Should or Shouldn't Muslims!

[Enammmmm]

Should or Shouldn't Muslims start fasting together?????????

I believe us Muslims should start fasting together, what is all this crap with different communities and cities starting Ramadaan together... isnt Ramadaan just 1 month starting one 1 day with the moon sighting, I just cant believe this... where is the UNITY that is supposed to be in our blood to do such a simple thing that is so important at the same time...


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[amirkhan]

true dat :neutral: when you start?

[nyczpakiprince]

yeah yo wordddd up

itz so f*cked up to see everyone startin on different dayz and then celebrating eid on different dayz and shit

if we do it all as one it'll be phenomenal :no:

[mwahhhhhhhh]

Should or Shouldn't Muslims start fasting together?????????

I believe us Muslims should start fasting together, what is all this crap with different communities and cities starting Ramadaan together... isnt Ramadaan just 1 month starting one 1 day with the moon sighting, I just cant believe this... where is the UNITY that is supposed to be in our blood to do such a simple thing that is so important at the same time...


:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
thye shud start 2gether.... wer all meant 2 follow da saudia calender if its da 1 of da mont then we start but i find maily pakis dont use da saudia moon they use some other 1

[Enammmmm]

I started today and this moron has the nerve to tell me that they have the right to start tomorrow... why should one brother starve and the other eats and waits a day later... I told him that it matters when Mecca sees moon and obviously Mecca has spotted the moon already.

:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

[rina199]

erm am new 2 dis so am jus testing it out
but yeh every muslim should fast togever on da same day cuz den every1 has da same eid day

[mwahhhhhhhh]

erm am new 2 dis so am jus testing it out
but yeh every muslim should fast togever on da same day cuz den every1 has da same eid day
but last yr all muslims started fastin same day but da pakis did eid a day later wtf

[Enammmmm]

I dont think its only the pakis.. now its bengalis too.. damn them!

[mwahhhhhhhh]

I dont think its only the pakis.. now its bengalis too.. damn them!
r u bengali or pki

[Enammmmm]

Im bengali, i dont like to diss other nationalities, i dont think I have the right to.. na mean.

[mwahhhhhhhh]

Im bengali, i dont like to diss other nationalities, i dont think I have the right to.. na mean.
i c but its still mainly pakis

[Enammmmm]

well FUNK THEM n FUNK WHOEVER DOESNT want to fast on the day the other muslims are fasting.......... :mad:

its funny how Bangladesh, Pakistan, India will all fast on the same DAY! TOGETHER! but nooooooooo... in the GREAT USA! we gotta do it on diff days .... they should be SHOT! :Pelvic2:

[reaz]

I started today and this moron has the nerve to tell me that they have the right to start tomorrow... why should one brother starve and the other eats and waits a day later... I told him that it matters when Mecca sees moon and obviously Mecca has spotted the moon already.

:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:


well it's supposed to start when the moon is sighted.. makkah is on the other side of the globe. they might sight the moon but that doesnt mean this side of the earth will. in which case it's fine to start a day later. you needn't worry about it.

[reaz]

well FUNK THEM n FUNK WHOEVER DOESNT want to fast on the day the other muslims are fasting.......... :mad:

its funny how Bangladesh, Pakistan, India will all fast on the same DAY! TOGETHER! but nooooooooo... in the GREAT USA! we gotta do it on diff days .... they should be SHOT! :Pelvic2:


you're out of your mind. the world does not have to fast on the same day if they dont sight the moon. you have to understand the difference in geographical position does affect the moon sighting.

[Adz4eva]

Yeah I agree to promote unity it would be good if its done together but im not 100% familiar with the hadith relating to the issue of moon sightings so I cant really comment.

For those who follow saudi, do you also pray your namaaz the same time saudi does? Even if your thousands of miles away in a totally different time zone?

[bill]

:roflbow:

The creator of this thread is a bona fide genius.

[Enammmmm]

Yeah I agree to promote unity it would be good if its done together but im not 100% familiar with the hadith relating to the issue of moon sightings so I cant really comment.

For those who follow saudi, do you also pray your namaaz the same time saudi does? Even if your thousands of miles away in a totally different time zone?

Well u see as far as I KNOW and I BELIEVE... The Quran Preaches we believe in rules/laws/orders by Mecca because we are Muslim , about prayers.. that is according to the sun for the AREA where the person is to pray. But for the month of Ramadaan and Fasting TOGETHER is our duty , we must do everything together as much as possible... this doesnt relate the MOON to the location of the person.. its about when the moon is sighted at Mecca... correct me if im wrong , PLEASE. :sarb:

[bill]

Unbelievable...

[reaz]

Well u see as far as I KNOW and I BELIEVE... The Quran Preaches we believe in rules/laws/orders by Mecca because we are Muslim , about prayers.. that is according to the sun for the AREA where the person is to pray. But for the month of Ramadaan and Fasting TOGETHER is our duty , we must do everything together as much as possible... this doesnt relate the MOON to the location of the person.. its about when the moon is sighted at Mecca... correct me if im wrong , PLEASE. :sarb:

yes. who cares about the rest of the world. Mecca's the real deal.. right?

[Enammmmm]

abbay OYE

chup

lol me n u are both fasting tomm hahah

Ey ur back! ur back again to tease me arent u! :(

[reaz]

Unbelievable...

at first i thought there was hope..

[Enammmmm]

yes. who cares about the rest of the world. Mecca's the real deal.. right?

Mecca ISNT?

[vaatyaar]

Well u see as far as I KNOW and I BELIEVE... The Quran Preaches we believe in rules/laws/orders by Mecca because we are Muslim , about prayers.. that is according to the sun for the AREA where the person is to pray. But for the month of Ramadaan and Fasting TOGETHER is our duty , we must do everything together as much as possible... this doesnt relate the MOON to the location of the person.. its about when the moon is sighted at Mecca... correct me if im wrong , PLEASE. :sarb:


you're wrong. it is based on the moon sighting in that particular geographical area, like reaz already mentioned. p.s. moon sighting is an oxymoron as we shouldn't be able to see a new moon .. if you do see a thin crescent, then it isn't the start of a new lunar month yet.

[Enammmmm]

:roflbow:

The creator of this thread is a bona fide genius.


What u trying to imply? *raises eyebrow*

[reaz]

Mecca ISNT?

isnt it the centre of the universe?

[umr420]

Should or Shouldn't Muslims start fasting together?????????

I believe us Muslims should start fasting together, what is all this crap with different communities and cities starting Ramadaan together... isnt Ramadaan just 1 month starting one 1 day with the moon sighting, I just cant believe this... where is the UNITY that is supposed to be in our blood to do such a simple thing that is so important at the same time...


:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

lol u realli cnt do that tho, its not bout unity its bout reality, islam goes by da luner calender, so we havta follow dat, i mean, if it wuz bout unity we would all b prayin da 5 prayers, at exactly da same time, but das jus not realistic, cuz den u would be like prayin maghrib, durin fajr time, it jus cnt work like dat

[bill]

What u trying to imply? *raises eyebrow*

Ask your unified muslim brothers to help you see through the challenge of my post on the internets.

[reaz]

you're wrong. it is based on the moon sighting in that particular geographical area, like reaz already mentioned. p.s. moon sighting is an oxymoron as we shouldn't be able to see a new moon .. if you do see a thin crescent, then it isn't the start of a new lunar month yet.


you're right about that though.. you wont be able to see the new moon. however, if during our prophet's time they were looking to see the crescent so should we. does it matter if it doesnt fit the accurate definition of "new moon". :)

[Enammmmm]

:gay:

lol

no yes for today


im leaving and im gonna be naik for a month...

well Ill try :p

Girl please.. u know u cant leave rd for 1 day... u addict.. put ur patch back on.

[Adz4eva]

Well u see as far as I KNOW and I BELIEVE... The Quran Preaches we believe in rules/laws/orders by Mecca because we are Muslim , about prayers.. that is according to the sun for the AREA where the person is to pray. But for the month of Ramadaan and Fasting TOGETHER is our duty , we must do everything together as much as possible... this doesnt relate the MOON to the location of the person.. its about when the moon is sighted at Mecca... correct me if im wrong , PLEASE. :sarb:

Can you please post some verses/chapters to back that up? Thought not.

You mean well, I know, but please dont say the Quran says this, and we are meant to do this and this, without proving it. I dont think you intended to make things up as you go along but thats what it seems like you are doing.

[Enammmmm]

Ask your unified muslim brothers to help you see through the challenge of my post on the internets.

that is the problem yaaaar we aint unified na meannnnn but we need to be......

and about ur challenge of ur posts on the internet


oooooh im "skurred" *shreiks*

[larki_jatti]

you're out of your mind. the world does not have to fast on the same day if they dont sight the moon. you have to understand the difference in geographical position does affect the moon sighting.
xactly

[Enammmmm]

* I aint messsin with no gold digga * ITS In my head

but yah I can

lol


rememeber juss say no :p

can we be secret eid pals

Hahaha maybe....... i am listenin to that song.. what a KoinkIDInk!

[umr420]

Can you please post some verses/chapters to back that up? Thought not.

You mean well, I know, but please dont say the Quran says this, and we are meant to do this and this, without proving it. I dont think you intended to make things up as you go along but thats what it seems like you are doing.

dude do u pray namaz wid da same timings as in saudi arabia?? no, so u cnt realli be unified in every aspect

[bill]

that is the problem yaaaar we aint unified na meannnnn but we need to be......

and about ur challenge of ur posts on the internet


oooooh im "skurred" *shreiks*

...


Seriously.

[asquared]

well FUNK THEM n FUNK WHOEVER DOESNT want to fast on the day the other muslims are fasting.......... :mad:

its funny how Bangladesh, Pakistan, India will all fast on the same DAY! TOGETHER! but nooooooooo... in the GREAT USA! we gotta do it on diff days .... they should be SHOT! :Pelvic2:

You're so called "fasting" and talking shit about other ppl WOW ur really following everything Islam teaches you!!!

"Dumb and Ignorent thread"

[Enammmmm]

isnt it the centre of the universe?

For Islam its one of the MAIN SOURCE.

[reaz]

Can you please post some verses/chapters to back that up? Thought not.

You mean well, I know, but please dont say the Quran says this, and we are meant to do this and this, without proving it. I dont think you intended to make things up as you go along but thats what it seems like you are doing.

Shi'ites follow based on sightings in Iran apparently. Is this true? Don't intend to flame anyone but just want to know if it's true.

[asquared]

you're wrong. it is based on the moon sighting in that particular geographical area, like reaz already mentioned. p.s. moon sighting is an oxymoron as we shouldn't be able to see a new moon .. if you do see a thin crescent, then it isn't the start of a new lunar month yet.

Exactly ahat she/he said

[vaatyaar]

dude you really need to stop now. if you are really this confused, I'd suggest you go talk to a knowledgeable scholar, an imam, and at the very least, go read the Qu'ran and hadiths. And what another poster said is right.. how can you call for unity and then degrade other muslims with the f* word?

[asquared]

you're wrong. it is based on the moon sighting in that particular geographical area, like reaz already mentioned. p.s. moon sighting is an oxymoron as we shouldn't be able to see a new moon .. if you do see a thin crescent, then it isn't the start of a new lunar month yet.

Exactly what she/he said

[Enammmmm]

You're so called "fasting" and talking shit about other ppl WOW ur really following everything Islam teaches you!!!

"Dumb and Ignorent thread"

its amazing how u had to create another ID to talk shit....

and my so called talking "shit" deals with FASTING.. MORON.

[vaatyaar]

Shi'ites follow based on sightings in Iran apparently. Is this true? Don't intend to flame anyone but just want to know if it's true.


shi'ites are very ethno-geographically-centered, from what I've heard - but regarding fasting, I don't see why they should change that particular aspect. The same applies for Qadiyanis.

[Adz4eva]

dude do u pray namaz wid da same timings as in saudi arabia?? no, so u cnt realli be unified in every aspect

Why you quoting me, then repeating exactly what I said earlier? :sarb:

[reaz]

For Islam its one of the MAIN SOURCE.

yea.. whatever.. islam was not designed for mecca.. it was designed for everyone..

[reaz]

shi'ites are very ethno-geographically-centered, from what I've heard - but regarding fasting, I don't see why they should change that particular aspect. The same applies for Qadiyanis.


See... I wasn't sure.. I heard something of the sort and wasn't sure when they started their fasting.. I dont know much about specific sects such as Qadiyanis.. first time i heard about them actually..

[larki_jatti]

FASTING STARTS WHEN YOU SEE THE MOON

NOT ISNA

NOT SAUDI

:hand:

[bill]

yea.. whatever.. islam was not designed for mecca.. it was designed for everyone..

Shut up you ingorantz, everyone knows muslims follow all the rules of saudi arabia!11!!1

[asquared]

its amazing how u had to create another ID to talk shit....

and my so called talking "shit" deals with FASTING.. MORON.

What's ur point??
And I'm not who u "think" Bitch (I can swear cuz i'm not fasting becuz i follow the moon sighting in Tonronto)

[vaatyaar]

sup bill.. remember me?

[reaz]

FASTING STARTS WHEN YOU SEE THE MOON

NOT ISNA

NOT SAUDI

:hand:

true. basically if someone in your location sees it and this can be verified, it should be good enough to start..

[reaz]

Shut up you ingorantz, everyone knows muslims follow all the rules of saudi arabia!11!!1

Saudi ZindaBAD!

[bill]

sup bill.. remember me?

I do, just a bit though - you used to post under another ID right?

[bill]

Saudi ZindaBAD!

They are such model muslims! Especially the royal family!

[vaatyaar]

rdz perhaps?

[bill]

rdz perhaps?

That's the one!

Long time brotherman, where you been?

[asquared]

They are such model muslims! Especially the royal family!

I know right like u know how Islam allows u 4 wives they take dat to the next level and marry like 50 women :Pelvic2: and have like 3000 kids...........the more muslims the better!! :dance3: :rolleyes:

[morning_dew]

Should or Shouldn't Muslims start fasting together?????????

I believe us Muslims should start fasting together, what is all this crap with different communities and cities starting Ramadaan together... isnt Ramadaan just 1 month starting one 1 day with the moon sighting, I just cant believe this... where is the UNITY that is supposed to be in our blood to do such a simple thing that is so important at the same time...


:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
in the mosque we attend everyone's been told to fast today (and OMG I am freakin STARVING! only 38 mins to go tho! :neutral: ) but there's another mosque only 0.5 mile away and they're starting it tomorrow :?: :!: :sarb:

[Enammmmm]

yea.. whatever.. islam was not designed for mecca.. it was designed for everyone..

tell me something are u even Muslim? who in da hek said ISLAM WAS DESIGNED FOR MECCA.. MECCA IS OUR START HOME... dont mess with it man just let it go.... if u cant have a proper convo with facts.. just... STEP ! :dance3:

[bill]

tell me something are u even Muslim? who in da hek said ISLAM WAS DESIGNED FOR MECCA.. MECCA IS OUR START HOME... dont mess with it man just let it go.... if u cant have a proper convo with facts.. just... STEP ! :dance3:

:roflbow:

This guy is too much.

[larki_jatti]

haha useless junk and flame :p

ps- to the starter of the thread... why pose it as a question and discussion topic if ur not open to anyones opinions?

[asquared]

tell me something are u even Muslim? who in da hek said ISLAM WAS DESIGNED FOR MECCA.. MECCA IS OUR START HOME... dont mess with it man just let it go.... if u cant have a proper convo with facts.. just... STEP ! :dance3:

YOU'RE 24 and you still don't know jack about the simple rulz of How we're supposed to fast ah soo sad :(

[Enammmmm]

in the mosque we attend everyone's been told to fast today (and OMG I am freakin STARVING! only 38 mins to go tho! :neutral: ) but there's another mosque only 0.5 mile away and they're starting it tomorrow :?: :!: :sarb:
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now tell me... is that right???? is it ISLAMIC to do so?

[asquared]

I've been on this site since june and didn't find a thread worth wasting my time on but BING FOUND ONE, I'ts funny how ppl think they know shit

[reaz]

tell me something are u even Muslim? who in da hek said ISLAM WAS DESIGNED FOR MECCA.. MECCA IS OUR START HOME... dont mess with it man just let it go.... if u cant have a proper convo with facts.. just... STEP ! :dance3:

START HOME? what's that? FOB talk?


please. Mecca is where the Kabah is. It's where Islam started out. Fine, it deserves reverence. But our religion does not teach us to worship Mecca. We do not have to blindly follow Mecca.

the Quran does not ask us to follow Mecca.

Btw, ma'am you're the one having an improper convo since you've not posted a single fact since the start. you've just posted your opinions.

[asquared]

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now tell me... is that right???? is it ISLAMIC to do so?
OHHHHHHHHHMYYYYYYYYGGGGOOOOOOOOAAASSSSSSSSSHHHHHHH HHHH YOU DIDN'T LEARN ANYTHING FROM ALL THE POSTS PPL HAVE PUT UP i'm starting to think that maybe youre the moron :rolleyes:

[Enammmmm]

YOU'RE 24 and you still don't know jack about the simple rulz of How we're supposed to fast ah soo sad :(

uh... i wasnt aiming at anyone in particular when i said YOU!!!HAHA BUT YOU!! i dont know who da hell u are, and i dont even care... and ur aiming at me in particular .. and my age.. awww poor old me... and i dont know my rules..... and uh... so all this hype n tention towards me for????? exactly.... if its personal... come n do it in person... it is not a threat.. it is a request.
:Pelvic2:

[Enammmmm]

START HOME? what's that? FOB talk?


please. Mecca is where the Kabah is. It's where Islam started out. Fine, it deserves reverence. But our religion does not teach us to worship Mecca. We do not have to blindly follow Mecca.

the Quran does not ask us to follow Mecca.

Btw, ma'am you're the one having an improper convo since you've not posted a single fact since the start. you've just posted your opinions.

dorkus... first of all im a guy... ya so i wrote START HOME wrong... OUR FIRST HOME.. there.. better? and ISLAM doesnt teach us to worship Mecca? uhhh so why is it we pray towards IT?? :lollol:

[Enammmmm]

I've been on this site since june and didn't find a thread worth wasting my time on but BING FOUND ONE, I'ts funny how ppl think they know shit

ITS FUNNY that this is wasting ur time, but yet ur still on this thread... im sure BILL enjoys it much more than u though... fellow brethren!

[reaz]

dorkus... first of all im a guy... ya so i wrote START HOME wrong... OUR FIRST HOME.. there.. better? and ISLAM doesnt teach us to worship Mecca? uhhh so why is it we pray towards IT?? :lollol:

Because we were instructed to. Atleast there is some documented proof of that. you havent posted anything about being instructed to follow Mecca with regards to fasting.

Pardon my mistake. Enam is usually a female name.

you might think Mecca is your first home. Mecca certainly doesnt think so.

[Enammmmm]

I know right like u know how Islam allows u 4 wives they take dat to the next level and marry like 50 women :Pelvic2: and have like 3000 kids...........the more muslims the better!! :dance3: :rolleyes:


and ur preaching about ISLAM?? GET OUT MAN/WOMAN whatever u are.... ISLAM never laid a statement where it said MUSLIMS CAN HAVE 4 wives.... the 4 or even more wives issue was concerning the JIHADS/HOLY WARS... when Muslim men who were killed and had wives and grown daughters were married off to Other muslim men... get ur facts straight man... just cuz the wrong followers have 4 wives doesnt mean its right with ISLAM.

[Enammmmm]

Because we were instructed to. Atleast there is some documented proof of that. you havent posted anything about being instructed to follow Mecca with regards to fasting.

Pardon my mistake. Enam is usually a female name.

you might think Mecca is your first home. Mecca certainly doesnt think so.

oh so now u want proof... and by the way i never said to follow MECCA with regards to fasting, THE QURAN tells us to follow MECCA ... have u gotten it yet? its not my words.. its implied by our Holy Quran.

[Sweet Miasma]

dorkus... first of all im a guy... ya so i wrote START HOME wrong... OUR FIRST HOME.. there.. better? and ISLAM doesnt teach us to worship Mecca? uhhh so why is it we pray towards IT?? :lollol:


ur such an idiot :no:
praying towards Makkah and worshipping it is TWO DIFFERENT things and no we dont worship the Kaba...we only pray toward it....

and its hadith...ur supposed to start ramadan according to the moon sighting in your area....not across the world...

if there is an over cast in you area then you are to go ahead and start fasting...but there was no over cast here in texas...and no moon was sighted...

[PuNjabi_RaNi*]

Should or Shouldn't Muslims start fasting together?????????

I believe us Muslims should start fasting together, what is all this crap with different communities and cities starting Ramadaan together... isnt Ramadaan just 1 month starting one 1 day with the moon sighting, I just cant believe this... where is the UNITY that is supposed to be in our blood to do such a simple thing that is so important at the same time...


:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

HEYY ENAM JUS LIKE TO SAY HELLO, SORRY I COULDNT BEFORE :eek:

[PuNjabi_RaNi*]

ur such an idiot :no:
praying towards Makkah and worshipping it is TWO DIFFERENT things and no we dont worship the Kaba...we only pray toward it....

and its hadith...ur supposed to start ramadan according to the moon sighting in your area....not across the world...

if there is an over cast in you area then you are to go ahead and start fasting...but there was no over cast here in texas...and no moon was sighted...

hai your so preety gurl nice natural pics :eek: happy ramadan by the way :o im nabs

[vaatyaar]

Please, before you continue, let us look up in the Qu'ran and Hadiths about where we must initiate our Ramadan together with those in Mecca.

Since you started this thread, I invite you to please PLEASE give some references to AUTHENTIC QURAN VERSES OR HADITHS and NOT YOUR OPINIONS. If you cannot comply with this simple request to back up your statements, you are doing nothing more than making a fool of yourself and, even worse, claiming incorrect things.

Thank you.

[reaz]

Please, before you continue, let us look up in the Qu'ran and Hadiths about where we must initiate our Ramadan together with those in Mecca.

Since you started this thread, I invite you to please PLEASE give some references to AUTHENTIC QURAN VERSES OR HADITHS and NOT YOUR OPINIONS. If you cannot comply with this simple request to back up your statements, you are doing nothing more than making a fool of yourself and, even worse, claiming incorrect things.

Thank you.

Yea. I've mentioned this a couple of times before. But he refuses to provide anything other than his opinions.

[vaatyaar]

Because, I know you're not going to do anything more than spouting baseless opinions, I took the time to do the research. Now I hope you refrain from committing this disgraceful act again before looking it up

“So whoever of you sights (the crescent on the first night of) the month (of Ramadan i.e. is present at his home), he must observe Sawm (fasts) that month, and whoever is ill or on a journey, the same number [of days which one did not observe Sawm (fasts) must be made up] from other days”

[al-Baqarah 2:185]

/end of thread

[Sweet Miasma]

hai your so preety gurl nice natural pics :eek: happy
ramadan by the way :o im nabs

:Oops:
thanks nabs....ur really pretty too
my name is naheeda btw
nice to meet you
Ramadan Mubarak

[Sweet Miasma]

this should explain some things


http://www.hilal-sighting.com/20051003-rmdan-1426ah.html
http://mathaba.net/0_index.shtml?x=376779

[Enammmmm]

so clearly u believe that just because one person didnt see the moon, one muslim shouldnt believe the other muslim who sighted the moon who only lives a mile away? for example 2 mosques that are 20 miles apart.. just because of that they shouldnt celebrate EID and fast on the same days?????? That was my main point of this thread.. i believe we are supposed to believe the Muslim who witnessed the moon sighting and with that to follow the muslims that are IN MECCA because it is our MAIN Religious POINT.


criticize that all u want.... ur not helping the UNISION just destroying it by criticizing it.

[SoSoScandalous]

Should or Shouldn't Muslims start fasting together?????????

I believe us Muslims should start fasting together, what is all this crap with different communities and cities starting Ramadaan together... isnt Ramadaan just 1 month starting one 1 day with the moon sighting, I just cant believe this... where is the UNITY that is supposed to be in our blood to do such a simple thing that is so important at the same time...


:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

danm muslims.. we're stupid......... STUPID I TELL YA!! :mad: like serious... back then we were smart asses.. now we're lazy bombos smoken hukkah.. back then we INVENTER THE SMALLL POX VACINE.. MANY MEDs we use today.. and now we're complaing muslims sitting at home with the Quran and NOT spreading islam outside of the house by influencing others with out good behaved actions.. DANM US MUSLIMS!!!! :mad:

[vaatyaar]

second one is a good article. I agree with the political overtones involved in the Saudi reporting.

[Enammmmm]

ur such an idiot :no:
praying towards Makkah and worshipping it is TWO DIFFERENT things and no we dont worship the Kaba...we only pray toward it....

and its hadith...ur supposed to start ramadan according to the moon sighting in your area....not across the world...

if there is an over cast in you area then you are to go ahead and start fasting...but there was no over cast here in texas...and no moon was sighted...

and as for you figure out what im talking about first before approaching me... it doesnt say in the QURAN that all muslims should follow the hadiths... I FOR 1 do not go by the Hadiths/HADIS... I go strictly by the Quran.... IDIOT.

[Enammmmm]

danm muslims.. we're stupid......... STUPID I TELL YA!! :mad: like serious... back then we were smart asses.. now we're lazy bombos smoken hukkah.. back then we INVENTER THE SMALLL POX VACINE.. MANY MEDs we use today.. and now we're complaing muslims sitting at home with the Quran and NOT spreading islam outside of the house by influencing others with out good behaved actions.. DANM US MUSLIMS!!!! :mad:


lol.. was that towards me?

[vaatyaar]

so clearly u believe that just because one person didnt see the moon, one muslim shouldnt believe the other muslim who sighted the moon who only lives a mile away? for example 2 mosques that are 20 miles apart.. just because of that they shouldnt celebrate EID and fast on the same days?????? That was my main point of this thread.. i believe we are supposed to believe the Muslim who witnessed the moon sighting and with that to follow the muslims that are IN MECCA because it is our MAIN Religious POINT.


criticize that all u want.... ur not helping the UNISION just destroying it by criticizing it.


are you directing this to me? Tell me where in the Qu'ran that it says we are suposed to follow the muslims' report in Mecca. Where is the relevance of Mecca written in the verse that I posted above from the Qu'ran?

So whoever of you sights (the crescent on the first night of) the month (of Ramadan i.e. is present at his home), he must observe Sawm (fasts) that month .... (2:185)

You are blinding yourself. Please do not post further without posting Quranic verses to back up your point.

[Enammmmm]

Yea. I've mentioned this a couple of times before. But he refuses to provide anything other than his opinions.

So REAZ... u also believe one muslim brother should be sitting at home and not fast BECAUSE HE DIDNT SEE THE MOON! and the other saw the moon 20 miles away and he should be fasting?....

and that is what HADITH/HADIS and THE QURAN SAYS?

:lollol:

[SoSoScandalous]

lol no.. ALL OF US MUSLIMS>. think about it.. we used to be sooo productive.. and now most of the arabs are like trapping their women at home, not allowing girls to be educated, and they're just staying inside the house being STUPID!

[vaatyaar]

lol no.. ALL OF US MUSLIMS>. think about it.. we used to be sooo productive.. and now most of the arabs are like trapping their women at home, not allowing girls to be educated, and they're just staying inside the house being STUPID!


you're bringing up an entirely different point.

btw, what does "clinically awesome" mean? LOL.

[Enammmmm]

are you directing this to me? Tell me where in the Qu'ran that it says we are suposed to follow the muslims' report in Mecca. Where is the relevance of Mecca written in the verse that I posted above from the Qu'ran?

So whoever of you sights (the crescent on the first night of) the month (of Ramadan i.e. is present at his home), he must observe Sawm (fasts) that month .... (2:185)

You are blinding yourself. Please do not post further without posting Quranic verses to back up your point.

First of all, ARE U SUNNI? are u even referred by me? WAS I EVEN DIRECTING TO ANYONE ELSE BUT SUNNIs? Shi'tes even celebrate fasting and eid on the same as sunnis? NO I DIDNT THINK SO...

if you think its right to stuff ur face while other muslims are fasting.. go right ahead, see u in judgement day brotha.

[Enammmmm]

lol no.. ALL OF US MUSLIMS>. think about it.. we used to be sooo productive.. and now most of the arabs are like trapping their women at home, not allowing girls to be educated, and they're just staying inside the house being STUPID!

ur right, and I agree.. its the freaking MEN to blame... ah man this crap makes me so angry.. these freakin muslims dont get THE SIMPLE IDEA THAT BACK THEN DURING WHEN OUR RASUL MUHAMMAD LIVED PEACE BE UPON HIM... THEY ALL FASTED TOGETHER AND PRAYED TOGETHER AND EVERYTHING!... but these embesols... GOD!!! HELP US ALLAH.

[Sweet Miasma]

and as for you figure out what im talking about first before approaching me... it doesnt say in the QURAN that all muslims should follow the hadiths... I FOR 1 do not go by the Hadiths/HADIS... I go strictly by the Quran.... IDIOT.


well i do...and im not the only one....millions of muslims follow hadith...but im NOT gonna say you should too....

Hadith is there for a reason....
the Quran does not tell you how to pray....Hadith does...
Hadith is a further explanaition of Quran...

it is stated in the Quran that

"If anyone disobeys Allah and His Messenger he is indeed on a clearly wrong path." [Al-Ahzab, 33:36]


Hadith is a collection of how the Prophet lived and how he guided the Sahaabi....so it is something we should follow as well...

im only giving you an explanation of why i follow the hadith when it comes to the moon sighting..

you do as you please...
you asked that Muslims be unified in this ....Well when the Prophet himself said to go by the local hilal sighting then what more should we do?

[vaatyaar]

First of all, ARE U SUNNI? are u even referred by me? WAS I EVEN DIRECTING TO ANYONE ELSE BUT SUNNIs? Shi'tes even celebrate fasting and eid on the same as sunnis? NO I DIDNT THINK SO...

if you think its right to stuff ur face while other muslims are fasting.. go right ahead, see u in judgement day brotha.


Oh damn, now you're just passing the line. You're plainly ignorant.

YES I am Sunni. What was itabout my posts that you thought I was otherwise?

tell me, which other muslims besides the ones that are one mile away from you, are fasting? If they started five days ago, even though Sha'ban was still going on, would you fast? Do you follow them or do you follow the Qu'ran? I have already laid out the verses but apparently you want to follow the Saudis in Mecca.

Continue your ignorance. I have done my part to help lay out the Quranic verses before you and you choose to disregard it. You have not once backed up your statements. You have blatantly disrespected other muslim with the "FUNK THEM FUNK THEM" and you have the audacity to continue spouting baseless statements without backing them up.

May Allah SWT help you get back on the right path, to follow the Qu'ran and not the Saudis in Mecca.

[Sweet Miasma]

So REAZ... u also believe one muslim brother should be sitting at home and not fast BECAUSE HE DIDNT SEE THE MOON! and the other saw the moon 20 miles away and he should be fasting?....

and that is what HADITH/HADIS and THE QURAN SAYS?

:lollol:


no its not according to one person....
its as a community as a whole..

in houston last night...people gathered at the local masjids to look for the moon...they got on their cars and on the rooftops...but COULD NOT SEE the moon..... the Quran simply states...if you see the moon start fasting ...if you dont then wait a day...and thats what they are doing

[Enammmmm]

well i do...and im not the only one....millions of muslims follow hadith...but im NOT gonna say you should too....

Hadith is there for a reason....
the Quran does not tell you how to pray....Hadith does...
Hadith is a further explanaition of Quran...

it is stated in the Quran that

"If anyone disobeys Allah and His Messenger he is indeed on a clearly wrong path." [Al-Ahzab, 33:36]


Hadith is a collection of how the Prophet lived and how he guided the Sahaabi....so it is something we should follow as well...

im only giving you an explanation of why i follow the hadith when it comes to the moon sighting..

you do as you please...
you asked that Muslims be unified in this ....Well when the Prophet himself said to go by the local hilal sighting then what more should we do?


then we should use our common sense.. seriously u dont find it wrong that 2 mosques separated by .5 miles are fasting on different days??????????????? and will celebrate EID on a different day? I FIND IT DEADLY OFFENSIVE because its separating us.. ONLY THE SATAN WANTS TO SEPARATE US.. do u know what i mean? i m furious about this.

[Enammmmm]

Oh damn, now you're just passing the line. You're plainly ignorant.

YES I am Sunni. What was itabout my posts that you thought I was otherwise?

tell me, which other muslims besides the ones that are one mile away from you, are fasting? If they started five days ago, even though Sha'ban was still going on, would you fast? Do you follow them or do you follow the Qu'ran? I have already laid out the verses but apparently you want to follow the Saudis in Mecca.

Continue your ignorance. I have done my part to help lay out the Quranic verses before you and you choose to disregard it. You have not once backed up your statements. You have blatantly disrespected other muslim with the "FUNK THEM FUNK THEM" and you have the audacity to continue spouting baseless statements without backing them up.

May Allah SWT help you get back on the right path, to follow the Qu'ran and not the Saudis in Mecca.


well i used the word FUNK for something else.. yea that was out of anger.. I apologize for offending u.. even if u were shi'te.. u just dont get it man... we arent supposed to be doign ANY of this SEPARATELY.. think hard and think back man.. u think they were like this back then?..for Shabay baraat I read on Isna.net that 2 people from California and Arizona area witness the moon sighting for the Shabay Baraat prayer... we are all supposed to go by them.. we dont all have to go on our rooftops to see the moon... u get it? its about TRUST man.

[reaz]

So REAZ... u also believe one muslim brother should be sitting at home and not fast BECAUSE HE DIDNT SEE THE MOON! and the other saw the moon 20 miles away and he should be fasting?....

and that is what HADITH/HADIS and THE QURAN SAYS?

:lollol:

you speak as if fasting is some sort of suffering that everyone should do at the same time.

hey, if the muslim brother saw the moon and is fasting good for him. if our community did not see the moon then we may or may not fast. the fast is not obligatory. whether we like it or not it wont be the 1st of ramadan until we see the new crescent.

and yes. that's what the Quran says. vaatyaar posted it .. you havent posted anything to back your claims.. except for some reason you're giving too much credit to mecca..

[Enammmmm]

no its not according to one person....
its as a community as a whole..

in houston last night...people gathered at the local masjids to look for the moon...they got on their cars and on the rooftops...but COULD NOT SEE the moon..... the Quran simply states...if you see the moon start fasting ...if you dont then wait a day...and thats what they are doing

Again though, other muslims saw the moon.. probably not even 50 miles away from u.. im sure theres muslims in HOUSTON fasting... so why not u.. or ur community? why the separation?

And no its not to the community as a whole... One person should be enough.. We are supposed to trust our MUSLIMS.

[vaatyaar]

then we should use our common sense.. seriously u dont find it wrong that 2 mosques separated by .5 miles are fasting on different days??????????????? and will celebrate EID on a different day? I FIND IT DEADLY OFFENSIVE because its separating us.. ONLY THE SATAN WANTS TO SEPARATE US.. do u know what i mean? i m furious about this.


yes it is wrong.. but did the other musjid actually see the moon or did they go by the Saudis' sighting in mecca? Europe did not see the moon but some London musjids choose to follow what those in Saudi say. How is it only Saudi Arabia saw the moon when no one else in the world sighted it?

FYI, today is the 30th of Sha'ban. For Saudis, they have taken Sha'ban as 29 days.. which is incorrect with the calculations.

But I digress for this stuff is too complicated for you to comprehend as your ignorance blinds you.

[reaz]

then we should use our common sense.. seriously u dont find it wrong that 2 mosques separated by .5 miles are fasting on different days??????????????? and will celebrate EID on a different day? I FIND IT DEADLY OFFENSIVE because its separating us.. ONLY THE SATAN WANTS TO SEPARATE US.. do u know what i mean? i m furious about this.

I understand what you mean but why follow Saudi blindly?

If the 2 communities which is separated by .5 miles (highly unlikely) follow different days then the one that's not following the Quran is at fault. in our case they did not see the moon last night and so it should be tonight.

no where in the Quran does it say to follow Mecca if we dont spot the moon.

[Enammmmm]

yes it is wrong.. but did the other musjid actually see the moon or did they go by the Saudis' sighting in mecca? Europe did not see the moon but some London musjids choose to follow what those in Saudi say. How is it only Saudi Arabia saw the moon when no one else in the world sighted it?

FYI, today is the 30th of Sha'ban. For Saudis, they have taken Sha'ban as 29 days.. which is incorrect with the calculations.

But I digress for this stuff is too complicated for you to comprehend as your ignorance blinds you.

calculations? so wait ur saying that NO MUSLIM saw the moon last night for us to start fasting today????????

[Sweet Miasma]

then we should use our common sense.. seriously u dont find it wrong that 2 mosques separated by .5 miles are fasting on different days??????????????? and will celebrate EID on a different day? I FIND IT DEADLY OFFENSIVE because its separating us.. ONLY THE SATAN WANTS TO SEPARATE US.. do u know what i mean? i m furious about this.

u know...im not happy about it either...
the fact that masjids in the same city are starting ramadan on two different days...

but as a community you are supposed to work as a whole and not individually....when you do that ...you missguide many muslims....
by working as a whole...like ISNA does....you have unity.....

it pissed me off what happened here in austin....the two Islamic councils could not agree and one went in accordance to a saudi sighting that may not have even happened....

anyways....May Allah forgive the misguided....and punish the ones that have Misguided

[reaz]

Again though, other muslims saw the moon.. probably not even 50 miles away from u.. im sure theres muslims in HOUSTON fasting... so why not u.. or ur community? why the separation?

And no its not to the community as a whole... One person should be enough.. We are supposed to trust our MUSLIMS.

nope they didnt. nobody has seen it in america. that's the truth. i have yet to see a sighting in america.

everyone who is fasting today in USA is following Saudi.

[vaatyaar]

well i used the word FUNK for something else.. yea that was out of anger.. I apologize for offending u.. even if u were shi'te.. u just dont get it man... we arent supposed to be doign ANY of this SEPARATELY.. think hard and think back man.. u think they were like this back then?..for Shabay baraat I read on Isna.net that 2 people from California and Arizona area witness the moon sighting for the Shabay Baraat prayer... we are all supposed to go by them.. we dont all have to go on our rooftops to see the moon... u get it? its about TRUST man.


so who exactly are you practicing islam for? for the others or for yourself?

And because I wouldn't expect you to know, the Saudis have had a tradition of having the 1st day of Ramadan before the rest of the world, as though they were politicizing it.

but again, PLEASE READ THE VERSE I POSTED. THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH ONE COMMUNITY SIGHTING THE MOON AND FASTING AND YOUR COMMUNITY NOT FASTING AT THE SAME TIME IF YOUR COMMUNITY DID NOT SEE THE MOON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

THE VERSE SAYS "WHOSOEVER AMONG YOU !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!""""""""""

[Sweet Miasma]

I understand what you mean but why follow Saudi blindly?

If the 2 communities which is separated by .5 miles (highly unlikely) follow different days then the one that's not following the Quran is at fault. in our case they did not see the moon last night and so it should be tonight.

no where in the Quran does it say to follow Mecca if we dont spot the moon.



:werd:

and if does state it Enam...then please guide us and show us the passage where it is stated...
thank you

[souwestpaki]

thye shud start 2gether.... wer all meant 2 follow da saudia calender if its da 1 of da mont then we start but i find maily pakis dont use da saudia moon they use some other 1


wow are u serious

how come we dont follow that

i thought mullahz made sure everything is followed word by word by quran

but i never in my life heard bout this saudi moon thing

[Enammmmm]

u know...im not happy about it either...
the fact that masjids in the same city are starting ramadan on two different days...

but as a community you are supposed to work as a whole and not individually....when you do that ...you missguide many muslims....
by working as a whole...like ISNA does....you have unity.....

it pissed me off what happened here in austin....the two Islamic councils could not agree and one went in accordance to a saudi sighting that may not have even happened....

anyways....May Allah forgive the misguided....and punish the ones that have Misguided

well dont be angry, thanks for understanding, n sorry for calling u an idiot.. i was just getting back at u which isnt right to do
:p

but someone had to speak out a lil.. u know open minds, let others learn off us even if we are barking at each other.... it helps others grow knowledge, but moving this thread to here was bad.. but oh well.. Allah wills.

[vaatyaar]

calculations? so wait ur saying that NO MUSLIM saw the moon last night for us to start fasting today????????


No muslims in our community saw it. And apparently, no one saw it in North America. Only the Saudis saw it. If they saw it, good for them.

The VERSE SAYS WHOSOEVER AMONG YOU .. ARGH. READ THE VERSE!

[Sweet Miasma]

Again though, other muslims saw the moon.. probably not even 50 miles away from u.. im sure theres muslims in HOUSTON fasting... so why not u.. or ur community? why the separation?

And no its not to the community as a whole... One person should be enough.. We are supposed to trust our MUSLIMS.


trusting other muslims is what makes us a community....
and no...it was not spotted last night...
and this fact was even stated in the Houston Chronicle...

[souwestpaki]

Should or Shouldn't Muslims start fasting together?????????

I believe us Muslims should start fasting together, what is all this crap with different communities and cities starting Ramadaan together... isnt Ramadaan just 1 month starting one 1 day with the moon sighting, I just cant believe this... where is the UNITY that is supposed to be in our blood to do such a simple thing that is so important at the same time...


:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:


well u can still share the same time with the people around u

u cant see a person living in different state anyways so wats the difference

but yea i kinda also agree with u. if the whole world was fasting at the same time u would know in your heart that i billion people are going thru the samething u are going that very moment and u can kinda feel it spiritually.

[Enammmmm]

well u can still share the same time with the people around u

u cant see a person living in different state anyways so wats the difference

but yea i kinda also agree with u. if the whole world was fasting at the same time u would know in your heart that i billion people are going thru the samething u are going that very moment and u can kinda feel it spiritually.

and that is ISLAM, not fasting on diff days diff times. What do u think the point of the HAJJ is... bringing muslims together over and over.. the ones that are questioning my opinion, i guarantee yall probably havent even been to hajj, i was there when i was 7 and I still feel the strength of it now...

And I AGREE that SAUDI does have a lot of politics interfering with ISLAM and RAMADAAN and EID... but why should we ignore MECCA? cuz of politics.. why should we not fast and do EID TOGETHER..c uz of them scoundrels in the SAUDI ROYAL FAMILY...
why should we break MUSLIMS apart because of a few bad muslims (royal family and politicians)... i will never follow them.. all this time i was talking about ISLAM and ISLAM ITSELF.

If yall disagree about fasting together as a whole, then no point of u even being in this thread. Not only to mention IT GOT MOVED! FOR NO REASON!
:rolleyes:

[Enammmmm]

No muslims in our community saw it. And apparently, no one saw it in North America. Only the Saudis saw it. If they saw it, good for them.

The VERSE SAYS WHOSOEVER AMONG YOU .. ARGH. READ THE VERSE!

Hey man Im not tryin to piss u off u know.. so dont feel so stressed or threaten by me.. all im sayin is .. if u know other muslims just started fasting one one day... WHY NOT JOIN THEM? u know what i mean?????or u dont.. u keep thinking that i dont have the proper intellectuals to understand what u are saying... alright.

[souwestpaki]

and that is ISLAM, not fasting on diff days diff times. What do u think the point of the HAJJ is... bringing muslims together over and over.. the ones that are questioning my opinion, i guarantee yall probably havent even been to hajj, i was there when i was 7 and I still feel the strength of it now...

And I AGREE that SAUDI does have a lot of politics interfering with ISLAM and RAMADAAN and EID... but why should we ignore MECCA? cuz of politics.. why should we not fast and do EID TOGETHER..c uz of them scoundrels in the SAUDI ROYAL FAMILY...
why should we break MUSLIMS apart because of a few bad muslims (royal family and politicians)... i will never follow them.. all this time i was talking about ISLAM and ISLAM ITSELF.

If yall disagree about fasting together as a whole, then no point of u even being in this thread. Not only to mention IT GOT MOVED! FOR NO REASON!
:rolleyes:


But it has to do with the positioning of the moon

so i think it was prolly always different times for different places

it was always like this

but now because of internet , t.v satalite, u can keep in touch with fellow muslim far away and u feel this need that , y is it different times

and since this isnt a muslim country , most muslim relatives of our live far

so we feel this need maybe

i never felt the need for it back in pakistan tho

but yea it would be good if it was together

[Adz4eva]

Cant believe this is still going lol.

Hey man Im not tryin to piss u off u know.. so dont feel so stressed or threaten by me.. all im sayin is .. if u know other muslims just started fasting one one day... WHY NOT JOIN THEM? u know what i mean?????or u dont.. u keep thinking that i dont have the proper intellectuals to understand what u are saying... alright.

Bro if you actually stop for a second, and post the verse in the Quran that you keep talking about (that we are suppose to follow Mecca) then maybe people will take you seriously?

[vaatyaar]

Hey man Im not tryin to piss u off u know.. so dont feel so stressed or threaten by me.. all im sayin is .. if u know other muslims just started fasting one one day... WHY NOT JOIN THEM? u know what i mean?????or u dont.. u keep thinking that i dont have the proper intellectuals to understand what u are saying... alright.


because I follow the Qu'ran, not what others say. And if those in my community/state/country did not see the moon, then I will not fast. And no, no one in my community saw it, no one in the state reported it. And FYI, if someone actually saw it, they are asked to report it to the North American Islamic Council .. and apparently no one saw it because it was not reported yesterday.

I don't know why you're bringing up this as so much of a deal .. there are other ways of having the communities work together besides establishing the first day of Ramadan.

I'm out of here. stressed/threatened by you? please. I am, apparently in vain, trying to teach you something with the Quranic verse but you choose to overlook that and resort to your emotions of following those in Mecca.

[TooPaki4U04]

the system is fine....cuz shia's start on diff days....and the only reason we start diff is because of the TIME ZONE DIFFERENCE....u forget that when its daytime over here its night over in pakistan and saudi arabia....so we could be saying "HAPPY RAMADAN!" while they're asleep...=\

[Enammmmm]

alright , u still dont get the point of UNIFYING...ofcourse maybe I dont have the proper method to teach someone like u... its all good. :wavey:

[vaatyaar]

alright , u still dont get the point of UNIFYING...ofcourse maybe I dont have the proper method to teach someone like u... its all good. :wavey:


so go learn how to back up what you say before you try to teach it. w'salaam.

[pnp366]

alright , u still dont get the point of UNIFYING...ofcourse maybe I dont have the proper method to teach someone like u... its all good. :wavey:


unifying should be the goal then, even if its not the right way of doing something?