10 things guys shud never do to a girl

[Echelon]

fixed

i.e. I am an idealistic desi girl and I don't have a boyfriend, I just pretend I will get one, one day, because bollywood tells me so.

[kucchnahi]

what religion are you cuz u seem confused? anyways if ur dad never got horny, u wouldnt be here....can someone else tell her this?

Dude, this is what I had to say TheDude and the same goes for you:

"Oh, meee God! Obviously, I know that my father has sex with my mom. I am just saying that he was brought with values, rigid discipline, and wont to have a religiosity that prevented him from engaging in premarital relationships and that which enabled him to look beyond the physical aspect to marriage as the desired avenue to engaging in sex."

Now, as for what religion I am, I'm a Muslim. Am I confused? I don't think so but that is a matter of perspective, isn't it?

[thenumber12]

Oh, meee God! Obviously, I know that my father has sex with my mom. I am just saying that he was brought with values, rigid discipline, and wont to have a religiosity that prevented him from engaging in premarital relationships and that which enabled him to look beyond the physical aspect to marriage as the desired avenue to engaging in sex.
haha yo i aint even tlkin premartial, im sayin in general.... just cuz u got good values and all doesnt mean u dont get horny, u still seem to be denying this....im sorry babies DO come from storks

[PinkPowerRanger]

fixed

u bloody. :squint:

[kucchnahi]

kucchnahi, read what I wrote re: intention in my original quote. It's still relevant to your father.

Sorry, let me find it. Hold. :)

[thenumber12]

and. aSalaamwalaykum :wavey:

[chunky]

hehe hi
sup girl.

[Echelon]

I'll have you know that every man thinks like me, its true, we are all alike.
And for those who are heterosexual, our life does revolve around getting what we want in some shape or another. I guess there are some loose morals which differ from person to person, but essentially, we are all bastards greedy for women and their abilities to please us. Our intentions remain the same, but how we go about it is different and whether the status quo remains true to the intention is dependent on a number of factors which ultimately depend on how a man perceives his environment around him and how it can benefit him in view of his intentions.
A man lacking power will opt for the submissive route.
A man with power will take what he wants.
But in the end, they all want the same thing. We all are bastards, accept it.


For your ref.

[kucchnahi]

Yeah, the "action" is largely determined by social conditioning, but I was talking about "intention" which is purely based on thought and perception -- something induced via hormones and cultivated via social views of sexuality and women.

Hmm, I'm a little confused about your argument here. So, intention to engage in sex is determined by biology? If so, I don't believe that because intention is largely shaped by social conditioning by culture, although one's desire for the physical is biological to a large degree. :)

[PuRe SeduCtioN]

sup girl.

nm hehe.. how abuot you?

[kucchnahi]

and. aSalaamwalaykum :wavey:

Walekum-Assalam. Darn, this thread is moving too fast for me to keep track of comments.

[kucchnahi]

For your ref.

Lol. I don't believe all men are like that, but I believe most are. :)

[thenumber12]

Walekum-Assalam. Darn, this thread is moving too fast for me to keep track of comments.
Take your time.

[kucchnahi]

Take your time.

Lol. I am.

[BigCrazyIndian]

sweet, I don't see "rape her" on the list.

[Echelon]

Hmm, I'm a little confused about your argument here. So, intention to engage in sex is determined by biology? If so, I don't believe that because intention is largely shaped by social conditioning by culture, although one's desire for the physical is biological to a large degree. :)

This doesn't make sense, you're submitting to the fact that desire is inherently biological, then you say you don't believe in "intent" to be of similar nature.
How does intention differ from desire.
They're both inherently the same.

I actually think attraction is a universal thing pertaining to aesthetics, but with the above at hand, humans are drawn to each other both in a geometrical aesthetic front and in an evolutionary sense.
"Mating" is an instinct derived by nature and "natural selection" and choosing the right partner is largely determined on how we perceive beauty, even how we perceive beauty today.

[kucchnahi]

i.e. I am an idealistic desi girl and I don't have a boyfriend, I just pretend I will get one, one day, because bollywood tells me so.

:squint:

Okay, I'll admit Bollywood to a very small degree does color my expectation (realize I'm not speaking for others). But for the most part, my expectation is purely based on faith rather than something tangible. :)

[thenumber12]

hope u read my other response to you since ur loosing it kockochcinnn

[kucchnahi]

This doesn't make sense, you're submitting to the fact that desire is inherently biological, then you say you don't believe in "intent" to be of similar nature.
How does intention differ from desire.
They're both inherently the same.

I actually think attraction is a universal thing pertaining to aesthetics, but with the above at hand, humans are drawn to each other both in a geometrical aesthetic front and in an evolutionary sense.
"Mating" is an instinct derived by nature and "natural selection" and choosing the right partner is largely determined on how we perceive beauty, even how we perceive beauty today.

Actually, I think that is where we differ. I agree with you on the point that the desire to engage in sex is natural to a large degree. But...

I differ with you on the idea regarding the "intention" to engage in sex. I make a distinction between intention and desire, which I guess you don't. :)

[chunky]

nm hehe.. how abuot you?
what you giggling about?

[kucchnahi]

hope u read my other response to you since ur loosing it kockochcinnn

Lol at my sn-typing.

Hmm, where is it? I'll try to find it.

[Echelon]

Lol. I don't believe all men are like that, but I believe most are. :)

All men are.

If they are homosexual, interchange their needs.

If they are celibate for religious reasons, interchange "females" with God.

Your father lead a moral life for the principle rewards. One of the rewards factoring into that would be to project an image of himself as a man that is "beyond" all the desperate and seedy men who lacked the gentlemen quality he could have projected. This is done with the "intention" of attracting superior females who "select" beyond those inferior males.

PS) This wasn't the only intention for doing what he "did".

[TheDude]

:lulz:

[Echelon]

Actually, I think that is where we differ. I agree with you on the point that the desire to engage in sex is natural to a large degree. But...

I differ with you on the idea regarding the "intention" to engage in sex. I make a distinction between intention and desire, which I guess you don't. :)

An intention differs from a desire in that you have something which will lead to a sense of action. I think men, always and subconsciously act out on their desires in some form of another -- this doesn't directly entail action in having sex, but rather an attempt to have sex. The attempt can be subtle and unnoticed, but there is always a reaction to the desire.

[kucchnahi]

haha yo i aint even tlkin premartial, im sayin in general.... just cuz u got good values and all doesnt mean u dont get horny, u still seem to be denying this....im sorry babies DO come from storks

Hmm, okay, I'm a normal girl; so, do I want to find out what sex is like? Yes. But after marriage only. And I think it is only men who are more likely to experience the sexual frustration I think you seem to be talking about; of course, I might be wrong about this, but I don't know.

[kucchnahi]

All men are.

If they are homosexual, interchange their needs.

If they are celibate for religious reasons, interchange "females" with God.

Your father lead a moral life for the principle rewards. One of the rewards factoring into that would be to project an image of himself as a man that is "beyond" all the desperate and seedy men who lacked the gentlemen quality he could have projected. This is done with the "intention" of attracting superior females who "select" beyond those inferior males.

PS) This wasn't the only intention for doing what he "did".

Lol. My father had an arranged marriage; he didn't even see my mother except in a picture and had never met her prior to the day of the wedding. And the wedding had been arranged by his own father who only after determining my mother's family worthy had my father marry into it. So, I'm not sure how you can argue about "intention" of attracting superior females.

[thenumber12]

Hmm, okay, I'm a normal girl; so, do I want to find out what sex is like? Yes. But after marriage only. And I think it is only men who are more likely to experience the sexual frustration I think you seem to be talking about; of course, I might be wrong about this, but I don't know.
yea anyone with high enough hormone levels can be sexually frustrated, and im not sayin premarital u just seemed to be sayin like it never happens.

[TheDude]

wow you people are pervs

[kucchnahi]

An intention differs from a desire in that you have something which will lead to a sense of action. I think men, always and subconsciously act out on their desires in some form of another -- this doesn't directly entail action in having sex, but rather an attempt to have sex. The attempt can be subtle and unnoticed, but there is always a reaction to the desire.

Lol. I don't know if I can really talk about something here that I don't understand since I have always understood and continue to understand intention as different from desire. But if both of them are intertwined for males as you seem to be arguing, this is really the first I have heard of it.

[thenumber12]

Lol. My father had an arranged marriage; he didn't even see my mother except in a picture and had never met her prior to the day of the wedding. And the wedding had been arranged by his own father who only after determining my mother's family worthy had my father marry into it. So, I'm not sure how you can argue about "intention" of attracting superior females.
seems a lil more indian tradtion than islamic

[chunky]

Lol. My father had an arranged marriage; he didn't even see my mother except in a picture and had never met her prior to the day of the wedding. And the wedding had been arranged by his own father who only after determining my mother's family worthy had my father marry into it. So, I'm not sure how you can argue about "intention" of attracting superior females.
Doesn't the woman typically marry into a family? :lulz:

[Echelon]

Lol. My father had an arranged marriage; he didn't even see my mother except in a picture and had never met her prior to the day of the wedding. And the wedding had been arranged by his own father who only after determining my mother's family worthy had my father marry into it. So, I'm not sure how you can argue about "intention" of attracting superior females.

Yes and? He behaved that way and had the arranged marriage in assuming that he'd get the best possible suitor for his needs -- one which he could have some level of expectation of "reward" and "reliability".
Most people behave in a proper manner as your father did because of the reaction his behavior creates in a social environment. Do you honestly think your father would be a proper gentlemen if he was 20 and set foot on a land (where he was locked in forever) where the entire population were female-models who wanted to fuck him silly?
I don't think so. Stop being silly.

[kucchnahi]

Doesn't the woman typically marry into a family? :lulz:

Lol. I think it is both marrying into each other's family? :dunno:

[kucchnahi]

Yes and? He behaved that way and had the arranged marriage in assuming that he'd get the best possible suitor for his needs -- one which he could have some level of expectation of "reward" and "reliability".
Most people behave in a proper manner as your father did because of the reaction of the social environment. Do you honestly think your father would be a proper gentlemen if he was 20 and set foot on a land (where he was locked in forever) where the entire population were female-models?
I don't think so. Stop being silly.

Dude, I'm not being silly. I have been arguing for some time that my father is of a different generation and from a different place. So, yes, I don't know what would have happened if he had lived here and grown up here. I think most of the male posters here give me little credit for my mind and automatically assume that I'm naive enough to ignore the obvious. :) However, that is not to say that similar men don't exist here; I especially like to hope they are.

[Sikh4Lyfe]

OMG bearfantasy.txt

:bowdown:

How many times have I fantasized about this...

[kucchnahi]

OMG bearfantasy.txt

:bowdown:

How many times have I fantasized about this...

Oh, dude, at least for a little while you lightened the mood.

:hug:

[cutenoreen]

Does 'kucchnahi' mean 'nothing' in hindi?

[Sikh4Lyfe]

It's always been a fantasy of mine to be a sex slave for 2 bears, male and female, pleasing the male when she's tired, and vice versa. Slowly sliding my lips up and down his thick shaft, tasting his pre-cum on my tongue. Once he's had enough of that, he rolls over onto his back, lifting me up as though I weighed nothing. Gently placing me on his cock, I guide him in, feeling him stretch me wide open. I moan with pleasure, feeling him fill me up. He growls softly, I feel it rumble deep in his chest, vibrating all the way down his body and through mine. He continues to lift me up and then pull me down. He's doing all the work for me, it feels so good, the warmth of the fur, his paws either side of my waist. He is in total control, I'm just nothing compared to his vast size and strength, but I have total trust in him, I know he won't hurt me. I feel the pace quicken, almost imperceptibly. I slowly stroke myself, feeling myself nearing the point of no return coming closer with every stroke. I can hear the growl getting louder now; he speeds up even more, forcing me further and further down onto his thick cock. If it wasn't for the fact I my body is releasing so many endorphines, I would probably be screaming in agony. Except I am panting and whining, just like a bitch, begging her mate to fill her up. His claws dig in deeper, the pain, its excsquisite. It sends me over the edge. My head goes back, I let out a short grunt, I feel my cock explode, covering his chest fur in my seed. I keep stroking, it looks as though I'm trying to rip my cock out. I let out another grunt, another torrent flows forth, then another and another. A drop lands on the beasts muzzle. He seems confused for a moment. That's what I think. He digs his paws in even harder now and slams me onto his cock, I feel his grumble turn into a roar. He's cumming, oh my god. I can feel in, filling me up. It's undescribable. He's mating with me, he's claimed me. I feel him slow, his cock still throbbing within me, it seems as though there's no more room for his cum. It's dripping out of me, onto his fur. I reach down, and then bring my hand up, tasting him. It's more than I ever expected. It's heaven.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y31/PaLal7iN/scaredbear.jpg

[kucchnahi]

Does 'kucchnahi' mean 'nothing' in hindi?

:wave:

Lol. Yes, it does. :D

[PinkPowerRanger]

:wave:

Lol. Yes, it does. :D

so are u like a philosophy major or something?

[cutenoreen]

:wave:

Lol. Yes, it does. :DHello.

How old are you? =)

[kucchnahi]

so are u like a philosophy major or something?

Nope, anthropology. :)

[kucchnahi]

Hello.

How old are you? =)

Lol. Sorry, I don't answer personal information online. But hello to you too. :)

[Sikh4Lyfe]

Oh, dude, at least for a little while you lightened the mood.

:hug:

You like bear cock as well?

[Echelon]

Dude, I'm not being silly. I have been arguing for some time that my father is of a different generation and from a different place. So, yes, I don't know what would have happened if he had lived here and grown up here. I think most of the male posters here give me little credit for my mind and automatically assume that I'm naive enough to ignore the obvious. :)

No, I'm just stating that if your father after he was say 20 or just for your own conviction was 30, went to a female-wonderland where he was cacooned away from the rest of the world, would he be proper? I don't think so.

Every man, has desire/intention pre-built. Some men are conditioned with values to make them behave a particular way in getting these "desire". But naturally, if the environment is geared to have an abundance of women, and culture which projects sexual opportunity, every man will want to dominate its resources and look at it from a free point of view.

There is only one truth which stems from this:
It only takes one woman to turn a good man into a bastard. And it only takes one man to turn a good woman into a whore.

You want a man that shelters himself from the game because he believes in a pseudo tradition i.e. he believes in a set of ideals which are a blue-printed way of getting what he wants? Or do you want a man who gets what he wants because he knows he can -- even if it means you are going to be used-and-abused.
At the end of the day thats the million dollar question facing females, do you want a pussy or a pussy-hustler.

[cutenoreen]

Lol um. Alright.

[kucchnahi]

You like bear cock as well?

No. But whatever you wrote was a reprieve for a little while. So, for that, I gave you a hug. :)

[kucchnahi]

Lol um. Alright.

Sorry, it is nothing personal. I still like you. :)

[TheDude]

lol megla, you're sooo cute :hug:

[kucchnahi]

No, I'm just stating that if your father after he was say 20 or just for your own conviction was 30, went to a female-wonderland where he was cacooned away from the rest of the world, would he be proper? I don't think so.

Every man, has desire/intention pre-built. Some men are conditioned with values to make them behave a particular way in getting these "desire". But naturally, if the environment is geared to have an abundance of women, and culture which projects sexual opportunity, every man will want to dominate its resources and look at it from a free point of view.

There is only one truth which stems from this:
It only takes one woman to turn a good man into a bastard. And it only takes one man to turn a good woman into a whore.

You want a man that shelters himself from the game because he believes in a pseudo tradition i.e. he believes in a set of ideals which are a blue-printed way of getting what he wants? Or do you want a man who gets what he wants because he knows he can -- even if it means you are going to be used-and-abused.
At the end of the day thats the million dollar question facing females, do you want a pussy or a pussy-hustler.

I want a man who believes in much the same ideals that my father believed in. And like I said, I believe that there are a few men like it, and I hope I am lucky enough to find someone like that. And as a female, I can tell you I don't like playboys.

[Sikh4Lyfe]

No. But whatever you wrote was a reprieve for a little while. So, for that, I gave you a hug. :)

So many big words. We have an elitist internet forum member here. Don't lie, you like bear cock.

[kucchnahi]

So many big words. We have an elitist internet forum member here. Don't lie, you like bear cock.

Hmm, I am not lying. :) And I am not elitist.

[cutenoreen]

Sorry, it is nothing personal. I still like you. :)Ok.

[Sikh4Lyfe]

Hmm, I am not lying. :) And I am not elitist.

You're obviously an AE. Stop fucking around.

[Echelon]

I want a man who believes in much the same ideals that my father believed in. And like I said, I believe that there are a few men like it, and I hope I am lucky enough to find someone like that. And as a female, I can tell you I don't like playboys.

Your father was conditioned with the belief that he will be given rewards if he lead a traditional life -- a blue printed life. It's a bit traditional, take the good from the bad, there is some art to it. But inevitably, there is always going to be a bastard element lingering, no matter what you try and do. And probability wise, if you're going to find this specific suitor in an environment which is no longer governed by pseudo-courting mechanisms, you're going to find yourself in strife. You're either way too idealistic, unrealistic, or base your conclusions on assumption. And unless you look like parulsharma or a girl I'd fuck more than a few occassions, then I'll be willing to bet that you've gone past your mid 20s and hitting the delusion zone or you're in your early 20s and confused by the pragma of bollywood monsoon rain scenes.

[kucchnahi]

You're obviously an AE. Stop fucking around.

Hmm, TheDude did a check on me after you said that in one of my threads as a newbie; he already confirmed that I am not. You may ask him and redress your concern to him if you still feel that way. So, no, I am not anyone's alter ego. In fact, I didn't even know what AE meant until he told me. :)

[kucchnahi]

Your father was conditioned with the belief that he will be given rewards if he lead a traditional life -- a blue printed life. It's a bit traditional, take the good from the bad, there is some art to it. But inevitably, there is always going to be a bastard element lingering, no matter what you try and do. And probability wise, if you're going to find this specific suitor in an environment which is no longer governed by pseudo-courting mechanisms, you're going to find yourself in strife. You're either way too idealistic, unrealistic, or base your conclusions on assumption. And unless you look like parulsharma or a girl I'd fuck more than a few occassions, then I'll be willing to bet that you've gone past your mid 20s and hitting the delusion zone or you're in your early 20s and confused by the pragma of bollywood monsoon rain scenes.

Lol. Hmm, I'm not disillusioned. And I might be idealistic to some degree, but I have enough of the pragmatic also to realize that you are generalizing men. Moreover, you may find it hard to relate to a man of the nature that I describe because you have already convinced yourself that he never existed and will not do so definitely in this era and place. To me, that would be tantamount, for example, to generalizing the case of all women gossiping; while, yes, most women gossip, it would be a great error to assume that all do.

[Echelon]

Lol. Hmm, I'm not disillusioned. And I might be idealistic to some degree, but I have enough of the pragmatic also to realize that you are generalizing men. Moreover, you may find it hard to relate to a man of the nature that I describe because you have already convinced yourself that he never existed and will not do so definitely in this era and place. To me, that would be tantamount, for example, to generalizing the case of all women gossiping; while, yes, most women gossip, it would be a great error to assume that all do.

All women do gossip, thats something I've taken for granted. They will bring down other women in some shape or another. If they haven't gossiped yet, theres a potential to gossip -- a big one at that.

And heh, i'm saying this because most men are very natural around other men. When we're sitting on the couch watching sport, all the other crap just breaks down, and we are all the same -- blokes.


And "idealistic" to some degree, lol. I'll guarantee you'll get swindled by a player, it just depends on the man and his capabilities. The more defense mechanisms you have, the more you become vulnerable.

[Sikh4Lyfe]

Hmm, TheDude did a check on me after you said that in one of my threads as a newbie; he already confirmed that I am not. You may ask him and redress your concern to him if you still feel that way. So, no, I am not anyone's alter ego. In fact, I didn't even know what AE meant until he told me. :)

Right. Have you ever seen a lion? Consider yourself warned.

[Echelon]

And kucchnahi, have you been in any relationships so far? If so, how long ago was your last one? And if that "broke" up, isn't that a failure on your part to detect an "ideal" suitor.
And if you haven't, isn't this some inexperience on your part to be giving a good insight to the inner workings of men?

[kucchnahi]

All women do gossip, thats something I've taken for granted. They will bring down other women in some shape or another. If they haven't gossiped yet, theres a potential to gossip -- a big one at that.

And heh, i'm saying this because most men are very natural around other men. When we're sitting on the couch watching sport, all the other crap just breaks down, and we are all the same -- blokes.


And "idealistic" to some degree, lol. I'll guarantee you'll get swindled by a player, it just depends on the man and his capabilities. The more defense mechanisms you have, the more you become vulnerable.

I have come to believe that you and I are so convinced by our respective arguments/positions that any other discussion will only let us become further entangled in only that which we have already either said or implied here today. So, I think it is best if we agree to disagree. :)

[TheDude]

http://www.intternetti.net/~jiri/motivation/rpg/denial.jpg

[kucchnahi]

Right. Have you ever seen a lion? Consider yourself warned.

Yes, I saw a lion when I was a kid, but I am sure that is not what you meant. And secondly, I was upset that TheDude checked up on my details because of your comment. But if it will relieve other people's minds to know that I'm not an AE, then maybe it is for the better. However, I value my privacy highly and was quite upset when I had learned this; but for you to continue to act this way is beyond my understanding when I have explained this to you clearly.

[kucchnahi]

And kucchnahi, have you been in any relationships so far? If so, how long ago was your last one? And if that "broke" up, isn't that a failure on your part to detect an "ideal" suitor.
And if you haven't, isn't this some inexperience on your part to be giving a good insight to the inner workings of men?

Hmm, no, I have never been in any relationship because I don't believe in either premarital sex or premarital relationships. I believe in arranged marriage, though seen through a modern lens. Hmm, I think my friends have had enough premarital relationships, and I have learned enough from their experiences to know exactly where I stand. :)

[Sikh4Lyfe]

Yes, I saw a lion when I was a kid, but I am sure that is not what you meant. And secondly, I was upset that TheDude checked up on my details because of your comment. But if it will relieve other people's minds to know that I'm not an AE, then maybe it is for the better. However, I value my privacy highly and was quite upset when I had learned this; but for you to continue to act this way is beyond my understanding when I have explained this to you clearly.

:blahblah: Welcome to the internets.

[Echelon]

Hmm, no, I have never been in any relationship because I don't believe in either premarital sex or premarital relationships. I believe in arranged marriage, though seen through a modern lens. Hmm, I think my friends have had enough premarital relationships, and I have learned enough from their experiences to know exactly where I stand. :)

So basically you're going through second hand knowledge i.e. chinese whispers i.e. "gossip" as a means of knowledge.
Brilliant, superb.

So you've chosen the way of arranged marriage, your sense of attraction is going to be governed by bio-datas and photographs. Your perception of him and his behavior is portrayed in a box shaped room that is administrated by your parents. And you are going to use his families reputation, wealth and other statistics to determine who he is as a person.

Basically you've opted to read the ingredients and caloric intake of a piece of food without taste-testing it.

My way of life is different to yours in that I've become a food connoisseurs and by tasting different foods, I am slowly realising what appeals to me and who I am as a person i.e. my identity. Without the ability to taste, I am just an amoeba who's numbed my tongue going where people tell me to go.

[(sic)]

So basically you're going through second hand knowledge i.e. chinese whispers i.e. "gossip" as a means of knowledge.
Brilliant, superb.

So you've chosen the way of arranged marriage, your sense of attraction is going to be governed by bio-datas and photographs. Your perception of him and his behavior is portrayed in a box shaped room that is administrated by your parents. And you are going to use his families reputation, wealth and other statistics to determine who he is as a person.

Basically you've opted to read the ingredients and caloric intake of a piece of food without taste-testing it.

My way of life is different to yours in that I've become a food connoisseurs and by tasting different foods, I am slowly realising what appeals to me and who I am as a person i.e. my identity. Without the ability to taste, I am just an amoeba who's numbed my tongue going where people tell me to go.
i agree with you but you still talk a lot of shit.

[musicchic33]

i agree with you but you still talk a lot of shit.

lulz but he's actually making sense here

:idea:

[kucchnahi]

So basically you're going through second hand knowledge i.e. chinese whispers i.e. "gossip" as a means of knowledge.
Brilliant, superb.

So you've chosen the way of arranged marriage, your sense of attraction is going to be governed by bio-datas and photographs. Your perception of him and his behavior is portrayed in a box shaped room that is administrated by your parents. And you are going to use his families reputation, wealth and other statistics to determine who he is as a person.

Basically you've opted to read the ingredients and caloric intake of a piece of food without taste-testing it.

My way of life is different to yours in that I've become a food connoisseurs and by tasting different foods, I am slowly realising what appeals to me and who I am as a person i.e. my identity. Without the ability to taste, I am just an amoeba who's numbed my tongue going where people tell me to go.

My own religiosity and values also factor into this; but the clever analogy you have adopted of this as "Chinese whispers" seems to put it into a negative light. But that said, I know where I stand, who I am. If I didn't, I wouldn't be where I am or who I am. Also, I like to think that I can learn from other people's mistakes; I don't believe in necessarily experimenting with a formula that has already been tried and found to be lacking. :)

[(sic)]

lulz but he's actually making sense here

:idea:
i said i agree with him

[kucchnahi]

I'm going to go to sleep in a few minutes. So, if you want to say anything else, I will probably get to it in the morning. :)

[Echelon]

My own religiosity and values also factor into this; but the clever analogy you have adopted of this as "Chinese whispers" seems to put it into a negative light. But that said, I know where I stand, who I am. If I didn't, I wouldn't be where I am or who I am. Also, I like to think that I can learn from other people's mistakes; I don't believe in necessarily experimenting with a formula that has already been tried and found to be lacking. :)

There have been for and against arguments in love marriages and arranged marriages. Both haven't been "tried and found to be lacking".
The problem with arranged though is that it is largely controlled by a collective ideal i.e. cultural needs, rather than a self-need. You say you know who you are, but you're limiting your own sense of exploration within the bounds of dogma.

Arranged marriage as a system would work well if it operated in a world where people are oblivious to other opportunities - i.e love marriages/pre-marital affairs -- this would bode well into a natural and harmonised society where it was the "norm". But since those days of protocol are being challenged by open-sexuality, people in arranged marriage will always have identity issues and conflicts within themselves/spouses as to whether it is the greatest possible outcome or whether it is a poor income -- this is largely due to the fact that love marriages are simply more poetic and harmonic than a robotic fabricated concept of "arranging" two humans to love each other.

The only benefit to society that arranged marriage brings is that it offers ugly people, who are usually left out in the rat-race an opportunity and for that I see some sort of purpose.

[kucchnahi]

There have been for and against arguments in love marriages and arranged marriages. Both haven't been "tried and found to be lacking".
The problem with arranged though is that it is largely controlled by a collective ideal i.e. cultural needs, rather than a self-need. You say you know who you are, but you're limiting your own sense of exploration within the bounds of dogma.

Arranged marriage as a system would work well if it operated in a world where people are oblivious to other opportunities - i.e love marriages/pre-marital affairs -- this would bode well into a natural and harmonised society where it was the "norm". But since those days of protocol are being challenged by open-sexuality, people in arranged marriage will always have identity issues and conflicts within themselves/spouses as to whether it is the greatest possible outcome or whether it is a poor income -- this is largely due to the fact that love marriages are simply more poetic and harmonic than a robotic fabricated concept of "arranging" two humans to love each other.

The only benefit to society that arranged marriage brings is that it offers ugly people, who are usually left out in the rat-race an opportunity and for that I see some sort of purpose.

:lol: Count me in the ugly people then. :cool:

As for the rest of your comments, I will get to it later tomorrow morning as I have to also study for a test. But yes, rest assured I will get to it. But again, I have to emphasize that you and I have a different opinion not merely on the subject but an inherent bias against our own respective positions. So, it is highly doubtful that each of us can be convinced by the other; so, I do think we will have to agree to disagree anyway in the end. :)

[parkinlotpimp]

My own religiosity and values also factor into this; but the clever analogy you have adopted of this as "Chinese whispers" seems to put it into a negative light. But that said, I know where I stand, who I am. If I didn't, I wouldn't be where I am or who I am. Also, I like to think that I can learn from other people's mistakes; I don't believe in necessarily experimenting with a formula that has already been tried and found to be lacking. :)
and i quote "There are certain things in life where you know it's a mistake but you don't really know it's a mistake because the only way to know that it really is a mistake is to make that mistake and go, "Yup, that was a mistake". So really, the bigger mistake would be to not make the mistake because then you'll go about your whole life not knowing whether it was a mistake or not."

[Samad]

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[PrOfFaSeE]

who bumped this awesome thread?

[Samad]

who bumped this awesome thread?

Kisha...who got banned :neutral:

[kucchnahi]

There have been for and against arguments in love marriages and arranged marriages. Both haven't been "tried and found to be lacking".
The problem with arranged though is that it is largely controlled by a collective ideal i.e. cultural needs, rather than a self-need. You say you know who you are, but you're limiting your own sense of exploration within the bounds of dogma.

Arranged marriage as a system would work well if it operated in a world where people are oblivious to other opportunities - i.e love marriages/pre-marital affairs -- this would bode well into a natural and harmonised society where it was the "norm". But since those days of protocol are being challenged by open-sexuality, people in arranged marriage will always have identity issues and conflicts within themselves/spouses as to whether it is the greatest possible outcome or whether it is a poor income -- this is largely due to the fact that love marriages are simply more poetic and harmonic than a robotic fabricated concept of "arranging" two humans to love each other.

The only benefit to society that arranged marriage brings is that it offers ugly people, who are usually left out in the rat-race an opportunity and for that I see some sort of purpose.

I readily admit I'm limiting my sense of exploration, but it is done on purpose for a purpose. Arranged marriage, I think, still has the opportunity to work with desis abroad despite the obvious opportunities to explore one's sexuality and engage in premarital relationships. I don't believe I will have identity conflicts about either myself or my spouse because I know who I am and why I am choosing this. I'm not against love marriages; but I know that is not what I would ideally want unless it was a mix of both arranged and love (which is to say that I fell in love before marriage with the person my parents thought was a good match).

Oh, and like I had said before, I don't mind being counted as the "ugly duckling" losing the rat-race. :cool:

I think that was about it. But I think we'd already to a large degree discussed the import of what I have said and my response cannot be unexpected. And I doubt your response will come as a surprise either; that is because you and I differ on the principal points undergirding our thoughts and driving our actions. So, I think agree to disagree might well be the best form in our respective circumstances.

[RacingSoul]

Kisha got banned :rofl:

[kucchnahi]

and i quote "There are certain things in life where you know it's a mistake but you don't really know it's a mistake because the only way to know that it really is a mistake is to make that mistake and go, "Yup, that was a mistake". So really, the bigger mistake would be to not make the mistake because then you'll go about your whole life not knowing whether it was a mistake or not."

In my opinion, the bigger mistake is to think it is okay to make a mistake but not realizing it is a mistake when others have made the same mistake and engage in that mistake which should never have been committed in the first place as a result of taking lessons from those others' mistake and thinking that the bigger mistake not is to make the mistake anyway. :)

[kaisar2]

so no more posts in 'Post a clear pic of yourself' thread by kisha?

[kucchnahi]

so no more posts in 'Post a clear pic of yourself' thread kisha?

I think someone can still post in her thread if they wanted to, right? Not sure. :confused:

[kaisar2]

I think someone can still post in her thread if they wanted to, right? Not sure. :confused:lol, i was joking!!! So hows ArtMalik/

I can see echelon giving you hard time.

[kucchnahi]

lol, i was joking!!! So hows ArtMalik/

I can see echelon giving you hard time.

Lol, yeah Echelon is. But I can take him--lol. (Girl power! Yohoo! ;) )

And lol at the first question: Don't know how he's doing; I hope he's doing well though. For what's it worth, I am at least glad he is not obssessing over his ex-girlfriend because that seemed extremely painful and disheartening to watch, especially because one of my friends had committed suicide in my freshman year and I always felt that I could have done something to stop her but couldn't help her.

[kaisar2]

Lol, yeah Echelon is. But I can take him--lol. (Girl power! Yohoo! ;) )

And lol at the first question: Don't know how he's doing; I hope he's doing well though. For what's it worth, I am at least glad he is not obssessing over his ex-girlfriend because that seemed extremely painful and disheartening to watch, especially because one of my friends had committed suicide in my freshman year and I always felt that I could have done something to stop her but couldn't help her.i wish, he reads this post of yours


LMAO!!!

[kucchnahi]

i wish, he reads this post of yours


LMAO!!!

Lol. Why would he want to read it and how can he possibly benefit from it? :confused:

[PinkPowerRanger]

Kisha got banned :rofl:
why?

[Echelon]

I readily admit I'm limiting my sense of exploration, but it is done on purpose for a purpose. Arranged marriage, I think, still has the opportunity to work with desis abroad despite the obvious opportunities to explore one's sexuality and engage in premarital relationships. I don't believe I will have identity conflicts about either myself or my spouse because I know who I am and why I am choosing this. I'm not against love marriages; but I know that is not what I would ideally want unless it was a mix of both arranged and love (which is to say that I fell in love before marriage with the person my parents thought was a good match).

Oh, and like I had said before, I don't mind being counted as the "ugly duckling" losing the rat-race. :cool:

I think that was about it. But I think we'd already to a large degree discussed the import of what I have said and my response cannot be unexpected. And I doubt your response will come as a surprise either; that is because you and I differ on the principal points undergirding our thoughts and driving our actions. So, I think agree to disagree might well be the best form in our respective circumstances.

You've never outlined this "purpose" for your limitation and if you have its purely done because of religious/cultural dogma. So far that entire post is nothing more than a series of assertions and beliefs, but there is no logical reasoning behind your arguments. When you juxtapose arranged marriages and love marriages, the inherent difference is that love marriage places more precedence on the "self-needs" where as arranged marriage places more precedence on tradition/culture etc. Therefore self-determination is going to be a lost sensation with arranged marriage because you're going to follow a blue-print or a script for how your life should be lead which you're probably going to adhere to -- removing the "determining your own destiny idea". Identity and self-determination does have a collective nature which pertains to culture, but it is definitely more about the "deviations" away from culture and trying to find a level of "uniqueness" away from the crowd.

There are obviously going to be bad sides of love marriages because there is a increased level opportunity, hence creating a probability "failure". A lot of love marriages fail because they are founded on the concept of "self" and as a result are difficult to regulate when the needs of each individual differ. That said, culture has proved to be some kind regulator in maintaining a strict and adhesive bond by enforcing a very voyeuristic moderation system and employing a robotic protocol for courting. The greatest problem however, is that arranged marriage forgets to take into account that humans are prone to mistakes and any rigid attempt to regulate their behavior will only result in a numbing of emotion -- taking away the entire poetic element of love. In the end it's a question of whether you want to feel numb in order to feel safe and adhesive to a collective want, or whether you want to feel pleasure with the probability of pain. Ultimately it all boils down to whether one can regulate him/herself in a relationship. If you're weak and can't think for yourself and consider yourself to be unattractive, I'd probably advise you to get a pair of training wheels for your bike.

[Samad]

why?

ask saj!

[vgirl]

You've never outlined this "purpose" for your limitation and if you have its purely done because of religious/cultural dogma. So far that entire post is nothing more than a series of assertions and beliefs, but there is no logical reasoning behind your arguments. When you juxtapose arranged marriages and love marriages, the inherent difference is that love marriage places more precedence on the "self-needs" where as arranged marriage places more precedence on tradition/culture etc. Therefore self-determination is going to be a lost sensation with arranged marriage because you're going to follow a blue-print or a script for how your life should be lead which you're probably going to adhere to -- removing the "determining your own destiny idea". Identity and self-determination does have a collective nature which pertains to culture, but it is definitely more about the "deviations" away from culture and trying to find a level of "uniqueness" away from the crowd.

There are obviously going to be bad sides of love marriages because there is a increased level opportunity, hence creating a probability "failure". A lot of love marriages fail because they are founded on the concept of "self" and as a result are difficult to regulate when the needs of each individual differ. That said, culture has proved to be some kind regulator in maintaining a strict and adhesive bond by enforcing a very voyeuristic moderation system and employing a robotic protocol for courting. The greatest problem however, is that arranged marriage forgets to take into account that humans are prone to mistakes and any rigid attempt to regulate their behavior will only result in a numbing of emotion -- taking away the entire poetic element of love. In the end it's a question of whether you want to feel numb in order to feel safe and adhesive to a collective want, or whether you want to feel pleasure with the probability of pain. Ultimately it all boils down to whether one can regulate him/herself in a relationship. If you're weak and can't think for yourself and consider yourself to be unattractive, I'd probably advise you to get a pair of training wheels for your bike.
you both have such interesting views on this whole thing. however both of you are so set in your thoughts about the topic that it is perhaps better to agree to disagree.
but then again, no one ever shys away from an interesting debate.

i have to agree with both of you to a certain extent. both situations are acceptable to different people. i can see why kuchhnahi would want to be in an arranged marriage, and i can see what she finds special about it. i can also see the viewpoint of a person pro-love marriage, who values choice, and desires love prior to the institution of marriage. a lot of how we decide what is suited to us is based on our values/traditions/culture/religion etc etc. no one way is right.

also, the argument about men being creatures of desire etc is fair enough, but humans do have the ability to discriminate. whether they want to give in to their desire or not is one thing, most men will want to. whether they do is another. this is what is special about the human species, the ability to use the intellect, to discriminate between particular actions and not respond only to instinct.

i know that this is a mass summation of all the arguments, and probably makes little sense because i'm so behind, but hey, i wanted to be part of the party

[HeAvYmAcHiNeGuN]

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