From Muslim Point of View

[sky_]

OK A lot Of Muslim On here Date..

A few years back I started or tried to become
a Better Muslim,,
Stopped doing a lot of things
Still Noway near yet as being a good Muslim
but i dont wanna be Hardcore Muslim Either

anyway..
Talking about dating and stuff
i was talking to a friend who is dating, ( him and his GF are Muslim )
both very nice people...
but i was saying to him Dating in Islam is Forbidden
and that liking some is not but the actually dating is a sin
even if you Marry them on the end of the day the whole dating is a sin..

a lot of Muslim i know try to remould islam when they get caught up in this
situation and make excuses up to make them feel better
but the bottom line is,, Its a SIN

what do you guys on here that are Muslim and Dating think of this?

:sarb:

[selina_786]

I agree it's a sin... but the thing is there are so many other bad thing's that we do day 2 day which are also sin's...

[sky_]

I agree it's a sin... but the thing is there are so many other bad thing's that we do day 2 day which are also sin's...


Thats is True there are many other things
But I wanna Just pick on This Topic Thats all

[selina_786]

Thats is True there are many other things
But I wanna Just pick on This Topic Thats all

Ok kewl.. sorry....

Well yes it is a sin... but theres so many ppl out there who arnt very religious... ppl jus dnt want to leave till after marriage 2 find out he/she is not a good person... no1 wants 2 take these chances nowadays..

[sky_]

Ok kewl.. sorry....

Well yes it is a sin... but theres so many ppl out there who arnt very religious... ppl jus dnt want to leave till after marriage 2 find out he/she is not a good person... no1 wants 2 take these chances nowadays..


I totally agree with everything you sayyyyyyy
as i been down that road

but it is a sin
just waana know peoples different views its interesting

[selina_786]

I totally agree with everything you sayyyyyyy
as i been down that road

but it is a sin
just waana know peoples different views its interesting

Yup i do too.. lets jus hope ppl reply...

[lil_tuntuni]

Yes, it is a sin if they go out doing unIslamic things such as holding hands, kissing,etc. Like you said, it's alright to like a person but stay within the Islamic norms until they are both married. Most Muslims nowerdays really don't hold these values , and they date various people. It's alright to get to know people, but one must learn to stay within their limits. I don't want to be a hypocrite though, because I have made mistakes as well..but I learned from them...and trying to be a better Muslim as well...It's just I don't understand why many can't save all the love and feelings until they get married, it holds so much more value then too, and also the blessings of others will be upon them..which i think will make them a happier couple. Also, that way one doesn't misues their feelings and love...Whereas them just hiding from society and dating is really not getting them anywhere...

[sky_]

Yup i do too.. lets jus hope ppl reply...

The Thing is Most people in this situation wont eply
cos they wome know how to answer this
without admitting there in the wrong

well thats what i think

[sky_]

Yes, it is a sin if they go out doing unIslamic things such as holding hands, kissing,etc. Like you said, it's alright to like a person but stay within the Islamic norms until they are both married. Most Muslims nowerdays really don't hold these values , and they date various people. It's alright to get to knoq people, but one must learn to stay within limits. I don't want to be a hypocrite though, because I have made mistakes as well..but I learned from them...and trying to be a better Muslim as well...


Yes that is sooooooooo true
I have also datted in the past
thats why i dont wanna judge people
just interested to know what they think

[ilikecheese]

its wrong PERIOD
its just part of culture i guess. in the States people do it, so they do it. in other places its not as popular as it is here

[MR2Turbo]

dating rules, im not getting an arranged marriage like some sucka.
is it wrong? yeah, but i'll still do it.

[sky_]

its wrong PERIOD
its just part of culture i guess. in the States people do it, so they do it. in other places its not as popular as it is here

its not just states... its like that here in the UK
and everywhere else.....

I'm just interested in people who makes excuses to make themselves
feel better about it and justify it to other people

like my friend always goes on about how he is going to marry this girl and
stuff...
but i keep saying to him until you get married its wrong.

[bill]

OK A lot Of Muslim On here Date..

A few years back I started or tried to become
a Better Muslim,,
Stopped doing a lot of things
Still Noway near yet as being a good Muslim
but i dont wanna be Hardcore Muslim Either

anyway..
Talking about dating and stuff
i was talking to a friend who is dating, ( him and his GF are Muslim )
both very nice people...
but i was saying to him Dating in Islam is Forbidden
and that liking some is not but the actually dating is a sin
even if you Marry them on the end of the day the whole dating is a sin..

a lot of Muslim i know try to remould islam when they get caught up in this
situation and make excuses up to make them feel better
but the bottom line is,, Its a SIN

what do you guys on here that are Muslim and Dating think of this?

:sarb:

Yup, any unlawful contact between a male and a female is a sin.

[ilikecheese]

its not just states... its like that here in the UK
and everywhere else.....

I'm just interested in people who makes excuses to make themselves
feel better about it and justify it to other people

like my friend always goes on about how he is going to marry this girl and
stuff...
but i keep saying to him until you get married its wrong.
it really is but then again.. almost 80% of the muslims around the world rnt really following islam by the book. they all find little things here and there that they dont like and make excuses for. "ooh its not really haram since its not pork" "its not like he's putting his cock 'inside', its wrapped in plastic, so its just plastic thats inside" etc etc etc

[MR2Turbo]

its not just states... its like that here in the UK
and everywhere else.....

I'm just interested in people who makes excuses to make themselves
feel better about it and justify it to other people

like my friend always goes on about how he is going to marry this girl and
stuff...
but i keep saying to him until you get married its wrong.
yeah ok, im real sure that this will be the one and only reason i'll go to hell.

People will go to hell that really deserve it. a guy that dates doesnt seem all that dangeous to me. God forgives pretty much anything.

Hitler and Stalin deserve hell, Ahmed Nur doesnt really for going out with a chick.

There are varying degrees of sins. This isnt exactly in the upper echelons of sindom.

[Lust Buster]

It's a sin. Dating is pointless, and everyone knows it. People do it because they're weak, and after breaking up hurts them emotionally, they only become weaker.

[bill]

yeah ok, im real sure that this will be the one and only reason i'll go to hell.

People will go to hell that really deserve it. a guy that dates doesnt seem all that dangeous to me. God forgives pretty much anything.

Hitler and Stalin deserve hell, Ahmed Nur doesnt really for going out with a chick.

There are varying degrees of sins. This isnt exactly in the upper echelons of sindom.

I don't think Allah's willingness to forgive is the discussion; what he's saying is that it's a sin and he's right.

[MR2Turbo]

The power of the P>U>S>S>Y makes all them *****s go get fly.

[sky_]

yeah ok, im real sure that this will be the one and only reason i'll go to hell.

People will go to hell that really deserve it. a guy that dates doesnt seem all that dangeous to me. God forgives pretty much anything.

Hitler and Stalin deserve hell, Ahmed Nur doesnt really for going out with a chick.

There are varying degrees of sins. This isnt exactly in the upper echelons of sindom.


Your right
there are far greater sins,,,,,
e.g killing and god know what

but most of us will not do them
but most of us have dated
is the one thing we all have in common
and we can all relate to it
that's why I'm asking this

Im not expecting the answers to be life changing just interesting

[lil_tuntuni]

yeah ok, im real sure that this will be the one and only reason i'll go to hell.

People will go to hell that really deserve it. a guy that dates doesnt seem all that dangeous to me. God forgives pretty much anything.

Hitler and Stalin deserve hell, Ahmed Nur doesnt really for going out with a chick.

There are varying degrees of sins. This isnt exactly in the upper echelons of sindom.

Doesn't matter if its a high sin or not soo bad of a sin..a sin is a sin...There's no respect in the relationship or blessings if you are just dating...like lust buster mentioned..peopledate because they are weak...SO many mistakes are made, and most of the time people just get hurt. heres some Islamic evidence on why we shouldn't date...

Umar related that the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said, "Not one of you should meet a woman alone unless she is accompanied by a relative (mahram)" (Bukhari/Muslim). The Prophet (peace be upon him) also reportedly said, "Whenever a man is alone with a woman, Satan (Shaytan) is the third among them" (Tirmidhi). When young people are getting to know each other, being alone together is a temptation toward wrongdoing. At all times, Muslims should follow the commands of the Qur'an (24:30-31) to "lower their gaze and guard their modesty...." Islam recognizes that we are human and are given to human weakness, so this rule provides safeguards for our own sake.

[sky_]

Doesn't matter if its a high sin or not soo bad of a sin..a sin is a sin...There's no respect in the relationship or blessings if you are just dating...like lust buster mentioned..peopledate because they are weak...SO many mistakes are made, and most of the time people just get hurt. heres some Islamic evidence on why we shouldn't date...

Umar related that the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said, "Not one of you should meet a woman alone unless she is accompanied by a relative (mahram)" (Bukhari/Muslim). The Prophet (peace be upon him) also reportedly said, "Whenever a man is alone with a woman, Satan (Shaytan) is the third among them" (Tirmidhi). When young people are getting to know each other, being alone together is a temptation toward wrongdoing. At all times, Muslims should follow the commands of the Qur'an (24:30-31) to "lower their gaze and guard their modesty...." Islam recognizes that we are human and are given to human weakness, so this rule provides safeguards for our own sake.


Ive Read That tooooo
Yeah its very Interesing

Once again people just wanna make it clear
I aint no saint myself
and I dont wanna come across as if i am cos IM NOT
iv done loads of shit that i shudnt have in the past
and Im lon way to becoming a good Muslim yet

just wanted to make that clear

[lil_tuntuni]

Ive Read That tooooo
Yeah its very Interesing

Once again people just wanna make it clear
I aint no saint myself
and I dont wanna come across as if i am cos IM NOT
iv done loads of shit that i shudnt have in the past
and Im lon way to becoming a good Muslim yet

just wanted to make that clear

That's the best thing we can do; Realize our mistakes and ask for forgiveness and try our best to get on the right path. I continue making mistakes...and we have to remember event the most saint men are sinning as well... we all are.. so we all should be asking for forgivness at alll times....so yeah props :) atleast u are trying...many know that they are doing something bad, but still go ahead and do it so yeah..

[MR2Turbo]

I'll still be tapping that ass, so I dont give a fuck about your opinions.

[selina_786]

I'll still be tapping that ass, so I dont give a fuck about your opinions.
Didn't you have a prob with Bi's?

[adren@line]

the amount of Muslim threads has quadrupled over the last 1-2 months.

[selina_786]

the amount of Muslim threads has quadrupled over the last 1-2 months.

U should be happy... as u are very much dedicated 2 correcting muslim's :giggle:

[adren@line]

U should be happy... as u are very much dedicated 2 correcting muslim's :giggle:
to tell you the truth, im getting kind of bored of arguing with Muslims.

[selina_786]

to tell you the truth, im getting kind of bored of arguing with Muslims.

How many yrs have u been arguin for?

[ZzoO]

the amount of Muslim threads has quadrupled over the last 1-2 months.


more pun for u

[adren@line]

How many yrs have u been arguin for?

1 - 1 1/2 years.

[selina_786]

more pun for u


:no:

[ZzoO]

to tell you the truth, im getting kind of bored of arguing with Muslims.



how much can u agrue the same point??.. it has to get old sometime

[selina_786]

1 - 1 1/2 years.
Are you going on a strike now? or just requesting peace?

[adren@line]

more pun for u

naa.

im getting bored of it actually.

[adren@line]

Are you going on a strike now? or just requesting peace?
neither.

[selina_786]

neither.

make a thread that ur quiting then....

[adren@line]

make a thread that ur quiting then....
im not.

[UnbornLilGurl]

This should be of some help.

http://forums.ratedesi.com/showthread.php?t=107784

And I've never dated.

[selina_786]

im not.

Y not... im sure ppl will miss u for ur hard efforts :no:

[ShivaChrist]

OK A lot Of Muslim On here Date..

A few years back I started or tried to become
a Better Muslim,,
Stopped doing a lot of things
Still Noway near yet as being a good Muslim
but i dont wanna be Hardcore Muslim Either

anyway..
Talking about dating and stuff
i was talking to a friend who is dating, ( him and his GF are Muslim )
both very nice people...
but i was saying to him Dating in Islam is Forbidden
and that liking some is not but the actually dating is a sin
even if you Marry them on the end of the day the whole dating is a sin..

a lot of Muslim i know try to remould islam when they get caught up in this
situation and make excuses up to make them feel better
but the bottom line is,, Its a SIN

what do you guys on here that are Muslim and Dating think of this?

:sarb:

Islam should have been updated a while ago. Too many innocent people get hurt over something that was considered sin 1400 years ago by ancient men living in a different time.

[selina_786]

Islam should have been updated a while ago. Too many innocent people get hurt over something that was considered sin 1400 years ago by ancient men living in a different time.

Religion should be updated with todays society?

[ShivaChrist]

Religion should be updated with todays society?

Yes.

[selina_786]

Yes.
And y would u say that? Have u read Islam fully... the Quran?


Oh and whilst ur answering them questions.. you might have the answer for another one....


Who should update Islam?

[selina_786]

I dnt get it .. since when has society become a bigger priority ova religion....I guess each to der own opinion...


Dammit.. no1 eva answers my questions... are they that hard :tears:

[ShivaChrist]

I dnt get it .. since when has society become a bigger priority ova religion....I guess each to der own opinion...

Sorry, I'm really tired so I'm about to go to sleep... I just was looking over a few more posts... um, everyone thinks about things differently and I guess you can say from my point-of-view, religion (at least the texts) were all written by men, not God. This includes Christianity, Hinduism, etc. so I'm not singling any one religion out. However, while the others have adapted to the current century, Islam has not because they continue to stick with the exact same thing that was created (by men) in and around 600 AD. As you can imagine 600 AD is a very different and more violent time... you think the violence today is bad, be thankful you didn't live back then. Anyway, back then the men who came up with Islam came up with a ton of they decided were sins and Muslims have had to suffer since then.

That's my take on it, and I don't mean to offend you though I usually end up doing just that. I'm not debating or arguing God, I believe everyone prays to Him in a different manner and I think that's perfectly fine. I just feel that its unfair to call people sinners who aren't going to get to Heaven because they date or eat pork or break a fast, etc.

If I offended you, I really do apologize, Selina. This boy needs some serious sleep now lol

[selina_786]

Sorry, I'm really tired so I'm about to go to sleep... I just was looking over a few more posts... um, everyone thinks about things differently and I guess you can say from my point-of-view, religion (at least the texts) were all written by men, not God. This includes Christianity, Hinduism, etc. so I'm not singling any one religion out. However, while the others have adapted to the current century, Islam has not because they continue to stick with the exact same thing that was created (by men) in and around 600 AD. As you can imagine 600 AD is a very different and more violent time... you think the violence today is bad, be thankful you didn't live back then. Anyway, back then the men who came up with Islam came up with a ton of they decided were sins and Muslims have had to suffer since then.

That's my take on it, and I don't mean to offend you though I usually end up doing just that. I'm not debating or arguing God, I believe everyone prays to Him in a different manner and I think that's perfectly fine. I just feel that its unfair to call people sinners who aren't going to get to Heaven because they date or eat pork or break a fast, etc.

If I offended you, I really do apologize, Selina. This boy needs some serious sleep now lol


Ok no probz.. sweet dreams :)

[sky_]

Islam should have been updated a while ago. Too many innocent people get hurt over something that was considered sin 1400 years ago by ancient men living in a different time.

good point
if they should ever do that
It should be done Collectively from Muslim Around the World

and not by and tom, dick and harry

But Muslim Are scarred to change the word of Allah
but that's another topic

[selina_786]

good point
if they should ever do that
It should be done Collectively from Muslim Around the World

and not by and tom, dick and harry

But Muslim Are scarred to change the word of Allah
but that's another topic

lovvin ur sig... it lookz :cool:

[Hans Blix]

OK A lot Of Muslim On here Date..

A few years back I started or tried to become
a Better Muslim,,
Stopped doing a lot of things
Still Noway near yet as being a good Muslim
but i dont wanna be Hardcore Muslim Either

anyway..
Talking about dating and stuff
i was talking to a friend who is dating, ( him and his GF are Muslim )
both very nice people...
but i was saying to him Dating in Islam is Forbidden
and that liking some is not but the actually dating is a sin
even if you Marry them on the end of the day the whole dating is a sin..

a lot of Muslim i know try to remould islam when they get caught up in this
situation and make excuses up to make them feel better
but the bottom line is,, Its a SIN

what do you guys on here that are Muslim and Dating think of this?

:sarb:

From my understanding any physical contact between a male and female is haram.

This contact only applies if it is permissible for the two persons to marry i.e.

Brother and sister hugging etc is allowed as it is haram for them to marry
A non related or distant relative are not, as under Islam they are allowed to marry.

Please correct me if im wrong

[sky_]

From my understanding any physical contact between a male and female is haram.

This contact only applies if it is permissible for the two persons to marry i.e.

Brother and sister hugging etc is allowed as it is haram for them to marry
A non related or distant relative are not, as under Islam they are allowed to marry.

Please correct me if im wrong

Your right
but at the same time im not here to correct people
on there views
its an interesting topic i thought

:D

[spice_of_life]

i am biggest sinner ever! :(

[Hans Blix]

i am biggest sinner ever! :(

Is that because who have started wearing a shirt?

[sky_]

i am biggest sinner ever! :(

shaz ur a real kanjar

:D

[spice_of_life]

Is that because who have started wearing a shirt?

ur stupid! how cud i be a sinner if i started wearing a shirt? it shud be the opposite!

[spice_of_life]

shaz ur a real kanjar

:D

um wats kanjar? dagger?

hm btw nice to meet ya its been long since i saw u last.

[nyczpakiprince]

to tell u the truth

i know that itz sinful to do it

but most of us r still gonna do it..........even though i tend to follow mah religion, itz pointz like these where i sometimez strayyy from whatz right, and i can't help mah self

i pray 5 timez a day (normally), read quran, i fast, i do most of mah stuff

idk, if i fill up mah sin recordz by goin out wit a chick therez a hell loada wayz i can make up for it LoL :p

[Lust Buster]

if i fill up mah sin recordz by goin out wit a chick therez a hell loada wayz i can make up for it LoL :pI wouldn't count on that.

[nyczpakiprince]

I wouldn't count on that.

just pray, read quran and do ur usual stuff and it'll just be a matter of time that ur forgiven lollll :p

[sky_]

to tell u the truth

i know that itz sinful to do it

but most of us r still gonna do it..........even though i tend to follow mah religion, itz pointz like these where i sometimez strayyy from whatz right, and i can't help mah self

i pray 5 timez a day (normally), read quran, i fast, i do most of mah stuff

idk, if i fill up mah sin recordz by goin out wit a chick therez a hell loada wayz i can make up for it LoL :p

Thats a fuked up way of looking at it
them kind os sins dont get foegiven if you think by doing good deeds later
you will get forgiven


thats Mangaytar Talk

[Lust Buster]

just pray, read quran and do ur usual stuff and it'll just be a matter of time that ur forgiven lollll :pI'm not saying that you're wrong, but I find it WAY to risky. Allah could see you as a hypocrit, and those guys go to Hell. I choose to play it safe.

[nyczpakiprince]

I'm not saying that you're wrong, but I find it WAY to risky. Allah could see you as a hypocrit, and those guys go to Hell. I choose to play it safe.

good point :Oops:

idk whateva i do ima try to do it rite.......:Pray:

[selina_786]

Thats a fuked up way of looking at it
them kind os sins dont get foegiven if you think by doing good deeds later
you will get forgiven


thats Mangaytar Talk


:roflbow:

[nyczpakiprince]

Thats a fuked up way of looking at it
them kind os sins dont get foegiven if you think by doing good deeds later
you will get forgiven


thats Mangaytar Talk

true :lol:

[pimpkidman828]

true :lol:
lol u funni dawg

[Fallen-Angel]

OK A lot Of Muslim On here Date..

A few years back I started or tried to become
a Better Muslim,,
Stopped doing a lot of things
Still Noway near yet as being a good Muslim
but i dont wanna be Hardcore Muslim Either

anyway..
Talking about dating and stuff
i was talking to a friend who is dating, ( him and his GF are Muslim )
both very nice people...
but i was saying to him Dating in Islam is Forbidden
and that liking some is not but the actually dating is a sin
even if you Marry them on the end of the day the whole dating is a sin..

a lot of Muslim i know try to remould islam when they get caught up in this
situation and make excuses up to make them feel better
but the bottom line is,, Its a SIN

what do you guys on here that are Muslim and Dating think of this?

:sarb:

yeh your right it is a sin and i get so fed up with fellow muslims who try justify it in a wierd way, cos its like you know its a sin so why kid yourself and be in denial about it.
i used to date and all the time in the back of my mind i knew that what i was doing was wrong and but i never tired to justify it and make it seem all better if someone said to me "hey you know thats a sin" then id admit it.
but at the end of the day someone might be dating and thats it whislt someone else might not be dating but my drink and do drugs
each to their own.

[Z4K5T4R]

ShivaChrist - If Islam was *updated* as you say then would there be any meaning to the Quran? The whole point of Islam is that it's perfected - it predicts the future and it holds alot of information. When Islam was first introduced to people it was difficult for one to follow the religion straight away however as time went people learnt to accept it and realised it is the religion that guides people to the right path. You cannot change the religion as generations go by.

The Bible changed and was written by man itself - I have absolutely no interest in reading the New Testament because I know it is not the word of God. It was interpretted by man itself - so what is the real meaning for it?

[pimpkidman828]

ShivaChrist - If Islam was *updated* as you say then would there be any meaning to the Quran? The whole point of Islam is that it's perfected - it predicts the future and it holds alot of information. When Islam was first introduced to people it was difficult for one to follow the religion straight away however as time went people learnt to accept it and realised it is the religion that guides people to the right path. You cannot change the religion as generations go by.

The Bible changed and was written by man itself - I have absolutely no interest in reading the New Testament because I know it is not the word of God. It was interpretted by man itself - so what is the real meaning for it?
thank u

[FatGeezer]

ShivaChrist - If Islam was *updated* as you say then would there be any meaning to the Quran? The whole point of Islam is that it's perfected - it predicts the future and it holds alot of information. When Islam was first introduced to people it was difficult for one to follow the religion straight away however as time went people learnt to accept it and realised it is the religion that guides people to the right path. You cannot change the religion as generations go by.

The Bible changed and was written by man itself - I have absolutely no interest in reading the New Testament because I know it is not the word of God. It was interpretted by man itself - so what is the real meaning for it?

forget even trying to talk sense to shiva jibba
its like talking to a brick wall.

Most *christians* dont even know that the bible was written hundreds of years after jesus's death by various people. The world bible originates form the latin word for "library". It is a "library" of recollections from various people. And furthermore theres talk of the fifth scripture written by mary magdalene hidden by the church in order to retain the image of jesus that they beleive in.

They dont even know facts about their prophet themselves and what position are they to tell you what religion is?

[limpfaraz]

ShivaChrist - If Islam was *updated* as you say then would there be any meaning to the Quran? The whole point of Islam is that it's perfected - it predicts the future and it holds alot of information. When Islam was first introduced to people it was difficult for one to follow the religion straight away however as time went people learnt to accept it and realised it is the religion that guides people to the right path. You cannot change the religion as generations go by.

The Bible changed and was written by man itself - I have absolutely no interest in reading the New Testament because I know it is not the word of God. It was interpretted by man itself - so what is the real meaning for it?

i want to add to this...Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) was illiterate (didn't know how to read or write)..the Quran was revelaed to him by the Angel Gabriel over a period of 20/23 years (please correct me in the number of years if i'm worng)
The process of revelation started when the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) was 40 years old. After each revelation, the Prophet would recite what was revealed and those who could write would take down what he recited. To check what they had written was correct, he would ask one of them to read what was writtent (a segregation of duty type process was followed) and corrections would be made if what was written was wrong...

In the Quran, Allah mentions that he will protect this revelation and not let it be manipulated by men as the Torah and Bible were. Islam cannot be updated with current society cuz Islam in itself is a way of life. You either follow it or u don't. What has to change is the way muslims approach their religion. We need to study it deeper to understand its meaning rather than just blindly follow it. I also think that today people are asking Muslims to change their perspective rather than look at things from a Muslim's perspective.

just end with saying that don't judge a car by its driver..most muslims are not practising Islam the way it is supposed..those born into muslim families will also go to hell if they don't follow Islam in its entirety and Allah forgives whoever He wills..which means that even Non-Muslims could enter Paradise

[Z4K5T4R]

Going back to the original topic *i keep getting disconnected* You are correct dating is the biggest sin ever. But it is soo difficult to overcome that, and i have so much respect for those who are strong enough to not fall into that trap.

In this society, this generation it is accepted. Muslims don't think twice before they start dating because it seems so natural.

It is the biggest regret of my life to have even gone out with a guy and that regret will always be on my shoulder. I went without dating for nearly 2 years and somehow along the line i just needed to be loved by someone (besides family) Sometimes you feel lonely and when someone comes along that seems near to perfection it's so difficult to restrain yourself unless you are very strong.

Anyways, inshallah Allah guides me through the right path from now on and forgives me for the sins I've committed.

[Z4K5T4R]

limpfaraz - That's the most amazing fact about Islam that our own Prophet couldn't read and write however the fact that he managed to do overcome all this is beyond my imagination.

I read about how Angel Jibril forced him to read and he knew he couldn't read and Angel Jibril wouldn't give up til he was able to read the first part of what was given to him.

[Z4K5T4R]

FatGeezer - I went to a Christian school. And this is no lie - truth is none knew ANYTHING about Christianity. Yes so we had Father Robert coming in every Wednesday but no one ever bothered to listen to him. When Christmas came all they knew it how Jesus was born that day and it's a day to give presents to one another - there was no meaning. But yet saying that even in islam, the muslims lose the true meaning of Eid and other celebration, however we are aware of our religion as Islam whole itself.

I've got the Bible New Testament there was nothing that interested me in it (am not putting down the religion) because i knew it was man made and not the word of God. If someone sez to me that Islam is man made by Hazrat Mohammad (pbuh) people shoul;d really check the backgrounds of our prophet and see how can a man have so much time and literate to have written so much in the Quran that covers all of mankind? What would Hazrat Mohammad (pbuh) have gained from it, if he had mad eit up?

[desi_shawrty]

Well a guy and a girl just being friends, and talking, hanging out is not a sin but like if they actaully do somthing sexually than thats wrong and is a sin

[Z4K5T4R]

desi_shawrty -Any form of physical interaction is a sin. SO you hugging a male mate will be considered as a sin.

[mwahhhhhhhh]

desi_shawrty -Any form of physical interaction is a sin. SO you hugging a male mate will be considered as a sin.
but these days no1 considers wat u jus sed

[Z4K5T4R]

mwahhhhhhhh - Point wasn't whether people considered it or not. Point being was that it is a sin.

[mwahhhhhhhh]

mwahhhhhhhh - Point wasn't whether people considered it or not. Point being was that it is a sin.
i kno wat u meant but jus callin it a sin isnt enuf if u believe its a sin then u goto stay away from it das da point i was tryin 2 make..

[Z4K5T4R]

mwahhhhhhhh - When people know something is a sin they should go a bit further to research and see why it is a sin. To believe is to do your research and the ones that would go out of their way to do that are people who want to learn more about their religion and know the reasons behind things.

[mwahhhhhhhh]

mwahhhhhhhh - When people know something is a sin they should go a bit further to research and see why it is a sin. To believe is to do your research and the ones that would go out of their way to do that are people who want to learn more about their religion and know the reasons behind things.
but da topic wer on abt now doesnt need any research jus general knowledge abt our religion wud tel us its a sin... wat ur sayin is rite im not sayin its wrong.. but der r other thnihs dat u mite not b sure abt which will require reaseach

[virgorc]

OK A lot Of Muslim On here Date..

A few years back I started or tried to become
a Better Muslim,,
Stopped doing a lot of things
Still Noway near yet as being a good Muslim
but i dont wanna be Hardcore Muslim Either

anyway..
Talking about dating and stuff
i was talking to a friend who is dating, ( him and his GF are Muslim )
both very nice people...
but i was saying to him Dating in Islam is Forbidden
and that liking some is not but the actually dating is a sin
even if you Marry them on the end of the day the whole dating is a sin..

a lot of Muslim i know try to remould islam when they get caught up in this
situation and make excuses up to make them feel better
but the bottom line is,, Its a SIN

what do you guys on here that are Muslim and Dating think of this?

:sarb:

well, i dont know what to say i just dont date :neutral: but i didnt know to like someone was a sin

[mwahhhhhhhh]

well, i dont know what to say i just dont date :neutral: but i didnt know to like someone was a sin
2 like sum1 isnt jus if u want more than dat then it is

[Muslima786]

OK A lot Of Muslim On here Date..

A few years back I started or tried to become
a Better Muslim,,
Stopped doing a lot of things
Still Noway near yet as being a good Muslim
but i dont wanna be Hardcore Muslim Either

anyway..
Talking about dating and stuff
i was talking to a friend who is dating, ( him and his GF are Muslim )
both very nice people...
but i was saying to him Dating in Islam is Forbidden
and that liking some is not but the actually dating is a sin
even if you Marry them on the end of the day the whole dating is a sin..

a lot of Muslim i know try to remould islam when they get caught up in this
situation and make excuses up to make them feel better
but the bottom line is,, Its a SIN

what do you guys on here that are Muslim and Dating think of this?

:sarb:
pre marital relationships are prohibited in Islam period. even looking lustfully at the other sex constitutes of zina.

[virgorc]

2 like sum1 isnt jus if u want more than dat then it is

well, yeah i know what mean bah i think dating is bad

[mwahhhhhhhh]

pre marital relationships are prohibited in Islam period. even looking lustfully at the other sex constitutes of zina.
das da point i was tryin 2 make above

[mwahhhhhhhh]

well, yeah i know what mean bah i think dating is bad
dating is not allowed in islam

[virgorc]

dating is not allowed in islam

omg i know that that's y i have never dated anyone but... u know people still do it

[Muslima786]

yeah ok, im real sure that this will be the one and only reason i'll go to hell.

People will go to hell that really deserve it. a guy that dates doesnt seem all that dangeous to me. God forgives pretty much anything.

Hitler and Stalin deserve hell, Ahmed Nur doesnt really for going out with a chick.

There are varying degrees of sins. This isnt exactly in the upper echelons of sindom.
1 day in hell is equal to 50,000 years for us.

[mwahhhhhhhh]

omg i know that that's y i have never dated anyone but... u know people still do it
yes they do.... is just lust gets da better of them.. but they dont realise dat life is jsut a test

[virgorc]

yes they do.... is just lust gets da better of them.. but they dont realise dat life is jsut a test

yea i know...it the real life after qayamat which i think verry close

have u ever dated any1?

[mwahhhhhhhh]

yea i know...it the real life after qayamat which i think verry close

have u ever dated any1?
im datin sum1 rite now...

[virgorc]

im datin sum1 rite now...

oh cool ;)

well i gatta go back to bed i am sleeeepy

later :wavey:

[mwahhhhhhhh]

oh cool ;)

well i gatta go back to bed i am sleeeepy

later :wavey:
bye

[Shashanna]

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[desi_shawrty]

desi_shawrty -Any form of physical interaction is a sin. SO you hugging a male mate will be considered as a sin.
yeh but a girl and a guy can be together and not do that and holding hands is not a sin they oculd be goin out and just hang out together talk and have fun but just nothing physical and thats basically how you would chooce your life partner caus we have the right to do that

[The Anti Desi]

OK A lot Of Muslim On here Date..

A few years back I started or tried to become
a Better Muslim,,
Stopped doing a lot of things
Still Noway near yet as being a good Muslim
but i dont wanna be Hardcore Muslim Either

anyway..
Talking about dating and stuff
i was talking to a friend who is dating, ( him and his GF are Muslim )
both very nice people...
but i was saying to him Dating in Islam is Forbidden
and that liking some is not but the actually dating is a sin
even if you Marry them on the end of the day the whole dating is a sin..

a lot of Muslim i know try to remould islam when they get caught up in this
situation and make excuses up to make them feel better
but the bottom line is,, Its a SIN

what do you guys on here that are Muslim and Dating think of this?

:sarb:
Gonna have to disagree with that one statement. Dating is a means to understand a suitable marriage partner. The dating y'all are thinking about in western liberal terms is whats forbidden; courtship without any means of marriage.

[The Anti Desi]

good point
if they should ever do that
It should be done Collectively from Muslim Around the World

and not by and tom, dick and harry

But Muslim Are scarred to change the word of Allah
but that's another topic
No one is changing the word's of Allah. We are changing the words of men and their tradition. The tradition of a certain group is not always a religious issue. The Law of Allah is one and forever.

[desi_shawrty]

Gonna have to disagree with that one statement. Dating is a means to understand a suitable marriage partner. The dating y'all are thinking about in western liberal terms is whats forbidden; courtship without any means of marriage.

Thats exactly what i said i mean if the two people don't do any thing sexually or like hugging or any thing than its not a sin

[stylo_4444]

OK A lot Of Muslim On here Date..

A few years back I started or tried to become
a Better Muslim,,
Stopped doing a lot of things
Still Noway near yet as being a good Muslim
but i dont wanna be Hardcore Muslim Either

anyway..
Talking about dating and stuff
i was talking to a friend who is dating, ( him and his GF are Muslim )
both very nice people...
but i was saying to him Dating in Islam is Forbidden
and that liking some is not but the actually dating is a sin
even if you Marry them on the end of the day the whole dating is a sin..

a lot of Muslim i know try to remould islam when they get caught up in this
situation and make excuses up to make them feel better
but the bottom line is,, Its a SIN

what do you guys on here that are Muslim and Dating think of this?

:sarb:

we make up excuses for ourselves as a defense-mechanism, so we won't feel as bad.

[Shortyy]

Hmm..yeah it is a sin acctually and gosh i promised mah self 2 that i'll be
a good muslim now.

[stylo_4444]

I love how a few of you seem to think that as long as you read namaaz, don't do other sins that everything will be fine.

That's not up to YOU to determine my friends.

And then you have people who say that Islam should be updated?? One of the things that we Muslims believe that separates our religion from Christianity and Judaism is that the Quran has not been altered. It is the Word of Allah. Christians and Jews altered the Bible and Torah to basically their liking.

[The Anti Desi]

I love how a few of you seem to think that as long as you read namaaz, don't do other sins that everything will be fine.

That's not up to YOU to determine my friends.

And then you have people who say that Islam should be updated?? One of the things that we Muslims believe that separates our religion from Christianity and Judaism is that the Quran has not been altered. It is the Word of Allah. Christians and Jews altered the Bible and Torah to basically their liking.
Islam is not just these "Five Pillars". Its the entire Quran.

[stylo_4444]

Islam is not just these "Five Pillars". Its the entire Quran.

Sure, but I didn't mention anything about the "Five Pillars".

[The Anti Desi]

Sure, but I didn't mention anything about the "Five Pillars".
I know......I just was not reflectin on just what you said....many many believe if they just follow the five pillars, they are saved, which is wrong.

[stylo_4444]

I know......I just was not reflectin on just what you said....many many believe if they just follow the five pillars, they are saved, which is wrong.

It's just a bunch of excuses. Muslims know what the sins are...but many believe that if they don't commit other sins like drinking alcohol, doing drugs, and so on...that it's ok to do stuff like "dating" or going to clubs and stuff...which u know what, at times even I have done.

There are times when even I have believed that at least I'm not doing stuff like getting wasted or getting high, but it's ok for me to go to clubs as long as I'm not taking part in things that other people are doing which are sinful. And that's wrong.

[Z4K5T4R]

yeh but a girl and a guy can be together and not do that and holding hands is not a sin they oculd be goin out and just hang out together talk and have fun but just nothing physical and thats basically how you would chooce your life partner caus we have the right to do that
Ny god holding hands with an unknown isn't a sin? Ny god dear you need to re-read sone things of Islam and then make a statement like that.

[stylo_4444]

Ny god holding hands with an unknown isn't a sin? Ny god dear you need to re-read sone things of Islam and then make a statement like that.

In all honesty, I dunno if many couples are gonna go thru relationships with just holding hands...it's gonna eventually lead to other stuff.

At least that's what I can gather from relationships I have seen.

[FatGeezer]

Ny god holding hands with an unknown isn't a sin? Ny god dear you need to re-read sone things of Islam and then make a statement like that.

the naivety never cease to surprise me :no:
jeez dont the parents teach their kids anything nowadays???

[FatGeezer]

In all honesty, I dunno if many couples are gonna go thru relationships with just holding hands...it's gonna eventually lead to other stuff.

At least that's what I can gather from relationships I have seen.
Even LOOKING at a non-mehrum with lust is a sin.



oh wait, you prob dont know what a mehrum is.

[The Anti Desi]

Ny god holding hands with an unknown isn't a sin? Ny god dear you need to re-read sone things of Islam and then make a statement like that.
Unknown??? :sarb:

[stylo_4444]

Even LOOKING at a non-mehrum with lust is a sin.



oh wait, you prob dont know what a mehrum is.

u must love making assumptions...and being wrong as well.

[The Anti Desi]

u must love making assumptions...and being wrong as well.
:werd:

[FatGeezer]

u must love making assumptions...and being wrong as well.
and what ASSUMPTION have i just made?

[stylo_4444]

and what ASSUMPTION have i just made?

that i don't know what MEHRUM is. u must be illiterate.

[FatGeezer]

:werd:
u got no room to talk dimwit

[FatGeezer]

that i don't know what MEHRUM is. u must be illiterate.
Heard of SARCASM? i guess humour is wasted on the dim... :no:

[The Anti Desi]

u got no room to talk dimwit
Ur that fat??? :sarb:

[stylo_4444]

Heard of SARCASM? i guess humour is wasted on the dim... :no:

u prob. don't know what Mehrum is, is your idea of sarcasm???

u have a nice day now...and keep up those clever "comments".

[FatGeezer]

Ur that fat??? :sarb:
yes im fatter than you and il squash you if youre not careful Mr. "i strictly beleive whats only in the quran and no hadith yet i beleive in namaz and smoking is haram..."

[The Anti Desi]

yes im fatter than you and il squash you if youre not careful Mr. "i strictly beleive whats only in the quran and no hadith yet i beleive in namaz and smoking is haram..."
That would be nice if hadith actually SAID how to pray....:squint:

[FatGeezer]

u prob. don't know what Mehrum is, is your idea of sarcasm???

u have a nice day now...and keep up those clever "comments".


ma bad! i thot id quoted desi_shawrty above not you :kekeke:

[FatGeezer]

That would be nice if hadith actually SAID how to pray....:squint:

the Quran does? All the quran says is do sajda

so y dont u just do sajda at the appropriate times instead of reading a full namaz, hey, after all, thats ALL the quran says.

Practice what you preach.

For your info the main hadith are what actually define how many rakats etc are in each of the namaz

[The Anti Desi]

the Quran does? All the quran says is do sajda

so y dont u just do sajda at the appropriate times instead of reading a full namaz, hey, after all, thats ALL the quran says.

Practice what you preach.

For your info the main hadith are what actually define how many rakats etc are in each of the namaz
And hadith does not explain how many rakats either.

[*innocent angel*]

OK A lot Of Muslim On here Date..

A few years back I started or tried to become
a Better Muslim,,
Stopped doing a lot of things
Still Noway near yet as being a good Muslim
but i dont wanna be Hardcore Muslim Either

a lot of Muslim i know try to remould islam when they get caught up in this
situation and make excuses up to make them feel better
but the bottom line is,, Its a SIN

what do you guys on here that are Muslim and Dating think of this?

:sarb:

yea i agree it is a sin to date still many people do it
and yea a lot of ppl do mould islam to suit them..like i know this guy and we were just talking about dating and stuff and he said that in islam you are allowed to date but as long as u end up marrying that person... i asked him where he got that from and he said u shud try readin the quran..ull no then!
:no:

but yea i myself have dated in the past..i knew what i was doing wasnt right yet still did it

at the mo i am tryin to become a better muslim
i have done some seriously stupid things in the past which i do regret

[Rishi_TEX]

ok i wud like to point out to wat shivachrist said bfore......religion shud be updated along time.... i mean i STILL CANT BELIVE PPL follow rules written thousands of yrs ago..n they still follow that???? this applies to all religion... i mean, ya religion was created to form unity n correct social conduct n bring law n order, but those rules r tottallyy outdated now... i think its time for everyone to step up..... denounce terrorism, denounce fanatics message, n adopt modern day behavior n norms in our culture n religion, that way we all can follow the way of life as spoken in each religion. :)

[FatGeezer]

And hadith does not explain how many rakats either.
yes they do.
The number of rakats offered in each namaz are directly derived from hadith recollections of what the prophet (saw) used to pray or what the sahabah did.

[Rishi_TEX]

yea i agree it is a sin to date still many people do it
and yea a lot of ppl do mould islam to suit them..like i know this guy and we were just talking about dating and stuff and he said that in islam you are allowed to date but as long as u end up marrying that person... i asked him where he got that from and he said u shud try readin the quran..ull no then!
:no:

but yea i myself have dated in the past..i knew what i was doing wasnt right yet still did it

at the mo i am tryin to become a better muslim
i have done some seriously stupid things in the past which i do regret


why is dating soo bad??? thas the best way to know someone who u might think will be compatible w/u in the future?? i dont get it

[The Anti Desi]

yes they do.
The number of rakats offered in each namaz are directly derived from hadith recollections of what the prophet (saw) used to pray or what the sahabah did.
show me the links.

[*innocent angel*]

why is dating soo bad??? thas the best way to know someone who u might think will be compatible w/u in the future?? i dont get it

no im not saying its bad..like i said even i have done it...its just not allowed in islam
i agree it wud b one of the best ways to get to know someone

[FatGeezer]

show me the links.

i quote from another source to save riteraring:

It is true that Allah (swt) did not miss anything in the holy book:

"nothing have we omitted from the book" [7:38]

In it are commandments which are clear and other meanings which are
obscure, requiring certain proper interpretation, which is only possesed
by certain persons who are deeply rooted in knowledge. Among whom is the
Holy Prophet (s), no doubt, as the holy ayah clearly reads:

"He it is who has sent down to thee the book: in it are verses
basic or fundamental (of established meaning); they are the
foundation of the book: others are allegorical. but those in whose
hearts is perversity follow the part thereof that is allegorical,
seeking discord, and searching for its hidden meanings, but no one
knows its hidden meanings except Allah and those who are firmly
grounded in knowledge say: we believe in the book; the whole of it
is from our lord: and none will grasp the message except men of
understanding." [3:7]

Allah further instructs us to ask those possessing the "knowlege" (Ahlul
Dhikr) in these other ayahs:

"And before thee also the apostles we sent were but men, to whom we
granted inspiration: if ye realize this not, ask of those who
possess the message." [16:43]

"Before thee, also, the apostles we sent were but men, to whom we
granted inspiration: if ye realize this not, ask of those who
possess the message." [21:7]

Therefore, the Quran if left to the interpretation of just anyone
without the checks and balances of hadith and tradition to constrain the
proper meanings, then there is no assurance that the interpretation is
more than the whims of the interpretor.

As to the details of prayer, There are literally 100's of hadiths which
discuss fragments of prayer details. For the Shi'a one book alone:
"Wasael al-Shi'a" has five volumes of hadith strictly on prayers. And
the supplement to it: "Mustadrak al-Wasael" has four more. I will mention
the reference to just one hadith which describes the daily prayers in
details when the prophet (s) received his instruction from Allah (swt)
during the Israa & Mi'raj. It is too long to include the hadith itself
here. Here is the Isnad:

Al-Hurr al-'Amili, "Wasael al-Shi'a", v5 , p465-468, #7086.

Muhammad bin Ali bin al-Husain from his father, and Muhammad bin
al-Hasan bin Ahmad bin al-Waleed from Saad bin Abdullah from Muhammad
bin Isa from Muhammad bin Abi Umair and Muhammad bin Sinan together,
from al-Sabah al-Mazani and Sadeer al-Sairafi and Muhammad bin al-Noeman
Moemin al-Taq and Umar bin Uthainah althogether from Abi Abdullah
(Jaafar al-Sadiq [as]).

Also by way of Muhammad bin al-Hasan from al-Saffar and Saad together
from Muhammad bin al-Husain bin Abi al-Khattab and Yaaqoub bin Yazid and
Muhammad bin Isa, althogether; from Abdullah bin Jabala from al-Sabah
al-Mazani and Sadeer al-Sairafi and Muhammad bin Noeman al-Ahwal and
Umar bin Uthaina from Abi 'Abdullah (Jaafar al-Sadiq [as]).

For Sunni hadith sources Al-Bukhari (v3), Muslim and others have
chapters on Prayer and Time of Prayers. Here is a sample:

Sahih Muslim Hadith # 1278 narrated by Buraydah:

"Someone asked the Apostle of Allah (peace be upon him) about the time
of prayer. Upon this he said: Pray with us these two, meaning for two
days. When the sun passed the meridian, he gave the command to Bilal who
uttered the call to prayer, then he commanded him to pronounce the
Iqamah for noon prayer. (Then at the time of the afternoon prayer) he
again gave the command and the Iqamah for the afternoon prayer was
pronounced when the sun was high, white and clear. He then commanded, and
Iqamah for the evening prayer was pronounced, when the sun had set. He
then gave him the command and the Iqamah for the night prayer was
pronounced when the twilight had disappeared. Later he gave him the
command and the Iqamah for the morning prayer was pronounced when the
dawn had appeared. When it was the next day, he commanded him to delay
the noon prayer until the extreme heat had passed and he did so, and he
allowed it to be delayed till the extreme heat had passed. He observed
the afternoon prayer when the sun was high, delaying it beyond the time
he had previously observed it. He observed the evening prayer before the
twilight had vanished; he observed the night prayer when a third of the
night had passed; and he observed the dawn prayer when there was clear
daylight. He (the Holy Prophet) then said: Where is the man who
inquired about the time of prayer? He (the inquirer) said: Messenger of
Allah! Here I am. He (the Holy Prophet) said: The time for your prayer
is within the limits of what you have seen."


Combining of the Dhuhr and Asr together in the shared time and the Maghrib
and Ishaa together at night has also been reported in many hadiths. The same
hadiths tell of the number of Rukaas in four of the daily prayers, too.

One of many from Bukhari (v1, p286, #510) narrated by Ibn Abbas: "The
prophet (s) prayed, in Madina, Seven and Eight - Dhuhr & 'Asr and Maghrib &
'Ishaa. Ayyoub said: perhaps on a rainy night? He said: perhaps."

Another variation in Bukhari (v1, p292, #529) from Ibn Abbas: "The prophet
(s) prayed seven together and eight together."

[The Anti Desi]

ok i wud like to point out to wat shivachrist said bfore......religion shud be updated along time.... i mean i STILL CANT BELIVE PPL follow rules written thousands of yrs ago..n they still follow that???? this applies to all religion... i mean, ya religion was created to form unity n correct social conduct n bring law n order, but those rules r tottallyy outdated now... i think its time for everyone to step up..... denounce terrorism, denounce fanatics message, n adopt modern day behavior n norms in our culture n religion, that way we all can follow the way of life as spoken in each religion. :)
I believe the Quran was made forever. But these other laws "derived" from the Arabic traditions are outdated. We are here to follow what God told us in his book, not what the people did.

[Rishi_TEX]

no im not saying its bad..like i said even i have done it...its just not allowed in islam
i agree it wud b one of the best ways to get to know someone


no offense but i think thas ONEof the things thas quite outddated!!! i mean cmmon, at this modern age, when ppl r flying to moon, u cant just meet someone ONE DAY n decide to get married n then get to know them, thas stupid... u gotta go out w/ em, hang out, see their behavior n other things, n then see if they r worthy of marriage--- coz thas a lifelong thing... i just think ...thinkin dating is sin....is totally outddated. :neutral:

[Z4K5T4R]

the naivety never cease to surprise me :no:
jeez dont the parents teach their kids anything nowadays???
Nowadays most parents have a problem with teaching their kids the important things that should be learnt. You cannot even look at the opposite in a lustful way let along be able to hold hands with the one you love outside marriage.

[Z4K5T4R]

yea i agree it is a sin to date still many people do it
and yea a lot of ppl do mould islam to suit them..like i know this guy and we were just talking about dating and stuff and he said that in islam you are allowed to date but as long as u end up marrying that person... i asked him where he got that from and he said u shud try readin the quran..ull no then!
:no:

but yea i myself have dated in the past..i knew what i was doing wasnt right yet still did it

at the mo i am tryin to become a better muslim
i have done some seriously stupid things in the past which i do regret
Good for you for trying to become a better Muslim! That guy that said all that tell him to re-read the quran and get the information correct. Unless he meant if you are engaged to the person you can date them but then again dating usually consists of physical activity which is totally prohibited in Islam.

[The Anti Desi]

i quote from another source to save riteraring:

It is true that Allah (swt) did not miss anything in the holy book:

"nothing have we omitted from the book" [7:38]

In it are commandments which are clear and other meanings which are
obscure, requiring certain proper interpretation, which is only possesed
by certain persons who are deeply rooted in knowledge. Among whom is the
Holy Prophet (s), no doubt, as the holy ayah clearly reads:

"He it is who has sent down to thee the book: in it are verses
basic or fundamental (of established meaning); they are the
foundation of the book: others are allegorical. but those in whose
hearts is perversity follow the part thereof that is allegorical,
seeking discord, and searching for its hidden meanings, but no one
knows its hidden meanings except Allah and those who are firmly
grounded in knowledge say: we believe in the book; the whole of it
is from our lord: and none will grasp the message except men of
understanding." [3:7]

Allah further instructs us to ask those possessing the "knowlege" (Ahlul
Dhikr) in these other ayahs:

"And before thee also the apostles we sent were but men, to whom we
granted inspiration: if ye realize this not, ask of those who
possess the message." [16:43]

"Before thee, also, the apostles we sent were but men, to whom we
granted inspiration: if ye realize this not, ask of those who
possess the message." [21:7]

Therefore, the Quran if left to the interpretation of just anyone
without the checks and balances of hadith and tradition to constrain the
proper meanings, then there is no assurance that the interpretation is
more than the whims of the interpretor.

As to the details of prayer, There are literally 100's of hadiths which
discuss fragments of prayer details. For the Shi'a one book alone:
"Wasael al-Shi'a" has five volumes of hadith strictly on prayers. And
the supplement to it: "Mustadrak al-Wasael" has four more. I will mention
the reference to just one hadith which describes the daily prayers in
details when the prophet (s) received his instruction from Allah (swt)
during the Israa & Mi'raj. It is too long to include the hadith itself
here. Here is the Isnad:

Al-Hurr al-'Amili, "Wasael al-Shi'a", v5 , p465-468, #7086.

Muhammad bin Ali bin al-Husain from his father, and Muhammad bin
al-Hasan bin Ahmad bin al-Waleed from Saad bin Abdullah from Muhammad
bin Isa from Muhammad bin Abi Umair and Muhammad bin Sinan together,
from al-Sabah al-Mazani and Sadeer al-Sairafi and Muhammad bin al-Noeman
Moemin al-Taq and Umar bin Uthainah althogether from Abi Abdullah
(Jaafar al-Sadiq [as]).

Also by way of Muhammad bin al-Hasan from al-Saffar and Saad together
from Muhammad bin al-Husain bin Abi al-Khattab and Yaaqoub bin Yazid and
Muhammad bin Isa, althogether; from Abdullah bin Jabala from al-Sabah
al-Mazani and Sadeer al-Sairafi and Muhammad bin Noeman al-Ahwal and
Umar bin Uthaina from Abi 'Abdullah (Jaafar al-Sadiq [as]).

For Sunni hadith sources Al-Bukhari (v3), Muslim and others have
chapters on Prayer and Time of Prayers. Here is a sample:

Sahih Muslim Hadith # 1278 narrated by Buraydah:

"Someone asked the Apostle of Allah (peace be upon him) about the time
of prayer. Upon this he said: Pray with us these two, meaning for two
days. When the sun passed the meridian, he gave the command to Bilal who
uttered the call to prayer, then he commanded him to pronounce the
Iqamah for noon prayer. (Then at the time of the afternoon prayer) he
again gave the command and the Iqamah for the afternoon prayer was
pronounced when the sun was high, white and clear. He then commanded, and
Iqamah for the evening prayer was pronounced, when the sun had set. He
then gave him the command and the Iqamah for the night prayer was
pronounced when the twilight had disappeared. Later he gave him the
command and the Iqamah for the morning prayer was pronounced when the
dawn had appeared. When it was the next day, he commanded him to delay
the noon prayer until the extreme heat had passed and he did so, and he
allowed it to be delayed till the extreme heat had passed. He observed
the afternoon prayer when the sun was high, delaying it beyond the time
he had previously observed it. He observed the evening prayer before the
twilight had vanished; he observed the night prayer when a third of the
night had passed; and he observed the dawn prayer when there was clear
daylight. He (the Holy Prophet) then said: Where is the man who
inquired about the time of prayer? He (the inquirer) said: Messenger of
Allah! Here I am. He (the Holy Prophet) said: The time for your prayer
is within the limits of what you have seen."


Combining of the Dhuhr and Asr together in the shared time and the Maghrib
and Ishaa together at night has also been reported in many hadiths. The same
hadiths tell of the number of Rukaas in four of the daily prayers, too.

One of many from Bukhari (v1, p286, #510) narrated by Ibn Abbas: "The
prophet (s) prayed, in Madina, Seven and Eight - Dhuhr & 'Asr and Maghrib &
'Ishaa. Ayyoub said: perhaps on a rainy night? He said: perhaps."

Another variation in Bukhari (v1, p292, #529) from Ibn Abbas: "The prophet
(s) prayed seven together and eight together."


:bored:

That would be nice if hadith actually EXPLAINED the Quran.

And I still don't see the number of rakats. Highlight them for me.

And what does seven and eight together mean???

Volume 1, Book 10, Number 510:
Narrated Abu Huraira and 'Abdullah bin 'Umar:

Allah's Apostle said, "If it is very hot, then pray the Zuhr prayer when it becomes (a bit) cooler, as the severity of the heat is from the raging of the Hell-fire."

Volume 1, Book 10, Number 529:
Narrated Qais:

Jarir said, "We were with the Prophet and he looked at the moon--full-moon--and said, 'Certainly you will see your Lord as you see this moon and you will have no trouble in seeing Him. So if you can avoid missing (through sleep or business, etc.) a prayer before the sun-rise (Fajr) and a prayer before sunset ('Asr), you must do so.' He then recited Allah's Statement:

And celebrate the praises Of your Lord before The rising of the sun And before (its) setting." (50.39) Isma'il said, "Offer those prayers and do not miss them."


So what are talkin about??

All the allegorical verses are not subject to interpretation. They are entities that Allah tells us, and only Allah knows.

[*innocent angel*]

no offense but i think thas ONEof the things thas quite outddated!!! i mean cmmon, at this modern age, when ppl r flying to moon, u cant just meet someone ONE DAY n decide to get married n then get to know them, thas stupid... u gotta go out w/ em, hang out, see their behavior n other things, n then see if they r worthy of marriage--- coz thas a lifelong thing... i just think ...thinkin dating is sin....is totally outddated. :neutral:

non taken...i can understand where u are coming from but we just cant go around updating the quran!
you dont have to marry a total stranger u can be friends with the person b4 without dating them..get to know the person that way!

[The Anti Desi]

non taken...i can understand where u are coming from but we just cant go around updating the quran!
you dont have to marry a total stranger u can be friends with the person b4 without dating them..get to know the person that way!
I think the great controversy is the definition of dating. Many people use the term "dating" when its solely a friendship, amongst a group of people.

No one is trying to change the words of the Quran.

[*innocent angel*]

Good for you for trying to become a better Muslim! That guy that said all that tell him to re-read the quran and get the information correct. Unless he meant if you are engaged to the person you can date them but then again dating usually consists of physical activity which is totally prohibited in Islam.

thanx
yea i no exactly here he is telling me to read it! hes the one who actually needs to read it PROPER that is
exactly..any physical contact with the opposite sex is prohibited

[FatGeezer]

show me the links.
heres a link that shows HOW to read namaz and how the METHOD of slat is derived form hadith:

http://muttaqun.com/salah.html

[*innocent angel*]

I think the great controversy is the definition of dating. Many people use the term "dating" when its solely a friendship, amongst a group of people.

No one is trying to change the words of the Quran.

well i guess they just need to get their terms right then

gd coz the qurans not supposed to be changed

[The Anti Desi]

heres a link that shows HOW to read namaz and how the METHOD of slat is derived form hadith:

http://muttaqun.com/salah.html
So where is the detailed description of prayer directly from Muhammed?? This is purely done on observation and speculation by different accounts.

And where in the hadiths does it quote the number of rakats required for each prayer???

[The Anti Desi]

well i guess they just need to get their terms right then

gd coz the qurans not supposed to be changed
The Quran is the eternal word of Allah. Its made for all places, all times.

[FatGeezer]

So where is the detailed description of prayer directly from Muhammed?? This is purely done on observation and speculation by different accounts.

And where in the hadiths does it quote the number of rakats required for each prayer???

you just dont seem to get it do you. Thats what hadith is all about and thats why its called a SCIENCE.

There are hundreds of hadith such as:

Bukhari,
Volume 2, Book 26, Number 623:
Narrated Anas bin Malik:

Allah's Apostle offered four Rakat of Zuhr prayer at Medina and we were in his company, and two Rakat of the Asr prayer at Dhul-Hulaifa and then passed the night there till it was dawn; then he rode, and when he reached Al-Baida', he praised and glorified Allah and said Takbir (i.e. Alhamdu-lillah and Subhanallah(1) and Allahu-Akbar). Then he and the people along with him recited Talbiya with the intention of performing Hajj and Umra. When we reached (Mecca) he ordered us to finish the lhram (after performing the Umra) (only those who had no Hadi (animal for sacrifice) with them were asked to do so) till the day of Tarwiya that is 8th Dhul-Hijja when they assumed Ihram for Hajj. The Prophet sacrificed many camels (slaughtering them) with his own hands while standing. While Allah's Apostle was in Medina he sacrificed two horned rams black and white in color in the Name of Allah."

It would be imposible for me to list all the hadith mentioning the number of rakat and then to deduce the rules for the different numbers for the different occasions (eg. rules relating to namaaz while travelling).

HOWEVER, isnt the onus on YOU since YOU are the one that beleives in ONLY the quran and not the hadith to PROVE WHY YOU PRAY NAMAZ AND NOT JUST DO A SAJDAH?

Because if you ONLY beleive EXCLUSIVELY what it says in the quran and yet you read namaz like most muslims do then arent you a hypocrite of your own words because the quran doesnt tell you to do that?

[FatGeezer]

So where is the detailed description of prayer directly from Muhammed?? This is purely done on observation and speculation by different accounts.

And where in the hadiths does it quote the number of rakats required for each prayer???


My dear philistine, the hadith is NOT the word of Mohammed (saw). It is a historical recollection of the life of the prophet (saw) and his companions and theyre ventures.

[The Anti Desi]

you just dont seem to get it do you. Thats what hadith is all about and thats why its called a SCIENCE.

There are hundreds of hadith such as:

Bukhari,
Volume 2, Book 26, Number 623:
Narrated Anas bin Malik:

Allah's Apostle offered four Rakat of Zuhr prayer at Medina and we were in his company, and two Rakat of the Asr prayer at Dhul-Hulaifa and then passed the night there till it was dawn; then he rode, and when he reached Al-Baida', he praised and glorified Allah and said Takbir (i.e. Alhamdu-lillah and Subhanallah(1) and Allahu-Akbar). Then he and the people along with him recited Talbiya with the intention of performing Hajj and Umra. When we reached (Mecca) he ordered us to finish the lhram (after performing the Umra) (only those who had no Hadi (animal for sacrifice) with them were asked to do so) till the day of Tarwiya that is 8th Dhul-Hijja when they assumed Ihram for Hajj. The Prophet sacrificed many camels (slaughtering them) with his own hands while standing. While Allah's Apostle was in Medina he sacrificed two horned rams black and white in color in the Name of Allah."

It would be imposible for me to list all the hadith mentioning the number of rakat and then to deduce the rules for the different numbers for the different occasions (eg. rules relating to namaaz while travelling).

HOWEVER, isnt the onus on YOU since YOU are the one that beleives in ONLY the quran and not the hadith to PROVE WHY YOU PRAY NAMAZ AND NOT JUST DO A SAJDAH?

Because if you ONLY beleive EXCLUSIVELY what it says in the quran and yet you read namaz like most muslims do then arent you a hypocrite of your own words because the quran doesnt tell you to do that?
I don't pray like y'all do. I do what the Quran says.....face the Qiblah, stand, read, bow, prostrate. I don't do rakats, and I don't do the Attayatu. I gave upon your process a year ago.

Hadith has a science on truthfullness of conjecture and hearsay. What does the Quran say about conjecture and hearsay???

26:223 (Into whose ears) they pour hearsay vanities, and most of them are liars.

2:78 And there are among them illiterates, who know not the Book, but (see therein their own) desires, and they do nothing but conjecture.

6:116 Wert thou to follow the common run of those on earth, they will lead thee away from the way of Allah. They follow nothing but conjecture: they do nothing but lie.

A science that has failed miserably. The filtration process has failed, so why should I trust any hadith after that.

[The Anti Desi]

My dear philistine, the hadith is NOT the word of Mohammed (saw). It is a historical recollection of the life of the prophet (saw) and his companions and theyre ventures.
OH.....talkin about the Sunnah of Muhammed??

Show me where in the Quran it talks about the Sunnah of Muhammed.

[stylo_4444]

well u people do what u want...date if u want...pray however u think is right.

too many desis obsess over what other people do.

[FatGeezer]

I don't pray like y'all do. I do what the Quran says.....face the Qiblah, stand, read, bow, prostrate. I don't do rakats, and I don't do the Attayatu. I gave upon your process a year ago.

Hadith has a science on truthfullness of conjecture and hearsay. What does the Quran say about conjecture and hearsay???

26:223 (Into whose ears) they pour hearsay vanities, and most of them are liars.

2:78 And there are among them illiterates, who know not the Book, but (see therein their own) desires, and they do nothing but conjecture.

6:116 Wert thou to follow the common run of those on earth, they will lead thee away from the way of Allah. They follow nothing but conjecture: they do nothing but lie.

A science that has failed miserably. The filtration process has failed, so why should I trust any hadith after that.


you and adren@line sitting in a tree..
K..I...S..S........


thats all i got to say bout u. The crow is still white.

[The Anti Desi]

well u people do what u want...date if u want...pray however u think is right.

too many desis obsess over what other people do.
True....

[The Anti Desi]

you and adren@line sitting in a tree..
K..I...S..S........


thats all i got to say bout u. The crow is still white.
English please.

When someone starts resorting to flame, they have clearly lost their argument.

[pimpkidman828]

well i guess they just need to get their terms right then

gd coz the qurans not supposed to be changed
um.. actaully...... NM no comment.. no religion on rd for me

[FatGeezer]

English please.

When someone starts resorting to flame, they have clearly lost their argument.

jeez u lot dont get it. there IS NO "argument". its a debate. Everyone things different and the "correct" responses are relative

[FatGeezer]

English please.

When someone starts resorting to flame, they have clearly lost their argument.


ok, so tell me. Do you ever go to a mosque to pray namaaz in a salat?

[The Anti Desi]

jeez u lot dont get it. there IS NO "argument". its a debate. Everyone things different and the "correct" responses are relative
Still no reason to resort to flame.

[The Anti Desi]

ok, so tell me. Do you ever go to a mosque to pray namaaz in a salat?
I did when I was in middle school, learning about Sunnism.

I don't go to a mosque anymore. I pray alone. No point of following a prayer if you don't understand what is being said.

[FatGeezer]

I did when I was in middle school, learning about Sunnism.

I don't go to a mosque anymore. I pray alone. No point of following a prayer if you don't understand what is being said.

isnt the onus on you to learn whats being said then? to learn arabic or the translation or meaning at least?

Ok, so where did you deduce smoking was haram from?

And when you read namaz/pray at home.

EXACTLY what actions do you do and what do you say/read in the prayer. and in which language?

[sky_]

Just been Reading Some of the comments on here very interesting
some stuff i didn't know about...
always good to know more stuff about the religion
I never pretend to know to know everything,
that's why i made this thread

[FatGeezer]

Just been Reading Some of the comments on here very interesting
some stuff i didn't know about...
always good to know more stuff about the religion
I never pretend to know to know everything,
that's why i made this thread
i know you...i think

[sky_]

i know you...i think


Youve wrote some Interesting Comments on here
been reading them...

where do you Know me From
Your Work in TV production or Media?

[FatGeezer]

Youve wrote some Interesting Comments on here
been reading them...

where do you Know me From
Your Work in TV production or Media?

no, did you or your brother have a hairdressers in brighouse, and your from bradford arent you. used to live toller lane area?

[sky_]

no, did you or your brother have a hairdressers in brighouse, and your from bradford arent you. used to live toller lane area?

Nah Never Had Hairdressers Shop or anything to do like that ever
I'm from Bradford that bit is Correct buit Never lived near Tollar Lane
But my Brother is a 3D Antimatter for PlayStation for a Company
Called Studio LONDON which is in London SOHO

[FatGeezer]

Nah Never Had Hairdressers Shop or anything to do like that ever
I'm from Bradford that bit is Correct buit Never lived near Tollar Lane
But my Brother is a 3D Antimatter for PlayStation for a Company
Called Studio LONDON which is in London SOHO
did u used to live in toller lane area? near carlisle rd junction side?

[The Anti Desi]

isnt the onus on you to learn whats being said then? to learn arabic or the translation or meaning at least?

Ok, so where did you deduce smoking was haram from?

And when you read namaz/pray at home.

EXACTLY what actions do you do and what do you say/read in the prayer. and in which language?
If u are wonderin, yes I pray in English. And like the Quran says, face Qiblah, bow, prostate, glorify Allah. There is no preordained ritual. There is no one method. Salat started with Abraham. Was it the same ritual practiced by Muhammed??? In fact where does the Quran say salat is in units?? Raka??

[sky_]

did u used to live in toller lane area? near carlisle rd junction side?

No Lived near Marlborough Road
always live near there

[FatGeezer]

If u are wonderin, yes I pray in English. And like the Quran says, face Qiblah, bow, prostate, glorify Allah. There is no preordained ritual. There is no one method. Salat started with Abraham. Was it the same ritual practiced by Muhammed??? In fact where does the Quran say salat is in units?? Raka??

can you tell me the order u bow/prostrate, how long you do it for. how many times you do it?

do you do wudu?

u omitted the response for smoking question.

[FatGeezer]

No Lived near Marlborough Road
always live near there
mebe my mistake. thot u looked like someone that i seen in that area long time ago. u dnt know someone called waheed do you?

[FatGeezer]

If u are wonderin, yes I pray in English. And like the Quran says, face Qiblah, bow, prostate, glorify Allah. There is no preordained ritual. There is no one method. Salat started with Abraham. Was it the same ritual practiced by Muhammed??? In fact where does the Quran say salat is in units?? Raka??

do you go to mosque for friday prayers?

[sky_]

mebe my mistake. thot u looked like someone that i seen in that area long time ago. u dnt know someone called waheed do you?


Hmmm doesnt ring any bells
from the top of me head

Maybe you have seen me around ther do you have a pic up on the site
maybe i may remmeber you if i have seen you

[FatGeezer]

Hmmm doesnt ring any bells
from the top of me head

Maybe you have seen me around ther do you have a pic up on the site
maybe i may remmeber you if i have seen you
na i dont have a pic up. used to live there looong time ago. moved to manc bout 10 yrs now

[The Anti Desi]

can you tell me the order u bow/prostrate, how long you do it for. how many times you do it?

do you do wudu?

u omitted the response for smoking question.
Do you have ur hadiths tellin u how??

Now let me get one thing clear.....I never said I cannot accept the way Prophet prayed. But is this truly how the Prophet prayed??? If we have to refer to books filled with lies and blasphemy to understand the sunnah of the Muhammed, are we getting the truth on prayer.

BTW, my research.

Start with standing

4:102 When thou (O Messenger. art with them, and standest to lead them in prayer, Let one party of them stand up (in prayer) with thee, Taking their arms with them: When they finish their prostrations, let them Take their position in the rear. And let the other party come up which hath not yet prayed - and let them pray with thee, Taking all precaution, and bearing arms: the Unbelievers wish, if ye were negligent of your arms and your baggage, to assault you in a single rush. But there is no blame on you if ye put away your arms because of the inconvenience of rain or because ye are ill; but take (every) precaution for yourselves. For the Unbelievers Allah hath prepared a humiliating punishment.

Bowing then prostrating

22:26 Behold! We gave the site, to Abraham, of the (Sacred) House, (saying): "Associate not anything (in worship) with Me; and sanctify My House for those who compass it round, or stand up, or bow, or prostrate themselves (therein in prayer).

48:29 Muhammad is the apostle of Allah. and those who are with him are strong against Unbelievers, (but) compassionate amongst each other. Thou wilt see them bow and prostrate themselves (in prayer), seeking Grace from Allah and (His) Good Pleasure. On their faces are their marks, (being) the traces of their prostration.

Times??? Ur hadiths don't give the number of times. If the Quran does not give it either, maybe there is no correct number of times. How long??? Ur hadiths don't explain that either. I just read Al-Fatiha and another passage.

Oh yea, Wudu

5:6 O ye who believe! when ye prepare for prayer, wash your faces, and your hands (and arms) to the elbows; Rub your heads (with water); and (wash) your feet to the ankles. If ye are in a state of ceremonial impurity, bathe your whole body. But if ye are ill, or on a journey, or one of you cometh from offices of nature, or ye have been in contact with women, and ye find no water, then take for yourselves clean sand or earth, and rub therewith your faces and hands, Allah doth not wish to place you in a difficulty, but to make you clean, and to complete his favour to you, that ye may be grateful.

4:43 O ye who believe! Approach not prayers with a mind befogged, until ye can understand all that ye say,- nor in a state of ceremonial impurity (Except when travelling on the road), until after washing your whole body. If ye are ill, or on a journey, or one of you cometh from offices of nature, or ye have been in contact with women, and ye find no water, then take for yourselves clean sand or earth, and rub therewith your faces and hands. For Allah doth blot out sins and forgive again and again.


Oh yea….smoking…..wastes time, is addictive, destroys body, its a drug that opens the way to more drugs. Thats why I believe it is haram.

[FatGeezer]

Do you have ur hadiths tellin u how??

Now let me get one thing clear.....I never said I cannot accept the way Prophet prayed. But is this truly how the Prophet prayed??? If we have to refer to books filled with lies and blasphemy to understand the sunnah of the Muhammed, are we getting the truth on prayer.

BTW, my research.

Start with standing

4:102 When thou (O Messenger. art with them, and standest to lead them in prayer, Let one party of them stand up (in prayer) with thee, Taking their arms with them: When they finish their prostrations, let them Take their position in the rear. And let the other party come up which hath not yet prayed - and let them pray with thee, Taking all precaution, and bearing arms: the Unbelievers wish, if ye were negligent of your arms and your baggage, to assault you in a single rush. But there is no blame on you if ye put away your arms because of the inconvenience of rain or because ye are ill; but take (every) precaution for yourselves. For the Unbelievers Allah hath prepared a humiliating punishment.

Bowing then prostrating

22:26 Behold! We gave the site, to Abraham, of the (Sacred) House, (saying): "Associate not anything (in worship) with Me; and sanctify My House for those who compass it round, or stand up, or bow, or prostrate themselves (therein in prayer).

48:29 Muhammad is the apostle of Allah. and those who are with him are strong against Unbelievers, (but) compassionate amongst each other. Thou wilt see them bow and prostrate themselves (in prayer), seeking Grace from Allah and (His) Good Pleasure. On their faces are their marks, (being) the traces of their prostration.

Times??? Ur hadiths don't give the number of times. If the Quran does not give it either, maybe there is no correct number of times. How long??? Ur hadiths don't explain that either. I just read Al-Fatiha and another passage.

Oh yea, Wudu

5:6 O ye who believe! when ye prepare for prayer, wash your faces, and your hands (and arms) to the elbows; Rub your heads (with water); and (wash) your feet to the ankles. If ye are in a state of ceremonial impurity, bathe your whole body. But if ye are ill, or on a journey, or one of you cometh from offices of nature, or ye have been in contact with women, and ye find no water, then take for yourselves clean sand or earth, and rub therewith your faces and hands, Allah doth not wish to place you in a difficulty, but to make you clean, and to complete his favour to you, that ye may be grateful.

4:43 O ye who believe! Approach not prayers with a mind befogged, until ye can understand all that ye say,- nor in a state of ceremonial impurity (Except when travelling on the road), until after washing your whole body. If ye are ill, or on a journey, or one of you cometh from offices of nature, or ye have been in contact with women, and ye find no water, then take for yourselves clean sand or earth, and rub therewith your faces and hands. For Allah doth blot out sins and forgive again and again.


Oh yea….smoking…..wastes time, is addictive, destroys body, its a drug that opens the way to more drugs. Thats why I believe it is haram.


you went off on a tangent.
Im not asking you WHY u do what you do. at this moment in time im just asking for simple responses so i can get a fuller image of your faith. The time for long responses will be later. at this moment im just trying to learn bout you hence the quickfire questions.

[morning_dew]

OK A lot Of Muslim On here Date..

A few years back I started or tried to become
a Better Muslim,,
Stopped doing a lot of things
Still Noway near yet as being a good Muslim
but i dont wanna be Hardcore Muslim Either

anyway..
Talking about dating and stuff
i was talking to a friend who is dating, ( him and his GF are Muslim )
both very nice people...
but i was saying to him Dating in Islam is Forbidden
and that liking some is not but the actually dating is a sin
even if you Marry them on the end of the day the whole dating is a sin..

a lot of Muslim i know try to remould islam when they get caught up in this
situation and make excuses up to make them feel better
but the bottom line is,, Its a SIN

what do you guys on here that are Muslim and Dating think of this?

:sarb:
im glad you've started this thread.....as the other day i was thinking the same thing!
I've NEVER had a boyfriend...and im not realy interested in a 'boyfriend', (....i just want my prince charming whose gonna love me forever and ever! :love: )....partly because of the religious reasons behind it but also because of the fact that i DONT want to be one of those (typical asian) girls who try to live two lives...one in front of their parents and one behind their backs...i know im not perfect but i've never quite understood how girls can look into their parents eyes and lie, without a shred of guilt...

but IF i did meet someone who would fit their (my parents) criteria and someone i truly believe i'd want to spend the rest of my life with....we'd spend time get to know them as 'friends' ....but it would be with our friend/s around...nothing 'exclusive'....and i believe if he was 'MAN' enough or atleast loved me enough he'd want to talk to my father about it (lol).... i reckon that way noone can say we we're doing anything behind our parents backs.... :dunno:

[asian_guy_786]

Islam should have been updated a while ago. Too many innocent people get hurt over something that was considered sin 1400 years ago by ancient men living in a different time.

updated ...islam never changes for anyone...you talk so much crap...

[FatGeezer]

im glad you've started this thread.....as the other day i was thinking the same thing!
I've NEVER had a boyfriend...and im not realy interested in a 'boyfriend', (....i just want my prince charming whose gonna love me forever and ever! :love: )....partly because of the religious reasons behind it but also because of the fact that i DONT want to be one of those (typical asian) girls who try to live two lives...one in front of their parents and one behind their backs...i know im not perfect but i've never quite understood how girls can look into their parents eyes and lie, without a shred of guilt...

but IF i did meet someone who would fit their (my parents) criteria and someone i truly believe i'd want to spend the rest of my life with....we'd spend time get to know them as 'friends' ....but it would be with our friend/s around...nothing 'exclusive'....and i believe if he was 'MAN' enough or atleast loved me enough he'd want to talk to my father about it (lol).... i reckon that way noone can say we we're doing anything behind our parents backs.... :dunno:

just marry me and become one of my four wives and get it over and done with already....

[selina_786]

am i a sinner for thinking michael jackson is sexy? (btw, i'm muslim)

Can u jus answer a simple question? are u male or female?... im so confused... especially after ur pornstar thread....

[cold-hearted]

i don't see how this no dating thing works, how can you agree to marry someone without even knowing many things about them, it just doesn't make sense to me.

[The Anti Desi]

god, i'm sick of all these mother fucking "is this a sin threads", "is she going to hell for not being a virgin? is that sin if a woman wears shorts? is this a sin if he plays basketball."

if you can't dicern between what is esentially good and what is bad, that i think that is the biggest sin of them all. Untill you realize, what being a "good" person entails, and not worrying about these petty rules..then you are a sinner.

And..I don't understand why people are more concerned with going to hell, then being a good person just for the sake of being good rather then the rewards they will recieve in the afterlife.
They are not gonna get good answers if they go to those e-mullah websites. Its better to talk about religion to friends rather than some dictator turbanhead.

[cash$]

dating is not a sin

allah just dont want people dating cause he knows when a male and a female get together they will end up doing things


if u can date without any touching its ok

[stylo_4444]

dating is not a sin

allah just dont want people dating cause he knows when a male and a female get together they will end up doing things


if u can date without any touching its ok

there u go...because i'm sure u know of a lot of people who date without touching each other.

[cold-hearted]

there u go...because i'm sure u know of a lot of people who date without touching each other.

owned :D

if a guy and girl is not touching each other and have been dating for awhile ... i think it's not a bad idea to break up :D

[royalbengal]

Muslims are mostly hypocrites...

o well back to preaching Islam but geting drunk and fucking for me...(sarcasm)

[stylo_4444]

Muslims are mostly hypocrites...

o well back to preaching Islam but geting drunk and fucking for me...(sarcasm)
It's not just Muslims.

It's all faiths that try to "adjust" religion to their liking.

[Riddemz]

Umar related that the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said, "Not one of you should meet a woman alone unless she is accompanied by a relative (mahram)" (Bukhari/Muslim). The Prophet (peace be upon him) also reportedly said, "Whenever a man is alone with a woman, Satan (Shaytan) is the third among them" (Tirmidhi). When young people are getting to know each other, being alone together is a temptation toward wrongdoing. At all times, Muslims should follow the commands of the Qur'an (24:30-31) to "lower their gaze and guard their modesty...." Islam recognizes that we are human and are given to human weakness, so this rule provides safeguards for our own sake.

as it says
dating itself isn't really a sin
the popping of the cherry and the styling of the doggy that comes with it is.
hugging and kissing (to a certain limit) i wouldn't see as wrongdoing because it isn't sexual (kissing isn't sexual to an extent)

[Lust Buster]

i want to add to this...Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) was illiterate (didn't know how to read or write)..the Quran was revelaed to him by the Angel Gabriel over a period of 20/23 years (please correct me in the number of years if i'm worng)
The process of revelation started when the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) was 40 years old. After each revelation, the Prophet would recite what was revealed and those who could write would take down what he recited. To check what they had written was correct, he would ask one of them to read what was writtent (a segregation of duty type process was followed) and corrections would be made if what was written was wrong...

In the Quran, Allah mentions that he will protect this revelation and not let it be manipulated by men as the Torah and Bible were. Islam cannot be updated with current society cuz Islam in itself is a way of life. You either follow it or u don't. What has to change is the way muslims approach their religion. We need to study it deeper to understand its meaning rather than just blindly follow it. I also think that today people are asking Muslims to change their perspective rather than look at things from a Muslim's perspective.

just end with saying that don't judge a car by its driver..most muslims are not practising Islam the way it is supposed..those born into muslim families will also go to hell if they don't follow Islam in its entirety and Allah forgives whoever He wills..which means that even Non-Muslims could enter ParadiseThe revelation of the Quran lasted 23 years. That's why the prophet died at age 63; the entire Quran was revealed, thus his mission was accomplished.

Going back to the original topic *i keep getting disconnected* You are correct dating is the biggest sin ever. But it is soo difficult to overcome that, and i have so much respect for those who are strong enough to not fall into that trap.

In this society, this generation it is accepted. Muslims don't think twice before they start dating because it seems so natural.

It is the biggest regret of my life to have even gone out with a guy and that regret will always be on my shoulder. I went without dating for nearly 2 years and somehow along the line i just needed to be loved by someone (besides family) Sometimes you feel lonely and when someone comes along that seems near to perfection it's so difficult to restrain yourself unless you are very strong.

Anyways, inshallah Allah guides me through the right path from now on and forgives me for the sins I've committed.Hopefully, this experience has made you stronger, and you learned something from it.

im glad you've started this thread.....as the other day i was thinking the same thing!
I've NEVER had a boyfriend...and im not realy interested in a 'boyfriend', (....i just want my prince charming whose gonna love me forever and ever! :love: )....partly because of the religious reasons behind it but also because of the fact that i DONT want to be one of those (typical asian) girls who try to live two lives...one in front of their parents and one behind their backs...i know im not perfect but i've never quite understood how girls can look into their parents eyes and lie, without a shred of guilt...

but IF i did meet someone who would fit their (my parents) criteria and someone i truly believe i'd want to spend the rest of my life with....we'd spend time get to know them as 'friends' ....but it would be with our friend/s around...nothing 'exclusive'....and i believe if he was 'MAN' enough or atleast loved me enough he'd want to talk to my father about it (lol).... i reckon that way noone can say we we're doing anything behind our parents backs.... :dunno:EXACTLY

You're approach is perfect(well, as perfect as I can think of, you're still human, so you're not perfect).

They are not gonna get good answers if they go to those e-mullah websites. Its better to talk about religion to friends rather than some dictator turbanhead.Most excellently put!

That's the equivalent of asking Joseph Stalin for information on Communism; that would piss the crap out of Karl Marx.

Anti-Desi, keep up the fight against the acceptance of any writing that's equally infallible as the Quran. I got your back on this. Screw Sunnism & Shi'ahism.

as it says
dating itself isn't really a sin
the popping of the cherry and the styling of the doggy that comes with it is.
hugging and kissing (to a certain limit) i wouldn't see as wrongdoing because it isn't sexual (kissing isn't sexual to an extent)Hugging & kissing stimulates lust. Therefore, it's wrong.

[Riddemz]

yes islam is a way of life
but the outer details of life change
and so, the outer details of ours ways also need to
yet the core always stays the same

[Riddemz]

Hugging & kissing stimulates lust. Therefore, it's wrong.

don't you hug your family and give kisses on the cheeks?
i'm hoping that that isn't lust!


but yes i agree if it's meant in a very sexual way

[souwestpaki]

OK A lot Of Muslim On here Date..

A few years back I started or tried to become
a Better Muslim,,
Stopped doing a lot of things
Still Noway near yet as being a good Muslim
but i dont wanna be Hardcore Muslim Either

anyway..
Talking about dating and stuff
i was talking to a friend who is dating, ( him and his GF are Muslim )
both very nice people...
but i was saying to him Dating in Islam is Forbidden
and that liking some is not but the actually dating is a sin
even if you Marry them on the end of the day the whole dating is a sin..

a lot of Muslim i know try to remould islam when they get caught up in this
situation and make excuses up to make them feel better
but the bottom line is,, Its a SIN

what do you guys on here that are Muslim and Dating think of this?

:sarb:


who said dating was sin?

dating is not a sin in islam


yea "kissing" "touching"sex" those are sins

u can go out and talk to a girl have dinner with her, thats not a sin

[Lust Buster]

don't you hug your family and give kisses on the cheeks?
i'm hoping that that isn't lust!


but yes i agree if it's meant in a very sexual wayFemale relatives don't count.

who said dating was sin?

dating is not a sin in islam


yea "kissing" "touching"sex" those are sins

u can go out and talk to a girl have dinner with her, thats not a sinThe guy and girl can't be alone together.

[souwestpaki]

Female relatives don't count.

The guy and girl can't be alone together.


ok thats bullshit

ok even if thats true.


then they can go to a resturant, there are people around there

[Lust Buster]

ok thats bullshit

ok even if thats true.


then they can go to a resturant, there are people around thereYeah, but what about after dinner? They'll be in the car alone if no other friend is chilling with them, provided that one dude is giving the other a ride.

[selina_786]

Lustbuster is correct...



its funny how everyone is changing the religion 2 suit their day to day needs :no:

[cold-hearted]

Lustbuster is correct...



its funny how everyone is changing the religion 2 suit their day to day needs :no:

well that's the only way you won't feel guilty doing stuff ... or just become atheist, that works too :D

[ShivaChrist]

updated ...islam never changes for anyone...you talk so much crap...

Watch your tongue, son. The fact that its my opinion doesn't make it crap. I never said Allah was make-believe. I believe in God and that we all pray to Him differently.

[souwestpaki]

Yeah, but what about after dinner? They'll be in the car alone if no other friend is chilling with them, provided that one dude is giving the other a ride.


well they need to come in their own cars.

[The Anti Desi]

Anti-Desi, are you Ahmadi?
NO!!!!

[The Anti Desi]

lol, wtf this thread has turned into "will he have evil thoughts if a guy is alone with a woman ona date" the answer is ..sure! i mean if he's attracted to the girl and asks her out on a date..then he is obvoiusly lusting after her..but it doesn't mean that if the two of them are alone that they will even kiss or make out..nor does it mean if you seperate them the guy will stop lusting and thinking about screwing her..infact, the more seperation..the more he will think "evil." thoughts. Seperations just makes things worse...and his lust grow stronger...

and just because a regular girl and guy are alone together, doesn't mean they are attracted to eachother and want to fuck. i've been alone with the opposite sex plenty of times..and no sexual tension there, just view them as friends.
:werd:

Keep in mind, lust happens between members of the same sex as well. So I guess that means NO ONE can be friends period :|

[sky_]

who said dating was sin?

dating is not a sin in islam


yea "kissing" "touching"sex" those are sins

u can go out and talk to a girl have dinner with her, thats not a sin

No You Cant,
Who have to have a Family Member Of the girl there
You cant meet her alone

Once again people make excuses to suit there needs

[bootyliciousbaby]

everyone should date
wtf
thas why I DONT FOLLOW THERELIGION allt he rules r messed :neutral:

[HeRsHeE317]

OK A lot Of Muslim On here Date..

A few years back I started or tried to become
a Better Muslim,,
Stopped doing a lot of things
Still Noway near yet as being a good Muslim
but i dont wanna be Hardcore Muslim Either

anyway..
Talking about dating and stuff
i was talking to a friend who is dating, ( him and his GF are Muslim )
both very nice people...
but i was saying to him Dating in Islam is Forbidden
and that liking some is not but the actually dating is a sin
even if you Marry them on the end of the day the whole dating is a sin..

a lot of Muslim i know try to remould islam when they get caught up in this
situation and make excuses up to make them feel better
but the bottom line is,, Its a SIN

what do you guys on here that are Muslim and Dating think of this?

:sarb:
im muslim...i dont date...im anti-dating

'nuff said.

[Muslima786]

everyone should date
wtf
thas why I DONT FOLLOW THERELIGION allt he rules r messed :neutral:
lol why cuz the religion prohibits you in engaging in pre marital sex and relationships that could lead to it (and theres a good reasoning behind all this).......cool.

[Muslima786]

god, is making out, really that EVIL? I can't believe that this has turned into an argument on whether or not a man and woman would "fall to temptations' if they are alone together.
theres potential for it.

[bootyliciousbaby]

lol why cuz the religion prohibits you in engaging in pre marital sex and relationships that could lead to it (and theres a good reasoning behind all this).......cool.

awhh i guess ...lol

[HeRsHeE317]

lol why cuz the religion prohibits you in engaging in pre marital sex and relationships that could lead to it (and theres a good reasoning behind all this).......cool.
:werd: took a while for me to ge tit but im hijabi now so woot :joy:

[sky_]

everyone should date
wtf
thas why I DONT FOLLOW THERELIGION all the rules r messed :neutral:

That's Your Opinion and you should do what you want

BUT
Just cos you wanna date
doesn't make all religions Messed up..

that has to be the Stupidest answer on this thread for dating

[Muslima786]

:werd: took a while for me to ge tit but im hijabi now so woot :joy:
same here :)

[HeRsHeE317]

:gayfight: how long u bin wearing it? :)

[Muslima786]

:gayfight: how long u bin wearing it? :)
lol...about 6-7 months now and you? dude we should talk.

[bootyliciousbaby]

That's Your Opinion and you should do what you want

BUT
Just cos you wanna date
doesn't make all religions Messed up..

that has to be the Stupidest answer on this thread for dating

ididnt say all religions were stupid
so dnt even think for once I THINK ALL RELIGIONS R STUPID

[HeRsHeE317]

i started in may...tahts like june july august september october....5 months...hey we didnt start too far apart :kekeke:

yes we should talk... got aim? :)

[Muslima786]

um, no. i've been alone with the opposite sex plenty of times..because I viewed them as a "friend" and not a "sexual object." Only a horny bastard (who is extremely horny)will get "lusty" everytime he is alone with a girl or vice versa. I mean you aren't attracted to EVERY girl you see? And, like anti-desi said, what about homosexual men? Are you allowed to be alone with them?
like i said theres a potential for it to occur...maybe you can be extra horny that day...anyways in Islam we shuldnt b taking risks in such situations...and thus it is prohibitied. the whole homosexual part...well if ur aware of the fact that they r homosexuals you should be cautious around them but then again the stance on this is not clear and im not here to pass fatwas.

[bootyliciousbaby]

what she means is...lots of people miscontrue organized religion particularly monothesistic religions and get caught up in the "rules" and being a "sinner" instead of focusing on the true values of being a good person and respecting humanity..they miss the spiritual aspect....

thank u :p

[Muslima786]

i started in may...tahts like june july august september october....5 months...hey we didnt start too far apart :kekeke:

yes we should talk... got aim? :)
lol may yea thats when i started... cool yea i got aim...ill PM it holup.

[Muslima786]

what she means is...lots of people miscontrue organized religion particularly monothesistic religions and get caught up in the "rules" and being a "sinner" instead of focusing on the true values of being a good person and respecting humanity..they miss the spiritual aspect....
the rules are there in order for one to abide by them and consequently become a good person...plus a religion without rules would fall apart...rules are a form of a guidance and distinguishes the good from the bad.

[bootyliciousbaby]

the rules are there in order for one to abide by them and consequently become a good person...plus a religion without rules would fall apart...rules are a form of a guidance and distinguishes the good from the bad.

ppl can b more spirittual

[sky_]

ididnt say all religions were stupid
so dnt even think for once I THINK ALL RELIGIONS R STUPID

That another Stupid Answer,
I can Only answer to what you write
I cant read you thoughts and what your thinking

what she means is...lots of people miscontrue organized religion particularly monothesistic religions and get caught up in the "rules" and being a "sinner" instead of focusing on the true values of being a good person and respecting humanity..they miss the spiritual aspect....

Now this person Make pure sense to me

[HeRsHeE317]

lol may yea thats when i started... cool yea i got aim...ill PM it holup.
il check it 2morrow im out..really tired :wavey:

[bootyliciousbaby]

That another Stupid Answer,
I can Only answer to what you write
I cant read you thoughts and what your thinking



Now this person Make pure sense to me

plz u sound like an idiot now
u obviously dont kno wats goin on in my mind

[Muslima786]

ppl can b more spirittual
how so...define spirtuality...plus spirtuality can be relative...anyways following rules and spirituality can coincide in a given a religion.

[bootyliciousbaby]

how so...define spirtuality...plus spirtuality can be relative...anyways following rules and spirituality can coincide in a given a religion.

all im sayn is that how do u really kno all of this exsists?
u can pray to god anyway u like, as long asure happy, u dont need to stop doing humanly acts to b religious
u can pray and do everything, and still have faith in god!

[Muslima786]

people get caught up and focus on the rules instead of understanding the meaning of the rules and why it is in place..and instead of focusing on whether or not tohelp thier fellow man, they keep asking questions like "am i a sinner" only cause they are too concerned with thier own well-being in the afterlife to gurantee them a spot in heaven..that is selfish to me, and being selfish is a sin.

well i guess this breaksdown to perspectives...IMO spirituality and following the rules have a reciprocal relationship...or even a cause and effect relationship...i dont know how u ended up equating the whole selfish part to following the rules...what if one of the rules in place is help out mankind, not be selfish, treat orphans with kindness...rules are there as a criterion and are more direct then mere spirituality where individuals come up with their own ways of attaining spirtuality...rules are direct in the sense that they are set by God so subsquently we know what God wants from us.

[bootyliciousbaby]

well i guess this breaksdown to perspectives...IMO spirituality and following the rules have a reciprocal relationship...or even a cause and effect relationship...i dont know how u ended up equating the whole selfish part to following the rules...what if one of the rules in place is help out mankind, not be selfish, treat orphans with kindness...rules are there as a criterion and are more direct then mere spirituality where individuals come up with their own ways of attaining spirtuality...rules are direct in the sense that they are set by God so subsquently we know what God wants from us.

not dating is unrealistic in this time of day

[Muslima786]

all im sayn is that how do u really kno all of this exsists?
u can pray to god anyway u like, as long asure happy, u dont need to stop doing humanly acts to b religious
u can pray and do everything, and still have faith in god!
ok ur reaching redundancy

[HeRsHeE317]

not dating is unrealistic in this time of day
says the brainwashed kid of the 21st century

[Muslima786]

see, this is what people mean, by the rules need to change in order to apply to a modern society. You can't instant message a girl because that would seperate you from the forum and in essense you would be talking "alone with her" even if that means through an online connection. Therefore, it can be interperted that you are "sinning" by being alone with a girl and are lusting after her..potential for "cybering..."

now..see what people mean..by the rules may not apply to modern society.
lol i am a girl LMAO

[Muslima786]

but ur right even online connections between two opposite sexes can create that environment.. (dammit i shouldnt be talking) but yea thats how it is.

[bootyliciousbaby]

ok ur reaching redundancy

i guess its cuz i don believe in it lol
i jus dont get why we cant do anything in this religion....hug a person...date a person....even touch a person..SOMONE TOLD ME u cant even touch the opposite sex...

[MR2Turbo]

Damn you stupid morons are still discussing this shit!?

Let it go already. there are more things to worry about like the poor little kids that will be used as SEX SLAVES and PROSTITUTES by some haramis from europe, china, and the middle east!

What about the poor kids?

Does it really make a difference who dates and who doesnt in the grand scheme of things?

[bootyliciousbaby]

says the brainwashed kid of the 21st century

im not brain washed
its juss my kinda ppl dont follow the quran (ismialis)
we more modern


from wat i kno lol

[sky_]

plz u sound like an idiot now
u obviously dont kno wats goin on in my mind
Listen Please have something to Intelligent to say
stick to the topic
this is not about Mind reading and guessing what you think
we can only respond to what you write
everyone should date
wtf
thas why I DONT FOLLOW THER ELIGION all the rules r messed
Going back to your earlier Quote
Just because the dating part doesn't agree with you
in your mind the whole religion is messed up.
Your too clever for this Planet

[Muslima786]

Damn you stupid morons are still discussing this shit!?

Let it go already. there are more things to worry about like the poor little kids that will be used as SEX SLAVES and PROSTITUTES by some haramis from europe, china, and the middle east!

What about the poor kids?

Does it really make a difference who dates and who doesnt in the grand scheme of things?
the issues are distinct so contextualize here...you can go make a thread about the sex slaves...us discussing this wont take away the potency of that issue and likewise...each sin is distinct cant compare apples and oranges.

[bootyliciousbaby]

Listen Please have something to Intelligent to say
stick to the topic
this is not about Mind reading and guessing what you think
we can only respond to what you write
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Going back to your earlier Quote
Just because the dating part doesn't agree with you
in your mind the whole religion is messed up.
Your too clever for this Planet

ure the one who sed it
anyways who cares u didnt say anywhere in the forum to speak INTELLEGENTLY
lol
im not too clever for this planet
just bcuz i dont follow the religion bcuz i don understand why u cant do jack shit?

[HeRsHeE317]

im not brain washed
its juss my kinda ppl dont follow the quran (ismialis)
we more modern


from wat i kno lol
yes u are modern. Islam is a religion that dosent move wiht time. if you looked at every aspect of Islam, you will see how it does for a perfect lifestyle. its hard to do in times like these but its still doable. you cant say that oh we have to be modern because everyone else is. if thats the case, what makes us different from then, other thent he fact that we dont eat pork?

[bootyliciousbaby]

yes u are modern. Islam is a religion that dosent move wiht time. if you looked at every aspect of Islam, you will see how it does for a perfect lifestyle. its hard to do in times like these but its still doable. you cant say that oh we have to be modern because everyone else is. if thats the case, what makes us different from then, other thent he fact that we dont eat pork?


im not sayino u gotta b mmodern nd stuff

im a shia ismiali nd like its as if we totally diff religions yet some how we all the same
sept i went religious classes for 13 yrs nd they never taught us any of thisstuff
like they sed it aint manditory for us to fast during ramadan
yet every other muslim dus or is suppost to

[HeRsHeE317]

5 pillars of islam include fasting. how can u have a basic islamic foundation if u dont follow the 5 pillars?

[Muslima786]

rules can be mis-interperted and may not apply to modern society. I listed my example in my prior post to this. And, my point was a lot of people follow the rules in essense -because they are concerned with thier own-well being in the afterlife. Instead of asking questions like "am I going to hell for not wearing a hijab" they should be asking "hmm, how should i help that orphan" etc..etc.., If someone can't distinguish what is essentially good or bad..then they don't understand why the rules are in place..and if you follow a rule blindly, then your efforts of gaining spirituality are fuitile.

ah well now your discussing the whole practice of bending the rules to fit ones own convinience and are you implying that should be grounds enough to completely dismiss the concept of rules. again there are rules for everything...even in our society and micro levels of our functioning there are rules set for everything...rules are intrinsic part of our society and are a form of guidance...the difference btw good and bad is ingrained in these rules we have set for ourselves. in this context we are discussing divine rules...rules set for us by God (if ur Muslim you have to acknowledge this) again one is never following a rule blindly...in Islam theres a reasoning behind every rule in place and Muslims should be aware of this reasoning before following the rules. and rules and spirtuality like i said have a reciprocal relationship they can coincide in a religion.

[Muslima786]

and you can wear a hijab and help the orphans out at the same time.

[HeRsHeE317]

if you not a product of the 21st century, then why did you previously have a picture of yourself (on a cyber network)if that is against islam to promote sexuality..since anyone who puts a picture of themselves on this site is promoting thier own sexuality and wanting to get rated on thier looks...vanity which is a sin in islam? Just a quick question.., good job on the 7.3 though, thats pretty high..
thats b4 i was hijabi and what not...like a year ago or something

[bootyliciousbaby]

5 pillars of islam include fasting. how can u have a basic islamic foundation if u dont follow the 5 pillars?

that is wat i dont understand
wat r the other 4 lol

we fast on beejh
if u kno wat that is im not sure if i spelt it right

[HeRsHeE317]

praying shahada fasting zakah hajj

[Muslima786]

if you not a product of the 21st century, then why did you previously have a picture of yourself (on a cyber network)if that is against islam to promote sexuality..since anyone who puts a picture of themselves on this site is promoting thier own sexuality and wanting to get rated on thier looks...vanity which is a sin in islam? Just a quick question.., good job on the 7.3 though, thats pretty high..
lol lets not resort to personal insults here....Islam is Islam...this is off topic...the actions of the followers of Islaam does not hinder what Islam is about. lets stick to the topic since we are discussing "Islaam" here

[bootyliciousbaby]

praying shahada fasting zakah hajj

wats zakah hajj

[HeRsHeE317]

ill explain later i g2g sorryyy

[Muslima786]

wats zakah hajj
zakat- charity

hajj- pilgrimage

[bootyliciousbaby]

zakat- charity

hajj- pilgrimage

oh okie
yeah i do charity
pilgrimage i dont htink its a nessissity for us
i mean like not US as in u nd me
us as in the ismialis

[sky_]

ure the one who sed it
anyways who cares u didnt say anywhere in the forum to speak INTELLEGENTLY
lol
im not too clever for this planet
just bcuz i dont follow the religion bcuz i don understand why u cant do jack shit?

I don't Have Problems with Non Believers
as you said yourself the Whole Religion Is messed up
I don't have a problem with you or what you do with your life

But if you say something against the religion
like ITS ALL MESSED UP
then i am going to have a problem with it..

if you don't believe it fair enough
but why on your Profile do you have MUSLIM under Religion
if the whole religion is messed up, and if you say you follow Islam
you gonna sound stupid cos you gonna just contradict yourself

[bootyliciousbaby]

I don't Have Problems with Non Believers
as you said yourself the Whole Religion Is messed up
I don't have a problem with you or what you do with your life

But if you say something against the religion
like ITS ALL MESSED UP
then i am going to have a problem with it..

if you don't believe it fair enough
but why on your Profile do you have MUSLIM under Religion
if the whole religion is messed up, and if you say you follow Islam
you gonna sound stupid cos you gonna just contradict yourself

bcuz i was raised as a muslim?? lol
i just dont follow it as much as u do i guess haha

[Muslima786]

I'm not talkin about bending the rules to suit one's own conveniance..even though everybody does since nobody is perfect.., BUT< you can't follow faith blindly you must question it in order to gain understanding of it.but, like I stated with my "cyber" example, you never know how they may apply to you, since the definitions of the rules may vary when applied to a modern world. Now, lots of people don't know the reason behind the rule..hence why people keep posting questions on this site..if you don't know the reason of the "sin" then why follow it? Like I said before the real meaning remains fuitile if you don't know the reason behind the rule.

and all rules may become outdated..in a society.It's illegal to murder..we all know the reason of this..because that is taking another human beings life..However, it is also illegal to spit in Texas. Some people may blindly follow this rule and not know why that is illegal.Well, in the 1800's there was rampant disease and spitting caused the disease to prosper..well this is no longer true in modern times but the rule is still in place..Now, back to my earlier mention of murder..if one does not know why murdering is "bad" but still adheres to the rule because they don't want to go to jail, then they are just as bad as an actual murderer because they don't realize the value behind the concept..
religious rules are securely established

rules of society are subject to change..

now if you believe that Islamic rules and modern society clash then thats a whole another topic

as for you example about how Islamic rules cant be applied in a modern society in some instances such as the internet...then its best for us Muslims to collectively based on our discretion decide what the Islamic stance on that one issue...but IMO Islamic rules are applicable to modern society. Even though it doesnt state explicitly in the Quran that non-mehrams cant chat in the internet...through logical deduction of the rule in place regarding non mehram relationship one can arrive to the conclusion that non mehram interaction over the internet is to a certain extent. prohibited.

[Muslima786]

hahaha,yeah, but isn't islam about following rules? as musilmina said...., then let me take the devils advocate here..and whats the point of following islam if your not following the rules?--oh yeah this question is to hershey...

yes Islam is about following the rules...but thats her personal business (since theres no shariah law in place)...she like all of us answers to God...but as a Muslim I suggest that one should personally advice their fellow Muslims bros/sis on such matters instead of outrightly penalizing them.

[Muslima786]

your the one that first made an analogy between societys rules and the koran's..., and you see my point with the interpertation in modern society factor based on the internet example....

2.)-well...then I guess a lot of people on this site are sinners....
yes i did and im answering ur position regarding "the definitions of the rules may vary when applied to a modern world"

2) we all r sinners.

[Muslima786]

anyways im off now...tc salaams.

[Muslima786]

correct-so what makes one sinner "worse" then the next...., you can't equate "dating" to "murder"...
i never did...each sin carries its own weight, implications and penalty...doesnt mean we should engage in a certain sin because it is frivilous in our opinion.