New Abu Ghraib images broadcast

[Indian_Eyess]

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New Abu Ghraib images broadcast
Abuse footage
An Australian TV channel has broadcast previously unpublished images showing apparent US abuse of prisoners in Iraq's Abu Ghraib jail in 2003.
The images on SBS TV are thought to be from the same source as those that caused an outcry around the world and led to several US troops being jailed.

The new images show "homicide, torture and sexual humiliation", SBS said.

They are part of a court case in the US. A judge has ruled they can be published but the case is continuing.

The broadcast of the images comes at a time of increased tension between Muslim nations and the West over cartoons satirising the Prophet Muhammad.

'Live rounds'
One of the videos broadcast on the SBS programme Dateline on Wednesday appears to show prisoners being forced to masturbate to the camera.

Other video footage appears to show a prisoner hitting his head against a wall.

The channel said he was a mentally disturbed patient who became a plaything of guards who practised ways of restraining him.
Some photos are said to show corpses. There are also images of prisoners with body and head wounds.

Some of the pictures have now been re-broadcast on US networks and on Arab satellite channel al-Arabiya.

SBS journalist Olivia Rousset told the BBC one of them showed a senior Iraqi officer being treated for a throat wound received after he resisted being transferred within the camp.

Some of the new photos showed soldiers who have already been convicted for their part in the abuse, including Lynndie England and Charles Graner, the man prosecutors said was the ringleader in the scandal.

A number are versions of the photographs that caused outrage when they were initially leaked in April 2004, including the prisoner wearing a hood and hooked to wires.

SBS also said it had received reports that some prisoners were killed when US soldiers ran out of rubber bullets during a prison riot and started using live rounds instead.

Convicted

A spokesman for the US defence department told the BBC News website: "The abuses that occurred were tragic and damaged our country's image.

"However, the images portrayed were not part of a legal, authorised interrogation process, but were taken as part of isolated, unauthorised incidents."

He said none of the 12 major reviews since the Abu Ghraib scandal broke had shown the department had sanctioned or encouraged abuse.

Analysts say the reaction in the Muslim world may depend on how widely the images are shown. In Iraq, the emergence of the images come amid tension caused by the release of a video appearing to show UK troops beating Iraqi civilians.

The BBC's Jon Brain in Baghdad says al-Arabiya is broadcasting half a dozen of the new Abu Ghraib images, though it has refrained from showing the most shocking.

The images are part of a group of more than 100 photographs and four videos taken at Abu Ghraib and later handed to the US army's Criminal Investigations Division.

In September a New York judge ruled in favour of a request from the American Civil Liberties Union for the pictures to be released.

The judge rejected the government's arguments that publication could fuel anti-US feelings. The Dateline programme says the government is appealing against the decision.

US President George W Bush has said the Abu Ghraib abuse was a "disgrace".

Nine junior soldiers have been convicted - some are serving jail sentences. All senior US commanders were cleared except the commander in charge of Abu Ghraib at the time, Janis Karpinski, who was reduced in rank from general to colonel.

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Published: 2006/02/15 15:27:56 GMT
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[Space-Cowboy]

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New Abu Ghraib images broadcast
Abuse footage
An Australian TV channel has broadcast previously unpublished images showing apparent US abuse of prisoners in Iraq's Abu Ghraib jail in 2003.
The images on SBS TV are thought to be from the same source as those that caused an outcry around the world and led to several US troops being jailed.

The new images show "homicide, torture and sexual humiliation", SBS said.

They are part of a court case in the US. A judge has ruled they can be published but the case is continuing.

The broadcast of the images comes at a time of increased tension between Muslim nations and the West over cartoons satirising the Prophet Muhammad.

'Live rounds'
One of the videos broadcast on the SBS programme Dateline on Wednesday appears to show prisoners being forced to masturbate to the camera.

Other video footage appears to show a prisoner hitting his head against a wall.

The channel said he was a mentally disturbed patient who became a plaything of guards who practised ways of restraining him.
Some photos are said to show corpses. There are also images of prisoners with body and head wounds.

Some of the pictures have now been re-broadcast on US networks and on Arab satellite channel al-Arabiya.

SBS journalist Olivia Rousset told the BBC one of them showed a senior Iraqi officer being treated for a throat wound received after he resisted being transferred within the camp.

Some of the new photos showed soldiers who have already been convicted for their part in the abuse, including Lynndie England and Charles Graner, the man prosecutors said was the ringleader in the scandal.

A number are versions of the photographs that caused outrage when they were initially leaked in April 2004, including the prisoner wearing a hood and hooked to wires.

SBS also said it had received reports that some prisoners were killed when US soldiers ran out of rubber bullets during a prison riot and started using live rounds instead.

Convicted

A spokesman for the US defence department told the BBC News website: "The abuses that occurred were tragic and damaged our country's image.

"However, the images portrayed were not part of a legal, authorised interrogation process, but were taken as part of isolated, unauthorised incidents."

He said none of the 12 major reviews since the Abu Ghraib scandal broke had shown the department had sanctioned or encouraged abuse.

Analysts say the reaction in the Muslim world may depend on how widely the images are shown. In Iraq, the emergence of the images come amid tension caused by the release of a video appearing to show UK troops beating Iraqi civilians.

The BBC's Jon Brain in Baghdad says al-Arabiya is broadcasting half a dozen of the new Abu Ghraib images, though it has refrained from showing the most shocking.

The images are part of a group of more than 100 photographs and four videos taken at Abu Ghraib and later handed to the US army's Criminal Investigations Division.

In September a New York judge ruled in favour of a request from the American Civil Liberties Union for the pictures to be released.

The judge rejected the government's arguments that publication could fuel anti-US feelings. The Dateline programme says the government is appealing against the decision.

US President George W Bush has said the Abu Ghraib abuse was a "disgrace".

Nine junior soldiers have been convicted - some are serving jail sentences. All senior US commanders were cleared except the commander in charge of Abu Ghraib at the time, Janis Karpinski, who was reduced in rank from general to colonel.

Story from BBC NEWS:
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Published: 2006/02/15 15:27:56 GMT
© BBC MMVI
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....... gah! How is this not the biggest scandal in American history next to Nixon??

[beram_khan]

A newspaper in Sydney published some photos...some are really graphic...

http://www.smh.com.au/ftimages/2006/02/15/1139890768716.html

[xsilent_watersx]

disgusting!

[Indian_Eyess]

....... gah! How is this not the biggest scandal in American history next to Nixon??
some Americans think that since terrorists stoop to low levels, so do we.

[chakdephute]

some Americans think that since terrorists stoop to low levels, so do we.

Are these the same Americans who voted for Bush...TWICE??

Good God, this is exactly what the damn terrorists want. It gives them more of an excuse to try to nuke our big cities.

[paulie walnuts]

....... gah! How is this not the biggest scandal in American history next to Nixon??please tell me how US soldiers putting enemy soldiers through fraternity style hazing is "the second biggest scandal in american history"

i can't even believe it is considered a huge deal. never in a million years would i have thought this, or british soldiers handing out beatdowns to guys hurling stones at them, would be all goo goo ga ga'd over like they have been so far.

too many people have no idea what torture and abuse really is.

[lovestick]

please tell me how US soldiers putting enemy soldiers through fraternity style hazing is "the second biggest scandal in american history"

i can't even believe it is considered a huge deal. never in a million years would i have thought this, or british soldiers handing out beatdowns to guys hurling stones at them, would be all goo goo ga ga'd over like they have been so far.

too many people have no idea what torture and abuse really is.

yeah. but when the most influential nation on earth violates international law, it's bound to hear shit for it.

[nikefc7]

:mad: :mad: :mad:

[Desi MC]

bastards....

[Space-Cowboy]

please tell me how US soldiers putting enemy soldiers through fraternity style hazing is "the second biggest scandal in american history"

i can't even believe it is considered a huge deal. never in a million years would i have thought this, or british soldiers handing out beatdowns to guys hurling stones at them, would be all goo goo ga ga'd over like they have been so far.

too many people have no idea what torture and abuse really is.


I'll agree with some of what you said, but it's just personal opinion... torture is one thing, but to sexually abuse someone is to completely strip them of their dignity, and that's a grave dishonour and disrespect. I don't care how much of a tyrant you are or which POW camp you're in, that's stooping too low.

I'd personally rather take shear unbearable pain than humiliation.

[paulie walnuts]

yeah. but when the most influential nation on earth violates international law, it's bound to hear shit for it.yeah, that's definitely true....but the disingenuity rife within the condemnation is painfully visible.

and to be honest, i think domestic partisanship and [expected] exploitation by the american left is more responsible for its magnitude than arab or muslim anger. if anything, i think the media actually convinced muslims to be offended (at least far more than they naturally would have been) with the language and "shock" attitude they applied to this "scandal".

objectively speaking, abu ghraib is a joke of a scandal and i wasn't exaggerating in the least when i paralleled it to fraternity hazing. but i really don't care since it only serves to embarrass the bush administration further, which is fine by me.

[The Anti Desi]

There is no level of abomination to compare to. Its an abomination of the lowest of the low...period.

[paulie walnuts]

There is no level of abomination to compare to. Its an abomination of the lowest of the low...period.do you use your brain when making comments like this?

off the top of my head, i can think of or imagine 1,000,000,000,000 more abonimable offenses than abu ghraib "torture".

[jihadthisfilth]

War brings out the worst in men.
Reminds me of Appocalypse now.

[methodman535]

please tell me how US soldiers putting enemy soldiers through fraternity style hazing is "the second biggest scandal in american history"

i can't even believe it is considered a huge deal. never in a million years would i have thought this, or british soldiers handing out beatdowns to guys hurling stones at them, would be all goo goo ga ga'd over like they have been so far.

too many people have no idea what torture and abuse really is.

What about the deaths in abu ghraib directly linked to torture and physical abuse. And the links between that and high level defence personel?

[kawiboy]

Abu Ghraib is weaksauce. I come from a country where it's considered "normal" for a person to spend their entire life in jail awaiting trial, where cops can dismember you and/or beat you senseless to extract confessions, for extortions or just to settle personal disputes. And the last thing you want is to be involved in an "encounter" ... :mad:

[Indian_Eyess]

Abu Ghraib is weaksauce. I come from a country where it's considered "normal" for a person to spend their entire life in jail awaiting trial, where cops can dismember you and/or beat you senseless to extract confessions, for extortions or just to settle personal disputes. And the last thing you want is to be involved in an "encounter" ... :mad:
The United States of America was meant to be a nation that is the beacon of freedom, where people come to work and achieve success, or to escape torture or even death from other countries, this is not what we were founded on, to torture people and to have a laugh about it, or using mentally challenged people as play things. It's disgusting and those who commited these crimes, should be punished. We dont live according to the laws of other countries, we live according to the laws of the US, and according to our laws, it is a disgusting crime.

[lovestick]

yeah, that's definitely true....but the disingenuity rife within the condemnation is painfully visible.

and to be honest, i think domestic partisanship and [expected] exploitation by the american left is more responsible for its magnitude than arab or muslim anger. if anything, i think the media actually convinced muslims to be offended (at least far more than they naturally would have been) with the language and "shock" attitude they applied to this "scandal".

objectively speaking, abu ghraib is a joke of a scandal and i wasn't exaggerating in the least when i paralleled it to fraternity hazing. but i really don't care since it only serves to embarrass the bush administration further, which is fine by me.

yeah, i agree with the gist of this. also, i think the abu ghraib scandal blew out of proportion because it affirmed what we all suspected but didn't know: namely that the bush administration was taking a lenient approach to torture, to the extent of violating geneva. on its face the scandal wasn't really a big deal; like you said, it's little more than fraternity hazing. but taken into consideration with guantanamo and the alleged torture authorized by the state dept on foreign lands like germany, it's no surprise it became a scandal of its stature.

i don't think the media was responsible for convincing the muslims that abu ghraib should be offensive to them. muslims as a group are against this war; the pictures just cemented the anger.

[kawiboy]

The United States of America was meant to be a nation that is the beacon of freedom, where people come to work and achieve success...


If you haven't realized by now, it's all about power, money and oil. unless we have the democrats running the government, in which case it's all about power, money and secks... :D

[Indian_Eyess]

If you haven't realized by now, it's all about power, money and oil. unless we have the democrats running the government, in which case it's all about power, money and secks... :D
Which is why I said it is a nation meant to be a freedom.
The US still has a better track record than 90% of the countries in this world.

[Indian_Eyess]

yeah, i agree with the gist of this. also, i think the abu ghraib scandal blew out of proportion because it affirmed what we all suspected but didn't know: namely that the bush administration was taking a lenient approach to torture, to the extent of violating geneva. on its face the scandal wasn't really a big deal; like you said, it's little more than fraternity hazing. but taken into consideration with guantanamo and the alleged torture authorized by the state dept on foreign lands like germany, it's no surprise it became a scandal of its stature.

i don't think the media was responsible for convincing the muslims that abu ghraib should be offensive to them. muslims as a group are against this war; the pictures just cemented the anger.
True, but it bought into light something that people had already suspected but had no proof to legitimize their beliefs.

[kaisar2]

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New Abu Ghraib images broadcast
Abuse footage
An Australian TV channel has broadcast previously unpublished images showing apparent US abuse of prisoners in Iraq's Abu Ghraib jail in 2003.
The images on SBS TV are thought to be from the same source as those that caused an outcry around the world and led to several US troops being jailed.

The new images show "homicide, torture and sexual humiliation", SBS said.

They are part of a court case in the US. A judge has ruled they can be published but the case is continuing.

The broadcast of the images comes at a time of increased tension between Muslim nations and the West over cartoons satirising the Prophet Muhammad.

'Live rounds'
One of the videos broadcast on the SBS programme Dateline on Wednesday appears to show prisoners being forced to masturbate to the camera.

Other video footage appears to show a prisoner hitting his head against a wall.

The channel said he was a mentally disturbed patient who became a plaything of guards who practised ways of restraining him.
Some photos are said to show corpses. There are also images of prisoners with body and head wounds.

Some of the pictures have now been re-broadcast on US networks and on Arab satellite channel al-Arabiya.

SBS journalist Olivia Rousset told the BBC one of them showed a senior Iraqi officer being treated for a throat wound received after he resisted being transferred within the camp.

Some of the new photos showed soldiers who have already been convicted for their part in the abuse, including Lynndie England and Charles Graner, the man prosecutors said was the ringleader in the scandal.

A number are versions of the photographs that caused outrage when they were initially leaked in April 2004, including the prisoner wearing a hood and hooked to wires.

SBS also said it had received reports that some prisoners were killed when US soldiers ran out of rubber bullets during a prison riot and started using live rounds instead.

Convicted

A spokesman for the US defence department told the BBC News website: "The abuses that occurred were tragic and damaged our country's image.

"However, the images portrayed were not part of a legal, authorised interrogation process, but were taken as part of isolated, unauthorised incidents."

He said none of the 12 major reviews since the Abu Ghraib scandal broke had shown the department had sanctioned or encouraged abuse.

Analysts say the reaction in the Muslim world may depend on how widely the images are shown. In Iraq, the emergence of the images come amid tension caused by the release of a video appearing to show UK troops beating Iraqi civilians.

The BBC's Jon Brain in Baghdad says al-Arabiya is broadcasting half a dozen of the new Abu Ghraib images, though it has refrained from showing the most shocking.

The images are part of a group of more than 100 photographs and four videos taken at Abu Ghraib and later handed to the US army's Criminal Investigations Division.

In September a New York judge ruled in favour of a request from the American Civil Liberties Union for the pictures to be released.

The judge rejected the government's arguments that publication could fuel anti-US feelings. The Dateline programme says the government is appealing against the decision.

US President George W Bush has said the Abu Ghraib abuse was a "disgrace".

Nine junior soldiers have been convicted - some are serving jail sentences. All senior US commanders were cleared except the commander in charge of Abu Ghraib at the time, Janis Karpinski, who was reduced in rank from general to colonel.

Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/middle_east/4715540.stm

Published: 2006/02/15 15:27:56 GMT
© BBC MMVI
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america The most so called civilised country in the world, so r Danish, now they r vadalizing the muslim graveyard......

[Geezer]

america The most so called civilised country in the world, so r Danish, now they r vadalizing the muslim graveyard......

As opposed to Pakistani rioters demolishing all american commerce oriented shops and outlets. Everything that's going on is a double-sided sword of hipocrisy and chaos and I mean everything, not just one side.

[Indian_Eyess]

As opposed to Pakistani rioters demolishing all american commerce oriented shops and outlets. Everything that's going on is a double-sided sword of hipocrisy and chaos and I mean everything, not just one side.
I agree

[lovestick]

True, but it bought into light something that people had already suspected but had no proof to legitimize their beliefs.

umm...you repeated what i said. (first paragraph)

[M*A*M*A]

please tell me how US soldiers putting enemy soldiers through fraternity style hazing is "the second biggest scandal in american history"

i can't even believe it is considered a huge deal. never in a million years would i have thought this, or british soldiers handing out beatdowns to guys hurling stones at them, would be all goo goo ga ga'd over like they have been so far.

too many people have no idea what torture and abuse really is.



u know something ur a real MORON!

[chakdephute]

OK, I'm not trying to offend anyone or any people but...

How many of us desis will actually cry out against prisoner abuse and torture had it been some other people being abused, say Japanese or Africans or South Americans?

[Space-Cowboy]

u know something ur a real MORON!


You're gonna have to contribute a little more than that to this discussion... as it stands you're the one that just made an idiotic comment.

If you have input, share it without putting him down, at least he explained himself, even tho I don't agree with him.

[Indian_Eyess]

umm...you repeated what i said. (first paragraph)
soo?

[lovestick]

soo?

True would have sufficed. The rest of the sentence was completely unnecessary and superfluous.

[paulie walnuts]

u know something ur a real MORON!my penis...your anus

let's make it happen

[Space-Cowboy]

my penis...your anus

let's make it happen


You'll respond to THIS but won't even bother to respond to what I wrote............ :neutral:

[Indian_Eyess]

True would have sufficed. The rest of the sentence was completely unnecessary and superfluous.
ahhh, I guess you're right. I wasted 30 seconds of my life

[Indian_Eyess]

my penis...your anus

let's make it happen
you're an even bigger idiot than i thought

[Space-Cowboy]

Junked already :no:

[paulie walnuts]

you're an even bigger idiot than i thought
why? :neutral:

[Indian_Eyess]

why? :neutral:
I was just messin around

[paulie walnuts]

I was just messin aroundyou are a nice guy, but i think you're too nice.

you seem like the guy who loans out his only pencil because he feels too bad to say no to the request...and then doesn't even ask for it back when it isn't returned.

all you had to say was "because you're a fucking prick" :p

[Indian_Eyess]

you are a nice guy, but i think you're too nice.

you seem like the guy who loans out his only pencil because he feels too bad to say no to the request...and then doesn't even ask for it back when it isn't returned.

all you had to say was "because you're a fucking prick" :p
haha, screw you bitch! I have to agree you with you on that one though, it's a weakness on my part.

[Space-Cowboy]

Once you two are done honey-mooning can we get back to agreeing that this is infact one of the major scandals of American History?


:p

[paulie walnuts]

Once you two are done honey-mooning can we get back to agreeing that this is infact one of the major scandals of American History?


:plol, what i think we can agree on is that your conclusion is a canadian wet dream.

to be honest, without the american left...the magnitude of this scandal would be about 1/10th of what it became....meaning, it exploded not because of merit, but partisan exploitation.

[Space-Cowboy]

Plz bro, I haven't had a wet dream in ages. And I can safely say, Canada doesn't give two shits about American scandals unless they directly/indirectly affect us Canadians.



Infact, just to self-indulge......
I've said it before and I"ll say it again:


CANADA IS THE LAST REMAINING PARADISE ON EARTH!!

[paulie walnuts]

Plz bro, I haven't had a wet dream in ages. And I can safely say, Canada doesn't give two shits about American scandals unless they directly/indirectly affect us Canadians.let's be honest...scandals like this help you guys to reconcile the raging inferiority complex canadians hold towards america.

Infact, just to self-indulge......
I've said it before and I"ll say it again:


CANADA IS THE LAST REMAINING PARADISE ON EARTH!!i guess we're getting off topic here....but what percentage of immigrants moving to the west prefer a US visa to a Canadian visa? in 2005, how many canadians applied for US visas, and how many americans applied for canadian visas?

bhai, i'm sure you know tha answer to both questions. ;)

[Space-Cowboy]

let's be honest...scandals like this help you guys to reconcile the raging inferiority complex canadians hold towards america.


Keep dreaming?
:sarb:


i guess we're getting off topic here....but what percentage of immigrants moving to the west prefer a US visa to a Canadian visa?


There are those that don't know better, and those that do, prefer Canada. And btw, the stats are pretty much even for both Visas.



in 2005, how many canadians applied for US visas, and how many americans applied for canadian visas?



That doesn't mean shit. Yea they go where the money is at. But then they realize the benefits [like free healthcare] that they're missing out on, and they move back

I'll concede that the salaries are higher in U.S. than Canada, but that's not the end all be all of happiness. Face, Canadians in general live a much happier life than Canadians.




I hope that answers your questions ;)

[Indian_Eyess]

Keep dreaming?
:sarb:



There are those that don't know better, and those that do, prefer Canada. And btw, the stats are pretty much even for both Visas.



That doesn't mean shit. Yea they go where the money is at. But then they realize the benefits [like free healthcare] that they're missing out on, and they move back

I'll concede that the salaries are higher in U.S. than Canada, but that's not the end all be all of happiness. Face, Canadians in general live a much happier life than Canadians.



I hope that answers your questions ;)
I think you meant 'happier life than Americans'

America is warmer in than Canada :dance3:

[Space-Cowboy]

I think you meant 'happier life than Americans'

America is warmer in than Canada :dance3:

ah, yes, my bad.... And believe it or not, some parts of Canada get much warmer in the summer :p

[Indian_Eyess]

ah, yes, my bad.... And believe it or not, some parts of Canada get much warmer in the summer :p
lol, true, but I prefer the relative warmth of the South during the winter. Well, its not too warm right now, its 10 degrres Farenheit right now

[Space-Cowboy]

lol, true, but I prefer the relative warmth of the South during the winter. Well, its not too warm right now, its 10 degrres Farenheit right now


ugh, don't use Farenheit, tell me in CELSIUS!!! :rolleyes:


















:p

[Indian_Eyess]

ugh, don't use Farenheit, tell me in CELSIUS!!! :rolleyes:




:p
-12.2 Celsius
Damn you Canadians need to adopt the American way! :eek:

[Space-Cowboy]

-12.2 Celsius
Damn you Canadians need to adopt the American way! :eek:


You mean the imperial system.... and America being the last remaining country on the planet to use said system?