out as a religion for ppl who werent satisfied with certain teachings of hinduism & islam & basically preached love for all, equality and stuff like that...the sikh army was organized by Guru Gobind Singhji called Khalsa & He was the 7th guru if im not mistaken.

umm the Sikh religion became militarized after the death of Guru Arjan Ji. (5th Guru Of Sikhi)

[*ApNi_KuRi*]

thank you. :D
ju welcome :).

[Enammmmm]

So now are we saying that Hinduism (practice in belief of one god and all of the above listed?) is just like Christianity (practice in belief of one god-holy father-holy son-holy spirit?)



:no:

[...Hero...]

i know what u talkin about.. cuz i have read taht in my history class..about the things u mentioned.. and more.. like.. the conflicts between muslims and sikhs..

and i have read some bits and pieces of the stores about how Guru Nanak Ji tried to bring the two religions together.. in Sikhism

I guess in every religion.. there are some people with extreme thinkings, so they wanna deny that part..

But ya.. i think u should do that.. (goin to India and learning more about your Mom's religion.. ) who knows the text books cud be wrong :dunno: lol maybe people wrote it with their own veiw.. with out further researching it.. :p

...Whatever the truth is...at the end of the day when I go to the Gurdwara or Mandir I have heard them say that different gods dont matter...be what you like just be god and believe in god... so on that note I will leave this thread...I have said what needed to be said

[*ApNi_KuRi*]

So now are we saying that Hinduism (practice in belief of one god and all of the above listed?) is just like Christianity (practice in belief of one god-holy father-holy son-holy spirit?)



:no:
It may have similarities, but it's not "just like" Christianity.

[HiGHland~Heather]

Cute?

Well Amritari Sikhs (baptized sikhs) have a Guru Granth Sahib in their homes, and treat it with the same respect and do the same customs as they would do in the Gurudawara.

Are non-baptised sikhs not allowed to have it? or they just don't tend to?

[...Hero...]

WTF? LOL

So what? Have you read Guru Granth Sahib before?

The more you try to act like Sikism is on a island of its own the more you sound like a militant Khalistani...

there was no need to type "WTF"

Stop talking to me like I am an outsider...

SSA

[RacingSoul]

umm the Sikh religion became militarized after the death of Guru Arjan Ji. (5th Guru Of Sikhi)

i guess that was the time when the Mughals were around trynna convert ppl to islam...but Guru Gobind Singhji came up with Khalsa, right?

[Enammmmm]

It may have similarities, but it's not "just like" Christianity.


I see no similiarity and there is no similarities. But this would only be a well debate made between a Hindu and a Christian.

[SillyKitty]

...Whatever the truth is...at the end of the day when I go to the Gurdwara or Mandir I have heard them say that different gods dont matter...be what you like just be god and believe in god... so on that note I will leave this thread...I have said what needed to be said
:) yea.. the wierdest part is.. people still belive that Hindu's have many gods.. and Christian's god is different from Allah.. etc..

when in reallity.. the concept is the same..

and take care :wavey:

Imma leave it too..

[RacingSoul]

for more on sikh history & sikh gurus

http://www.sikhs.org/10gurus.htm

[*ApNi_KuRi*]

Are non-baptised sikhs not allowed to have it? or they just don't tend to?
Just tend not to. With the Guru Granth Sahin in your home, you can't have any meat products what so ever in the house.

As well, being a baptized Sikh and practicing it fully can be difficult and you have to be very committed.

So non baptized Sikhs tend not to have it.

[*ApNi_KuRi*]

i guess that was the time when the Mughals were around trynna convert ppl to islam...but Guru Gobind Singhji came up with Khalsa, right?
Yeah, after the martyr of Guru Arjun dev ji, the concept of Miri Piri arose. Being Spiritual and Being Warriors. All in self defense of course.

[Punjabi_Link]

i guess that was the time when the Mughals were around trynna convert ppl to islam...but Guru Gobind Singhji came up with Khalsa, right?

There was already a Sikh army way before Khalsa. Sikhi became militarized after the death of Guru Arjan Ji because the Mughals were starting to kill/target Sikhs.

Guru Arjan Ji was the first Sikh to get killed by the Mughals.

[Enammmmm]

:) yea.. the wierdest part is.. people still belive that Hindu's have many gods.. and Christian's god is different from Allah.. etc..

when in reallity.. the concept is the same..

and take care :wavey:

Imma leave it too..


The hindus believe their Gods takes different shapes and forms from what I know, so there is more than just 1 god.

The christians(some) believe in the 3 spirits of their ONE god.

But there are some other christians(the true ones to my knowledge) who know the connection between them and Muslims.

[Punjabi_Link]

The more you try to act like Sikism is on a island of its own the more you sound like a militant Khalistani...

there was no need to type "WTF"

Stop talking to me like I am an outsider...

SSA

you didn't answer my question....Have you read Guru Granth Sahib before?

[Punjabi_Link]

Just tend not to. With the Guru Granth Sahin in your home, you can't have any meat products what so ever in the house.

As well, being a baptized Sikh and practicing it fully can be difficult and you have to be very committed.

So non baptized Sikhs tend not to have it.

Nope. I have to disagree with you there. That whole meat product thing is full bullshit. Any Sikhs can have Guru Granth Sahib in their home as long it treats it with full respect.

Just for the record, there is nothing wrong with eating meat.

[*ApNi_KuRi*]

Nope. I have to disagree with you there. That whole meat product thing is full bullshit. Any Sikhs can have Guru Granth Sahib in their home as long it treats it with full respect.

Just for the record, there is nothing wrong with eating meat.
Well isn't an Amritari Sikh not supposed to eat meat?

I just heard that on a documentary I watched that people who give the Guru Granth Sahibs won't give it to people who have meat products in their homes saying it's disrespectful to the Guru Granth Sahib.

[Punjabi_Link]

Well isn't an Amritari Sikh not supposed to eat meat?

I just heard that on a documentary I watched that people who give the Guru Granth Sahibs won't give it to people who have meat products in their homes saying it's disrespect to the Guru Granth Sahib.

Here's a quote from Guru Granth Sahib about meat:

"The fools argue about flesh and meat, but they know nothing about meditation and spiritual wisdom. What is called meat, and what is called green vegetables? What leads to sin? It was the habit of the gods to kill the rhinoceros, and make a feast of the burnt offering. Those who renounce meat, and hold their noses when sitting near it, devour men at night. They practice hypocrisy, and make a show before other people, but they do not understand anything about meditation or spiritual wisdom. O Nanak, what can be said to the blind people? They cannot answer, or even understand what is said. They alone are blind, who act blindly. They have no eyes in their hearts. They are produced from the blood of their mothers and fathers, but they do not eat fish or meat." - Guru Granth Sahib (Page 1289)

[*ApNi_KuRi*]

Here's a quote from Guru Granth Sahib about meat:

"The fools argue about flesh and meat, but they know nothing about meditation and spiritual wisdom. What is called meat, and what is called green vegetables? What leads to sin? It was the habit of the gods to kill the rhinoceros, and make a feast of the burnt offering. Those who renounce meat, and hold their noses when sitting near it, devour men at night. They practice hypocrisy, and make a show before other people, but they do not understand anything about meditation or spiritual wisdom. O Nanak, what can be said to the blind people? They cannot answer, or even understand what is said. They alone are blind, who act blindly. They have no eyes in their hearts. They are produced from the blood of their mothers and fathers, but they do not eat fish or meat." - Guru Granth Sahib (Page 1289)
Oh whoa, so it's saying that meat isn't forbidden? Or am I just confused here?

Can you explain it for me?

[HiGHland~Heather]

The hindus believe their Gods takes different shapes and forms from what I know, so there is more than just 1 god.

The christians(some) believe in the 3 spirits of their ONE god.

But there are some other christians(the true ones to my knowledge) who know the connection between them and Muslims.

Unitarians - don't believe in trinity.

but back to Sikhism.....


This vegetarian thing confuses me, someone even quoted from the Guru Granth Sahib justifying how vegetarianism is not a part of Sikhism? :dunno:


Actually, with all due respect wat really confuses me abt Sikhism is every sikh I have ever met almost always gives me a different answer wen i ask about eating meat/drinking alcohol, relation to hinduism and wearing of the turban!

[Punjabi_Link]

Oh whoa, so it's saying that meat isn't forbidden? Or am I just confused here?

Can you explain it for me?


Sikh can eat meat as long it's not halal meat.

Anyway, the whole point of Sikhi is to get away of following stupid rituals like not eating meat..

[HiGHland~Heather]

Here's a quote from Guru Granth Sahib about meat:

"The fools argue about flesh and meat, but they know nothing about meditation and spiritual wisdom. What is called meat, and what is called green vegetables? What leads to sin? It was the habit of the gods to kill the rhinoceros, and make a feast of the burnt offering. Those who renounce meat, and hold their noses when sitting near it, devour men at night. They practice hypocrisy, and make a show before other people, but they do not understand anything about meditation or spiritual wisdom. O Nanak, what can be said to the blind people? They cannot answer, or even understand what is said. They alone are blind, who act blindly. They have no eyes in their hearts. They are produced from the blood of their mothers and fathers, but they do not eat fish or meat." - Guru Granth Sahib (Page 1289)


Dammit I spent ages looking for your post..... ^ this was it :yes:

[Enammmmm]

Nope. I have to disagree with you there. That whole meat product thing is full bullshit. Any Sikhs can have Guru Granth Sahib in their home as long it treats it with full respect.

Just for the record, there is nothing wrong with eating meat.


that is what I have heard as well.

[HiGHland~Heather]

Sikh can eat meat as long it's not halal meat.

Anyway, the whole of Sikhi is to get away of following stupid rituals like not eating meat..

How about Kosher?

[Logical_Uzi]

Halaal/Kosher meat is forbidden for Sikhs because?...

[_j@tti_]

Interesting.... Hmmm

The Sikh Granths have quotes from the Hindus' nd Muslims' religious books,etc BUT the ideology in the religion is totally independent of those 2 religions ... :anxious:

[_j@tti_]

Halaal/Kosher meat is forbidden for Sikhs because?...

because our gurus thought that was painful for the animals at that time .. :sarb: .. im talking about halal meat .. i dont knw wat kosher is :anxious:

[Punjabi_Link]

How about Kosher?


Sikhs only eat jhatka meat.

[HiGHland~Heather]

because our gurus thought that was painful for the animals at that time .. :sarb: .. im talking about halal meat .. i dont knw wat kosher is :anxious:

Its the same thing - Jewish version, slaughtered in the exact same way with God's name - Yahweh instead of Allah, which is Hebrew.

[King Ghidra]

I eat beef.........

[Logical_Uzi]

because our gurus thought that was painful for the animals at that time .. :sarb: .. im talking about halal meat .. i dont knw wat kosher is :anxious:

We shouldnt go by how it looks but by what the animal feels. Scientific evidence through monitering ecg and eeg signals during slaughtering via electrodes attached to the animal show that the halal method of killing an animal is the most humane. The throat of the animal is cut with a very sharp knife cutting the jugular and carotid veins along with the trachea and oesphagus but leaving the spinal cord intact, because by severing the spinal cord it would cause the animal alot of pain. Through this way of slaughter there was no change in the eeg graph for the first three seconds, just the same how we can cut ourselves and not notcice till some time later. The following three seconds were characterised by a condition of deep sleep-like unconciousness brought about by the draining of large volumes of blood. thereafter the eeg records a zero reading showing no pain being felt at all. the bodily movements here are simply the reflex of the spinal cord and not because of pain.

But looking at the situation at the time, if anything if it was slaughtered in any other method thats painful for the animal.

[Punjabi_Link]

Its the same thing - Jewish version, slaughtered in the exact same way with God's name - Yahweh instead of Allah, which is Hebrew.


See that's thing...Sikhs don't believe in killing animals for food in name of god.

[Punjabi_Link]

I eat beef.........



so what? I eat beef too....

[Enammmmm]

We shouldnt go by how it looks but by what the animal feels. Scientific evidence through monitering ecg and eeg signals during slaughtering via electrodes attached to the animal show that the halal method of killing an animal is the most humane. The throat of the animal is cut with a very sharp knife cutting the jugular and carotid veins along with the trachea and oesphagus but leaving the spinal cord intact, because by severing the spinal cord it would cause the animal alot of pain. Through this way of slaughter there was no change in the eeg graph for the first three seconds, just the same how we can cut ourselves and not notcice till some time later. The following three seconds were characterised by a condition of deep sleep-like unconciousness brought about by the draining of large volumes of blood. thereafter the eeg records a zero reading showing no pain being felt at all. the bodily movements here are simply the reflex of the spinal cord and not because of pain.

But looking at the situation at the time, if anything if it was slaughtered in any other method thats painful for the animal.

that is some powerful useful information :shock: any links to verify it?

[HiGHland~Heather]

See that's thing...Sikhs don't believe in killing animals for food in name of god.

so u can kill animals for food, just not in name of God?

Well, me n ma friend were talking about it other day. And to us it's like they are creations of God, and its like taking His permission before doing so.

Before you eat, do u not say prayers to thank God for the blessing of having food to eat? <--- diff topic I know

[King Ghidra]

so what? I eat beef too....

wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

Fantastic, i'm actually a crap sikh...in terms of of being religious, but i do good by actions and that's more than enough. Even better in some cases...

[Enammmmm]

so u can kill animals for food, just not in name of God?

Well, me n ma friend were talking about it other day. And to us it's like they are creations of God, and its like taking His permission before doing so.

Before you eat, do u not say prayers to thank God for the blessing of having food to eat? <--- diff topic I know


In the Quran, we were granted cows to eat by God-Allah, so therefor we have permission.

Im curious if other religions/gods gave permission to their people to eat food at all :think:

[Punjabi_Link]

so u can kill animals for food, just not in name of God?

Right.

Do you pray to God before you grab an apple from a tree?


Before you eat, do u not say prayers to thank God for the blessing of having food to eat? <--- diff topic I know

No I don't pray to god when I eat.

The only time I personally pray to god is when I wake up in the morning and before I go to sleep. Usually, Sikhs pray like 3 times a day (I think)

[Punjabi_Link]

wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

Fantastic, i'm actually a crap sikh...in terms of of being religious, but i do good by actions and that's more than enough. Even better in some cases...

Dawg, Meat is Meat, period. There’s no such thing as "holy animal” in Sikhism.

[King Ghidra]

Dawg, Meat is Meat, period. There’s no such thing as "holy animal” in Sikhism.

Oh i know this........and personally i wouldn't care even if it was holy...

Hell, i don't even see the need to pray...What's the point...

[_j@tti_]

We shouldnt go by how it looks but by what the animal feels. Scientific evidence through monitering ecg and eeg signals during slaughtering via electrodes attached to the animal show that the halal method of killing an animal is the most humane. The throat of the animal is cut with a very sharp knife cutting the jugular and carotid veins along with the trachea and oesphagus but leaving the spinal cord intact, because by severing the spinal cord it would cause the animal alot of pain. Through this way of slaughter there was no change in the eeg graph for the first three seconds, just the same how we can cut ourselves and not notcice till some time later. The following three seconds were characterised by a condition of deep sleep-like unconciousness brought about by the draining of large volumes of blood. thereafter the eeg records a zero reading showing no pain being felt at all. the bodily movements here are simply the reflex of the spinal cord and not because of pain.

But looking at the situation at the time, if anything if it was slaughtered in any other method thats painful for the animal.

i said according to the gurus at that time ... think u dint catch dat lol

newayz thnx fo sharing that :)

[Enammmmm]

Dawg, Meat is Meat, period. There’s no such thing as "holy animal” in Sikhism.

what religion says there is a holy animal? :sarb:

[_j@tti_]

Im curious if other religions/gods gave permission to their people to eat food at all :think:

acc. to sikhism all r same and there is just THE GOD ... no gods who give u permission or no permission ... it's for u to decide what's good or what bad .. the gurus guide u .. but to do is on ur own in the name of THE GOD

[King Ghidra]

what religion says there is a holy animal? :sarb:

Hindu's.........

[Punjabi_Link]

what religion says there is a holy animal? :sarb:

I heard Cows are holy to Hindus. Not sure it's true or not though.

But again, I don't even care.

[Punjabi_Link]

acc. to sikhism all r same and there is just THE GOD ... no gods who give u permission or no permission ... it's for u to decide what's good or what bad .. the gurus guide u .. but to do is on ur own in the name of THE GOD

Exactly....

[King Ghidra]

acc. to sikhism all r same and there is just THE GOD ... no gods who give u permission or no permission ... it's for u to decide what's good or what bad .. the gurus guide u .. but to do is on ur own in the name of THE GOD

I don't know if God has earned the right to have a THE, just let it be GOD :neutral:

[Enammmmm]

acc. to sikhism all r same and there is just THE GOD ... no gods who give u permission or no permission ... it's for u to decide what's good or what bad .. the gurus guide u .. but to do is on ur own in the name of THE GOD


gee that just sounds like all religions then doesnt it.

[Punjabi_Link]

Anyway, it was nice to talking to you guys.

If you guys want to learn more about Sikhism, then read Guru Granth Sahib, but if you guys to want to get the basic idea of what Sikhism is really all about then read the Reht Maryada.

Here’s the link of the Sikh Reht Maryada: http://www.sgpc.net/rehat_maryada/section_one.html

[King Ghidra]

gee that just sounds like all religions then doesnt it.

Don't be condesending you shit........end of the day your actions define who you are not your religion...

[Enammmmm]

Hindu's.........


but really every animal is holy to Hindus because the animal might be their GOD taking form of shape of that animal for that moment.


Excluding Hinduism, there is no other religion that holds an animal HOLY for a prime reason.

[Enammmmm]

Don't be condesending you shit........end of the day your actions define who you are not your religion...


calm ur hormones, perhaps you are confused with your religion, but that doesnt mean everyone else out there is. As far as I KNOW every religion has its own phases, sometimes it is a target, at other times it is targetting others.

[King Ghidra]

but really every animal is holy to Hindus because the animal might be their GOD taking form of shape of that animal for that moment.


Excluding Hinduism, there is no other religion that holds an animal HOLY for a prime reason.

No every animal isn't holy, they just value life in any form...it's not god related.

Goats are holy to devil worshippers...Satanism

[Enammmmm]

No every animal isn't holy, they just value life in any form...it's not god related.

Goats are holy to devil worshippers...Satanism


i have heard different from practicing religious hindus.

[King Ghidra]

calm ur hormones, perhaps you are confused with your religion, but that doesnt mean everyone else out there is. As far as I KNOW every religion has its own phases, sometimes it is a target, at other times it is targetting others.

i'm not confused with anything...i'd rather be good than religious, actions of a human speak far louder than anything else...

I choose to be like this not because i'm confused.

:neutral:

[King Ghidra]

i have heard different from practicing religious hindus.

Hinduism is a very large and complex religion.

[Enammmmm]

i'm not confused with anything...i'd rather be good than religious, actions of a human speak far louder than anything else...

I choose to be like this not because i'm confused.

:neutral:


everyone has their own definition of being good brotha.


the bum across the block may think drinkin 10 quarts a day and not killing anyone is good.

I may think, killing evil doers and fucking different girls is good.


Are we really Good?

[King Ghidra]

everyone has their own definition of being good brotha.


the bum across the block may think drinkin 10 quarts a day and not killing anyone is good.

I may think, killing evil doers and fucking different girls is good.


Are we really Good?


I don't know about you but i am, common sense and a upbringin has taught me, do no harm to people, do not judge, do not think you're better than anyone...and all that malarky.

Of course i do "sin" but not on purpose i feel guilt when i do...that's what sets us apart.

Those that do not feel, that have no remorse, when they do "bad" are well bad......

:neutral:

[HiGHland~Heather]

Right.

Do you pray to God before you grab an apple from a tree?


lol can't say I have ever grabbed an apple from a tree, only from Asda :)

And yes, before I eat (if i remember) then I do begin with God's name. I believe Christians also say grace b4 eating.

But its not just eating, there's a dhikr (rememberance of God) for every action, its not really a prayer just a short phrase thanking or praising God....

The more you remember God in each n every action, the more u stay away from evil .... well that's the idea :yes:

[Cunard]

LOL

first of all....the video itself says that the idea of sikhism being a mix of Islam and Hinduism is FALSE!

i dont care if your mother is sikh and your father is hindu.........your either one or the other......u dont see jewish muslims walking around......u either see a muslim or a jew.........not 2 in 1

the sikhs holy book mentions lines from the vedas and the koran because they are wise words........the reason the sikhs guru went to mecca was to prove that god is everywhere....it doesnt matter if u bow to the west or the east...god is everywhere

Guru Nanak himself said he is neither Hindu nor Muslim......the word SIKH translates to "learner" or "student"...god is the teacher...our holy book is our text book

the whole point of the video was to put aside some things that were false but people thought were to be true.....and yet still people argue

as for halal meat....the reason why sikhs do not eat it is because we beleive the animal suffers longer if it is killed with a slit throat...not because it is "muslim" meat or whatever....bottem line is the animal must be killed with the least amount of pain.....and meat must only be eaten if it is a must...however this differs on interpretation

anyways.....i hope u guys enjoyed it =)

[dandiwal_jatt]

damn great posts Punjabi_link!

[desipride24o7]

Yes Sikhism was brought into the world at a time when there were religious conflicts between Hindus and Muslims. But saying Sikhism is a medium between the two is completely false. Watch the video Sikh in the Street that Cunard has posted in his thread.

The misjudgement is that you guys are bringing Culture within Religion.

We have similar Cultures, but completely different religions. Hindus believe in multiple gods as we believe in One. We believe in equality of all regardless of class, gender, ethnicity and religious beliefs.

As of Islam. Yes we have some scriptures of islam prophets in our Guru Granth Sahib Ji, but that's the closest connection we have to the religion.


i agree with you completly

[Cunard]

LOL

first of all....the video itself says that the idea of sikhism being a mix of Islam and Hinduism is FALSE!

i dont care if your mother is sikh and your father is hindu.........your either one or the other......u dont see jewish muslims walking around......u either see a muslim or a jew.........not 2 in 1

the sikhs holy book mentions lines from the vedas and the koran because they are wise words........the reason the sikhs guru went to mecca was to prove that god is everywhere....it doesnt matter if u bow to the west or the east...god is everywhere

Guru Nanak himself said he is neither Hindu nor Muslim......the word SIKH translates to "learner" or "student"...god is the teacher...our holy book is our text book

the whole point of the video was to put aside some things that were false but people thought were to be true.....and yet still people argue

as for halal meat....the reason why sikhs do not eat it is because we beleive the animal suffers longer if it is killed with a slit throat...not because it is "muslim" meat or whatever....bottem line is the animal must be killed with the least amount of pain.....and meat must only be eaten if it is a must...however this differs on interpretation

anyways.....i hope u guys enjoyed it =)

rather be near at the top then the bottem :eek:

[notoriou$punjabi]

Sikh in punjabi means student

and thats where its taken from... so thats all it means

and we are all students (sikhs) learning from a Guru (teacher)

[2CoNfUsEd]

I heard this sikh girl going on abt this, but I have never seen or heard of anyone who converted to Sikhism, would be interesting actually.

really? i've seen a ton of ppl tht have...welll.....mostly whites

[King Ghidra]

Dude your being militant... calm down...

Dont let google tell you what is and what is not... that is sad

...Sikhism shares similarities with both religions Islam and Hinduism and emerged at a time when there was alot of conflict between the two...

It didnt come about for no reason... there was a reason...there was motive and thats what it was...

...and calm down this is only a discussion

:werd:

[Enammmmm]

rather be near the top then the bottem :eek:


That previous explanation of sikhism really makes me frown upon it.

[King Ghidra]

Yes Sikhism was brought into the world at a time when there were religious conflicts between Hindus and Muslims. But saying Sikhism is a medium between the two is completely false. Watch the video Sikh in the Street that Cunard has posted in his thread.

The misjudgement is that you guys are bringing Culture within Religion.

We have similar Cultures, but completely different religions. Hindus believe in multiple gods as we believe in One. We believe in equality of all regardless of class, gender, ethnicity and religious beliefs.

As of Islam. Yes we have some scriptures of islam prophets in our Guru Granth Sahib Ji, but that's the closest connection we have to the religion.

Yet sikhs follow a caste system....When they shouldn't...

[King Ghidra]

That previous explanation of sikhism really makes me frown upon it.

That's because you mis-informed...like many people who frown upon muslims...

Ignorance is crap huh...

[addiction01]

Oh golly gosh he/she is picking on you now? WHat's up with that shemale. :lol:
Look you ignorant bitch, I was polite to you, I don't know why you resorted to name calling. If you can't be respectful and mature atleast don't disgust me with your disrespect.


Hero: I couldn't care less about your decent. But I don't need to be taught about my religion. I'm full blooded Sikh I think I know my culture and religion a lot more than you.

Punjabi_Link: Nice links, keep it up.

Cunard: Werd.

For the rest of the haters, we're taught to practice tolerance but if you feel the need to make false claims go do it else where because here we won't let it go down wiv out a fight.

[notoriou$punjabi]

hahahaha.... talkin like a true punjaban

[addiction01]

Sometimes the Punjabaan in me comes out when provoked.

:drdodgy:

[Enammmmm]

That's because you mis-informed...like many people who frown upon muslims...

Ignorance is crap huh...


so ur saying Cunard's explanation is misinformation?

[King Ghidra]

Look you ignorant bitch, I was polite to you, I don't know why you resorted to name calling. If you can't be respectful and mature atleast don't disgust me with your disrespect.


Hero: I couldn't care less about your decent. But I don't need to be taught about my religion. I'm full blooded Sikh I think I know my culture and religion a lot more than you.

Punjabi_Link: Nice links, keep it up.

Cunard: Werd.

For the rest of the haters, we're taught to practice tolerance but if you feel the need to make false claims go do it else where because here we won't let it go down wiv out a fight.

Stop jumping to conclusions and dismissing him because he isn't "100% sikh", your thinking you know better than him.......not every sikh like is it.

No one is going to war, put the nuclear bombs away...it's a disscusion.

[King Ghidra]

so ur saying Cunard's explanation is misinformation?

No i'm saying you don't know everything about sikh's because of one post.

[addiction01]

Stop jumping to conclusions and dismissing him because he isn't "100% sikh", your thinking you know better than him.......not every sikh like is it.

No one is going to war, put the nuclear bombs away...it's a disscusion.
I'm not sayin I'm superior to him. I believe in equality. But I don't need preaching to me. I know what my relgion is. This thread is to clear up misunderstanding about my faith not for people to come badger it. Comprehend?

[Enammmmm]

No i'm saying you don't know everything about sikh's because of one post.


Agreed and understood thanks.


I didnt like the whole part about "praying to east and west because god is everywhere"


Muslims know god is everywhere but to Muslims, Mecca is the Origin of the religion.

I highly doubt that the person that created Sikhism really thought of Muslims or Mecca in such way, but then again I could be wrong, since the times Sikhism were created were much conflicted times.

[King Ghidra]

I'm not sayin I'm superior to him. I believe in equality. But I don't need preaching to me. I know what my relgion is. This thread is to clear up misunderstanding about my faith not for people to come badger it. Comprehend?

He isn't preaching, he's expresing he's views it's the millies who are losing there rag. He isn't atacking sikhism...



Hero: I couldn't care less about your decent. But I don't need to be taught about my religion. I'm full blooded Sikh I think I know my culture and religion a lot more than you.

Well by you saying what's highlighted i think you just dismissed his views as nothing, when in reality he is speaking sense...

:neutral: Comprehend?

[King Ghidra]

Agreed and understood thanks.


I didnt like the whole part about "praying to east and west because god is everywhere"


Muslims know god is everywhere but to Muslims, Mecca is the Origin of the religion.

I highly doubt that the person that created Sikhism really thought of Muslims or Mecca in such way, but then again I could be wrong, since the times Sikhism were created were much conflicted times.

Well that's where we differ...we don't think we should just pray east because we don't believe Mecca is Origin of the religion.

But then we don't dismiss other religions, like other religions do...

[addiction01]

He isn't preaching, he's expresing he's views it's the millies who are losing there rag. He isn't atacking sikhism...



Well by you saying what's highlighted i think you just dismissed his views as nothing, when in reality he is speaking sense...

:neutral: Comprehend?
He's not expressing his opinion, he's tryin to pass his opinion off as facts. That's all fine and dandy but he can make a different thread for that because it's violating the purpose of my thread.

Maybe it makes sense to you. Not to me.

And I thought Americans were ignornant. Desis aren't any better.

[Enammmmm]

Well that's where we differ...we don't think we should just pray east because we don't believe Mecca is Origin of the religion.

But then we don't dismiss other religions, like other religions do...


i didnt understand, come again?

[King Ghidra]

He's not expressing his opinion, he's tryin to pass his opinion off as facts. That's all fine and dandy but he can make a different thread for that because it's violating the purpose of my thread.

Maybe it makes sense to you. Not to me.

And I thought Americans were ignornant. Desis aren't any better.

Oh man i don't know why i bother...we are just going to go in circles, so i'll save you time and myself time too...

And i'm far from ignorant, if you stop being hardheaded, and take in some knowledge you may learn something new...

Anway peace out.....respond if you want, i ain't gonna reply back...

[King Ghidra]

i didnt understand, come again?

What didn't you understand?

[addiction01]

Oh man i don't know why i bother...we are just going to go in circles, so i'll save you time and myself time too...

And i'm far from ignorant, if you stop being hardheaded, and take in some knowledge you may learn something new...

Anway peace out.....respond if you want, i ain't gonna reply back...
It's cool if you don't want to reply back. Thanks for saving my time.

[Enammmmm]

What didn't you understand?


Well that's where we differ...we don't think we should just pray east because we don't believe Mecca is Origin of the religion.

But then we don't dismiss other religions, like other religions do...


Who is we? And ofcourse you dont believe Mecca is Origin of the religion because you dont believe in the religion :idea:


who dismiss other religions again? every religion dismisses each other, the whole point of having a different RELIGION.

[addiction01]

Who is we? And ofcourse you dont believe Mecca is Origin of the religion because you dont believe in the religion :idea:


who dismiss other religions again? every religion dismisses each other, the whole point of having a different RELIGION.
Actually Enaam Sikhism practice tolerance of all religions. We even recognize that God may be known by many different names, but he is One.

[Enammmmm]

Actually Enaam Sikhism practice tolerance of all religions. We even recognize that God may be known by many different names, but he is One.


of all? are u serious?


but that just invalids of the whole point of having a different religion.

[King Ghidra]

Who is we? And ofcourse you dont believe Mecca is Origin of the religion because you dont believe in the religion :idea:


who dismiss other religions again? every religion dismisses each other, the whole point of having a different RELIGION.

we = sikh's...

No, actually sikhism doesn't dismiss other religions, we just say if you believe in a certain religion do it correctly and not half arsed...

We don't go about converting like Muslims and Christains. It's actually a peaceful religion...

[addiction01]

of all? are u serious?


but that just invalids of the whole point of having a different religion.
Actually no. It just shows tolerance. Understanding.

[King Ghidra]

of all? are u serious?


but that just invalids of the whole point of having a different religion.

No it doesn't just open your mind up abit......

Religion isn't a competition, were we compete to see who is right.

[addiction01]

No it doesn't just open your mind up abit......

Religion isn't a competition, were we compete to see who is right.
I know you don't want to address me...but do you believe Sikhism emerged from Hinduism and Islam?

[King Ghidra]

I know you don't want to address me...but do you believe Sikhism emerged from Hinduism and Islam?

ahaha......i don't have a vendetta against you..

But i believe it had a slight influence, Guru Nanak Dev Ji was born a hindu...so it's natural...

Like Jews, muslims and Christians share common things...

[addiction01]

ahaha......i don't have a vendetta against you..

But i believe it had a slight influence, Guru Nanak Dev Ji was born a hindu...so it's natural...

Like Jews, muslims and Christians share common things...
Just was wonderin out of interest.

[King Ghidra]

Just was wonderin out of interest.

ahahahahaha okay....

Dude it's a discussion, no one was going out to critisize sikhism...just views were expressed...we have different views it's what makes us human.

[addiction01]

ahahahahaha okay....

Dude it's a discussion, no one was going out to critisize sikhism...just views were expressed...we have different views it's what makes us human.
I'm not sure you understand/understood where i come/came from. But it's fine. I don't like banging my head against brick walls neither.

:drdodgy:

[King Ghidra]

I'm not sure you understand/understood where i come/came from. But it's fine. I don't like banging my head against brick walls neither.

:drdodgy:

I understood your views and where you were coming from...and to an extent i agree...but i also agree with ...hero...

I don't even know why i posted, i'm not even religious...I don't pray, i don't go gurdwara, i shave my head...well that's about it... :neutral:

[addiction01]

I understood your views and where you were coming from...and to an extent i agree...but i also agree with ...hero...

I don't even know why i posted, i'm not even religious...I don't pray, i don't go gurdwara, i shave my head...well that's about it... :neutral:
To be completely honest I'm not an ideal Sikh either. I eat meat, cut my hair, what not. But I do hold certain beliefs for, which I will stand up. The thing with me is I know I'm not a good Sikh and hope to one day change that.

[Cunard]

I understood your views and where you were coming from...and to an extent i agree...but i also agree with ...hero...

I don't even know why i posted, i'm not even religious...I don't pray, i don't go gurdwara, i shave my head...well that's about it... :neutral:

you dont pray...dont go to gurdwara...hence know very little about this faith......but yet you are sure enough to agree with a guy that calls himself half hindu half sikh on a matter which pretty much says that sikhism is an offshoot of islam and hinduism

i can see the logic in that :eek:

whats next? turban wearing sikhs are khalistani extreamists?

[Enammmmm]

we = sikh's...

No, actually sikhism doesn't dismiss other religions, we just say if you believe in a certain religion do it correctly and not half arsed...

We don't go about converting like Muslims and Christains. It's actually a peaceful religion...


SO lets say a couple of sikh parents' kids wanted to convert to Islam/Christianity, the parents would be 100% completely fine with it and would not object one bit?

Is that really so how your religion is and everyone who practices it?

[addiction01]

SO lets say a couple of sikh parents' kids wanted to convert to Islam/Christianity, the parents would be 100% completely fine with it and would not object one bit.
Tolerance doesn't mean acceptance.

[Cunard]

SO lets say a couple of sikh parents' kids wanted to convert to Islam/Christianity, the parents would be 100% completely fine with it and would not object one bit.

as long as the kids follow there new religion with a good heart...there is no reason why they should be angry

in reality there parents will beat the shit out of them

thats not the religions fault...thats the fault of the parent

[Enammmmm]

Tolerance doesn't mean acceptance.


Bingo.


then no one here is in any position to say Christians and Muslims are so much different than sikhs and do not Tolerate other religions such as sikhism.

[addiction01]

Bingo.


then no one here is in any position to say Christians and Muslims are so much different than sikhs and do not Tolerate other religions such as sikhism.
Thing is. If you're a true Sikh you will let your child follow wotever religion they want, as long as they do it whole heartedly. Like Cunard said it's different from what happens in reality. But that's society not the religion.

[Enammmmm]

as long as the kids follow there new religion with a good heart...there is no reason why they should be angry

in reality there parents will beat the shit out of them

thats not the religions fault...thats the fault of the parent


then it is not Islams fault if the Mughals wanted to kill any hindu/sikh that didnt convert to Islam. :idea:

[Enammmmm]

Thing is. If you're a true Sikh you will let your child follow wotever religion they want, as long as they do it whole heartedly. Like Cunard said it's different from what happens in reality. But that's society not the religion.


then we can clearly say that what society preaches eventually becomes part of religion, unfortunately. Because what you see going on and around you, you learn through it.

[addiction01]

then it is not Islams fault if the Mughals wanted to kill any hindu/sikh that didnt convert to Islam. :idea:
Isn't true there's no converting to Islam only reverting? I mean that's what all Islamic ppl believe?

[addiction01]

then we can clearly say that what society preaches eventually becomes part of religion, unfortunately. Because what you see going on and around you, you learn through it.
But then no one truly follows their relgion right? And if you do, you become a saint, a guru, a priest?

[Enammmmm]

Isn't true there's no converting to Islam only reverting? I mean that's what all Islamic ppl believe?


that is not true. I have met many converts-meaning someone changing to another religion from their first religion.

[Enammmmm]

But then no one truly follows their relgion right? And if you do, you become a saint, a guru, a priest?


incorrect, if you do not get fooled by "society" and stick to the true words that your religion preaches, you are a true follower.

[addiction01]

that is not true. I have met many converts-meaning someone changing to another religion from their first religion.
Well this guy I know who's Islamic, extreme one at that, has told me Islam preaches everyone is born a Muslim.

[dandiwal_jatt]

then it is not Islams fault if the Mughals wanted to kill any hindu/sikh that didnt convert to Islam. :idea:
ofcourse not
we Sikhs love the sufis

[addiction01]

incorrect, if you do not get fooled by "society" and stick to the true words that your religion preaches, you are a true follower.
Exactly, not many people do that. Then they go around preaching their respective relgions. Making them hypocrits.

[HiGHland~Heather]

Isn't true there's no converting to Islam only reverting? I mean that's what all Islamic ppl believe?

A 'muslim' is essentially somone who believes in the 6 tenets of iman (faith):

Belief in 1 God, His Prophets, His angels, His Holy Books, Day of Judgement and Fate.

Technically there were Muslims ever before Islam, since all the prophets, true believers all satisfied the above pre-requisite.

We also believe every child is born in a state of purity - 'fitrah', which intrinsically encapsulates the above beliefs and this child knows their true God but it is their nurture not nature that defines who they become.

Therefore if someone becomes a Muslim, they are reverting to this purified state that they were born into.

Well, that's our belief :)

[addiction01]

A 'muslim' is essentially somone who believes in the 6 tenets of iman (faith):

Belief in 1 God, His Prophets, His angels, His Holy Books, Day of Judgement and Fate.

Technically there were Muslims ever before Islam, since all the prophets, true believers all satisfied the above pre-requisite.

We also believe every child is born in a state of purity - 'fitrah', which intrinsically encapsulates the above beliefs and this child knows their true God but it is their nurture not nature that defines who they become.

Therefore if someone becomes a Muslim, they are reverting to this purified state that they were born into.

Well, that's our belief :)

Yeh. Thanks for clarifying that.

[Enammmmm]

ofcourse not
we Sikhs love the sufis


eh???

[Cunard]

then it is not Islams fault if the Mughals wanted to kill any hindu/sikh that didnt convert to Islam. :idea:


i dont know what Islam says on non muslims..............ive heard things both good and bad....but in all honesty...i dont know

if Islam says that non muslims should be killed or converted......then Islam is to blame

If it does not say that....then its the followers that are to blame and the religion itself is peaceful

[dandiwal_jatt]

Therefore if someone becomes a Muslim, they are reverting to this purified state that they were born into.



and if they don't....they remain impure?

[Enammmmm]

Yeh. Thanks for clarifying that.


ah well i was just clarified as well. I knew that information but I didnt think "reverting" was being used in that sense. Its the same as converting to me.

[HiGHland~Heather]

and if they don't....they remain impure?

They have deviated from the correct path, yes.

Isn't that wat every religion is supposed to believe, their path is the correct path? If not, then y wud u follow it? :dunno:

[HiGHland~Heather]

ah well i was just clarified as well. I knew that information but I didnt think "reverting" was being used in that sense. Its the same as converting to me.


Yeh its just a word really. But the state of 'fitrah' becomes especially important when talking abt kids, muslim and non-muslim - since they are always pure.

[Enammmmm]

i dont know what Islam says on non muslims..............ive heard things both good and bad....but in all honesty...i dont know

if Islam says that non muslims should be killed or converted......then Islam is to blame

If it does not say that....then its the followers that are to blame and the religion itself is peaceful


From what I know, Islam says any one that is not a muslim is a disbeliever, obviously non-believing Islam. No where does it say that Muslims HAVE TO convert others, there is no MUST or requirement, but we are supposed to preach and educate non muslims , not by the sword, but by the word.


Obviously then those arent followers of Islam who is preaching the wrong article about Islam, ya get me?

[Enammmmm]

Yeh its just a word really. But the state of 'fitrah' becomes especially important when talking abt kids, muslim and non-muslim - since they are always pure.


yes that I knew and thought about deeply since as a kid. I agree.

[Enammmmm]

Exactly, not many people do that. Then they go around preaching their respective relgions. Making them hypocrits.


so going back on point on the previous page, I think every religion tolerates all other religions but does not accept the other religions. So therefor it is same in every religion..Sikhism is no different in that part.

[nyc_craziest]

ok ok break up all this religion talk stop this bullshit and start talking about some real shit like what dafuk we gonan do tomomrw


:D

[HiGHland~Heather]

yes that I knew and thought about deeply since as a kid. I agree.

I'm honoured :)


Back to Sikhism

I have a question. How important is it to maintain the 5 K's and is it sufficient to just have one sardar in the family?

1 guy told my sis that but i didn't believe him.

[addiction01]

I'm honoured :)


Back to Sikhism

I have a question. How important is it to maintain the 5 K's and is it sufficient to just have one sardar in the family?

1 guy told my sis that but i didn't believe him.
The five K's have been implemeneted to differentiate us from other religions. To give us an identity of our own.

No, it's not sufficient. For example, if my father is a sardar and i'm on drugs...it's not cancellin each other out ...you know wot i mean?

[Enammmmm]

ok ok break up all this religion talk stop this bullshit and start talking about some real shit like what dafuk we gonan do tomomrw


:D



:slap:



we gonna dance like the great man in ur sig. :bowdown:

[addiction01]

so going back on point on the previous page, I think every religion tolerates all other religions but does not accept the other religions. So therefor it is same in every religion..Sikhism is no different in that part.
I think we're going in circles and you're not understanding wot i'm saying.

[Enammmmm]

I'm honoured :)


Back to Sikhism

I have a question. How important is it to maintain the 5 K's and is it sufficient to just have one sardar in the family?

1 guy told my sis that but i didn't believe him.


personally ive always had a soft side for punjabis/sikhs...maybe cuz they are gorgeous inside and out :)


I havent seen u online for a good while....u need to come around more :hug:

[HiGHland~Heather]

The five K's have been implemeneted to differentiate us from other religions. To give us an identity of our own.

No, it's not sufficient. For example, if my father is a sardar and i'm on drugs...it's not cancellin each other out ...you know wot i mean?


so its an individual responsibility then. kool that's wat i thought.

How about for girls? I notice this one girl wore a little turban as well, that was news to me. No hair removal right?

[Enammmmm]

I think we're going in circles and you're not understanding wot i'm saying.


nope no daisy circling here, i think we both know what we are talking about , its just matter of acceptance from ur side :)

[addiction01]

so its an individual responsibility then. kool that's wat i thought.

How about for girls? I notice this one girl wore a little turban as well, that was news to me. No hair removal right?
Yes girls also wear turbans. I am unfortunately not as religous as i should be. But I have many cousins and friends who do wear turbans. Yep the religion says no hair removal.

It's an individual thing. Everyone iin Sikhism is a student, everyone is at a different level. Some are better Sikhs than others.

[HiGHland~Heather]

personally ive always had a soft side for punjabis/sikhs...maybe cuz they are gorgeous inside and out :)


I havent seen u online for a good while....u need to come around more :hug:

Awww lol look at the number of posts I have been around jus discreet :bhapi:

BTW I looooooove the song in ur profile, its like our song, me n my fiancé's :D

:dance3:

[addiction01]

nope no daisy circling here, i think we both know what we are talking about , its just matter of acceptance from ur side :)
No, you're twisting wot I'm saying.

[HiGHland~Heather]

Yes girls also wear turbans. I am unfortunately not as religous as i should be. But I have many cousins and friends who do wear turbans. Yep the religion says no hair removal.

It's an individual thing. Everyone iin Sikhism is a student, everyone is at a different level. Some are better Sikhs than others.

I wasn't judging jus wondering. Its always confusing for onlookers when the so-called adherents of the faith aren't adhering like....I know a sikh that shaves hence that obviously means its ok :rolleyes: or I know a muslim who drinks........etc.

[addiction01]

I wasn't judging jus wondering. Its always confusing for onlookers when the so-called adherents of the faith aren't adhering like....I know a sikh that shaves hence that obviously means its ok :rolleyes: or I know a muslim who drinks........etc.
No, I'm glad you took interest. Not may ppl take the time to understand.

[nyc_craziest]

:slap:



we gonna dance like the great man in ur sig. :bowdown:
yo get a chat going, now.

[HiGHland~Heather]

No, I'm glad you took interest. Not may ppl take the time to understand.

I've always been interested in diff religions and cultures jus because im good like that :p but also I think it makes me more firm in my own beliefs and faith..........and if didn't then there's obviously a problem which would cause me to reassess my beliefs.

Apart from the Abrahamic religions and 'desi' religions, I don't know about many others. I only found out wat a baha'i was couple of yrs ago!!


Ohh I remembered one thing from school, wen we were taught Sikhism in RE, the guy is a complete dumbass but he completely got mixed up between Islam and Sikhism and was feeding the class complete bullsh*t!!

I was only abt 14, and I had to stand up in front of the entire class and inform him and everyone else everything I knew about Sikhism :no:

[Enammmmm]

No, you're twisting wot I'm saying.


not at all, :hand:

[addiction01]

I've always been interested in diff religions and cultures jus because im good like that :p but also I think it makes me more firm in my own beliefs and faith..........and if didn't then there's obviously a problem which would cause me to reassess my beliefs.

Apart from the Abrahamic religions and 'desi' religions, I don't know about many others. I only found out wat a baha'i was couple of yrs ago!!


Ohh I remembered one thing from school, wen we were taught Sikhism in RE, the guy is a complete dumbass but he completely got mixed up between Islam and Sikhism and was feeding the class complete bullsh*t!!

I was only abt 14, and I had to stand up in front of the entire class and inform him and everyone else everything I knew about Sikhism :no:

I think it's important to be informed. I hate it when people try to pass of their misconceptions as facts.

Kudos to you.

Enaam: let's leave it at diff of opiinion.

[WhatDidYouSay!?]

I think this is cool...
But I just looked at the pictures :anxious:

http://www.mrsikhnet.com/2005_06_01_gmustuk_archive.html

[Enammmmm]

I think it's important to be informed. I hate it when people try to pass of their misconceptions as facts.

Kudos to you.

Enaam: let's leave it at diff of opiinion.


then thats fucked up, because according to you and some other sikhs...you are the ONLY tolerant religion ......and so to say you accept other religions? thats bullshit.

[Enammmmm]

Oh and that sikhism doesnt dismiss other religions? please. Every religion dismisses the other religion, back on point.

[addiction01]

I think this is cool...
But I just looked at the pictures :anxious:

http://www.mrsikhnet.com/2005_06_01_gmustuk_archive.html
Are those people naming themselves Guru? that's wrong.

[addiction01]

then thats fucked up, because according to you and some other sikhs...you are the ONLY tolerant religion ......and so to say you accept other religions? thats bullshit.
If you want to commence that's up to you. But I'm done with that issue.

[WhatDidYouSay!?]

Are those people naming themselves Guru? that's wrong.

I dunno... Didn't read it... just scanned through the pics... :no:

Anywhooo Hi Smarty! :wavey:

[Enammmmm]

If you want to commence that's up to you. But I'm done with that issue.


if you're gonna make a thread about such a serious topic, at least stand up to questions and explaining to those who want the truth. I am not offending sikhism at all here, instead ur supporting a view that is not true.


whatever. That is why religious topics are very serious/delicate subjects

[addiction01]

Uh, actually Sikhism does not dismiss other religions. It is actually against Sikhism to prosletyize. My understanding is that Sikhism is one path to reach God, not greater or worse than any other path followed by believers of any other religion.
Exactly.

[addiction01]

I dunno... Didn't read it... just scanned through the pics... :no:

Anywhooo Hi Smarty! :wavey:
Hey Samsam wotcha doing?

[Enammmmm]

Uh, actually Sikhism does not dismiss other religions. It is actually against Sikhism to prosletyize. My understanding is that Sikhism is one path to reach God, not greater or worse than any other path followed by believers of any other religion.


that can not be true.


1. Sikhism originated from a Human's perspective and point of views without subsiding to any other religion.


2. The whole point of creating a religion is to be different from any other religion, a form of dismissal. :idea:


3. Every religion is in a different path, or as they are taught.

[GT_Starrr]

can we all just sign off and go to church/mosque/temple/wherever and stfu.

[WhatDidYouSay!?]

Hey Samsam wotcha doing?

:giggle:

I'm just listening to music :D...

what you doing? :eyebrow:

[addiction01]

:giggle:

I'm just listening to music :D...

what you doing? :eyebrow:
watchin' hawkey.

woohoo.playoffs. :D

[WhatDidYouSay!?]

watchin' hawkey.

woohoo.playoffs. :D

Ooooo Hockey :D nice...

Anyway... Smarty I'm off... Really sleepy now...

Take care, enjoy yout Hawkeyyyyy :hug:
Samsam :p

[addiction01]

Ooooo Hockey :D nice...

Anyway... Smarty I'm off... Really sleepy now...

Take care, enjoy yout Hawkeyyyyy :hug:
Samsam :p
lol lates have a good one.

[harvey_mayway]

I know Sikhs always say that Sikhism is an individual religion which i agree completely. But when they go to say that it has no influences of Hinduism and Islam that's when i start to wonder many things. For example if Guru Nanak was born as a Hindu and also during the time Islam was a strong religion then surely for Him to have created a religion as whole would have had some influences from these two particular religions?

The religion itself is very new only been around for 500 years so by the time Sikhism was created the other religions were old and some aspects of those religions would've reflected in Sikhism.

If you notice all religion have one direction which is to bring the good so whether we perform it in different way it's always for the good not for the bad.
^^ That's my opinion whether you agree or not.


good answer,,,,, did white people hav an influence as well?

[harvey_mayway]

r people still postin on this subject..?

[dopekhor]

hey once a friend told me that sikhs belive that if they bathe with the blood of muslim they can go to heaven is this true?

[Punjabi_Link]

LOL, the Sikh last name "Singh" itself was derived from a Hindu clan (the Rajputs). The Rajputs existed before Sikhism was established.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singh

After the birth of the Khalsa brotherhood in 1699, the Sikhs adopted the name "Singh" due to the wishes of Guru Gobind Singh. The Rajput martial way of life was a great influence upon the martial traditions of the people of the Punjab and Shivalik hill ranges, as cited in Guru Gobind Singh's monumental work and partial autobiography Bachitra Natak. "Kaur" was the equivalent name for females, since Rajput females used "Kumari"



If you don't believe me, there are plenty of Hindu Singhs in the entertainment industry and politics, lol (V.P Singh, Rajiv Singh, Mahendhra Singh Doni).


Since Sikhism was founded after Hinduism, it would be common sense that Singh was a Hindu last name before it was a Sikh name.

The word “Singh” isn’t even mention in the Guru Granth Sahib. Also there is a lot of Sikhs who don’t even have “Singh” as their last name.

[dandiwal_jatt]

hey once a friend told me that sikhs belive that if they bathe with the blood of muslim they can go to heaven is this true?
are u serious?
i hope not :neutral:
this is not even remotely true

[Punjabi_Link]

hey once a friend told me that sikhs belive that if they bathe with the blood of muslim they can go to heaven is this true?


Whoa, you got to be kidding me? Use your common sense, mang.

What type of religion will encourage people to do that type of shit?