Assuming the Kashmir issue is resolved...

[kawiboy]

Do you guys think Indians & Pakis would be at peace or would we find other reasons to go at each others throats :?:

[pakman]

it would be bad ass if we did get along but i doubt it would. maybe in like 100 years but i dont know becuase there are still people puting bad names about each country to the next generation and it goes on and on and on.. i dont know if im making sense.. but i wish we could make up.. like i rmr when i went to pakistan and i was like yeh my best friend is indian and weve been friends forever it was like they were soooooo shoct. i think maybe the more and more modern paki and india will get then the more and more maybe we will accept each other

-Irfan-

[sameer]

not unless pakistan switches to a secular government

[liquiddreamz]

It would ease some tnesions but not sure if it'll result in peace amongst the two countries....

[Gunslinger]

I think they'll never get along even if Kashmir issue is solved. Even IF India got Kashmir, India would never be happy with it and VICE VERSA. My personal philosophy about the issue is that provided the type of people that live in the subcontinent, they like to vote for a leader that likes to take Pangas. Didn't you guys notice that whenever the elections are right about the corner, something ALWAYS happens and then the leaders gain popularity. I think both of them are just using the other to show their own importance by acts like gathering troops over the borders, pulling off some stunt in Kashmir, while the ones that get hurt are only the ones that are the Rope in this Tug Of War. So I don't think it will bring the countries together. I think they need tensions between them to gain votes. I'll do this and that to Pakistan one says, the other replies bring it on AND people are *smiles* MY HERO and then these leaders get votes while No one cares about a leader that talks about compromise... Sad... I might be wrong but this is how I look at the world. It's all sorta pre-planned. I don't care whether the tensions are solved, what I care about is that Kashmiris in the disputed territory get to live a better life of peace and happiness after the resolution of this issue... I always pray for them... Ciao AH Peace

[kawiboy]

Definately seems like this generation is not ready yet and we'll probably have to pass the burden down to future generations :!:

I guess a day will dawn when both sides will look back and realize they've accomplished nothing except mutual destruction. Yeah, definately looks like this story will have to take a tragic detour which could be just the right catalyst to guide all towards peace. Isn't that the only way we desis ever learn? :(

[DoNKEY*oWNAGE]

Alright my incompetent desi counterpart... If the issue was that simple, wouldnt it be solved by now? The whole issue has to do with government trusts, company anti-trust, laws, and even if both Prime Minsiters create a treaty, the people is what counts, and an enmity will undubetbly (sp?) last for generations to come. India owns Kashmir, end of issue; are we all happy now?

[Gunslinger]

Donkey Ownage India doesn't own Kashmir. I am a Kashmiri. Kashmiris own Kashmir. Not Pakistan not India, got it ? I think you did Ciao peace BTW I Own you too

[Sweet_LiL_Hunnie]

lol you own him?


I really don't think things will change even if kashmir was on it's own. Both countries don't have enough people THAT WANT TO GET ALONG so there will never be peace until more of the pakis and indians are better educated and taught how to live side by side without any problems. even the muslims and hindus and sikhs all have problems within india you know? like india itself isn't at peace as well as parts of pakistan. i don't think that they will ever learn how to accept people for who they are instead of who they pray to or where they are from you know? it's been going on too long and sad to say there wont be another ghandi and even if he was still here it wouldn't make a huge difference. these countries will never have peace.

[methodman535]

Kashmir is 93% muslim but isnt gujrat something like 50% muslim? That would become the next hotspot. Anyways India would love to swallow or split pakistan one day anyway. RAW hasnt managed to infiltrate kashmir very well but they have a lot of agent saboteurs in karachi among the indian immigrants descendents there.The NWFP and Balochistan sort of belong to Afghanistan in a historic, linguistic, ethnic sense anyway. The only reason punjab and sindh are part of pakistan is because the hindus wanted to create a state to dump some muslims so that this "democracy" in india could be more easily hindu dominated and so that the indian armed forces could be 95% muslim free.

[ZzoO]

the india tour of pakistan is going well... meaning the pakistanis were applauding the indians when they won... not throwing things like they used too... the zee awards were collective as well... every award presenter pair was 1 paki 1 indian.... umar sharif did a bit during the awards.... some of the stuff is getting better..... lets see if it continues... i see this thread turning into a whole fight again.....

desis have too much pride they have to suck it up and move on... and STOP insulting everyone even if they are WRONG.. it wont get anywhere... how about a clean debate?..... without the insults.... you see it everywhere... insults insults.. and i bet someone will insult me.... so if you do after you read this.. kindly go fuk yourself.... 8)

[adren@line]

I dont think India will give up Kashmir.

It would be a very big blow to the BJP's ego and the underlying principles of the current Gov (which is based on Hindutva).

[Gongha]

Kashmir is 93% muslim but isnt gujrat something like 50% muslim? That would become the next hotspot. Anyways India would love to swallow or split pakistan one day anyway. RAW hasnt managed to infiltrate kashmir very well but they have a lot of agent saboteurs in karachi among the indian immigrants descendents there.The NWFP and Balochistan sort of belong to Afghanistan in a historic, linguistic, ethnic sense anyway. The only reason punjab and sindh are part of pakistan is because the hindus wanted to create a state to dump some muslims so that this "democracy" in india could be more easily hindu dominated and so that the indian armed forces could be 95% muslim free.

Get your fact corrects. Jammu and Kashmir is 63% muslim (Jammu has an indian majority). It was Jinnah who wanted pakistan, and amongst the Indian population, it was only muslims from UP who clamoured for two nation theory. NWF area was satisfied with one nation, so was Sindh, but UP muslims didn't want to be ruled by Hindus. So they got Pkistan, and Urdu as its national language. Gunslinger...speak for yourself. I grew up in Jammu, and I say Jammu and kashmir belongs to India.

[methodman535]

Kashmir is 93% muslim but isnt gujrat something like 50% muslim? That would become the next hotspot. Anyways India would love to swallow or split pakistan one day anyway. RAW hasnt managed to infiltrate kashmir very well but they have a lot of agent saboteurs in karachi among the indian immigrants descendents there.The NWFP and Balochistan sort of belong to Afghanistan in a historic, linguistic, ethnic sense anyway. The only reason punjab and sindh are part of pakistan is because the hindus wanted to create a state to dump some muslims so that this "democracy" in india could be more easily hindu dominated and so that the indian armed forces could be 95% muslim free.

Get your fact corrects. Jammu and Kashmir is 63% muslim (Jammu has an indian majority). It was Jinnah who wanted pakistan, and amongst the Indian population, it was only muslims from UP who clamoured for two nation theory. NWF area was satisfied with one nation, so was Sindh, but UP muslims didn't want to be ruled by Hindus. So they got Pkistan, and Urdu as its national language. Gunslinger...speak for yourself. I grew up in Jammu, and I say Jammu and kashmir belongs to India.


There are some revisionists that say Jinnah was just a tool to accomplish what the hindu majority saw as essential towards the creation of a hindu dominated secular democracy. UP muslims wanted a separate state but plenty of people in current day pakistan did as well, it was 70%+ muslim at the time at LEAST if Im not mistaken. And NWFP in favor of being part of india? I doubt that. Half of all pathans live in NWFP and the other half in Afghanistan. The only reason they are split this way is because of the british who deliberately drew the durand line smack through the pashtun homeland. Afghanistan still claims the NWFP today and many pathans actually want a country called pashtunistan which consists of the pashtun majority areas of afghanistan combined with NWFP and Balochistan.

[Gongha]

My father grew up in Lyalpur (Faislabad), and he mentioned that there was no major clamouring for a separate nation amongst the muslim population there as they did not fear the hindu minority. However, the muslims in UP felt quite the opposite. Similarly division of the country as it is today was never a demand of the NWF people. There are always some minority who see a selfish political gain, as there is today among the sikhs, but it was never the majority. Ideally the country could have been divided into states with decentralized power (like switzerland), and the unified nation would have worked just fine.

[nestlecrunch]

Sameer wrote:
not unless pakistan switches to a secular government

agreed.

[Cunard]

lol you own him?


I really don't think things will change even if kashmir was on it's own. Both countries don't have enough people THAT WANT TO GET ALONG so there will never be peace until more of the pakis and indians are better educated and taught how to live side by side without any problems. even the muslims and hindus and sikhs all have problems within india you know? like india itself isn't at peace as well as parts of pakistan. i don't think that they will ever learn how to accept people for who they are instead of who they pray to or where they are from you know? it's been going on too long and sad to say there wont be another ghandi and even if he was still here it wouldn't make a huge difference. these countries will never have peace.

sad but probably right :(

[hollisterdesi]

not unless pakistan switches to a secular government

That sort of defeats the purpose of having a "Pakistan" altogether...it would be easier to have a united Indiaan subcontinent since the 2 would be secular....but yeah, it aint gonna work now....no sir.....

[Hindu_Nutcase]

I don't think there would be peace. The very premise that Pakistan was built upon is "we cannot live side by side with them". Therefore the idea behind Pakistan isn't conducive to peace.

For example - if all is well and good and peaceful in India - including with India's Muslim population, then the very creation of Pakistan will seem dumb to its own population. A future generation will think "damn, wouldn't we have been better of with India". Pakistan is well aware of that therefore has to keep on trying to ensure that India is bogged down in conflict and looks bad - that strengthens Pakistan's legitimacy. Also, the way to stave of dissent in Pakistan amongst the radical Muslims (eg. for Pakistan's aid to the USA), which has been quite serious at times, has traditionally been to deflect Pakistani anger by kicking up a ruckus with India.

[rreal]

dont believe theres any need to join hands with pakistan, even if kashmir issue is resolved....majority of pakistani muslims are extremist and would be a bad influence on indian secularist muslims..resulting more violance...beside pakistan is certainly next on us terrorist hitlist...the only muslim nation possesing nuclear weapons and americans would do anything to exploit the conflict between shiite and sunni in pak..actually it already started

[Cunard]

dont believe theres any need to join hands with pakistan, even if kashmir issue is resolved....majority of pakistani muslims are extremist and would be a bad influence on indian secularist muslims..resulting more violance...beside pakistan is certainly next on us terrorist hitlist...the only muslim nation possesing nuclear weapons and americans would do anything to exploit the conflict between shiite and sunni in pak..actually it already started


i would think Pakistan is far from the hit list since a major war in Pakistan would damage the security of the indian economy while also greatly damaging the chinese new markets since Pakistan is the one of the biggers shoppers for chinese military hardware and uses chinese tech to build industries in Pakistan.

a war in pakistan would hurt india and china...if china and india hurt, the rest of aisa hurts.......with asia hurting, the US will hurt.

[nestlecrunch]

What rights do Paki-Muslims have that Indian-Muslims don't~? From what I understand, Indian Muslims live better quality lives than most Pakis and their land isn't infested with terror hubs like Pakistan. That's what I don't get. Kashmir was never terrorized in the name of secularism, it's all from the Paki side who simply hate India and secularism. India has done nothing wrong to Kashmiris to want to seperate. While the Indian army is there to protect and defend our citizens and land, Pakistan's army is standing by LoC for no apparent reason but to protect it's manlihood from India crossing the line to knock out their follow terrorist. Talks with Pakistan is irrelevant to anyone's needs except terrorist and Pakistan's poor economy. India's making a huge mistake negociating with these pigs which is only influencing mindless extremism like beheading women and jihad with no moral reasoning behind it.
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[hollisterdesi]

Dude yeah....I went to a site and it had a census of all terrorists killed in Kashmir...most of them were Pakistani and a lot were Afghani....none were Kashmiri.....

[rreal]

i would think Pakistan is far from the hit list since a major war in Pakistan would damage the security of the indian economy while also greatly damaging the chinese new markets since Pakistan is the one of the biggers shoppers for chinese military hardware and uses chinese tech to build industries in Pakistan.


a war in pakistan would hurt india and china...if china and india hurt, the rest of aisa hurts.......with asia hurting, the US will hurt.

Pakistan is major ally of america, so pretty obvious america aint gonna risk it just yet…..therefore any major war is out of question…..but still believe pakistan is on the verge of civil war, recent clashes between Shiite and Sunni communities were no coincidence…plus growing disapproval and anger of hard-line clerics toward the government’s policies made pakistan more vulnerable to terror strike.how long can pak government approve of american strategies when its denounced by majority citizens...and as far us economy is concerned they wont mind compromising when it comes down to nuclear weapon

[hollisterdesi]

i would think Pakistan is far from the hit list since a major war in Pakistan would damage the security of the indian economy while also greatly damaging the chinese new markets since Pakistan is the one of the biggers shoppers for chinese military hardware and uses chinese tech to build industries in Pakistan.


a war in pakistan would hurt india and china...if china and india hurt, the rest of aisa hurts.......with asia hurting, the US will hurt.

Pakistan is major ally of america, so pretty obvious america aint gonna risk it just yet…..therefore any major war is out of question…..but still believe pakistan is on the verge of civil war, recent clashes between Shiite and Sunni communities were no coincidence…plus growing disapproval and anger of hard-line clerics toward the government’s policies made pakistan more vulnerable to terror strike.how long can pak government approve of american strategies when its denounced by majority citizens...and as far us economy is concerned they wont mind compromising when it comes down to nuclear weapon

Yep...the 1947 was REAL effective....no wonder South Asians are so good at math, its just one division after another.