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dj XeNo
July 9th, 2004, 02:38 PM
John Kerry and Israel -- The Record

Leadership in the Senate:

** Fact: The American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) has
made note of "Kerry's 100 percent pro-Israel voting record in the
Senate" (Jewish Telegraphic Agency, May 18, 2004). John Kerry has
a perfect, unblemished 20-year voting record on Israel in the
United States Senate -- including some 60 pro-Israel votes and
signatures on key congressional letters. He took a leadership
role in cosponsoring many of these efforts, dating back to his
co-sponsorship of a 1987 resolution disapproving missile sales to
Saudi Arabia.

Israel's Security Fence:

** Fact: John Kerry has strongly supported Israel's right to
build a security fence. During a debate in February, he described
the fence as "a fence necessary to the security of Israel until
they have a partner to be able to negotiate" (New York Times
transcript, February 29, 2004). He has stated his support for the
security fence repeatedly in public forums, including during an
April speech before newspaper editors when he again said, "I
support the building of the security fence" (Speech before the
American Society of Newspaper Editors, April 23, 2004).

"We Should Never Pressure Israel:"

** Fact: John Kerry has repeatedly and clearly stated that a
Kerry Administration will never force Israel to take steps that
compromise her security: "And I want you to know that, as
president, my promise to the people of Israel is this: I will
never force Israel to make concessions that cost or compromise
any of Israel's security. The security of Israel is paramount.
And we [are] an ally and we are a friend and we have a special
relationship, and we must remember that. We will also never
expect Israel to negotiate peace without a credible partner"
(Speech before the Anti-Defamation League, adl.org, May 3, 2004).
He had previously noted in a statement, "Our commitment must be
clear: We should never pressure Israel to compromise its
security; never coerce it to negotiate for peace without a
credible partner; and always work to provide the political and
military support for Israel's fight against terror" (Statement by
John Kerry, April 27, 2004).

No Palestinian Right of Return:

** Fact: John Kerry has clearly noted his opposition to any
Palestinian "right of return" to Israel: "Now I think what the
President did in the last few days is to recognize a reality that
even President Clinton came to: if you're going to have a Jewish
state, and that is what we are committed to do and that is what
Israel is, you cannot have a right of return that's open ended --
you just can't do it. It's always been a non-starter. I
personally said that at a speech I gave to the Arab community in
New York at the World Economic Forum. I've said that. I've also
said that it is realistic because we know that at Taba they
negotiated the annexation of certain territory. So it's really
stating a reality" (NBC's "Meet the Press," April 18, 2004).

Taking On Saudi Leaders:

** Fact: John Kerry has strongly criticized our unwillingness to
condemn the Saudis for their failure to fight terrorism.
According to CBS News, he has vowed to "end a 'sweetheart
relationship' that allows money to flow through Arab countries to
terrorist groups and criticized President Bush over a report that
he had struck a deal with Saudi officials to lower gasoline
prices before the election. ...'I have a 100 percent record ...
of supporting the special relationship and friendship that we
have with Israel,' Kerry said. 'I can guarantee you that as
president, I understand not just how we do that but also how we
end this sweetheart relationship with a bunch of Arab countries
that still allows money to move to Hamas, Hezballah and the Al
Aqsa Brigade'" (CBSNews.com, April 18, 2004).

Targeting Hamas Leadership:

** Fact: John Kerry has clearly supported Israel's right to
target Hamas leadership for assassination. When asked whether he
supported Israel's assassination of Hamas leader Rantisi on NBC's
"Meet the Press," he replied: "I believe Israel has every right
in the world to respond to any act of terror against it. Hamas is
a terrorist, brutal organization. It has had years to make up its
mind to take part in a peaceful process; and they refuse to,
Arafat refuses to" (NBC's "Meet the Press," April 18, 2004).

Ruling Out Arafat:

** Fact: John Kerry has ruled out Arafat as a legitimate
negotiating partner for Israel. As he said in March, 2004, "As
far as I'm concerned he's an outlaw to the peace process. ...and
he's proved himself to be irrelevant" (Associated Press, March
10, 2004).

Condemning Saudi Anti-Semitism:

** Fact: John Kerry has blasted anti-Semitic comments emanating
from the leaders of Saudi Arabia, saying: "Saudi Arabian Crown
Prince Abdullah's outrageous anti-Semitic comments this week
blaming 'Zionists' for the terrorist attacks in Saudi Arabia
raises serious questions about the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia's
commitment to combating terrorism. President Bush has said
nothing. As President, I will never permit this kind of attack to
go unanswered" (Statement by John Kerry, May 5, 2004).


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CorpX
July 9th, 2004, 02:40 PM
good...even more reason to support thim.

i prefer politicians who support democracy over dictatorships. :roll:

DesiStud1022
July 9th, 2004, 02:42 PM
Vote Republican.

I do.

DesiStud1022.

dj XeNo
July 9th, 2004, 02:44 PM
good...even more reason to support thim.

i prefer politicians who support democracy over dictatorships. :roll:

that's all well and dandy but does nothing for u.s. foreign policy.

reaz
July 9th, 2004, 02:49 PM
good...even more reason to support thim.

i prefer politicians who support democracy over dictatorships. :roll:

yea.. you are right.. i'd rather vote for injustice..

reaz
July 9th, 2004, 02:50 PM
i doubt this thread is useless or junk.. it should have been moved to the serious discussions

dj XeNo
July 9th, 2004, 02:50 PM
what you nimrods don't understand is that the U.S. is far from a democracy, it is a theocracy.

wouldn't it make sense if the U.S was a true democracy the guy who gets the popular vote would win?

but no, we have the electoral college bullshit.... :roll:

CorpX
July 9th, 2004, 02:51 PM
ok.. if you dont believe in the laws of a country just live with it or leave it..

sameer
July 9th, 2004, 02:53 PM
ok.. if you dont believe in the laws of a country just live with it or leave it..

CorpX
July 9th, 2004, 02:53 PM
what you nimrods don't understand is that the U.S. is far from a democracy, it is a theocracy.

wouldn't it make sense if the U.S was a true democracy the guy who gets the popular vote would win?

but no, we have the electoral college bullshit.... :roll:

what the FUCK?


Theocracy : A government ruled by or subject to religious authority

obviousy, u are confusing US with all the muslim countries on earth. wow....i'm amazed somebody could say that.

electoral college was put in place for a reason..i suggest you study your history books for that reason.

reaz
July 9th, 2004, 02:54 PM
ok.. if you dont believe in the laws of a country just live with it or leave it..

sure.. i am not living in that country.. but i dont like it when ppl will vote against terrorism blindly when it's clear there is an equal form of terrorism from the other side..

in other words my problem is not with israel.. it's you with ppl like you!

also when i mean leave the country it was in the context of the poor people who were getting mistreated in saudi.. since i am not in israel it does not apply to me..

CorpX
July 9th, 2004, 03:13 PM
ok.. if you dont believe in the laws of a country just live with it or leave it..

sure.. i am not living in that country.. but i dont like it when ppl will vote against terrorism blindly when it's clear there is an equal form of terrorism from the other side..

in other words my problem is not with israel.. it's you with ppl like you!

talking about terrorism, do u not consider suicide bombers terrorists?

i dont have hardcore love for isreal like some of you have for palestine, but these suicide bombers target civilians 90% of the time. on the other hand, isreali strikes are aimed at militants....obviously, they're not perfect and there is collateral damage, but they're not straight up going up and blowing up civilians.

sameer
July 9th, 2004, 03:13 PM
what you nimrods don't understand is that the U.S. is far from a democracy, it is a theocracy.

wouldn't it make sense if the U.S was a true democracy the guy who gets the popular vote would win?

but no, we have the electoral college bullshit.... :roll:

what the FUCK?


Theocracy : A government ruled by or subject to religious authority

obviousy, u are confusing US with all the muslim countries on earth. wow....i'm amazed somebody could say that.

electoral college was put in place for a reason..i suggest you study your history books for that reason.

lol u owned him

dj XeNo
July 9th, 2004, 03:13 PM
what you nimrods don't understand is that the U.S. is far from a democracy, it is a theocracy.

wouldn't it make sense if the U.S was a true democracy the guy who gets the popular vote would win?

but no, we have the electoral college bullshit.... :roll:

what the FUCK?


Theocracy : A government ruled by or subject to religious authority

obviousy, u are confusing US with all the muslim countries on earth. wow....i'm amazed somebody could say that.

electoral college was put in place for a reason..i suggest you study your history books for that reason.

since I don't have my history books with me, please enlighten me as to why the e.c. was put into place.

and oh yeah, once again.......if the u.s. was a democracy wouldn't the guy who got the most votes be president right now? answer that one.

as far as theocracy is concerned....the government is bascially controlled by Jews and I think i proved that with my initial post in this thread, in which you agreed was a good reason to vote for Kerry.

CorpX
July 9th, 2004, 03:14 PM
also when i mean leave the country it was in the context of the poor people who were getting mistreated in saudi.. since i am not in israel it does not apply to me..

yes, the palestinians are getting mistreated here.

sameer
July 9th, 2004, 03:15 PM
as far as theocracy is concerned....the government is bascially controlled by Jews

even if this (mindnumbingly stupid) claim was true, it would not in itself make it a theocracy.

dj XeNo
July 9th, 2004, 03:17 PM
as far as theocracy is concerned....the government is bascially controlled by Jews

even if this (mindnumbingly stupid) claim was true, it would not in itself make it a theocracy.

son, if your gonna open your mouth please back up your garbage with facts.

try focusing on the point rather than making assinine comments.

CorpX
July 9th, 2004, 03:23 PM

CorpX
July 9th, 2004, 03:43 PM
since I don't have my history books with me, please enlighten me as to why the e.c. was put into place.

ok, the main reason it was put in place was to protect the minority from an overwheliming majority. majority can get carried away really fast and let's say they voted for an extremist president. the electors were supposed to vote against this president and vote for a favorable candidate. it's not practiced anymore, but they DO have that right (say the country elected somebody like pat robertson :o).

also, it is supposed to even the balance between big states and small states. without electoral college, candidates would spend almost all of their time campaigning in the bigger states. this gives the people of the small states a voice. electoral college representation is based on population of the state though, but it cant be split up perfectly.

and oh yeah, once again.......if the u.s. was a democracy wouldn't the guy who got the most votes be president right now? answer that one.

no. look at other kinds of democracies on earth. in england, india etc... you dont vote directly for the chief executive. they are chosen by the candidates you voted for. these rules were laid down 200 years ago and all the candidates have played under these rules.

as far as theocracy is concerned....the government is bascially controlled by Jews and I think i proved that with my initial post in this thread, in which you agreed was a good reason to vote for Kerry.


no, i think u're wrong there.. i think the government is controlled by aliens.

sameer
July 9th, 2004, 03:54 PM
as far as theocracy is concerned....the government is bascially controlled by Jews

even if this (mindnumbingly stupid) claim was true, it would not in itself make it a theocracy.

son, if your gonna open your mouth please back up your garbage with facts.

try focusing on the point rather than making assinine comments.

dumbass, why do i always have to spell out things for you. ok in baby words: just because a government is controlled by people of the same religion, does not necessarily make it a theocracy.

this is pathetic, he got out the dictionary definition of a theocracy and u still dont understand it.

ok i probably have to simplify even further for you: lets make your incorrect assumption that the usa is controlled by jews. now what im saying is that it still would not be a theocracy unless the jews forced their religious laws on the country. :roll:

CorpX
July 9th, 2004, 03:56 PM
son, if your gonna open your mouth please back up your garbage with facts.

try focusing on the point rather than making assinine comments.

talking about facts, prove that the US government is controlled by aliens....i mean jews.

sameer
July 9th, 2004, 04:39 PM
son, if your gonna open your mouth please back up your garbage with facts.

try focusing on the point rather than making assinine comments.

talking about facts, prove that the US government is controlled by aliens....i mean jews.

reaz
July 9th, 2004, 04:52 PM
ok.. if you dont believe in the laws of a country just live with it or leave it..

sure.. i am not living in that country.. but i dont like it when ppl will vote against terrorism blindly when it's clear there is an equal form of terrorism from the other side..

in other words my problem is not with israel.. it's you with ppl like you!

talking about terrorism, do u not consider suicide bombers terrorists?

i dont have hardcore love for isreal like some of you have for palestine, but these suicide bombers target civilians 90% of the time. on the other hand, isreali strikes are aimed at militants....obviously, they're not perfect and there is collateral damage, but they're not straight up going up and blowing up civilians.

hash173
July 9th, 2004, 06:18 PM
electoral college must be done away with if u.s. elections are to be truly democratic. why should a vote in california be worth more than a vote in indiana? one voice, one vote.

as for israel, they are the biggest religious fundamentalists in the world. what makes a suicide bomber a terrorist and an israeli soldier firing missiles from his helicopter into marketplaces not?

CorpX
July 9th, 2004, 06:54 PM
electoral college must be done away with if u.s. elections are to be truly democratic. why should a vote in california be worth more than a vote in indiana? one voice, one vote.

as for israel, they are the biggest religious fundamentalists in the world. what makes a suicide bomber a terrorist and an israeli soldier firing missiles from his helicopter into marketplaces not?

what is the main target of those missles? what is the main target of the suicide bomber?

and reaz, i know what i wrote.

tom dick harry
July 9th, 2004, 07:08 PM
corpX... u mention the word democracy an awful lot, both as a political stance and in relation to america.

do u even know what the political ideal democracy is theoretically?

should the democratic stance of a government go out of the window once said government enters the international political stage?

if a country doesn't adhere to its democratic principles once it enters the world stage, does this give that government the dual political stances of democratic and dictatorial? (america is the example here obviously)

if so, would this hypocrisy of holding two polar opposite pov's politically have bearing on ur support for said government (think carefully, cus this reflects ur own personality)...?

u use the word democracy in its ideal sense when u say things like 'i prefer politicians who support democracy over dictatorships.' thus u understand democracy as a universal ideal. so does this mean the US government is justified in acting democratically towards its own citizens, but not towards the international community?

pingster
July 9th, 2004, 08:02 PM
I'm quite surprised that u yanks can actually strike up an intelligent conversation….so well done u all!! javascript:emoticon(':)')

I am British and therefore will be ‘standing shoulder to shoulder’ with you…my American friends. However, I’m going to be very un-British like…. I’m going to put my hands on my sack, find my own balls….and you’ve guessed it….express my OWN opinion (Tony Blair) take note….javascript:emoticon(':D')

From an outsider looking in, I do see the US Administration as extremely hypocritical. Many examples can be given where the US prides itself as the pioneer for ‘smoking-out’ terrorist organisations. However, on the other hand they let certain countries get away with terrorist activities.
My personal feeling is that this blinkered perspective is not in the best interests of the United States, and more importantly to the rest of the world! (Just in case your wondering…the rest of the world is a tiny place just outside the US!)

As for the E.C system is not strictly ‘democracy’. As I am sure you are all aware the word democracy is derived from two ancient Greek words ‘demos’ and ‘kratos’, i.e. People and Strength. Therefore strictly speaking that should mean…. the ‘Majority’ should win and in the E.C system this clearly is not the case. However, I agree with the chap that posted the comment stating that there should be an element of protection for the minority. Therefore, I think this is the best system available for you folks.

Finally – keep eating the doughnuts and keep getting fatter…that is the only way the Brits will get the Empire back.
:wink:

dj XeNo
July 10th, 2004, 02:19 AM
I'm quite surprised that u yanks can actually strike up an intelligent conversation….so well done u all!! javascript:emoticon(':)')

I am British and therefore will be ‘standing shoulder to shoulder’ with you…my American friends. However, I’m going to be very un-British like…. I’m going to put my hands on my sack, find my own balls….and you’ve guessed it….express my OWN opinion (Tony Blair) take note….javascript:emoticon(':D')

From an outsider looking in, I do see the US Administration as extremely hypocritical. Many examples can be given where the US prides itself as the pioneer for ‘smoking-out’ terrorist organisations. However, on the other hand they let certain countries get away with terrorist activities.
My personal feeling is that this blinkered perspective is not in the best interests of the United States, and more importantly to the rest of the world! (Just in case your wondering…the rest of the world is a tiny place just outside the US!)

As for the E.C system is not strictly ‘democracy’. As I am sure you are all aware the word democracy is derived from two ancient Greek words ‘demos’ and ‘kratos’, i.e. People and Strength. Therefore strictly speaking that should mean…. the ‘Majority’ should win and in the E.C system this clearly is not the case. However, I agree with the chap that posted the comment stating that there should be an element of protection for the minority. Therefore, I think this is the best system available for you folks.

Finally – keep eating the doughnuts and keep getting fatter…that is the only way the Brits will get the Empire back.
:wink:

8)

adren@line
July 10th, 2004, 06:55 AM
what you nimrods don't understand is that the U.S. is far from a democracy, it is a theocracy.

wouldn't it make sense if the U.S was a true democracy the guy who gets the popular vote would win?

but no, we have the electoral college bullshit.... :roll:

no it wouldnt make sense.

That puts TOO much power in the hands of the people, and that can be risky since "the mob" (the American populace) is easily influenced.

dj XeNo
July 11th, 2004, 01:37 AM
what you nimrods don't understand is that the U.S. is far from a democracy, it is a theocracy.

wouldn't it make sense if the U.S was a true democracy the guy who gets the popular vote would win?

but no, we have the electoral college bullshit.... :roll:



That puts TOO much power in the hands of the people, and that can be risky since "the mob" (the American populace) is easily influenced.

you said it, not me...

chittygangbang
July 12th, 2004, 01:38 PM
YOU john kerry lovers..for the record john kerry is gay
http://www.noedesign.com/dev/KerryEdwards/index.html