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shaheenara
April 15th, 2006, 11:41 AM
say ur parents said...'right puttar,the time has come...and i have found u a nice fresh mango straight off the bananananananana boat aka UR COUSIN'... would u do it????? :neutral:

eurgh personally...me...NO! hehe but das me. :D

brown-n-bubblie
April 15th, 2006, 11:43 AM
ewwww no neva

$H@MZ
April 15th, 2006, 11:44 AM
ewwww no neva

yuk yukkkkkkkkkkkkkk

hindu_heat
April 15th, 2006, 11:44 AM
hmm, blood related cousin...no

but then again, i wouldn't let my parents pick anyone for me :E

shaheenara
April 15th, 2006, 11:54 AM
lol yeahhh well TOUCHWOOD ppl...it might happennnnn.messsn.scustin tho innit.eurghhh...but guys...wha if she looked lyk the asian version of i dunno...jordan???

chicano_desi
April 15th, 2006, 11:59 AM
thats just way too wrong.
i hear marrying someone with same blood-relation cause birth defects.

Cunard
April 15th, 2006, 12:01 PM
fuck no!

whoever does has somthing wrong in their head :idea:

(sic)
April 15th, 2006, 12:11 PM
lol yeahhh well TOUCHWOOD ppl...it might happennnnn.messsn.scustin tho innit.eurghhh...but guys...wha if she looked lyk the asian version of i dunno...jordan???
LOL at jordan

:ugh:

shaheenara
April 15th, 2006, 12:16 PM
LOL at jordan

:ugh:
oii wha u laughin at...lol bet u wuld then eh??? lol and the birth thing is if u've got a inherited thingy and ur cousin has 2 and u 2 have *eurghh* sex...and then hav a baby the genes put together both hav that inherited thingy and ur baby gets it..plus ur baby prolly comes out lookin lyk ur chacha or suttn.eurghhh.

XxCrZyGuJuxX
April 15th, 2006, 12:18 PM
eeek NO.. that's disgusting..

sweetest_sin
April 15th, 2006, 12:19 PM
EW no it's freaking nasty
:Puker:

it's still incest to me. :|

(sic)
April 15th, 2006, 12:20 PM
oii wha u laughin at...lol bet u wuld then eh??? lol and the birth thing is if u've got a inherited thingy and ur cousin has 2 and u 2 have *eurghh* sex...and then hav a baby the genes put together both hav that inherited thingy and ur baby gets it..plus ur baby prolly comes out lookin lyk ur chacha or suttn.eurghhh.
go back to school and come back to me when you can speak english little girl

kaseem
April 15th, 2006, 12:22 PM
say ur parents said...'right puttar,the time has come...and i have found u a nice fresh mango straight off the bananananananana boat aka UR COUSIN'... would u do it????? :neutral:

eurgh personally...me...NO! hehe but das me. :D

Hell no there is a higher statistical chance of the offspring having some form of genetic disease. Why would you knowingly do that and cousins are like family, well for me they r like bro and sisters that i neva had.

That would be insest :no:


INCREASE THE GENE POOL :D

shaheenara
April 15th, 2006, 12:23 PM
lol yeahh ok!! i wouldnt come bac 2 u even if i could,big deal...learn the lingo!!

Smartchild
April 15th, 2006, 12:25 PM
so many STUPID threads l8ly. thats all i have to say. hehe.

rated_R
April 15th, 2006, 12:26 PM
say ur parents said...'right puttar,the time has come...and i have found u a nice fresh mango straight off the bananananananana boat aka UR COUSIN'... would u do it????? :neutral:

eurgh personally...me...NO! hehe but das me. :D


right puttar,the time has come :rofl:
i have found u a nice fresh mango straight off the bananananananana boat :roflbow:
would u do it????? no wayyy... :)

mani_nami
April 15th, 2006, 12:31 PM
yeah.absolutely.nothing wrong with that.i see no reason of not doing it.

krazii aqqie
April 15th, 2006, 12:32 PM
that's creepy but me and my like 4th/5th/6th cousin (one of them. i dunno which one...) liked each other before we found out we were cousins. :no:

imdaman99
April 15th, 2006, 12:36 PM
if monica bellucci was my cousin sure why not :dunno:

but then again my cousins dont look anything like that :p

shaheenara
April 15th, 2006, 12:39 PM
lol monica whas-her-name-thingy.lolll ahh well...all my cuzs ugly 2...hmm bad luck eh?

sedated_stars
April 15th, 2006, 12:51 PM
say ur parents said...'right puttar,the time has come...and i have found u a nice fresh mango straight off the bananananananana boat aka UR COUSIN'... would u do it????? :neutral:

eurgh personally...me...NO! hehe but das me. :D

guess ur saying that from experiance eh!!!!

FTJfag
April 15th, 2006, 12:52 PM
If she was super sexy...yeah.

MolviCorleone
April 15th, 2006, 12:54 PM
if i lived in a village back home where everybody is my cousin anyway............



answer=NOOOO

$H@MZ
April 15th, 2006, 01:16 PM
thats just way too wrong.
i hear marrying someone with same blood-relation cause birth defects.

yes it does indeed

Officer Khan
April 15th, 2006, 02:41 PM
Baby I just wanna get laid!!!! And then i'll devorce his ass :p

.AK.
April 15th, 2006, 02:42 PM
say ur parents said...'right puttar,the time has come...and i have found u a nice fresh mango straight off the bananananananana boat aka UR COUSIN'... would u do it????? :neutral:

eurgh personally...me...NO! hehe but das me. :D
u left a commnt for me sayin good idea, wut good idea:mad:

wiNk wiNk ....
April 15th, 2006, 02:45 PM
say ur parents said...'right puttar,the time has come...and i have found u a nice fresh mango straight off the bananananananana boat aka UR COUSIN'... would u do it????? :neutral:

eurgh personally...me...NO! hehe but das me. :D
yur a post whore young lady ..

insomniac987
April 15th, 2006, 02:46 PM
hell fucking no

Social_larki
April 15th, 2006, 02:53 PM
one of my cousins got married recently... to my other cousin :eekwtf:
i wont do it... my cousins are :eek:

.AK.
April 15th, 2006, 02:54 PM
one of my cousins got married recently... to my other cousin :eekwtf:
i wont do it... my cousins are :eek:
...ugly?

RacingSoul
April 15th, 2006, 02:54 PM
Wat The Fuck U Been Smokin Girl?

shaheenara
April 15th, 2006, 03:00 PM
lolll shadapp..post whore? err noooo.lol not been smokin nutn...does appen u kno. hmm not 2 me!! and u lot i guess.lol ceot 4 d girls hus 2 cuzs got married...gud luck 2 dem eh?

BMW-racer
April 15th, 2006, 03:01 PM
my cousins are hot!
it runs in the family, damn you!

Irreligious Left
April 15th, 2006, 03:04 PM
If she was super sexy...yeah.

This is correct.

dopekhor
April 15th, 2006, 03:04 PM
no!

zaph69
April 15th, 2006, 03:18 PM
consanguinity is when you and the other person share a common great grandparent. anything outside that boundary is fair enough but anything within that, ew!!

Social_larki
April 15th, 2006, 03:20 PM
...ugly?


lol yes sorry left that out.. haha

sarkar_jot
April 15th, 2006, 03:25 PM
EEEEWWWW!
Hell no!

Social_larki
April 15th, 2006, 03:30 PM
Baby I just wanna get laid!!!! And then i'll devorce his ass :p



:rofl:

Social_larki
April 15th, 2006, 03:31 PM
my cousins are hot!
it runs in the family, damn you!

thas weird... it skipped you :sarb:

Roshii
April 15th, 2006, 03:34 PM
hell yeah
all of my cousins are hot
i wouldnt mind ;P :Pelvic2:






































:ugh: who am i kidding? :barf:

WildWolfdog
April 15th, 2006, 03:38 PM
I would definitely marrry a cousin if it was a cousin of my choice who i liked, my cousins are pretty/hot, funny, smart and have a personality to boot - so i would.

pacora
April 15th, 2006, 03:41 PM
Alll those who are going ewwwwwwwww need to go back a few generations and see that its proabbly happend in thier family too. after all we are all desi.
my opinion though- no. my cousins are like my siblings.

gori_gori
April 15th, 2006, 03:45 PM
No.

americanmohit
April 15th, 2006, 03:49 PM
if celina jaitely was my cousin, then i wont mind getting married to her :p

shaheenara
April 15th, 2006, 03:50 PM
hahaha lol skipped a generation...lol hehe gud1!! lol marryin ur cuz,specially if u close 2 dem is like marryin ur bro or sis innit?das hw i treat my cuzs lol.

RacingSoul
April 15th, 2006, 04:49 PM
I would definitely marrry a cousin if it was a cousin of my choice who i liked, my cousins are pretty/hot, funny, smart and have a personality to boot - so i would.

:wtf:

u need counselling :neutral:

Shortyy
April 15th, 2006, 05:03 PM
If it was my blood cousin then i see nooo.
But if it is far cousin or sometin then sure why not
if i like him.

WildWolfdog
April 16th, 2006, 01:58 PM
:wtf:

u need counselling :neutral:

Why? Because i don't have the same views as you on inter-cousin marraige?

kaseem
April 16th, 2006, 02:01 PM
Why? Because i don't have the same views as you on inter-cousin marraige?

no you need counseling for the reason i mentioned on the first page and if you stil have that view your stupid pal

"Hell no there is a higher statistical chance of the offspring having some form of genetic disease. Why would you knowingly do that and cousins are like family, well for me they r like bro and sisters that i neva had.

That would be insest


INCREASE THE GENE POOL "

*N!K!TA*
April 16th, 2006, 02:04 PM
EEEEEWWWWW HOW CAN U SEE UR CUZIN LYK DATTTT Ma cuzzinz r ma cuzzin bro's..jus d way i been brought up..hmmm..i dunno if dis haz ne kinda religious ting behind it which makez ppl find it acceptable..i dunno itz jus nasty 4 me..plus i think it haz sum kinda affect on the kidz..

BDzFinEst
April 16th, 2006, 02:09 PM
personally, i wouldn`t do it.

but.. as far as distant cousins by marriage and stuff -- i wouldn`t
think it`s a BIG deal , but I couldn`t see myself going through and
doing something of that ordeal. && plus, it`s only an issue if they
are close cousins like by blood and all.

pakistanmanz
April 16th, 2006, 02:09 PM
say ur parents said...'right puttar,the time has come...and i have found u a nice fresh mango straight off the bananananananana boat aka UR COUSIN'... would u do it????? :neutral:

eurgh personally...me...NO! hehe but das me. :D

Ummm... Hell no, besides I hate that side of my family. I wouldnt ever marry a freshy (Aishwarya Rai is the exception - she loaded). I dnt want 2 be married 2 any relation.

*N!K!TA*
April 16th, 2006, 02:11 PM
Ummm... Hell no, besides I hate that side of my family. I wouldnt ever marry a freshy (Aishwarya Rai is the exception - she loaded). I dnt want 2 be married 2 any relation.

Exactly.U End up sharin auntz n unclez n crap..+ur motha in law iz ur aunt..itz all wierd...

kaseem
April 16th, 2006, 02:15 PM
Why Risk Marage with a Reli When you know Stats show Offspring to have Defects at a higher rate than normal ? you have to be dum to inflict that on your child

im not talking about distant reli's

ewwwww
April 16th, 2006, 02:16 PM
I dont want my kids to be SLOW.

pakistanmanz
April 16th, 2006, 02:19 PM
Exactly.U End up sharin auntz n unclez n crap..+ur motha in law iz ur aunt..itz all wierd...

Definatly. Its so sick.

WildWolfdog
April 16th, 2006, 02:23 PM
no you need counciling for the reason i mentioned on the first page and if you stil have that view your stupid pal

"Hell no there is a higher statistical chance of the offspring having some form of genetic disease. Why would you knowingly do that and cousins are like family, well for me they r like bro and sisters that i neva had.

That would be insest

INCREASE THE GENE POOL "

Are you stupid? I'm stupid because I won't listen to your weak arguments? The rate of birth defects is 2-3% and even that is when there is a history of inter-cousin marriages in the family dating back a few generations.

Just because you view them as your brother and sister's doesn't necessarily mean everyone will view them the same way. I don't need to think of them as the siblings i never had because i already have 3 siblings. I'll choose which one I choose to view as how thank you.

http://abr.christiananswers.net/enews/aug2003.html

ewwwww
April 16th, 2006, 02:25 PM
Are you stupid? I'm stupid because I won't listen to your weak arguments? The rate of birth defects is 2-3% and even that is when there is a history of inter-cousin marriages in the family dating back a few generations.

Just because you view them as your brother and sister's doesn't necessarily mean everyone will view them the same way. I don't need to think of them as the siblings i never had because i already have 3 siblings. I'll choose which one I choose to view as how thank you.

http://abr.christiananswers.net/enews/aug2003.html

Might as well marry ur mom....

WildWolfdog
April 16th, 2006, 02:25 PM
EEEEEWWWWW HOW CAN U SEE UR CUZIN LYK DATTTT Ma cuzzinz r ma cuzzin bro's..jus d way i been brought up..hmmm..i dunno if dis haz ne kinda religious ting behind it which makez ppl find it acceptable..i dunno itz jus nasty 4 me..plus i think it haz sum kinda affect on the kidz..

You know what, you're probably right. I'm sure if you look at your family history, your parents and their parents and the whole chain was married to their cousins, enabling the defect to be found in you, making you type the way you do along with the childish "ewwwwwsssss". (that goes for many others here).

WildWolfdog
April 16th, 2006, 02:26 PM
Might as well marry ur mom....

Definitely, because obviously my mom and the offsprings of her siblings or her siblings cousin's are definitely the same people. :neutral:

ewwwww
April 16th, 2006, 02:27 PM
Definitely, because obviously my mom and the offsprings of her siblings or her siblings cousin's are definitely the same people. :neutral:
Well you gotta agree theyre of the same gene pool....

kaseem
April 16th, 2006, 02:28 PM
Are you stupid? I'm stupid because I won't listen to your weak arguments? The rate of birth defects is 2-3% and even that is when there is a history of inter-cousin marriages in the family dating back a few generations.

Just because you view them as your brother and sister's doesn't necessarily mean everyone will view them the same way. I don't need to think of them as the siblings i never had because i already have 3 siblings. I'll choose which one I choose to view as how thank you.

http://abr.christiananswers.net/enews/aug2003.html


O thats a very intresting stat "The rate of birth defects is 2-3%" got a refrence to that ? cause thats bollocks the rate of genetic defect between firt cousins is well higher than that

but its your call you seem 2 be a risk taker if you ask me even if its a 1 % chance and we are talking in terms of risk to a baby i wud neva risk it

*N!K!TA*
April 16th, 2006, 02:28 PM
Might as well marry ur mom....
lol get me...

WildWolfdog
April 16th, 2006, 02:29 PM
Well you gotta agree theyre of the same gene pool....

Next time you go on a date with a desi, look at your family tree along with their family tree, hopefully you'll see a link and then not go out with the person anymore, cuz the gene pool will be the same.

WildWolfdog
April 16th, 2006, 02:30 PM
O thats a very intresting stat "The rate of birth defects is 2-3%" got a refrence to that ? cause thats bollocks the rate of genetic defect between firt cousins is well higher than that

but its your call you seem 2 be a risk taker if you ask me even if its a 1 % chance and we are talking in terms of risk to a baby i wud neva risk it

Everything you do in life is a risk isn't it? Can you tell me the actual "well higher" stats please, along with references? 2% out of a possible 100% isn't that big a risk.

*N!K!TA*
April 16th, 2006, 02:32 PM
You know what, you're probably right. I'm sure if you look at your family history, your parents and their parents and the whole chain was married to their cousins, enabling the defect to be found in you, making you type the way you do along with the childish "ewwwwwsssss". (that goes for many others here).
No way my whole family finkz dat sh!tz jus messd up..and itz reeli disgustin man..firstly do u actually agree wid marryin cuzinz or not, because ur sayin dat if i look at my famly history, someone must have marryd their cuzin, as though ur saying theres nothing rong with it..while on the other hand u seem aware of the fact that it affects the children..so r u stupid and willing to risk ur children having the defects?..or jus plain stupid?...

*N!K!TA*
April 16th, 2006, 02:33 PM
Everything you do in life is a risk isn't it? Can you tell me the actual "well higher" stats please, along with references? 2% out of a possible 100% isn't that big a risk.

Thatz 2% of a chance dat ur children will b born wid defects and mite not b able to lead normal lives..ud seriusly risk that?

WildWolfdog
April 16th, 2006, 02:34 PM
No way my whole family finkz dat sh!tz jus messd up..and itz reeli disgustin man..firstly do u actually agree wid marryin cuzinz or not, because ur sayin dat if i look at my famly history, someone must have marryd their cuzin, as though ur saying theres nothing rong with it..while on the other hand u seem aware of the fact that it affects the children..so r u stupid and willing to risk ur children having the defects?..or jus plain stupid?...

How the fuck do you purposely type that way???

1) I see nothing wrong with cousins marrying cousins
2) The rate of defects in inter-cousin marriages isn't too high to my knowledge
3) I'm sure there's a cousin marriage in your family, unless you're part desi part white

kaseem
April 16th, 2006, 02:34 PM
Everything you do in life is a risk isn't it? Can you tell me the actual "well higher" stats please, along with references? 2% out of a possible 100% isn't that big a risk.

i asked first bitch where did you get 2 % from ? did you just make a figure up

everything that involves risk in life virtually has to be done.
you compare risk in life to risk of offspring having a deformity what a daft comparison !

ewwwww
April 16th, 2006, 02:36 PM
Next time you go on a date with a desi, look at your family tree along with their family tree, hopefully you'll see a link and then not go out with the person anymore, cuz the gene pool will be the same.
Well arabs do this incest shit & most of their kids hv genetic diseases like sickle cell anemia or thalysemmia (dunno how to spell it). I dont know why do they still do it.....Do they hate their unborn kids or something?

kaseem
April 16th, 2006, 02:37 PM
Well arabs do this incest shit & most of their kids hv genetic diseases like sickle cell anemia or thalysemmia (dunno how to spell it). I dont know why do they still do it.....Do they hate their unborn kids or something?


exactally genetic disorders such as sickle cell anemia or blood disorders are more common amoung our ppl thalysemmia i learnt that at A level !

ewwwww
April 16th, 2006, 02:38 PM
i asked first bitch where did you get 2 % from ? did you just make a figure up

everything that involves risk in life virtually has to be done.
you compare risk in life to risk of offspring having a deformity what a daft comparison !
Counseling that children of first cousins face only a 2-3% higher risk of birth defects than the rest of the population


But I still feel the number is too low.

WildWolfdog
April 16th, 2006, 02:39 PM
Well arabs do this incest shit & most of their kids hv genetic diseases like sickle cell anemia or thalysemmia (dunno how to spell it). I dont know why do they still do it.....Do they hate their unborn kids or something?

Jews do it as well, it's a part of jewish culture, and as we all know they're all stupid aren't they? :rolleyes:

WildWolfdog
April 16th, 2006, 02:40 PM
Counseling that children of first cousins face only a 2-3% higher risk of birth defects than the rest of the population


But I still feel the number is too low.

I can't tell if that was attempted sarcasm.

*N!K!TA*
April 16th, 2006, 02:40 PM
How the fuck do you purposely type that way???

1) I see nothing wrong with cousins marrying cousins
2) The rate of defects in inter-cousin marriages isn't too high to my knowledge
3) I'm sure there's a cousin marriage in your family, unless you're part desi part white

Ur seriusly fuckd in da hed mate..try and hold up a decent convo or argument without just being childish n tkin da piss outa me init..da way i see it, even if as u say the chances of the children having defects arent very high, ur still aware that there is a very small chance that ur children COULD have defects..so y would u wanna take that risk?

WildWolfdog
April 16th, 2006, 02:40 PM
i asked first bitch where did you get 2 % from ? did you just make a figure up

everything that involves risk in life virtually has to be done.
you compare risk in life to risk of offspring having a deformity what a daft comparison !

I asked second slut - what's your point? I searched in google, and the first article i felt was credible enough, i referenced from. I provided the link dumbass.

Yeah i would take the risk if i think the marriage will be successful and provide happiness for everyone involved, not just the couple. Are you saying ALL the defects in the world are because of intercousin marriages? Babies born without organs or body parts or down syndrome are all a result of intercousin marriage? If the risk is still there, why not stop reproducing, period? Cuz the risk is still there innit?

kaseem
April 16th, 2006, 02:40 PM
Ur seriusly fuckd in da hed mate..try and hold up a decent convo or argument without just being childish n tkin da piss outa me init..da way i see it, even if as u say the chances of the children having defects arent very high, ur still aware that there is a very small chance that ur children COULD have defects..so y would u wanna take that risk?

cause he is an idiot you cant think staright !

WildWolfdog
April 16th, 2006, 02:40 PM
Ur seriusly fuckd in da hed mate..try and hold up a decent convo or argument without just being childish n tkin da piss outa me init..da way i see it, even if as u say the chances of the children having defects arent very high, ur still aware that there is a very small chance that ur children COULD have defects..so y would u wanna take that risk?

Read what i wrote below you just now, to kaseem.

WildWolfdog
April 16th, 2006, 02:41 PM
cause he is an idiot you cant think staright !

I'm an idiot but he/she is the one who can't think straight? "Errr" :sarb:

AFGHAN_ZMARAI
April 16th, 2006, 02:42 PM
say ur parents said...'right puttar,the time has come...and i have found u a nice fresh mango straight off the bananananananana boat aka UR COUSIN'... would u do it????? :neutral:

eurgh personally...me...NO! hehe but das me. :D


well my elders wouldnt say puttar, they'd say "haleka"

and no I wouldnt have a problem , I'm muslim and in the qu'ran its perfectly fine to marry the cousin. What would faulty people know compared to the All-Knowing Creator?AND ALL THE bio-genetic data against cousin marriage is flimsy and statistically inconsistent.

I have never seen a problem with it, the only people who do are have an anxiety because of what White people say.

kaseem
April 16th, 2006, 02:42 PM
I asked second slut - what's your point? I searched in google, and the first article i felt was credible enough, i referenced from. I provided the link dumbass.

Yeah i would take the risk if i think the marriage will be successful and provide happiness for everyone involved, not just the couple. Are you saying ALL the defects in the world are because of intercousin marriages? Babies born without organs or body parts or down syndrome are all a result of intercousin marriage? If the risk is still there, why not stop reproducing, period? Cuz the risk is still there innit?

you silly turd go marry your cousin you sick prat insect having mofo :p

*~MuFFiN~*
April 16th, 2006, 02:43 PM
personally i wouldnt ....

AFGHAN_ZMARAI
April 16th, 2006, 02:43 PM
I asked second slut - what's your point? I searched in google, and the first article i felt was credible enough, i referenced from. I provided the link dumbass.

Yeah i would take the risk if i think the marriage will be successful and provide happiness for everyone involved, not just the couple. Are you saying ALL the defects in the world are because of intercousin marriages? Babies born without organs or body parts or down syndrome are all a result of intercousin marriage? If the risk is still there, why not stop reproducing, period? Cuz the risk is still there innit?


Yeah man intercousin marriage is blown out of proportion

i read some data that Cousin marriage only has a marginal increase compared to Any Normal marriage which means that it's still within Standard deviation.

*N!K!TA*
April 16th, 2006, 02:43 PM
Read what i wrote below you just now, to kaseem.
Yeah i read that..i know that marryin cousins isnt the only reason for diseases etc, but its a known fact that its more likely that a child will have defects if u marry your cousin than if u dont..i just dont know y u would want to do dat wen u could marry anyone else..and u say u want everyone to be happy, not just the couple..does that not include the unborn child?

ewwwww
April 16th, 2006, 02:44 PM
Jews do it as well, it's a part of jewish culture, and as we all know they're all stupid aren't they? :rolleyes:
Rednecks do it too

*N!K!TA*
April 16th, 2006, 02:44 PM
you silly turd go marry your cousin you sick prat insect having mofo :p
lol..ahem itz INCEST darlin :p lol

kaseem
April 16th, 2006, 02:45 PM
I'm an idiot but he/she is the one who can't think straight? "Errr" :sarb:


ooooo we got a proofreader on our hands, you silly shmuck do one insest bastraa ! :p

AFGHAN_ZMARAI
April 16th, 2006, 02:45 PM
Yeah i read that..i know that marryin cousins isnt the only reason for diseases etc, but its a known fact that its more likely that a child will have defects if u marry your cousin than if u dont..i just dont know y u would want to do dat wen u could marry anyone else..and u say u want everyone to be happy, not just the couple..does that not include the unborn child?


Do you know how much more likely?

1.5% ..yes 1.5% ....thats like NOTHING , thats NOT EVEN one standard deviation!

so dont let exaggerations fool you.

kaseem
April 16th, 2006, 02:45 PM
lol..ahem itz INCEST darlin :p lol

LOL its cool shud have left it to Mr Proofreader in the Red !

AFGHAN_ZMARAI
April 16th, 2006, 02:46 PM
Rednecks do it too


So do asians , so do armenians , so do greeks, so do turks, so do africans , just because rednecks happen to do it means nothing.

Fatty4life
April 16th, 2006, 02:46 PM
no :ugh: they're like brothers to me.

kaseem
April 16th, 2006, 02:47 PM
Do you know how much more likely?

1.5% ..yes 1.5% ....thats like NOTHING , thats NOT EVEN one standard deviation!

so dont lets exaggerations fool you.

if i know the chances are 1.5 % higher i woulnt do it why would you subject your new born to that added risk ? why would you do it ?

*N!K!TA*
April 16th, 2006, 02:48 PM
Do you know how much more likely?

1.5% ..yes 1.5% ....thats like NOTHING , thats NOT EVEN one standard deviation!

so dont let exaggerations fool you.

Just a matter of opinion coz i still wouldnt risk that even if it is 1.5%

pankaj9211
April 16th, 2006, 02:50 PM
No I will never marry my cousin. Genetic diversity is required not optional, unless of course you like defect babies!

AFGHAN_ZMARAI
April 16th, 2006, 02:50 PM
Well arabs do this incest shit & most of their kids hv genetic diseases like sickle cell anemia or thalysemmia (dunno how to spell it). I dont know why do they still do it.....Do they hate their unborn kids or something?


Arabs have sickle cell anemia but, so do chaldeans , and Ethiopians and other Semites. Sickle Cell Anemia is a Afrio-Semetic thing , has very little to do with cousin marriages. As sickle cell can happen with non-cousins too.

AFGHAN_ZMARAI
April 16th, 2006, 02:51 PM
Just a matter of opinion coz i still wouldnt risk that even if it is 1.5%


Well why marry at all then , the general risk is already several percents.

kaseem
April 16th, 2006, 02:52 PM
Arabs have sickle cell anemia but, so do chaldeans , and Ethiopians and other Semites. Sickle Cell Anemia is a Afrio-Semetic thing , has very little to do with cousin marriages. As sickle cell can happen with non-cousins too.

if i know the chances are 1.5 % higher why would you subject your new born to that added risk ? why would you do it ?

im really intrested to know your answer on why you think its ok to have the added risk ?

AFGHAN_ZMARAI
April 16th, 2006, 02:52 PM
if i know the chances are 1.5 % higher i woulnt do it why would you subject your new born to that added risk ? why would you do it ?


Because things are categorized within standard deviation , and a margin of risk THAT SMALL is almost like nothing in the Statistics world

AFGHAN_ZMARAI
April 16th, 2006, 02:54 PM
Some of you people are BRAINWASHED by the White-centered social hiearchy.

I mean cousin marriage is incest? They're not even born from the same Gametes as you are

how the heck can it be incest? ridiculous

pankaj9211
April 16th, 2006, 02:54 PM
Well why marry at all then , the general risk is already several percents.

Societies in which people marry there first cousins have higher rate of birth defects as mentioned in the BBC article below. No offense intended to the Pakistani audience on this board.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/newsnight/4442010.stm

kaseem
April 16th, 2006, 02:58 PM
Because things are categorized within standard deviation , and a margin of risk THAT SMALL is almost like nothing in the Statistics world

so you will be happy to subject your future child to have a possible higher rate of a disease. you go do that pal

WildWolfdog
April 16th, 2006, 03:14 PM
you silly turd go marry your cousin you sick prat insect having mofo :p

*yawn* glad to know you've realized you can't hold a debate or even argue properly in something you believe so much

ooooo we got a proofreader on our hands, you silly shmuck do one insest bastraa ! :p

can't spell either

LOL its cool shud have left it to Mr Proofreader in the Red !

jealousy. Yellow can be bought, Red has to be earned :D

WildWolfdog
April 16th, 2006, 03:16 PM
Yeah man intercousin marriage is blown out of proportion

i read some data that Cousin marriage only has a marginal increase compared to Any Normal marriage which means that it's still within Standard deviation.

Exactly. And it's not like it's increased exponentially either lol.

WildWolfdog
April 16th, 2006, 03:18 PM
Yeah i read that..i know that marryin cousins isnt the only reason for diseases etc, but its a known fact that its more likely that a child will have defects if u marry your cousin than if u dont..i just dont know y u would want to do dat wen u could marry anyone else..and u say u want everyone to be happy, not just the couple..does that not include the unborn child?

I didn't say that 100% i'm going to marry a cousin, but i could and should if i wanted to and felt it in my best interest. If you know a cousin well and have a lot in common, it's more likely IMO the marriage will last longer than say dating a stranger and getting divorced. Why marry a stranger if the divorce rate is 50+% - can you answer me that?

MolviCorleone
April 16th, 2006, 03:20 PM
so you will be happy to subject your future child to have a possible higher rate of a disease. you go do that pal

i think your stoned, the higher rate of disease isnt only a LITTLE bit higher. Are you really stupid enough to accuse another muslim of incest. Read the quran bro, we dont marry our aunts neices sisters.....thats incest. Marrying a 1st cousin is something i wouldnt do simply becuase it would be weird. Its not incest though and islamically is fine. If someone wants to marry a cousin i dont think you should insult that person since its allowed islamically, why dont you try insulting islam instead for not being against it if its really that bad.

WildWolfdog
April 16th, 2006, 03:21 PM
Just a matter of opinion coz i still wouldnt risk that even if it is 1.5%

if i know the chances are 1.5 % higher why would you subject your new born to that added risk ? why would you do it ?

Answer me this. Why do people have sex (protected/unprotected) when they know the condom or other birth control stuff can fail? Why do firefighters risk their lives everyday when they know they can die anyday? Why do hockey players play hockey everyday and try so hard so be better when there's a chance of a few % that they can have a career ending, life devastating injury anyday? Why do people buy a house when there's a good chance it can burn down? Why do they even have prisons when there's a % chance the cellmates can break out? WHY? Answer me those properly and i'll take into account your argument of "why do it at all".

MolviCorleone
April 16th, 2006, 03:21 PM
I didn't say that 100% i'm going to marry a cousin, but i could and should if i wanted to and felt it in my best interest. If you know a cousin well and have a lot in common, it's more likely IMO the marriage will last longer than say dating a stranger and getting divorced. Why marry a stranger if the divorce rate is 50+% - can you answer me that?

yeh 1st cousin would be a bit too weird. But a distant relative wouldnt be weird for me.

MolviCorleone
April 16th, 2006, 03:23 PM
if your muslim, you should know a calamity in this world is a reward in the next. Diseases are actually a reward :idea:

WildWolfdog
April 16th, 2006, 03:23 PM
i think your stoned, the higher rate of disease isnt only a LITTLE bit higher. Are you really stupid enough to accuse another muslim of incest. Read the quran bro, we dont marry our aunts neices sisters.....thats incest. Marrying a 1st cousin is something i wouldnt do simply becuase it would be weird. Its not incest though and islamically is fine. If someone wants to marry a cousin i dont think you should insult that person since its allowed islamically, why dont you try insulting islam instead for not being against it if its really that bad.

:love: always there. Lol and you're right, Quran defined what incest is and what it isn't and what you can or can't do - if it was not allowed in Islam, Allah would've specifically said "Don't marry your first cousins/cousins".

I understand if it's a matter of personal choice and personal opinion, everyone has a right to that. If it's weird for you then it's weird for you, that's the end of the story. It's incest according to other religions and cultures.

WildWolfdog
April 16th, 2006, 03:25 PM
yeh 1st cousin would be a bit too weird. But a distant relative wouldnt be weird for me.

Lol like i said in an earlier post i quoted you on, personal opinion is alright and it's totally different than trying to generalize something as completely wrong just because of your own views on it (not you, but the other posters who are going ewwwww it's incest it's sick it's disgusting).

IPunjabi.Blood
April 16th, 2006, 03:27 PM
Ewwwwww!!!! It's incest, it's sick, it's disgusting.

MolviCorleone
April 16th, 2006, 03:28 PM
Ewwwwww!!!! It's incest, it's sick, it's disgusting.

lol.....here we go again

WildWolfdog
April 16th, 2006, 03:28 PM
Ewwwwww!!!! It's incest, it's sick, it's disgusting.

Damnit jay! Lol how am i supposed to get pissed off at you? I are officially "in a pickle" :p

IPunjabi.Blood
April 16th, 2006, 03:29 PM
lol.....here we go again

I'm always up for the second round. :love:

Aurovon
April 16th, 2006, 03:29 PM
No, Jay will do for me.

IPunjabi.Blood
April 16th, 2006, 03:30 PM
Damnit jay! Lol how am i supposed to get pissed off at you? I are officially "in a pickle" :p

You can't get pissed off at me for stating an honest opinion. :roll:






















:love:

kaseem
April 16th, 2006, 03:32 PM
*yawn* glad to know you've realized you can't hold a debate or even argue properly in something you believe so much



can't spell either



jealousy. Yellow can be bought, Red has to be earned :D

rather be all of the above than be a cousin shagger you bladdy nonce

farazz
April 16th, 2006, 03:34 PM
sure i'd marry my cousin...but i don't think he's gay :(

kaseem
April 16th, 2006, 03:34 PM
i think your stoned, the higher rate of disease isnt only a LITTLE bit higher. Are you really stupid enough to accuse another muslim of incest. Read the quran bro, we dont marry our aunts neices sisters.....thats incest. Marrying a 1st cousin is something i wouldnt do simply becuase it would be weird. Its not incest though and islamically is fine. If someone wants to marry a cousin i dont think you should insult that person since its allowed islamically, why dont you try insulting islam instead for not being against it if its really that bad.


stoned ? na cuz its against my religion

God has also given us a brain in order for us to use and distinguish between whether a thing is good or bad my point is that you see fit to have a added risk factor to a new born thats bad in my books

kaseem
April 16th, 2006, 03:41 PM
on a final note any1 who sees fit to shag there 1st cousins can do so you are sick twisted ppl gud luck cause you will be needing it

and for the prick in red keep hugging teddy bears you puss flap and you wont have to worry about having offspring you wank stain !

*N!K!TA*
April 16th, 2006, 03:47 PM
Do u not understand this is a human life ur talking about - and UR OWN CHILD..yeh tru theres risks in anything u do but when some things can be avoided why do them. for example, a fire fighter is saving a LIFE which is y he would risk his own..however, y wud u marry ur cuzin when theres even the sliiitest increase in the chances of it havin defects or watever..even if it was 0.1%?!!!! no good is going to come out of it,its jus pathetic that u feel the need to fuck ur cuzin even tho u knw about the possible consequences..anyway allow this argument now - doubt ne of this is actually getin into ur hed soooo byebye and gudluk wid da deformd child..may u and ur CUZIN SISTER live happily ever after..x

kaseem
April 16th, 2006, 03:48 PM
Do u not understand this is a human life ur talking about - and UR OWN CHILD..yeh tru theres risks in anything u do but when some things can be avoided why do them. for example, a fire fighter is saving a LIFE which is y he would risk his own..however, y wud u marry ur cuzin when theres even the sliiitest increase in the chances of it havin defects or watever..even if it was 0.1%?!!!! no good is going to come out of it,its jus pathetic that u feel the need to fuck ur cuzin even tho u knw about the possible consequences..anyway allow this argument now - doubt ne of this is actually getin into ur hed soooo byebye and gudluk wid da deformd child..may u and ur CUZIN SISTER live happily ever after..x

they prob cant find no one else to marry you see :p

WildWolfdog
April 16th, 2006, 03:49 PM
on a final note any1 who sees fit to shag there 1st cousins can do so you are sick twisted ppl gud luck cause you will be needing it

and for the prick in red keep hugging teddy bears you puss flap and you wont have to worry about having offspring you wank stain !

Are your parents cousins? Cuz i think you have a defective brain which can't function properly. Just cuz your spewing out shit and using brit slang in the middle doesn't make your argumeny any better. You make no sense and the only thing you keep saying it's stupid, without proof or evidence. You're a class A dumbass.

*N!K!TA*
April 16th, 2006, 03:51 PM
Are your parents cousins? Cuz i think you have a defective brain which can't function properly. Just cuz your spewing out shit and using brit slang in the middle doesn't make your argumeny any better. You make no sense and the only thing you keep saying it's stupid, without proof or evidence. You're a class A dumbass.

Mate cum out wid sum different cumbacks..u used dat one on me erlia

kaseem
April 16th, 2006, 03:51 PM
Are your parents cousins? Cuz i think you have a defective brain which can't function properly. Just cuz your spewing out shit and using brit slang in the middle doesn't make your argumeny any better. You make no sense and the only thing you keep saying it's stupid, without proof or evidence. You're a class A dumbass.

thats coming from a fully grown guy holding a teddy bear on the net you funny turd :p

i think you will find its urself pal thats got a neurological disorder ! funny fucker

*N!K!TA*
April 16th, 2006, 03:52 PM
they prob cant find no one else to marry you see :p

Innit..ohhhh welll never mind hey lol..inbredz..

kaseem
April 16th, 2006, 03:52 PM
Innit..ohhhh welll never mind hey lol..inbredz..

:roflbow:

pankaj9211
April 16th, 2006, 03:54 PM
Societies in which people marry there first cousins have higher rate of birth defects as mentioned in the BBC article below. No offense intended to the Pakistani audience on this board.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/newsnight/4442010.stm



Are we still discussing this ? Maybe some of you are too lazy to click on the link & read the article...I will make it easy for you.... most important line of the article is copy & pasted below for your reading pleasure.




"British Pakistanis are 13 times more likely to have children with genetic disorders than the general population - they account for just over 3% of all births but have just under a third of all British children with such illnesses. "

"The variant genes that cause genetic illness tend to be very rare. In the general population the likelihood of a couple having the same variant gene is a hundred to one.

In cousin marriages, if one partner has a variant gene the risk that the other has it too is far higher - more like one in eight"

WildWolfdog
April 16th, 2006, 03:56 PM
Do u not understand this is a human life ur talking about - and UR OWN CHILD..yeh tru theres risks in anything u do but when some things can be avoided why do them. for example, a fire fighter is saving a LIFE which is y he would risk his own..however, y wud u marry ur cuzin when theres even the sliiitest increase in the chances of it havin defects or watever..even if it was 0.1%?!!!! no good is going to come out of it,its jus pathetic that u feel the need to fuck ur cuzin even tho u knw about the possible consequences..anyway allow this argument now - doubt ne of this is actually getin into ur hed soooo byebye and gudluk wid da deformd child..may u and ur CUZIN SISTER live happily ever after..x

I don't know why i'm even bothering replying to this. You never answered any my questions. And i can tell you're starting to get emotional (unstable). It's pathetic that i would choose to marry my cousin. If we all came from Adam and Eve, in a way we're all related then aren't we? It's pathetic that you have a one track narrow mind.

You're actually wishing a defective baby on me because I don't agree with the stupid nonsense you keep on posting on here? Wow, i'd much rather marry a cousin and have a defective baby then somehow end with a stupid shit of a wife like you.

FiVe1iZzO
April 16th, 2006, 03:57 PM
say ur parents said...'right puttar,the time has come...and i have found u a nice fresh mango straight off the bananananananana boat aka UR COUSIN'... would u do it????? :neutral:

eurgh personally...me...NO! hehe but das me. :D

thats fuckin NASTY who would even think of doin some shit like that haha

kaseem
April 16th, 2006, 04:00 PM
Are we still discussing this ? Maybe some of you are too lazy to click on the link & read the article...I will make it easy for you.... most important line of the article is copy & pasted below for your reading pleasure.




"British Pakistanis are 13 times more likely to have children with genetic disorders than the general population - they account for just over 3% of all births but have just under a third of all British children with such illnesses. "

"The variant genes that cause genetic illness tend to be very rare. In the general population the likelihood of a couple having the same variant gene is a hundred to one.

In cousin marriages, if one partner has a variant gene the risk that the other has it too is far higher - more like one in eight"

Thankyou very much for that informative piece of statistic

*N!K!TA*
April 16th, 2006, 04:02 PM
I don't know why i'm even bothering replying to this. You never answered any my questions. And i can tell you're starting to get emotional (unstable). It's pathetic that i would choose to marry my cousin. If we all came from Adam and Eve, in a way we're all related then aren't we? It's pathetic that you have a one track narrow mind.

You're actually wishing a defective baby on me because I don't agree with the stupid nonsense you keep on posting on here? Wow, i'd much rather marry a cousin and have a defective baby then somehow end with a stupid shit of a wife like you.


U dont even kno me - u fink im gettin "emotionally unstable".hmmm ohhkayy den..not quite but movin on..i aint WISHIN a defective baby on u but if u marry ur cuzin ur gona have 1.5% more of a chance to have one..however as u say that isnt much higher, u shouldnt have a problem with this..and i aint muslim so i dont wanna b gettin into the whole reliigous arguement about this..jus the simple FACTS that show theres a higher possibility of the child having defects should show u that marrying ur cousin is wrong..u shouldnt need people to tell u this..and btw who da fuk wud wanna marry u mate!??? was dat supposed to upset me lol

WildWolfdog
April 16th, 2006, 04:10 PM
Mate cum out wid sum different cumbacks..u used dat one on me erlia

I'd rather use the same shit on you, you're not worth thinking up of new disses.

WildWolfdog
April 16th, 2006, 04:11 PM
Innit..ohhhh welll never mind hey lol..inbredz..

Me and Molvi can probably "get more" than both your families combined.

WildWolfdog
April 16th, 2006, 04:11 PM
thats coming from a fully grown guy holding a teddy bear on the net you funny turd :p

i think you will find its urself pal thats got a neurological disorder ! funny fucker

U keep using the word funny but obviously you can't tell humor when it sticks both it legs up your ass.

kaseem
April 16th, 2006, 04:11 PM
The turd got the percentages wrong as well ! its not 1.5% or 2% its 4-5% and the shocking thing is that that 4-5% is a increase in childhood mortality

Journal of Medical Genetics

http://jmg.bmjjournals.com/cgi/content/extract/40/12/925

quote " Numerous reports on the health effects of inbreeding have focused mainly on its impact on reproduction, childhood mortality, and rare Mendelian disorders.2,3 For example, a 4–5% increase in childhood mortality has been found in the offspring of first cousin marriages, and similar results have been reported in other species. "


peer reviewed medical journal.

teddy bear man you a dick :p

*N!K!TA*
April 16th, 2006, 04:14 PM
U keep using the word funny but obviously you can't tell humor when it sticks both it legs up your ass.

LISTEN U DICKSHIT..how about actually sticking to the topic of the arguement instead of jus gunnin us coz u cant think of nuthin better to say.. first u fuckin proof-read our replies yeh and then u jus come out with sum REALLY LAME cussz..

WildWolfdog
April 16th, 2006, 04:14 PM
U dont even kno me - u fink im gettin "emotionally unstable".hmmm ohhkayy den..not quite but movin on..i aint WISHIN a defective baby on u but if u marry ur cuzin ur gona have 1.5% more of a chance to have one..however as u say that isnt much higher, u shouldnt have a problem with this..and i aint muslim so i dont wanna b gettin into the whole reliigous arguement about this..jus the simple FACTS that show theres a higher possibility of the child having defects should show u that marrying ur cousin is wrong..u shouldnt need people to tell u this..and btw who da fuk wud wanna marry u mate!??? was dat supposed to upset me lol

Quite a few people would. It did upset you because you replied to it and tried to insult me. "Good luck with your defective baby" - yeah, that's not wishing anything on me :rolleyes:

Facts show drinking screws your kidneys, smoking kills your lungs - people still do it knowingly. Go preach to them first. You can't read either, i already said what i had to. Thousands of people have babies with birth defects, most of them are not married to their cousins, they had babies knowingly still. Tell people to stop having kids period.

*N!K!TA*
April 16th, 2006, 04:15 PM
The turd got the percentages wrong as well ! its not 1.5% or 2% its 4-5% and the shocking thing is that that 4-55 is a increase in childhood mortality

Journal of Medical Genetics

http://jmg.bmjjournals.com/cgi/content/extract/40/12/925

quote " Numerous reports on the health effects of inbreeding have focused mainly on its impact on reproduction, childhood mortality, and rare Mendelian disorders.2,3 For example, a 4–5% increase in childhood mortality has been found in the offspring of first cousin marriages, and similar results have been reported in other species. "


peer reviewed medical journal.

teddy bear man you a dick :p


Oh 1.5%..5%..itz all da same to them..lol not quite high enuff lol..

WildWolfdog
April 16th, 2006, 04:17 PM
LISTEN U DICKSHIT..how about actually sticking to the topic of the arguement instead of jus gunnin us coz u cant think of nuthin better to say.. first u fuckin proof-read our replies yeh and then u jus come out with sum REALLY LAME cussz..

:blahblah: Is this post from your fuck buddy sticking to the topic? Didn't think so.

thats coming from a fully grown guy holding a teddy bear on the net you funny turd :p

i think you will find its urself pal thats got a neurological disorder ! funny fucker

kaseem
April 16th, 2006, 04:17 PM
U keep using the word funny but obviously you can't tell humor when it sticks both it legs up your ass.

humor up my ass ? you would know a thing or two about arses wudnt ya holding cuddly toys on the net Tera peh thenoo picheyo kush karda hunda ?

is that why you refer to ass and talk from personal experience :p

*N!K!TA*
April 16th, 2006, 04:19 PM
Quite a few people would. It did upset you because you replied to it and tried to insult me. "Good luck with your defective baby" - yeah, that's not wishing anything on me :rolleyes:

Facts show drinking screws your kidneys, smoking kills your lungs - people still do it knowingly. Go preach to them first. You can't read either, i already said what i had to. Thousands of people have babies with birth defects, most of them are not married to their cousins, they had babies knowingly still. Tell people to stop having kids period.
u think i got upset or offended jus becoz i sed sumthink back to u? but ur cussin me n kaseem all da time????? so r u gettin wound up????..
NEwhoo the thread is about marrying ur cuzzinz..not drinking/smoking or anythink els..unlike u i decided to stick to the topic..and stop talking like ur so uneducated - would stopping evry1 having kids be a good idea? think about it for a second

WildWolfdog
April 16th, 2006, 04:21 PM
The turd got the percentages wrong as well ! its not 1.5% or 2% its 4-5% and the shocking thing is that that 4-55 is a increase in childhood mortality

Journal of Medical Genetics

http://jmg.bmjjournals.com/cgi/content/extract/40/12/925

quote " Numerous reports on the health effects of inbreeding have focused mainly on its impact on reproduction, childhood mortality, and rare Mendelian disorders.2,3 For example, a 4–5% increase in childhood mortality has been found in the offspring of first cousin marriages, and similar results have been reported in other species. "


peer reviewed medical journal.

teddy bear man you a dick :p

From the same article.

However, the effects of inbreeding on late onset disorders are largely unknown, despite the fact that deleterious effects of inbreeding in other species are known to increase with age, as predicted by selection theory.6,7 The reported finding of greater inbreeding effects for traits such as blood pressure and serum cholesterol in middle age compared with early adult life is consistent with this.

BTW, the TITLE OF THE ARTICLE IS "Inbreeding and risk of late onset complex disease"

Hmmm ... i wonder if that changes things. :rolleyes:

WildWolfdog
April 16th, 2006, 04:26 PM
humor up my ass ? you would know a thing or two about arses wudnt ya holding cuddly toys on the net Tera peh thenoo picheyo kush karda hunda ?

is that why you refer to ass and talk from personal experience :p

That doesn't make sense. You are a waste of sperm. Funny and concise enough for you?

MrCanuck
April 16th, 2006, 04:27 PM
lol yeahhh well TOUCHWOOD ppl...it might happennnnn.messsn.scustin tho innit.eurghhh...but guys...wha if she looked lyk the asian version of i dunno...jordan???
English plz?

WildWolfdog
April 16th, 2006, 04:27 PM
u think i got upset or offended jus becoz i sed sumthink back to u? but ur cussin me n kaseem all da time????? so r u gettin wound up????..
NEwhoo the thread is about marrying ur cuzzinz..not drinking/smoking or anythink els..unlike u i decided to stick to the topic..and stop talking like ur so uneducated - would stopping evry1 having kids be a good idea? think about it for a second

It's called using examples to prove your point. I stuck to the topic as well, just used examples for other common things humans do which has a higher percentage of screwing up their lives. How old are you? 13?

paulie walnuts
April 16th, 2006, 04:30 PM
there have already been a million threads on this topic.

the only thing new about this one is that we've established that wildwolfdog's parents are first cousins.

mods, please close this thread before he has a heart attack.

kaseem
April 16th, 2006, 04:30 PM
From the same article.

However, the effects of inbreeding on late onset disorders are largely unknown, despite the fact that deleterious effects of inbreeding in other species are known to increase with age, as predicted by selection theory.6,7 The reported finding of greater inbreeding effects for traits such as blood pressure and serum cholesterol in middle age compared with early adult life is consistent with this.


Hmmm ... i wonder if that changes things. :rolleyes:


you are real stuid :p what part of "4–5% increase in childhood mortality has been found in the offspring of first cousin marriages" do you not understand now where is your refrence for a 2 % increase in genetic disorder you anal sphincter talking turd

*N!K!TA*
April 16th, 2006, 04:30 PM
humor up my ass ? you would know a thing or two about arses wudnt ya holding cuddly toys on the net Tera peh thenoo picheyo kush karda hunda ?

is that why you refer to ass and talk from personal experience :p

lolllllll

WildWolfdog
April 16th, 2006, 04:31 PM
there have already been a million threads on this topic.

the only thing new about this one is that we've established that wildwolfdog's parents are first cousins.

mods, please close this thread before he has a heart attack.

:blahblah: go suck on your walnuts dude.

WildWolfdog
April 16th, 2006, 04:32 PM
you are real stuid :p what part of "4–5% increase in childhood mortality has been found in the offspring of first cousin marriages" do you not understand now where is your refrence for a 2 % increase in genetic disorder you anal sphincter talking turd

What part of "the article is talking about something totally different" and "also talking about deficiencies when it comes to old age and having been on offspring of cousin marriage" don't YOU understand? I'll look for my references when i get time (go crazy on the fact i said i won't waste my time searching on it right now).

kaseem
April 16th, 2006, 04:33 PM
there have already been a million threads on this topic.

the only thing new about this one is that we've established that wildwolfdog's parents are first cousins.

mods, please close this thread before he has a heart attack.

:rofl:

WildWolfdog
April 16th, 2006, 04:33 PM
lolllllll

Translation: Since i've been repeatedly getting owned in this thread along with kaseem, i'll just laugh at anything he types to show my support.

kaseem
April 16th, 2006, 04:34 PM
What part of "the article is talking about something totally different" and "also talking about deficiencies when it comes to old age and having been on offspring of cousin marriage" don't YOU understand? I'll look for my references when i get time (go crazy on the fact i said i won't waste my time searching on it right now).

puss flap bs talking bitch go hold ur teddy cunto

sour loser i prooved the risks involved you still cant accept it i dont falut you for that its your choice wheather you want your off spring to have a 4-5% higer childhood mortality rate than normal

you say it ok i say its sick end off

*N!K!TA*
April 16th, 2006, 04:35 PM
It's called using examples to prove your point. I stuck to the topic as well, just used examples for other common things humans do which has a higher percentage of screwing up their lives. How old are you? 13?
Try 17..I KNOW WHAT U WERE SAYIN DICKFACE but the examples u gave , most had some sort of beneficial result..what exactly is good out of marrying ur cousin as opposed to any other woman in the world? do u not understand theres an increase in the chances of the baby having defects..how many tymz man..if u cant grab that concept then its ur prob ..b it a small increase or big, ur risking ur OWN UNBORN BABY being affected..what kind of person r u 2 sacrifice the happiness of ur baby just for ur sick twisted plesure of maryin ur sis..

WildWolfdog
April 16th, 2006, 04:37 PM
puss flap bs talking bitch go hold ur teddy cunto

The fact you've been embarassed repeatedly makes you talk jibberish eh.

MolviCorleone
April 16th, 2006, 04:37 PM
stoned ? na cuz its against my religion

God has also given us a brain in order for us to use and distinguish between whether a thing is good or bad my point is that you see fit to have a added risk factor to a new born thats bad in my books

prove it

go on

i bet you cant

*N!K!TA*
April 16th, 2006, 04:37 PM
Translation: Since i've been repeatedly getting owned in this thread along with kaseem, i'll just laugh at anything he types to show my support.
how abt shutin the fuck up..cum swivel on ma middle finger u asswipe.. AND ONCE AGAIN stop taking time outs from the argument while u think of more to say - and stick to the topic..

OYE_PAGAL
April 16th, 2006, 04:38 PM
EWwwWWWWwwWWWWW hell na who ever sayz yes is :nuts:

WildWolfdog
April 16th, 2006, 04:40 PM
Try 17..I KNOW WHAT U WERE SAYIN DICKFACE but the examples u gave , most had some sort of beneficial result..what exactly is good out of marrying ur cousin as opposed to any other woman in the world? do u not understand theres an increase in the chances of the baby having defects..how many tymz man..if u cant grab that concept then its ur prob ..b it a small increase or big, ur risking ur OWN UNBORN BABY being affected..what kind of person r u 2 sacrifice the happiness of ur baby just for ur sick twisted plesure of maryin ur sis..

How does one become a dickface? I dont know what dicks you've been sucking, but i think the proper term is dickhead, and even that is when the guy has a bald or cone shaped head, wow, i guess you've been sucking those deficient dicks left and right - no wonder you're so emotional eh.

What beneficial result does drinking and smoking have? Maybe the fact that you know your cousin more, the families know each other and like each other have something to do with it? The fact that your cousin won't go cheat on someone just because she might get bored of you (the family ties). Try those examples for size.

If it's my personal choice i don't see you changing my mind, especially using the same repetitive redundant information i've already refuted.

kaseem
April 16th, 2006, 04:40 PM
The fact you've been embarassed repeatedly makes you talk jibberish eh.

exactally when did you embarrare me by correcting my grammer or spelling mistake you gimp

when it comes to embarrassing i dont need do nought to you. your doing a pretty good job by urself holdin a flamming teddy at the age of 20 you nonce you shud be ashamed of yourself :p

kaseem
April 16th, 2006, 04:41 PM
prove it

go on

i bet you cant

cant be fucked you prove it 06 molvi

WildWolfdog
April 16th, 2006, 04:43 PM
exactally when did you embarrare me by correcting my grammer or spelling mistake you gimp

when it comes to embarrassing i dont need do nought to you. your doing a pretty good job by urself holdin a flamming teddy at the age of 20 you nonce you shud be ashamed of yourself :p

My avatar is of me in a suit. You must have homosexual tendencies if you've been checking out my gallery pics as well?

You can't spelt, you can't argue, you don't even have a pic up, so i'll presume you're an ugly insecure fuck.

sarb
April 16th, 2006, 04:43 PM
marry my cousin? naw.

i'll just stick to the casual cousin sex.

WildWolfdog
April 16th, 2006, 04:44 PM
how abt shutin the fuck up..cum swivel on ma middle finger u asswipe.. AND ONCE AGAIN stop taking time outs from the argument while u think of more to say - and stick to the topic..

Yeah, what you just said is REALLY sticking to the topic. Just cuz your dad swivels on your finger doesn't mean all the guys in the world will do that to plesae you.

*N!K!TA*
April 16th, 2006, 04:45 PM
How does one become a dickface? I dont know what dicks you've been sucking, but i think the proper term is dickhead, and even that is when the guy has a bald or cone shaped head, wow, i guess you've been sucking those deficient dicks left and right - no wonder you're so emotional eh.

What beneficial result does drinking and smoking have? Maybe the fact that you know your cousin more, the families know each other and like each other have something to do with it? The fact that your cousin won't go cheat on someone just because she might get bored of you (the family ties). Try those examples for size.

If it's my personal choice i don't see you changing my mind, especially using the same repetitive redundant information i've already refuted.

Ima jus ignore that whole dicksucking thing u saddo..aint startin arguments about nex tings..yeh who sed i agree wid drinkin or smoking? smokingz fuckd up as well but the reason i feel so strongly about the marrying ur cuzinz thing is becuase in the case of smoking and drinkin (unless the woman is pregnant) your harming urself..however wid this issue, ur could potentially be harming your unborn child..yeah well NEway like u sed, u aint goona change ur mind, i aint changing mind, end of really aint it..

kaseem
April 16th, 2006, 04:46 PM
how abt shutin the fuck up..cum swivel on ma middle finger u asswipe.. AND ONCE AGAIN stop taking time outs from the argument while u think of more to say - and stick to the topic..


he's a clown ive given him evidence but yet he has not provided nought to proove his point and the good thing is the majority of ppl agree with us who hav posted on the thread so there is some sanity in the world

right im off to have a relaxing spliff ! c u l8r m8 :wavey:

*N!K!TA*
April 16th, 2006, 04:46 PM
Yeah, what you just said is REALLY sticking to the topic. Just cuz your dad swivels on your finger doesn't mean all the guys in the world will do that to plesae you.

if ur gonna say shit to me i aint gonna stay quiet am i..all d shit ur sayin to me aint even gettin a reaction

IPunjabi.Blood
April 16th, 2006, 04:48 PM
LOL@all of you

kaseem
April 16th, 2006, 04:49 PM
My avatar is of me in a suit. You must have homosexual tendencies if you've been checking out my gallery pics as well?

You can't spelt, you can't argue, you don't even have a pic up, so i'll presume you're an ugly insecure fuck.

the teddy pic left me scared. A grown 20 year old with a teddy id say thats traumatic i think if you lived here in the UK you would defo be on the paedophile register you nonce :p

Gimmeck
April 16th, 2006, 04:50 PM
I understand that its a norm in some cultures but :wtf:

*N!K!TA*
April 16th, 2006, 04:53 PM
the teddy pic left me scared. A grown 20 year old with a teddy id say thats traumatic i think if you lived here in the UK you would defo be on the paedophile register you nonce :p

where dus he liv? lol iz he in india or pakistan?? hehehe lol..freshpot

_A-s-H-i_
April 16th, 2006, 04:54 PM
FUCK NO :shock:

TaCoMaStUd
April 16th, 2006, 04:56 PM
HELL FUKIN NO i dont want my kids to look like crackheads!!!!!!!!!!!

pakistanmanz
April 16th, 2006, 04:57 PM
FUCK NO :shock:

Hmm, every1 says that, 4 obvisious reasons.

_A-s-H-i_
April 16th, 2006, 05:06 PM
Hmm, every1 says that, 4 obvisious reasons.

yo its sick yaar
i wudnt ever think for ne moment in time to marry ma cousin :shock:

pakistanmanz
April 16th, 2006, 05:08 PM
yo its sick yaar
i wudnt ever think for ne moment in time to marry ma cousin :shock:

Any1 who does seriously needs mental help.

WildWolfdog
April 16th, 2006, 05:46 PM
Any1 who does seriously needs mental help.

I've seen your posts, you seem like a nice guy so i won't say anything stupid. Basically it's a personal choice.

WildWolfdog
April 16th, 2006, 05:49 PM
Ima jus ignore that whole dicksucking thing u saddo..aint startin arguments about nex tings..yeh who sed i agree wid drinkin or smoking? smokingz fuckd up as well but the reason i feel so strongly about the marrying ur cuzinz thing is becuase in the case of smoking and drinkin (unless the woman is pregnant) your harming urself..however wid this issue, ur could potentially be harming your unborn child..yeah well NEway like u sed, u aint goona change ur mind, i aint changing mind, end of really aint it..

How is it only harmful to yourself? You smoke, drink, you screw up your life and other people's lives - 2nd hand smoke, drunk driving. You could "potentially" screw up your unborn child by drinking even before getting pregnant.

WildWolfdog
April 16th, 2006, 05:50 PM
he's a clown ive given him evidence but yet he has not provided nought to proove his point and the good thing is the majority of ppl agree with us who hav posted on the thread so there is some sanity in the world

right im off to have a relaxing spliff ! c u l8r m8 :wavey:

Maybe cuz majority of the people posting here are from Canada, UK and US, and are westernized.

WildWolfdog
April 16th, 2006, 05:51 PM
if ur gonna say shit to me i aint gonna stay quiet am i..all d shit ur sayin to me aint even gettin a reaction

I'm sure it isn't. You throw shit i throw it back at you. I hadn't use vulgar language or said anything offensive till you started using it.

WildWolfdog
April 16th, 2006, 05:53 PM
the teddy pic left me scared. A grown 20 year old with a teddy id say thats traumatic i think if you lived here in the UK you would defo be on the paedophile register you nonce :p

Says the 24 yr old WWE loving crackpot.

WildWolfdog
April 16th, 2006, 05:54 PM
where dus he liv? lol iz he in india or pakistan?? hehehe lol..freshpot

Canada. Even if i was a freshie, it doesn't make you any better just because your parents moved there and gave you the opportunity to grow up in the west. You think you performed something worth boasting about by being brought up in the UK?

pacora
April 16th, 2006, 05:56 PM
Alll those who are going ewwwwwwwww need to go back a few generations and see that its proabbly happend in thier family too. after all we are all desi.
my opinion though- no. my cousins are like my siblings.
like i said before....



and wolfdog, i i agree with ur stance but ppl here think saying ewwwwwww will make them goras...so give up and do as u please :)

pakistanmanz
April 16th, 2006, 05:59 PM
I've seen your posts, you seem like a nice guy so i won't say anything stupid. Basically it's a personal choice.

Ok, thanks. But its a personal decision as u said, so wotever ur view is, I respect it.

BoO bOo
April 16th, 2006, 06:02 PM
marrying ur cousins is not allowed in our culture.

but on other note...HELL NO..I WOULD NEVER WANNA MARRY MY COUSINS. btw they all younger than me :kekeke:

STUpendous
April 16th, 2006, 06:06 PM
even if they werent my cousins, none of them has a good personality

WildWolfdog
April 16th, 2006, 06:07 PM
like i said before....

and wolfdog, i i agree with ur stance but ppl here think saying ewwwwwww will make them goras...so give up and do as u please :)

lol thanks dude. I'm gonna ignore the topic in a few probably, have an essay to write up. I had a bit of free time earlier lol, and wanted to keep it going because most people follow the flock and go eww.

WildWolfdog
April 16th, 2006, 06:08 PM
Ok, thanks. But its a personal decision as u said, so wotever ur view is, I respect it.

lol exactly. and in the other thread, you gotta lighten up when it comes to posts from vets (people with a lot more posts).

pacora
April 16th, 2006, 06:09 PM
lol thanks dude. I'm gonna ignore the topic in a few probably, have an essay to write up. I had a bit of free time earlier lol, and wanted to keep it going because most people follow the flock and go eww.
yep...ignoring tis the way to go. and im not a dude lol...im a dudette :cool:

*N!K!TA*
April 16th, 2006, 06:09 PM
How is it only harmful to yourself? You smoke, drink, you screw up your life and other people's lives - 2nd hand smoke, drunk driving. You could "potentially" screw up your unborn child by drinking even before getting pregnant.

Errrm..I alredy sed if ur pregnant and obv passive smokin n stuff den ur affectin others and i also sed i dont agree wid smoking or drinking either..so y u lecturing me on dat?

WildWolfdog
April 16th, 2006, 06:10 PM
yep...ignoring tis the way to go. and im not a dude lol...im a dudette :cool:

so in essence you're a pacori :yum:

pakistanmanz
April 16th, 2006, 06:10 PM
marrying ur cousins is not allowed in our culture.

but on other note...HELL NO..I WOULD NEVER WANNA MARRY MY COUSINS. btw they all younger than me :kekeke:

What culture r u from then? I think its also wrong.

WildWolfdog
April 16th, 2006, 06:11 PM
Errrm..I alredy sed if ur pregnant and obv passive smokin n stuff den ur affectin others and i also sed i dont agree wid smoking or drinking either..so y u lecturing me on dat?

Read it again, i said drinking can screw up your kid even if it's BEFORE you get pregnant.

*N!K!TA*
April 16th, 2006, 06:13 PM
Canada. Even if i was a freshie, it doesn't make you any better just because your parents moved there and gave you the opportunity to grow up in the west. You think you performed something worth boasting about by being brought up in the UK?

Take it ezee..Stop gettin offended so ezily

WildWolfdog
April 16th, 2006, 06:14 PM
Take it ezee..Stop gettin offended so ezily

Why would i be offended? I've been in Canada for a long time now. I was speakin on behalf of others.

pacora
April 16th, 2006, 06:15 PM
so in essence you're a pacori :yum:
ur a smart man indeed :yes: u like aloo wali pacori?

WildWolfdog
April 16th, 2006, 06:17 PM
ur a smart man indeed :yes: u like aloo wali pacori?

I don't have just one taste when it comes to pacoris, i like to keep my options open :naughty:

WildWolfdog
April 16th, 2006, 06:18 PM
who would want their child to have a disformed faced?

superficiality :no:

pacora
April 16th, 2006, 06:19 PM
I don't have just one taste when it comes to pacoris, i like to keep my options open :naughty:
ahaaaa.... me too :naughty:. only i go for pacoras :p

BoO bOo
April 16th, 2006, 06:22 PM
What culture r u from then? I think its also wrong.
sikh. :D

BoO bOo
April 16th, 2006, 06:22 PM
who would want their child to have a disformed faced?
:lollol:

pakistanmanz
April 16th, 2006, 06:25 PM
sikh. :D
Oh. Yeh i think its so sick and wrong. U mite aswell marry ur parents. :dance3:

BoO bOo
April 16th, 2006, 06:29 PM
Oh. Yeh i think its so sick and wrong. U mite aswell marry ur parents. :dance3:
why would i wanna marry my parents? :think:

pakistanmanz
April 16th, 2006, 06:32 PM
why would i wanna marry my parents? :think:

No, u misunderstood me, i just meant that ur kids would have a higher chance of being disabled. Wasnt saying u would marry ur parents.

BoO bOo
April 16th, 2006, 06:34 PM
No, u misunderstood me, i just meant that ur kids would have a higher chance of being disabled. Wasnt saying u would marry ur parents.
oh haha silly me. :rofl:

pakistanmanz
April 16th, 2006, 06:37 PM
oh haha silly me. :rofl:
Dnt worry. How old r u? u look real young.

_NoMi_
April 16th, 2006, 06:37 PM
uhh...no

i'v already dealt with this issue and sorted it out. if ur parents r already considering it or have already made their decision...make sure u make ur stand or else its the end for u!!!

marrying withing the family DOES cause birth defects but very rarely....but it does cause hereditary diseases more often than never (eg. all varieties of heart defects, types of cancer, etc.)

GtQtKiSsEs
April 16th, 2006, 06:37 PM
this convo already happened. . .the whole "defromed children" thing. . .read back a few pages

pakistanmanz
April 16th, 2006, 06:39 PM
this convo already happened. . .the whole "defromed children" thing. . .read back a few pages

Yeh i thought i would point it out 4 da new comers.
Hows the decorating and singing going?

GtQtKiSsEs
April 16th, 2006, 06:42 PM
lol i wish it was only decorating. . .we're actually re-doing everything. we took off the floor, put in new sheet rock, and a whole bunch of other stuff. how's the healing going? :p

pakistanmanz
April 16th, 2006, 06:44 PM
lol i wish it was only decorating. . .we're actually re-doing everything. we took off the floor, put in new sheet rock, and a whole bunch of other stuff. how's the healing going? :p

Not so good. I cant stand up. :(
So badly want 2 run about.
Im bout 2 start watching Anchorman in a minute. Hope I heal up quick, i got this big cricket thing in 2 weeks. :wavey:

GtQtKiSsEs
April 16th, 2006, 06:45 PM
really? you play cricket?
fun fun what else do you play?

pakistanmanz
April 16th, 2006, 06:47 PM
really? you play cricket?
fun fun what else do you play?

Yeh I play, i also play football (soccer), hockey, anything really. Do u pplay anything?

GtQtKiSsEs
April 16th, 2006, 06:53 PM
Yeh I play, i also play football (soccer), hockey, anything really. Do u pplay anything?
i used to play field hockey, tennis, volleyball, and basketball and i used to do track and swimming. but i got really sick and had surgery and i stopped. . .i'm all better now so i play ultimate frisbee, badmitton and tennis with friends but i never got bacl into any of the sports i used to play.
btw
rugby = <3

pakistanmanz
April 16th, 2006, 06:55 PM
i used to play field hockey, tennis, volleyball, and basketball and i used to do track and swimming. but i got really sick and had surgery and i stopped. . .i'm all better now so i play ultimate frisbee, badmitton and tennis with friends but i never got bacl into any of the sports i used to play.
btw
rugby = <3

Awww... Hope u recovered quickly. I love track aswell. Ultimate frisbee wot dat? u love rugby, I try 2 play that but im rubbish, the only sport i really suck at.

GtQtKiSsEs
April 16th, 2006, 06:57 PM
Awww... Hope u recovered quickly. I love track aswell. Ultimate frisbee wot dat? u love rugby, I try 2 play that but im rubbish, the only sport i really suck at.
aaww. . .yea i'm better
ultimate frisbee is like american football but with a frisbee instead

pakistanmanz
April 16th, 2006, 07:01 PM
aaww. . .yea i'm better
ultimate frisbee is like american football but with a frisbee instead

Ohhh, seems intresting. What country r u originally from.

GtQtKiSsEs
April 16th, 2006, 07:09 PM
born n raised in the u.s. . . .you?

pakistanmanz
April 16th, 2006, 07:13 PM
Born n raised from England, parents from Pakistan.

GtQtKiSsEs
April 16th, 2006, 07:16 PM
nice. . .my parents are from guyana but my great grandparents are from india

pakistanmanz
April 16th, 2006, 07:19 PM
nice. . .my parents are from guyana but my great grandparents are from india

Oh, interesting. I'm so bored, i dnt know wot 2 do.

GtQtKiSsEs
April 16th, 2006, 07:21 PM
aawww. . .well i'm gonna go. try just relaxing or reading a book. a nice bath always helps! i'll ttyl :wavey: :grouphug:

pakistanmanz
April 16th, 2006, 07:22 PM
aawww. . .well i'm gonna go. try just relaxing or reading a book. a nice bath always helps! i'll ttyl :wavey: :grouphug:

Ok bye. :wavey: :dance3:

reaz
April 16th, 2006, 07:25 PM
why not? in my opinion it's not incest. everyone's definition depends on some external values such as culture, religion, etc. My background tells me it's ok. I wouldn't do it if I knew that I was increasing the likelihood of propagating a genetic disease. However, if the medical records are clean, why the hell not?

WildWolfdog
April 16th, 2006, 07:26 PM
why not? in my opinion it's not incest. everyone's definition depends on some external values such as culture, religion, etc. My background tells me it's ok. I wouldn't do it if I knew that I was increasing the likelihood of propagating a genetic disease. However, if the medical records are clean, why the hell not?

Thank you.

AFGHAN_ZMARAI
April 16th, 2006, 07:28 PM
http://www.washington.edu/newsroom/news/2002archive/04-02archive/k040302a.html


FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

FROM: Pam Sowers
(206) 543-3620
sowerspl@u.washington.edu
DATE: April 3, 2002

First cousins face lower risk of having children with genetic conditions than is widely perceived
Cousins contemplating marriage or concerned about a pregnancy arising from their union have often found it difficult to get accurate information about risks to their offspring.

In a paper published in the April issue of the Journal of Genetic Counseling, a task force made up of genetic counselors, physicians and epidemiologists, among others, has evaluated the evidence about risks for offspring for first cousins and provides guidelines for counseling and advising such couples.

The task force was brought together by the National Society of Genetic Counselors. It considered recommendations for various unions of consanguineous (literally, blood-sharing) couples related as second cousins or more closely.

The consensus of the task force and those who reviewed the recommendations "is that beyond a thorough medical family history with follow-up of significant findings, no additional preconception screening is recommended for consanguineous couples." They should, of course, be offered genetic screening tests that would routinely be offered to other couples of their ethnic group.

In part because of social stigma and because marriage between first cousins is prohibited in 30 states and laws on other consanguineous relationships vary, the authors note that many such unions are kept secret.

"Because of widespread misconceptions about the actual level of risk to offspring, some of these pregnancies are terminated and other couples suffer a lot of needless anxiety," said Robin Bennett, lead author of the paper and president-elect of the National Society of Genetic Counselors. Bennett is a certified genetic counselor at University of Washington Medical Center and manages the Genetic Medicine Clinic there.

The paper's senior author is Dr. Arno Motulsky, professor emeritus of medicine and genome sciences at the UW and a pioneer in medical genetics studies.

Relatively few studies have documented actual risks to the offspring of consanguineous unions, the authors note, and many of the studies that have been done are flawed in terms of their relevance for the general population. The task force reviewed all studies published in English in the medical literature, and some additional materials.

What the authors were looking for is the additional risk of significant birth defects (mental retardation or genetic disorders) -- or risk that is more than that faced by the general population of couples. For example, for couples, if the base (general population) risk of genetic conditions is 5 percent, it's the additional risk that is important for consanguineous couples to know.

Although they emphasize that it's not possible to come up with one number for all populations of consanguineous couples, the authors estimate the additional risk to range from 1.7 to 2.8 percent for first cousin unions. From her experience in counseling, Bennett believes these numbers are far lower than most people's perception of the risk.

One reason these issues and questions have come to the fore now is that health care practitioners are seeing more cousin unions in the immigrant population coming to North America from Africa and the Middle East. In some of these societies, the authors note, cousin marriages are actually traditionally preferred and quite common. Better information and appropriate guidelines are especially needed by physicians and genetic counselors who work with these groups so that more objective and culturally respectful services can be provided.

The paper also includes guidelines for screening for the recessive genes that can produce offspring with disorders of metabolism or hearing disorders, among others. In many cases, these disorders can be treated if found early in life. In the same vein, the importance of routine, regular early childhood pediatric care, as set out in American Academy of Pediatrics guidelines, is emphasized for children of cousin unions.

And what about the laws preventing cousins from marrying? The authors note such laws may eventually change as a result of evidence about actual risks.

WildWolfdog
April 16th, 2006, 10:39 PM
http://www.washington.edu/newsroom/news/2002archive/04-02archive/k040302a.html


FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

FROM: Pam Sowers
(206) 543-3620
sowerspl@u.washington.edu
DATE: April 3, 2002

First cousins face lower risk of having children with genetic conditions than is widely perceived
Cousins contemplating marriage or concerned about a pregnancy arising from their union have often found it difficult to get accurate information about risks to their offspring.

In a paper published in the April issue of the Journal of Genetic Counseling, a task force made up of genetic counselors, physicians and epidemiologists, among others, has evaluated the evidence about risks for offspring for first cousins and provides guidelines for counseling and advising such couples.

The task force was brought together by the National Society of Genetic Counselors. It considered recommendations for various unions of consanguineous (literally, blood-sharing) couples related as second cousins or more closely.

The consensus of the task force and those who reviewed the recommendations "is that beyond a thorough medical family history with follow-up of significant findings, no additional preconception screening is recommended for consanguineous couples." They should, of course, be offered genetic screening tests that would routinely be offered to other couples of their ethnic group.

In part because of social stigma and because marriage between first cousins is prohibited in 30 states and laws on other consanguineous relationships vary, the authors note that many such unions are kept secret.

"Because of widespread misconceptions about the actual level of risk to offspring, some of these pregnancies are terminated and other couples suffer a lot of needless anxiety," said Robin Bennett, lead author of the paper and president-elect of the National Society of Genetic Counselors. Bennett is a certified genetic counselor at University of Washington Medical Center and manages the Genetic Medicine Clinic there.

The paper's senior author is Dr. Arno Motulsky, professor emeritus of medicine and genome sciences at the UW and a pioneer in medical genetics studies.

Relatively few studies have documented actual risks to the offspring of consanguineous unions, the authors note, and many of the studies that have been done are flawed in terms of their relevance for the general population. The task force reviewed all studies published in English in the medical literature, and some additional materials.

What the authors were looking for is the additional risk of significant birth defects (mental retardation or genetic disorders) -- or risk that is more than that faced by the general population of couples. For example, for couples, if the base (general population) risk of genetic conditions is 5 percent, it's the additional risk that is important for consanguineous couples to know.

Although they emphasize that it's not possible to come up with one number for all populations of consanguineous couples, the authors estimate the additional risk to range from 1.7 to 2.8 percent for first cousin unions. From her experience in counseling, Bennett believes these numbers are far lower than most people's perception of the risk.

One reason these issues and questions have come to the fore now is that health care practitioners are seeing more cousin unions in the immigrant population coming to North America from Africa and the Middle East. In some of these societies, the authors note, cousin marriages are actually traditionally preferred and quite common. Better information and appropriate guidelines are especially needed by physicians and genetic counselors who work with these groups so that more objective and culturally respectful services can be provided.

The paper also includes guidelines for screening for the recessive genes that can produce offspring with disorders of metabolism or hearing disorders, among others. In many cases, these disorders can be treated if found early in life. In the same vein, the importance of routine, regular early childhood pediatric care, as set out in American Academy of Pediatrics guidelines, is emphasized for children of cousin unions.

And what about the laws preventing cousins from marrying? The authors note such laws may eventually change as a result of evidence about actual risks.

Thank you very much!

I'm going to quote this article just for future reference incase i need it later on to refute others (which i will).

paulie walnuts
April 16th, 2006, 11:53 PM
^haha oh shit....he isn't even talking about unknown distant cousins. he's talking about cousins he knows well.

that's no different from fucking your own sister.

simply wow.

HardBoiler
April 16th, 2006, 11:54 PM
thats just way too wrong.
i hear marrying someone with same blood-relation cause birth defects.


yepp it does

nrc0610
April 16th, 2006, 11:58 PM
so when is the next family picnic for you guys, so you can check out your cousins :neutral:

Bajrang Bali
April 16th, 2006, 11:59 PM
say ur parents said...'right puttar,the time has come...and i have found u a nice fresh mango straight off the bananananananana boat aka UR COUSIN'... would u do it????? :neutral:

eurgh personally...me...NO! hehe but das me. :D

to me if its 1st or 2nd cousin, hell no

nrc0610
April 17th, 2006, 12:01 AM
I always thought of my cousins as my own siblings. It would weird banging your cousin

reaz
April 17th, 2006, 12:07 AM
if you think of them as your own sibling then ofcourse this shit is wrong. that's what most ppl here fail to understand. those who are ok with it should realise that others might find it wrong because they view cousins as siblings etc. and those who find it wrong should realise that the others dont view them as siblings.

reaz
April 17th, 2006, 12:12 AM
btw, if you dont want to fuck your cousins send them over to me.. :lol:

WildWolfdog
April 17th, 2006, 12:16 AM
if you think of them as your own sibling then ofcourse this shit is wrong. that's what most ppl here fail to understand. those who are ok with it should realise that others might find it wrong because they view cousins as siblings etc. and those who find it wrong should realise that the others dont view them as siblings.

Exactly. Paulie Hold-my-nuts doesn't get it.

WildWolfdog
April 17th, 2006, 12:18 AM
^haha oh shit....he isn't even talking about unknown distant cousins. he's talking about cousins he knows well.

that's no different from fucking your own sister.

simply wow.

If you know a girl well before screwing her, what suddenly changes just as you're about to screw her, to keep her from being ur sister?

nrc0610
April 17th, 2006, 12:28 AM
Mamoona Tahir, a specialist registrar in public health for Birmingham health authority, revealed a few years ago that according to research, infant mortality rates in the Pakistani community were 2.5 to 3 times higher than for any other group in Birmingham.

Another alarming statistic is that Pakistani babies are 10 times more likely to suffer an inherited metabolic disorder than are other babies born in West Midlands.

http://www.asiansinmedia.org/news/article.php/television/850
http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/pressreleases/stories/2005/11_november/16/newsnight.shtml

pimpkidman828
April 17th, 2006, 12:36 AM
thats just way too wrong.
i hear marrying someone with same blood-relation cause birth defects.
btw that's false, cuz if u look at the percentage, more people who don't marry in the fam have birth defects and plus no scientific theory to prove it, I don't wanna marry a cuz but if my mom and dad choose and i can't find no 1 else, then i guess i dot no choice, but i am not against it.

pimpkidman828
April 17th, 2006, 12:37 AM
Mamoona Tahir, a specialist registrar in public health for Birmingham health authority, revealed a few years ago that according to research, infant mortality rates in the Pakistani community were 2.5 to 3 times higher than for any other group in Birmingham.

Another alarming statistic is that Pakistani babies are 10 times more likely to suffer an inherited metabolic disorder than are other babies born in West Midlands.

http://www.asiansinmedia.org/news/article.php/television/850
aight, but what about the other babies? what disorders r present in them? o yah they skipped that part,

paulie walnuts
April 17th, 2006, 12:38 AM
Exactly. Paulie Hold-my-nuts doesn't get it.exactly?

the post you quoted supported my point.

most defenders of first-cousin marriage on this forum are talking about unknown distant cousins (strangers), which prevents them from coming across as incestuous fucks. you, on the other hand, made it very clear that the cousins you would marry (and thus, fuck) are not strangers to you, but are regular old first cousins.

i originally thought you were just a braindead moron trying to challenge scientific reality because your parents are cousins and you are ashamed of it.

now it has become obvious that, in addition, you are indeed an incestuous fuck.

nrc0610
April 17th, 2006, 12:42 AM
aight, but what about the other babies? what disorders r present in them? o yah they skipped that part,

Did you even read the article, it never denied disorders of other childrens but childrens of cousin-marriage have a higher percentage of being a defect child

WildWolfdog
April 17th, 2006, 01:15 AM
exactly?

the post you quoted supported my point.

most defenders of first-cousin marriage on this forum are talking about unknown distant cousins (strangers), which prevents them from coming across as incestuous fucks. you, on the other hand, made it very clear that the cousins you would marry (and thus, fuck) are not strangers to you, but are regular old first cousins.

i originally thought you were just a braindead moron trying to challenge scientific reality because your parents are cousins and you are ashamed of it.

now it has become obvious that, in addition, you are indeed an incestuous fuck.

1) My parents are not cousins, neither first, nor distant, and were not related before marraige in any way what so ever.

2) I didn't say that i had my mind set on definitely marrying cousins, but i said i have nothing against it, and if everything was the way i would've wanted it to be, both sides agreed, plus it would be a marraige i know would bring about my own happiness and others i would definitely do it.

3) Again, yes, i would marry my first cousins if I wanted to and had those feelings about them. I have no problem with it. I don't see them as my sisters, i see them as cousins, and some of them as close friends.

4) You should clearly know by now that nothing you say affects me and i don't pay much attention to what you say. I'll reply and argue with you the odd times, but majority of the time, i don't care.

nrc0610
April 17th, 2006, 01:24 AM
Marrying someone that's not even related to you, you will already have a chance of your children being defected. Marrying your cousin has higher percentage of your children being defected. Don't you have love for your children or fucking your cousin is something you can't live without.

reaz
April 17th, 2006, 01:26 AM
Marrying someone that's not even related to you, you will already have a chance of your children being defected. Marrying your cousin has higher percentage of your children being defected. Don't you have love for your children or fucking your cousin is something you can't live without.

Dont you have a doctor? Usually, you can trace diseases in your past generations and figure out the probability of propagating genetic disorders. Yes, science has come quite a long way.

By the way, the probability of passing on a defect is doubled. However, in the big picture of things, it's only a 2% increase at most. Just because you wont fuck your cousin does not mean the world shouldnt fuck her.. err.. i mean their cousins..

reaz
April 17th, 2006, 01:27 AM
now quit arguing and tell me stories.. that's the juicy bit..

nrc0610
April 17th, 2006, 01:29 AM
Dont you have a doctor? Usually, you can trace diseases in your past generations and figure out the probability of propagating genetic disorders. Yes, science has come quite a long way.

By the way, the probability of passing on a defect is doubled. However, in the big picture of things, it's only a 2% increase at most. Just because you wont fuck your cousin does not mean the world shouldnt fuck her.. err.. i mean their cousins..

I guess your right, people should just marry who ever they want to. :grouphug:

reaz
April 17th, 2006, 01:35 AM
I guess your right, people should just marry who ever they want to. :grouphug:

As long as it's not affecting me I don't care who ppl fuck. Man, there are ppl fucking animals out there. Shit, do I care? no. Do I think it's gross? sure but that's just me.

nrc0610
April 17th, 2006, 01:44 AM
As long as it's not affecting me I don't care who ppl fuck. Man, there are ppl fucking animals out there. Shit, do I care? no. Do I think it's gross? sure but that's just me.

Fucking animals? I am so out of touch from society