Birds can talk in the Quran?

[Lebeke1]

And Solomon was David's heir. He said: "O ye people! We have been taught the speech of birds, and on us has been bestowed (a little) of all things: this is indeed Grace manifest (from Allah.)" (Quran 27:16)
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"And Solomon was David's heir. And he said: O mankind! Lo! we have been taught the language of birds, and have been given (abundance) of all things. This surely is evident favour," (Quran 27:16, Pickthall, trans.).

i just want to know what it means, thats all. not flaming or proving Islam wrong, just asking with really good intentions.

[HeRsHeE317]

all i know about animals that all of them are muslim and in some way worship Allah. :dunno:

[The Anti Desi]

There are a lot of miracles in the Quran. This include Moses the stick that turned into a serpent, Jesus healing the blind and the lepers.

In this case....I do not know about the birds actually talkin to Solomon, but couple verses later, Solomon was able to communicate with the ants.

[Lebeke1]

There are a lot of miracles in the Quran. This include Moses the stick that turned into a serpent, Jesus healing the blind and the lepers.

In this case....I do not know about the birds actually talkin to Solomon, but couple verses later, Solomon was able to communicate with the ants.


yep- "At length, when they came to a (lowly) valley of ants, one of the ants said: "O ye ants, get into your habitations, lest Solomon and his hosts crush you (under foot) without knowing it," (Quran 27:18).

"Till, when they reached the Valley of the Ants, an ant exclaimed: O ants! Enter your dwellings lest Solomon and his armies crush you, unperceiving," (Quran 27:18, Pickthal, trans.).

[Adz4eva]

And Solomon was David's heir. He said: "O ye people! We have been taught the speech of birds, and on us has been bestowed (a little) of all things: this is indeed Grace manifest (from Allah.)" (Quran 27:16)
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"And Solomon was David's heir. And he said: O mankind! Lo! we have been taught the language of birds, and have been given (abundance) of all things. This surely is evident favour," (Quran 27:16, Pickthall, trans.).

i just want to know what it means, thats all. not flaming or proving Islam wrong, just asking with really good intentions.


Other creatures worship God, in their own way. Everything bears witness to the creator, except some of mankind and jinns.

Solomon Pbuh the prophet of God was given the gift of being able to have control over the jinns and animals, he could communicate with them and understand their speech.

[Lebeke1]

Other creatures worship God, in their own way. Everything bears witness to the creator, except some of mankind and jinns.

Solomon Pbuh the prophet of God was given the gift of being able to have control over the jinns and animals, he could communicate with them and understand their speech.

where in the quran does it state that though?

[Adz4eva]

Just to add, this is a hadith which is something I heard years ago but havent actually read myself...

Anyway, all the prophets of God were given a special prayer, one dua, where whatever they ask for, God will grant them. The prophet Soloman PBUH asked God to give him something which he has given to no other prophet before him or after him, and he was given the control off jinns and animals, and able to understand and communicate with them. The prophet Noah PBUH preached for so many years to his people but was ridiculed and humiliated but never faultered, the simple fact was that his nation were some of the worst of mankind. He prayed to God to drown them all, except those few who believed and it was then God answered his prayer and told him to construct the ark. The prophet Muhammed PBUH is the only prophet to not have used his special dua yet, for he said that he will use it on the day of judgement. He will ask Allah to forgive his ummah, all of those who believed in him.

[Adz4eva]

where in the quran does it state that though?

And indeed We gave knowledge to David and Solomon, and they both said: "All the praises and thanks be to Allah, Who has preferred us above many of His believing slaves!"

And Solomon inherited (the knowledge of) David. He said: "O mankind! We have been taught the language of birds, and on us have been bestowed all things. This, verily, is an evident grace (from Allah)."

And there were gathered before Solomon his hosts of jinns and men, and birds, and they were all set in battle order (marching forwards). (Ch 27:15-17 Quran)

more here:

http://www.angelfire.com/on/ummiby1/solomon.html

[Fallen-Angel]

yeh i heard that too. Thats why we should pray for the prophet muhammed pbuh too and give salaam so that on the day of judgement he prays for us

[MolviCorleone]

birds talk, so can dogs, cats...they have thier own language, what its saying is that the prophet Moses (AS) could understand what they are saying. He had that ability.

[Adz4eva]

birds talk, so can dogs, cats...they have thier own language, what its saying is that the prophet Moses (AS) could understand what they are saying. He had that ability.

Moses? :/ :neutral:

;)

[MolviCorleone]

Moses? :/ :neutral:

;)

ahaha my mistake.
im sleepy bro

[Adz4eva]

ahaha my mistake.
im sleepy bro

Lol, me too bro.

Im out for now, night all, Peace.

[Chronos]

And Solomon was David's heir. He said: "O ye people! We have been taught the speech [1] of birds, and on us has been bestowed (a little) of all things [2]: this is indeed Grace manifest (from Allah.)" (Quran 27:16)


Abdullah Yusuf Ali in this commentary on this verse says:

[1] :- The spoken word in human speech is different from the means of communication with birds and animals have between each other. But no man can doubt that they have a means of communication with each other... The wisdom of Solomon and others like him conisisted in understanding these things - in the animal world and in the lower fringes of human intelligence.

[2]: - Solomon was a king of power and authority; ... he had influence among many neighboring peoples; he had knowledge of birds, and beasts and plants; he was just and wise and understood men; and above all, he had spiritual insight, which brought him near to God.

The way I see it, there is no need to take the verse literally and think that Solomon could actually talk in bird-speak. Rather the message we're supposed to get out of this, in my mind, is that he understood very well how birds communicated, much like how many top zoologists today have a good understanding of the behavioral patterns of certain species. In other words, Solomon was a learned, gifted and spiritual man.

And when Islamic literature talks of animals and other species worshipping God, it basically is referring to what many others would refer to as Mother Nature. In other words, plants, animals and other organisms, from the Islamic point of view, all follow a natural pattern and can never act or react against the will of their Creator - God.

[SSSash]

what about plants?

[Indian_Eyess]

One of the miracles given to Solomon from God along with great wisdom was the ability to communicate with animals. Its also supported in the Bible and the Torah.

[Indian_Eyess]

Abdullah Yusuf Ali in this commentary on this verse says:

[1] :- The spoken word in human speech is different from the means of communication with birds and animals have between each other. But no man can doubt that they have a means of communication with each other... The wisdom of Solomon and others like him conisisted in understanding these things - in the animal world and in the lower fringes of human intelligence.

[2]: - Solomon was a king of power and authority; ... he had influence among many neighboring peoples; he had knowledge of birds, and beasts and plants; he was just and wise and understood men; and above all, he had spiritual insight, which brought him near to God.

The way I see it, there is no need to take the verse literally and think that Solomon could actually talk in bird-speak. Rather the message we're supposed to get out of this, in my mind, is that he understood very well how birds communicated, much like how many top zoologists today have a good understanding of the behavioral patterns of certain species. In other words, Solomon was a learned, gifted and spiritual man.

And when Islamic literature talks of animals and other species worshipping God, it basically is referring to what many others would refer to as Mother Nature. In other words, plants, animals and other organisms, from the Islamic point of view, all follow a natural pattern and can never act or react against the will of their Creator - God.
best answer yet, SubhanAllah.

[adren@line]

are there infidel and idolater birds as well?

[Chronos]

are there infidel and idolater birds as well?

why do you ask?

[HeRsHeE317]

are there infidel and idolater birds as well?
refer to my post above :eek:

[bmw]

speaking of the day of judgement....is it just me...or do any of you feel that its coming quite soon?

[Space-Cowboy]

speaking of the day of judgement....is it just me...or do any of you feel that its coming quite soon?


It's just you.

[bmw]

lol....in denial are we?

does global warming/increased natural disasters, new global epidemics on the daily, prefabricated war on "terrorism" aka gradual global domination, detoriation of humanity ....values, morals, ethics..., increasing Godlessness...etc
ring a bell?

Or maybe I'm a cynic and we should all live in our happy place where everything is fine and dandy with leprochauns and bunny rabbits and magical little elfs :grouphug:
rofl

[MolviCorleone]

lol....in denial are we?

does global warming/increased natural disasters, new global epidemics on the daily, prefabricated war on "terrorism" aka gradual global domination, detoriation of humanity ....values, morals, ethics..., increasing Godlessness...etc
ring a bell?

Or maybe I'm a cynic and we should all live in our happy place where everything is fine and dandy with leprochauns and bunny rabbits and magical little elfs :grouphug:
rofl
http://forums.ratedesi.com/showpost.php?p=4174305&postcount=56

[Geezer]

do the Muslim birds invade the nests of the idolater birds and mercilessly slaughter them?

:)

Dude stop provoking, there's no need.

[Space-Cowboy]

lol....in denial are we?

does global warming/increased natural disasters, new global epidemics on the daily, prefabricated war on "terrorism" aka gradual global domination, detoriation of humanity ....values, morals, ethics..., increasing Godlessness...etc
ring a bell?

Or maybe I'm a cynic and we should all live in our happy place where everything is fine and dandy with leprochauns and bunny rabbits and magical little elfs :grouphug:
rofl

Who said anything about living happy? We'll probably have a third world war soon.... but that's HARDLY the 'end of times'.....

and FYI: The idea of Heaven sucks, I'd much rather be in Hell...... I'll see yuh there...... :firedevi:

[dj XeNo]

Before the day of judgment all animals will begin to talk, that is one of the major signs. Solomon was special in his own right, he had a ring that gave him the power to control djinns, which he used to built that great temple in modern day Palestine which one has one wall standing (the whaling wall).

That's one idea Tokien stole for Lord of the Rings. The one ring to rule them all is actually Solomon's ring.

[Lebeke1]

Before the day of judgment all animals will begin to talk, that is one of the major signs. Solomon was special in his own right, he had a ring that gave him the power to control djinns, which he used to built that great temple in modern day Palestine which one has one wall standing (the whaling wall).

That's one idea Tokien stole for Lord of the Rings. The one ring to rule them all is actually Solomon's ring.

stole? well, the ring could also signify sin, as the ring only brings corruption to those who bear it. the ring you say solomon used brought hope and not depression.

[Indian_Eyess]

stole? well, the ring could also signify sin, as the ring only brings corruption to those who bear it. the ring you say solomon used brought hope and not depression.
He didnt say that the story was copied off of Solomon's ring, but was rather inspired by the story.

[Lebeke1]

He didnt say that the story was copied off of Solomon's ring, but was rather inspired by the story.


oh...im sorry then. i just assumed that because he used the word stole over inspired. two different things you know....but w.e

[Indian_Eyess]

oh...im sorry then. i just assumed that because he used the word stole over inspired. two different things you know....but w.e
true

[LiLtOoCrAzYyY]

I think this story also appears in the Bible as well. (don't quote me on that)
But ne hoo....

Allah had give Sulayman (as) the ability to understand what the birds said. The birds didn't TALK how we do, all animals speak amongst themselves, and he was jus given the ability to understand that speech. It was all a miracle from Allah.

[Ghulabo]

Abdullah Yusuf Ali in this commentary on this verse says:

[1] :- The spoken word in human speech is different from the means of communication with birds and animals have between each other. But no man can doubt that they have a means of communication with each other... The wisdom of Solomon and others like him conisisted in understanding these things - in the animal world and in the lower fringes of human intelligence.

[2]: - Solomon was a king of power and authority; ... he had influence among many neighboring peoples; he had knowledge of birds, and beasts and plants; he was just and wise and understood men; and above all, he had spiritual insight, which brought him near to God.

The way I see it, there is no need to take the verse literally and think that Solomon could actually talk in bird-speak. Rather the message we're supposed to get out of this, in my mind, is that he understood very well how birds communicated, much like how many top zoologists today have a good understanding of the behavioral patterns of certain species. In other words, Solomon was a learned, gifted and spiritual man.

And when Islamic literature talks of animals and other species worshipping God, it basically is referring to what many others would refer to as Mother Nature. In other words, plants, animals and other organisms, from the Islamic point of view, all follow a natural pattern and can never act or react against the will of their Creator - God.

couldn't have said it better :)

[Ghulabo]

"Verily, We made the mountains to glorify Our Praises with him (David) in the Ashi (after the mid-day till sunset) and Ishraq (after the sunrise till mid-day). And (so did) the birds assembled: all with him (David) did turn (to Allah, glorified His Praises). We made his kingdom strong and gave him wisdom and sound judgment in speech and decision." (Ch 38:18-20 Quran)




Creatures such as the plants, birds, beasts, and even the mountains responded to his voice glorifying Allah. Allah had chosen David to be a prophet and revealed the Psalms to him. As He the Almighty said: And to David We gave the Psalms. (Ch 17:55 Quran).


David's sincerity was not the only factor responsible for the birds and beasts joining with him in glorifying Allah, nor was the
sweetness of his voice. It was a miracle from Allah. This was not his only miracle, for Allah also endowed him with the faculty of understanding the languages of birds and animals.

Dawud (David) (http://www.weneedtounite.com/dawud.htm)

[MaanoBilla]

Someone should ask Lebeke1 if the question was answered.

[MaanoBilla]

are there infidel and idolater birds as well?

Still up to the same old tricks, huh? Talk about dejavu. At least you're persistent... that can be a good thing if you utilize your energy in a positive and constructive way. Anyway, just logged on after ages and couldn't resist the temptation to say hi to you. After all, we do go way back :p

[adren@line]

Still up to the same old tricks, huh? Talk about dejavu. At least you're persistent... that can be a good thing if you utilize your energy in a positive and constructive way. Anyway, just logged on after ages and couldn't resist the temptation to say hi to you. After all, we do go way back :p

what I am doing is positive.

No Hindu on the face of this earth should respect Islam, and atleast I can get through a few of them on this site.

:)

[Ghulabo]

what I am doing is positive.

No Hindu on the face of this earth should respect Islam, and atleast I can get through a few of them on this site.

:)

poor soul, i guess with ur ignorance there's no limit

i feel so bad for you but then again your brain is too thick, it only wants to listen to it's own idiocy so im not even going to bother

i wonder if you really are that blunt in real, cuz if you were, you wouldn't be here

it's okay, take your anger and frustration out in the e-world. happy playing immature :wavey:

[Lebeke1]

poor soul, i guess with ur ignorance there's no limit

i feel so bad for you but then again your brain is too thick, it only wants to listen to it's own idiocy so im not even going to bother

i wonder if you really are that blunt in real, cuz if you were, you wouldn't be here

it's okay, take your anger and frustration out in the e-world. happy playing immature :wavey:


its funny how that has n o t h i n g to do with this thread. instead your being instigator, intruding in this thread and instead of posting helpful posts, you post hate.

[MaanoBilla]

adren@line You didn't say "hi" to me. I'm crushed :( ................ :p

Ghulabo Everybody has certain inclinations. Adrenaline's inclination is Islam-Bashing (at least online). Some Muslims like to bash Hinduism and some Hindus like to bash Islam so ultimately it all balances out. I've had my fair share of arguments with him and his like and that's why I know that his arguments are never convincing and therefore he is never a threat. So don't let it get to you and just sit back, relax, and enjoy the venting he does :)

Lebeke1 If your question is still unanswered then you should've posted a follow up question. If your question is already answered then this topic has outdone its purpose and is headed towards its doom any way and therefore you shouldn't be concerned with the cause because the effect is the same.

[adren@line]

poor soul, i guess with ur ignorance there's no limit

i feel so bad for you but then again your brain is too thick, it only wants to listen to it's own idiocy so im not even going to bother

i wonder if you really are that blunt in real, cuz if you were, you wouldn't be here

it's okay, take your anger and frustration out in the e-world. happy playing immature :wavey:

blah blah blah.

Instead of slinging insults, try to think of *any* reason why Hindus should respect Islam.


:Paper:

[Chronos]

blah blah blah.

Instead of slinging insults, try to think of *any* reason why Hindus should respect Islam.


:Paper:

for a start, because hindus and muslims live in the same country?

[adren@line]

for a start, because hindus and muslims live in the same country?

then they should respect the Muslims as people.
That doesnt mean they should respect Islam.

[baseeji]

talking= communication

animals communicate with each other just as a human being can communicate with a dog the prophet could communicate with the bird,, maybe like the eagle traineers or who knows???

[dj XeNo]

then they should respect the Muslims as people.
That doesnt mean they should respect Islam.

You can't respect them without respecting their religion. Would you feel as tho I respected you, but then you found out that I talked shit on your religion?

I don't think you would feel respected.

[The Anti Desi]

You can't respect them without respecting their religion. Would you feel as tho I respected you, but then you found out that I talked shit on your religion?

I don't think you would feel respected.
Can't really say that. I hate Satanism, but I still have 2 friends who are Satanists.

Same way I dislike the "sects" of Islam, I still have friends among them.

[Lebeke1]

Someone should ask Lebeke1 if the question was answered.


oh, yeah, a long time ago. like the second post was good already, but people just seem to keep posting. i guess they like repeating things...