DO U FINK BAD BOYS /GIRLS CAN CHANGE INTO GOOD GUY?GIRLS??

[sweetiejakia]

I would like to know your views on this. Do you think bad people can change into good human beings ie dont drink and do prayer etc??

Do u think people can change for who they are? if they are, then they are changing their personality and looks dont u fink??

plz let me know what u fink aight?

tk cre peepz

xxxx

[moonshadow]

everyone has room to change. its just how willing they are. there's plenty of people who've grown up in perhaps the worst of neighborhoods but have no signs of it. so yeah i'm sure they can improve themselves.

[sweetiejakia]

even they say they will change for u? i mean should they change for u cos its doesnt seem right cos they are changing their personality as well u should like someone for who they are rite???

hope that makes sense :?

[moonshadow]

even they say they will change for u? i mean should they change for u cos its doesnt seem right cos they are changing their personality as well u should like someone for who they are rite???

hope that makes sense :?

i dont think that's right. things like giving up smoking or excessive drinking for some one is acceptable, but to get some one to change a certain aspect of their personality just for you is nor right. if they feel they gotta change to be with you then its not worth investing time into a relationship. you gotta be attracted to people for what they are.

[sweetiejakia]

yeh that true...thanks man am glad am not the only one who thinks that way...hee hee...nice to meet u by the way!! 8)

[moonshadow]

same here, btw welcome to rd forums

[sweetiejakia]

err....i bin here since january but thanks for ur welcomes though!! its cos of the RD crash thing they lost my passwords n stuff ,,,,by the way dont look at da pix its old am tryin to get rid of it arghhh but they wont let me till da RD fixed....oh welll :x

[moonshadow]

really i didnt know that, this is the first time i've seen u on the forum. i wonder why ur having problems with the main site. everything is back up and running :scratch:

[sweetiejakia]

:roll: lolz i wouldnt have a clue what going on...am so clueless on computers.....hee hee anyway u have fun surfing the RD forum.... :wink:

[NumbaOneStunna]

I dont know how to fink

[sweetiejakia]

I dont know how to fink

huh?? :roll:

[methodman535]

I would like to know your views on this. Do you think bad people can change into good human beings ie dont drink and do prayer etc??

Do u think people can change for who they are? if they are, then they are changing their personality and looks dont u fink??

plz let me know what u fink aight?

tk cre peepz

xxxx


I dont think theres anything necessarily wrong with people who drink and dont pray. It has a lot to do with your genetics and how you were raised. Someone can drink and they can know when to stop so that they dont damage their liver and brain. Then you can have people who are scared to ever drink a single drop of alcohol because it might interfere with them "going to heaven" but they are so ignorant that they binge on things like white bread and sweets and junk food, candy etc and fuck themselves up and turn into diabetics by age 20 and die of a coronary by age 30.

Theres also many people who can drink but never become violent or crazy when drunk. Then theres people who never drink but who have some sort of a schitzo disorder and have maniacal fits and keep attacking other people. Theres also many people who are too religious to drink but they wont think twice about smoking from a hooka or chain smoking marlboros or smoking crack but they feel guilty chugging some beer down.

I think a more interesting question would be if people can get their heads out of their asses and decide for themselves whats good and whats bad and why it is so and THEN decide to make changes in their lives. :x

[ArTmALik]

I would like to know your views on this. Do you think bad people can change into good human beings ie dont drink and do prayer etc??

Do u think people can change for who they are? if they are, then they are changing their personality and looks dont u fink??

plz let me know what u fink aight?

tk cre peepz

xxxx

Everyone was born innocent.But the circumstances and problems make them good or bad.And it takes a few mins To become Good or a bad person.

[DesiStud1022]

Once a whore always a whore.

[sweetiejakia]

I would like to know your views on this. Do you think bad people can change into good human beings ie dont drink and do prayer etc??

Do u think people can change for who they are? if they are, then they are changing their personality and looks dont u fink??

plz let me know what u fink aight?

tk cre peepz

xxxx


I dont think theres anything necessarily wrong with people who drink and dont pray. It has a lot to do with your genetics and how you were raised. Someone can drink and they can know when to stop so that they dont damage their liver and brain. Then you can have people who are scared to ever drink a single drop of alcohol because it might interfere with them "going to heaven" but they are so ignorant that they binge on things like white bread and sweets and junk food, candy etc and fuck themselves up and turn into diabetics by age 20 and die of a coronary by age 30.

Theres also many people who can drink but never become violent or crazy when drunk. Then theres people who never drink but who have some sort of a schitzo disorder and have maniacal fits and keep attacking other people. Theres also many people who are too religious to drink but they wont think twice about smoking from a hooka or chain smoking marlboros or smoking crack but they feel guilty chugging some beer down.

Well u made da good point actually about the drinking and stuff. Since I am Muslim girl and i know drinkin is haram, i have always brought up in a good way even though i was brought up in a respectable gora area, everyone around here drinks and its real sad that they are wastin their life away not knowin they damagin their health and to the environement even the kidz can see it and will copy their image.

I think a more interesting question would be if people can get their heads out of their asses and decide for themselves whats good and whats bad and why it is so and THEN decide to make changes in their lives. :x

Well i know someone who tryin his best to get out of the game including drinkin and gettin out of the bad boy image but i dont think he can do it cos it was part of his life and he been doin it for years but its good now that he thinkin the right path now and i hope people reading this will think twice about their life.

[sweetiejakia]

Once a whore always a whore.

realli? do u think that? does it also apply for bad boys who sleeps around??

[sweetiejakia]

I would like to know your views on this. Do you think bad people can change into good human beings ie dont drink and do prayer etc??

Do u think people can change for who they are? if they are, then they are changing their personality and looks dont u fink??

plz let me know what u fink aight?

tk cre peepz

xxxx

Everyone was born innocent.But the circumstances and problems make them good or bad.And it takes a few mins To become Good or a bad person.

yeh its mainly depends on where u lives either in bad neigherhood or vice versa...or mixin wit friends etc

[ArTmALik]

Once a whore always a whore.
None is a girl who wud like to be a whore herself.Only circumstances make her doing that bad stuff..mainly The money.

[DesiStud1022]

Once a whore always a whore.
realli? do u think that? does it also apply for bad boys who sleeps around??
Yes, as a manwhore.
Anyone who has touched someone elses genetelia before marriage (other than their own) for gratification is a whore.

[DesiStud1022]

Once a whore always a whore.
None is a girl who wud like to be a whore herself.Only circumstances make her doing that bad stuff..mainly The money.
Not in this society. The money helps, but so does the right to brag about a newfound STD.

[DesiStud1022]

[yeh its mainly depends on where u lives either in bad neigherhood or vice versa...or mixin wit friends etc

What type of neighborhood did you grow up in?

[methodman535]

Once a whore always a whore.

realli? do u think that? does it also apply for bad boys who sleeps around??


Yes it does. Sorry to not turn this into a male-female war for you. :lol:

[methodman535]

I would like to know your views on this. Do you think bad people can change into good human beings ie dont drink and do prayer etc??

Do u think people can change for who they are? if they are, then they are changing their personality and looks dont u fink??

plz let me know what u fink aight?

tk cre peepz

xxxx


I dont think theres anything necessarily wrong with people who drink and dont pray. It has a lot to do with your genetics and how you were raised. Someone can drink and they can know when to stop so that they dont damage their liver and brain. Then you can have people who are scared to ever drink a single drop of alcohol because it might interfere with them "going to heaven" but they are so ignorant that they binge on things like white bread and sweets and junk food, candy etc and fuck themselves up and turn into diabetics by age 20 and die of a coronary by age 30.

Theres also many people who can drink but never become violent or crazy when drunk. Then theres people who never drink but who have some sort of a schitzo disorder and have maniacal fits and keep attacking other people. Theres also many people who are too religious to drink but they wont think twice about smoking from a hooka or chain smoking marlboros or smoking crack but they feel guilty chugging some beer down.

Well u made da good point actually about the drinking and stuff. Since I am Muslim girl and i know drinkin is haram, i have always brought up in a good way even though i was brought up in a respectable gora area, everyone around here drinks and its real sad that they are wastin their life away not knowin they damagin their health and to the environement even the kidz can see it and will copy their image.

I think a more interesting question would be if people can get their heads out of their asses and decide for themselves whats good and whats bad and why it is so and THEN decide to make changes in their lives. :x

Well i know someone who tryin his best to get out of the game including drinkin and gettin out of the bad boy image but i dont think he can do it cos it was part of his life and he been doin it for years but its good now that he thinkin the right path now and i hope people reading this will think twice about their life.


Careful with your replies there, you put yours smack in the middle of my quote, you made me look like an RD shemale drag queen for a second there lol j/k.

Anyways the point I was trying to make is when people are messed up its not necessarrily because they lack religion in their life but because they werent raised right by their parents, had messed up friends in childhood, had a bad neighborhood/school life etc. The part religion plays can be important but I dont think its as essential as many people believe. I think whats more important is a sense of responsibility and your own sense of whats right and wrong and the motivation to follow through on it.

For example, you dont drink because its haram but theres plenty of people who do drink when they KNOW its haram and in fact some people can be enticed to drink just because its "haram" and "forbidden" by law or religion.

Now my point is I think its better if people are brainwashed not to drink, get hight etc by being convinced its bad for their health rather than being told that "you will go to hell if you sin" because frankly, I dont think it works very well cuz its so simplistic and many kids esp. today will grow up to conclude that much of religion is a fairytale and just chuck all that stuff aside. Now if you EDUCATE people to stay away from bad stuff well, that stays with them longer and makes em more responsible even when it comes to rejecting other "sins" like excess candy or weed or crack etc.

[sweetiejakia]

[yeh its mainly depends on where u lives either in bad neigherhood or vice versa...or mixin wit friends etc

What type of neighborhood did you grow up in?

well i was brought up in a respectful gora quiet area so that why am such a s=nice girl (i think!!!). i think if u was in bad neighourhood u more likely to get in trouble n mixing with wrong peoples etc

[sweetiejakia]

Once a whore always a whore.

realli? do u think that? does it also apply for bad boys who sleeps around??


Yes it does. Sorry to not turn this into a male-female war for you. :lol:

oh its fine man am not offeneded or anything,,,,just say what u wana say ok?? u are actually rite there arent many good perfect girls outt here these days...

[sweetiejakia]

I would like to know your views on this. Do you think bad people can change into good human beings ie dont drink and do prayer etc??

Do u think people can change for who they are? if they are, then they are changing their personality and looks dont u fink??

plz let me know what u fink aight?

tk cre peepz

xxxx


I dont think theres anything necessarily wrong with people who drink and dont pray. It has a lot to do with your genetics and how you were raised. Someone can drink and they can know when to stop so that they dont damage their liver and brain. Then you can have people who are scared to ever drink a single drop of alcohol because it might interfere with them "going to heaven" but they are so ignorant that they binge on things like white bread and sweets and junk food, candy etc and fuck themselves up and turn into diabetics by age 20 and die of a coronary by age 30.

Theres also many people who can drink but never become violent or crazy when drunk. Then theres people who never drink but who have some sort of a schitzo disorder and have maniacal fits and keep attacking other people. Theres also many people who are too religious to drink but they wont think twice about smoking from a hooka or chain smoking marlboros or smoking crack but they feel guilty chugging some beer down.

Well u made da good point actually about the drinking and stuff. Since I am Muslim girl and i know drinkin is haram, i have always brought up in a good way even though i was brought up in a respectable gora area, everyone around here drinks and its real sad that they are wastin their life away not knowin they damagin their health and to the environement even the kidz can see it and will copy their image.

I think a more interesting question would be if people can get their heads out of their asses and decide for themselves whats good and whats bad and why it is so and THEN decide to make changes in their lives. :x

Well i know someone who tryin his best to get out of the game including drinkin and gettin out of the bad boy image but i dont think he can do it cos it was part of his life and he been doin it for years but its good now that he thinkin the right path now and i hope people reading this will think twice about their life.


Careful with your replies there, you put yours smack in the middle of my quote, you made me look like an RD shemale drag queen for a second there lol j/k.

Anyways the point I was trying to make is when people are messed up its not necessarrily because they lack religion in their life but because they werent raised right by their parents, had messed up friends in childhood, had a bad neighborhood/school life etc. The part religion plays can be important but I dont think its as essential as many people believe. I think whats more important is a sense of responsibility and your own sense of whats right and wrong and the motivation to follow through on it.

For example, you dont drink because its haram but theres plenty of people who do drink when they KNOW its haram and in fact some people can be enticed to drink just because its "haram" and "forbidden" by law or religion.

Now my point is I think its better if people are brainwashed not to drink, get hight etc by being convinced its bad for their health rather than being told that "you will go to hell if you sin" because frankly, I dont think it works very well cuz its so simplistic and many kids esp. today will grow up to conclude that much of religion is a fairytale and just chuck all that stuff aside. Now if you EDUCATE people to stay away from bad stuff well, that stays with them longer and makes em more responsible even when it comes to rejecting other "sins" like excess candy or weed or crack etc.

LOL sorry i didnt know how to cut the quote but now i know how to do it lolz sorry (hope that makes sense??) anyway for me i think religion plays a big part of my life leading me to the right path n everythin but u know what everyone got their own point of views....thanks for sharing i learnt some stuff wicked!!

[Anonymous]

Yes they can. My brother is living proof.

[adren@line]

what the hell is fink

[sweetiejakia]

Yes they can. My brother is living proof.

realli??? can i ask u something? what was the reason he changing his life?

[DesiStud1022]

Yes they can. My brother is living proof.

Is he a born again virgin?

[QuRutuLaiN]

i think they can change some what..like i know someone who just drop all of his bad habit which was mosly him sleepyin with older women (under 30) i never undrestood nor i think i ever will...but he stop it been more hten a year for him..kid jsut changed pray 5 time fast and everythin. i alway have this doubt though maybe he is just lyin but i don't know..

[sweetiejakia]

i think they can change some what..like i know someone who just drop all of his bad habit which was mosly him sleepyin with older women (under 30) i never undrestood nor i think i ever will...but he stop it been more hten a year for him..kid jsut changed pray 5 time fast and everythin. i alway have this doubt though maybe he is just lyin but i don't know..

wow!!!! good on him whoever he is!! hope he keep it up!! :D

[QuRutuLaiN]

i think they can change some what..like i know someone who just drop all of his bad habit which was mosly him sleepyin with older women (under 30) i never undrestood nor i think i ever will...but he stop it been more hten a year for him..kid jsut changed pray 5 time fast and everythin. i alway have this doubt though maybe he is just lyin but i don't know..

wow!!!! good on him whoever he is!! hope he keep it up!! :D

yea i hope so or i'm gonna kill him literally :evil:

[DesiStud1022]

i think they can change some what..like i know someone who just drop all of his bad habit which was mosly him sleepyin with older women (under 30) i never undrestood nor i think i ever will...but he stop it been more hten a year for him..kid jsut changed pray 5 time fast and everythin. i alway have this doubt though maybe he is just lyin but i don't know..

Would you date someone like this? Knowing that he has slept with many old hags in the past? Isnt ones past experiences ingrained in them for life? Even if he prays now - so what? He should have been doing that since the beginning too, right?

[Anonymous]

I don't wish to go into detail about that. Let's just say he met someone he couldn't live without. Instead of someone he could live with.

[QuRutuLaiN]

i think they can change some what..like i know someone who just drop all of his bad habit which was mosly him sleepyin with older women (under 30) i never undrestood nor i think i ever will...but he stop it been more hten a year for him..kid jsut changed pray 5 time fast and everythin. i alway have this doubt though maybe he is just lyin but i don't know..

Would you date someone like this? Knowing that he has slept with many old hags in the past? Isnt ones past experiences ingrained in them for life? Even if he prays now - so what? He should have been doing that since the beginning too, right?

nope it would bother me ALOT that y i keep sayin no to him my respond to him "do u think it's fair u done all this shit which i don't approve of wht if i have done hte same u would hate me for it and he said no i woulnd't not if u change ur life like i did" and i don't have any right to forgive him it's up to allah u know who am i to judge....but i'm tryin to forget his past and to see him as wht he has become a good carin person...

[adren@line]

I very much so DISLIKE women who date guys with the intent of radically changing them.

A few changes here and there is ok, but radical change is unrealistic.

"Bad Boys" WILL ONLY change for girls that are perfect or almost perfect in every department TO THEM (looks, personality, intelligence)...And usually these are the girls they will marry.

Otherwise, the girl is just another piece of ass.

Thats just how it is.

[DesiStud1022]

i think they can change some what..like i know someone who just drop all of his bad habit which was mosly him sleepyin with older women (under 30) i never undrestood nor i think i ever will...but he stop it been more hten a year for him..kid jsut changed pray 5 time fast and everythin. i alway have this doubt though maybe he is just lyin but i don't know..

Would you date someone like this? Knowing that he has slept with many old hags in the past? Isnt ones past experiences ingrained in them for life? Even if he prays now - so what? He should have been doing that since the beginning too, right?

nope it would bother me ALOT that y i keep sayin no to him my respond to him "do u think it's fair u done all this shit which i don't approve of wht if i have done hte same u would hate me for it and he said no i woulnd't not if u change ur life like i did" and i don't have any right to forgive him it's up to allah u know who am i to judge....but i'm tryin to forget his past and to see him as wht he has become a good carin person...

Once a whore, always a whore.

[DesiStud1022]

I don't wish to go into detail about that. .

Fair enough.

[sweetiejakia]

i think they can change some what..like i know someone who just drop all of his bad habit which was mosly him sleepyin with older women (under 30) i never undrestood nor i think i ever will...but he stop it been more hten a year for him..kid jsut changed pray 5 time fast and everythin. i alway have this doubt though maybe he is just lyin but i don't know..

Would you date someone like this? Knowing that he has slept with many old hags in the past? Isnt ones past experiences ingrained in them for life? Even if he prays now - so what? He should have been doing that since the beginning too, right?

yeh it would bother me alots if i got my guy who went out with so many guls but at least some guys are tryin to change n become a good person...they are learning their mistakes and yep i agreee they should have pray at the beginning so that they wouldnt these things...oh well that life really....

[DesiStud1022]

^You never answered my question.

Would you date this guy?

[methodman535]

^You never answered my question.

Would you date this guy?


*drumroll*

[sweetiejakia]

^You never answered my question.

Would you date this guy?

r u askin me??? :?

[methodman535]

^You never answered my question.

Would you date this guy?

r u askin me??? :?


Yeah who else would he be asking? Thats what the ^^ is for. He's probably curious after all your talk of reformed character etc etc...what the bottom line really is.

[sweetiejakia]

^You never answered my question.

Would you date this guy?

r u askin me??? :?


Yeah who else would he be asking? Thats what the ^^ is for. He's probably curious after all your talk of reformed character etc etc...what the bottom line really is.

OK OK if u really wana know then il tell u...I met this guy about 4yrs ago now and during that time he was proper bad boy if u get my drift...then we lost touch....after 4 years we stayed in touch n he keep sayin that he put his hand up now and wana change n stuff...i thought oh good for u....then i heard he really likes me n stuff and i was thinkin is he changin his life for me?? i asked him that then he said nah he doin it for himself realli so bascially i would go out with him even he changed into a good person that all that matters realli...all i want is a guy that deffo loves me for who i am not for my body etc...

but would u go out wit a whore even she been used n stuff??

[methodman535]

^You never answered my question.

Would you date this guy?

r u askin me??? :?


Yeah who else would he be asking? Thats what the ^^ is for. He's probably curious after all your talk of reformed character etc etc...what the bottom line really is.

OK OK if u really wana know then il tell u...I met this guy about 4yrs ago now and during that time he was proper bad boy if u get my drift...then we lost touch....after 4 years we stayed in touch n he keep sayin that he put his hand up now and wana change n stuff...i thought oh good for u....then i heard he really likes me n stuff and i was thinkin is he changin his life for me?? i asked him that then he said nah he doin it for himself realli so bascially i would go out with him even he changed into a good person that all that matters realli...all i want is a guy that deffo loves me for who i am not for my body etc...

but would u go out wit a whore even she been used n stuff??

Frankly I think he sounds full of it. Once a $%$%$ always a $&$&$ as they say. But I could be wrong.

And as far as goin out with a whore...who the hell would say yeah, I would love to go out with a whore thats been used. What kind of a question is that. Theres many different grades of sluts and hoes and different levels of promisquity. Honestly I think every single girl is suspect so more than likely a guy is either goin out with "a whore" or he is goin out with a "born again virgin" who used to be a hoe and has done a better job at covering her tracks.

These days I think 90% of hoes got themselves a nice lil born again virgin act and the other 10% got themselves something called honesty and "screw what you think" attitude. And the non-hoes if there are any, well you cant distinguish them from the born again virgins so I dunno if there is even a point to worryin about it. :roll:

[Assembler]

It's been my experience that people rarely ever change.

There are only a few times when a person really has the option to change; when they are extremely young (this is very common) and the other, when they've met some profound experience or it has come out of the goodwill of their heart.

Someone may choose to stop smoking or drinking, but do you think that their personality will be completely anew just because? Not a chance...

Becoming a "new" person is almost impossible; changing your life in minor ways however, is not.

[DesiStud1022]

^You never answered my question.

Would you date this guy?

r u askin me??? :?


Yeah who else would he be asking? Thats what the ^^ is for. He's probably curious after all your talk of reformed character etc etc...what the bottom line really is.

OK OK if u really wana know then il tell u...I met this guy about 4yrs ago now and during that time he was proper bad boy if u get my drift...then we lost touch....after 4 years we stayed in touch n he keep sayin that he put his hand up now and wana change n stuff...i thought oh good for u....then i heard he really likes me n stuff and i was thinkin is he changin his life for me?? i asked him that then he said nah he doin it for himself realli so bascially i would go out with him even he changed into a good person that all that matters realli...all i want is a guy that deffo loves me for who i am not for my body etc...

but would u go out wit a whore even she been used n stuff??

So, you would marry a guy whos "reformed"?

[DesiStud1022]

Frankly I think he sounds full of it. Once a $%$%$ always a $&$&$ as they say. But I could be wrong.

And as far as goin out with a whore...who the hell would say yeah, I would love to go out with a whore thats been used. What kind of a question is that. Theres many different grades of sluts and hoes and different levels of promisquity. Honestly I think every single girl is suspect so more than likely a guy is either goin out with "a whore" or he is goin out with a "born again virgin" who used to be a hoe and has done a better job at covering her tracks.

These days I think 90% of hoes got themselves a nice lil born again virgin act and the other 10% got themselves something called honesty and "screw what you think" attitude. And the non-hoes if there are any, well you cant distinguish them from the born again virgins so I dunno if there is even a point to worryin about it. ::

Honestly, no, I would not marry an "experienced" girl. Its a personal choice.

Although there are different grades to sluttiness, what should the appropriate limit be, in your opinion?

I do not belive in "born again" bullshit. I belive as though your actions carry throughout your life. There is no way of undoing the choices you have made and followed through with. It goes with anything.

Lets say there was a girl who had a one night fling out of drunkness... And another girl who was in a 6 yr relationsip and had sex with one guy (only 1 time). Then she broke up with him and was single for a year before meeting you... Which one is more dateable, or are both equal?

[Da Wise One]

As a Muslim, I believe all Kafirs who whored around in the past but repented and converted will be forgiven. I also believe that Muslims who truely repent after their sins will be forgiven however Allah knows best. But with that being said, I would only marry a virgin. I wouldn't mind marrying a woman who had a bf before as long as she did not get into too much physical contact with him. I definetly would not marry a woman who dumped her bf for me.

[DesiStud1022]

As a Muslim, I believe all Kafirs who whored around in the past but repented and converted will be forgiven. I also believe that Muslims who truely repent after their sins will be forgiven however Allah knows best. But with that being said, I would only marry a virgin. I wouldn't mind marrying a woman who had a bf before as long as she did not get into too much physical contact with him. I definetly would not marry a woman who dumped her bf for me.

You are contradicting yourself. Since religion is what you are basing your life on, if one is to be forgiven, then why wouldnt you accept them?

[Da Wise One]

As a Muslim, I believe all Kafirs who whored around in the past but repented and converted will be forgiven. I also believe that Muslims who truely repent after their sins will be forgiven however Allah knows best. But with that being said, I would only marry a virgin. I wouldn't mind marrying a woman who had a bf before as long as she did not get into too much physical contact with him. I definetly would not marry a woman who dumped her bf for me.

You are contradicting yourself. Since religion is what you are basing your life on, if one is to be forgiven, then why wouldnt you accept them?Actually I am not contradicting myself at all. It's just my own preference of what I want my wife to be. I know a whore can be forgiven but that doesn't mean I will marry her.

[PaniPuri]

well change is an inevitable part of life. but its on the individual to control it, u have the ability to change, its just that no one can change u.

[methodman535]

As a Muslim, I believe all Kafirs who whored around in the past but repented and converted will be forgiven. I also believe that Muslims who truely repent after their sins will be forgiven however Allah knows best. But with that being said, I would only marry a virgin. I wouldn't mind marrying a woman who had a bf before as long as she did not get into too much physical contact with him. I definetly would not marry a woman who dumped her bf for me.

You are contradicting yourself. Since religion is what you are basing your life on, if one is to be forgiven, then why wouldnt you accept them?Actually I am not contradicting myself at all. It's just my own preference of what I want my wife to be. I know a whore can be forgiven but that doesn't mean I will marry her.

So you believe god will forgive a whore but you know that you yourself will not forgive the whore. Interesting little paradox there to debate. Maybe even deserves its own new thread.

[DesiStud1022]

As a Muslim, I believe all Kafirs who whored around in the past but repented and converted will be forgiven. I also believe that Muslims who truely repent after their sins will be forgiven however Allah knows best. But with that being said, I would only marry a virgin. I wouldn't mind marrying a woman who had a bf before as long as she did not get into too much physical contact with him. I definetly would not marry a woman who dumped her bf for me.
You are contradicting yourself. Since religion is what you are basing your life on, if one is to be forgiven, then why wouldnt you accept them?Actually I am not contradicting myself at all. It's just my own preference of what I want my wife to be. I know a whore can be forgiven but that doesn't mean I will marry her.
Please correct me if I am wrong.
From what you mentioned, Allah knows best. Allah is willing to forgive someone who was a whore in her past. You belive in Allah.
But you would not forgive this woman?

[DesiStud1022]

well change is an inevitable part of life. but its on the individual to control it, u have the ability to change, its just that no one can change u.

Sure, people can change - for the future.
You cannot change the past.

[Da Wise One]

As a Muslim, I believe all Kafirs who whored around in the past but repented and converted will be forgiven. I also believe that Muslims who truely repent after their sins will be forgiven however Allah knows best. But with that being said, I would only marry a virgin. I wouldn't mind marrying a woman who had a bf before as long as she did not get into too much physical contact with him. I definetly would not marry a woman who dumped her bf for me.

You are contradicting yourself. Since religion is what you are basing your life on, if one is to be forgiven, then why wouldnt you accept them?Actually I am not contradicting myself at all. It's just my own preference of what I want my wife to be. I know a whore can be forgiven but that doesn't mean I will marry her.

So you believe god will forgive a whore but you know that you yourself will not forgive the whore. Interesting little paradox there to debate. Maybe even deserves its own new thread.Simple. Allah is the most merciful.

[Da Wise One]

Please correct me if I am wrong.
From what you mentioned, Allah knows best. Allah is willing to forgive someone who was a whore in her past. You belive in Allah.
But you would not forgive this woman?Forgive her? Well first of all, Allah decides on that. My point is, I wouldn't marry an ex-whore because of personal preference. Inshallah I will marry a virgin. But that's just me.

[sweetiejakia]

^You never answered my question.

Would you date this guy?

r u askin me??? :?


Yeah who else would he be asking? Thats what the ^^ is for. He's probably curious after all your talk of reformed character etc etc...what the bottom line really is.

OK OK if u really wana know then il tell u...I met this guy about 4yrs ago now and during that time he was proper bad boy if u get my drift...then we lost touch....after 4 years we stayed in touch n he keep sayin that he put his hand up now and wana change n stuff...i thought oh good for u....then i heard he really likes me n stuff and i was thinkin is he changin his life for me?? i asked him that then he said nah he doin it for himself realli so bascially i would go out with him even he changed into a good person that all that matters realli...all i want is a guy that deffo loves me for who i am not for my body etc...

but would u go out wit a whore even she been used n stuff??

So, you would marry a guy whos "reformed"?

depends on loada of reasons realli...i dont know if i love him or not and also i loves my parents too much and they gotta respect him as well...if they dont like him then i go wit my parent's wishes n move on...simple as that

[QuRutuLaiN]

OK OK if u really wana know then il tell u...I met this guy about 4yrs ago now and during that time he was proper bad boy if u get my drift...then we lost touch....after 4 years we stayed in touch n he keep sayin that he put his hand up now and wana change n stuff...i thought oh good for u....then i heard he really likes me n stuff and i was thinkin is he changin his life for me?? i asked him that then he said nah he doin it for himself realli so bascially i would go out with him even he changed into a good person that all that matters realli...all i want is a guy that deffo loves me for who i am not for my body etc...

but would u go out wit a whore even she been used n stuff??

same stuff is happenin to me right now so question to u..do u ever feel like he is lyin to u or have this doubt that he is still same...

[methodman535]

Frankly I think he sounds full of it. Once a $%$%$ always a $&$&$ as they say. But I could be wrong.

And as far as goin out with a whore...who the hell would say yeah, I would love to go out with a whore thats been used. What kind of a question is that. Theres many different grades of sluts and hoes and different levels of promisquity. Honestly I think every single girl is suspect so more than likely a guy is either goin out with "a whore" or he is goin out with a "born again virgin" who used to be a hoe and has done a better job at covering her tracks.

These days I think 90% of hoes got themselves a nice lil born again virgin act and the other 10% got themselves something called honesty and "screw what you think" attitude. And the non-hoes if there are any, well you cant distinguish them from the born again virgins so I dunno if there is even a point to worryin about it. ::

Honestly, no, I would not marry an "experienced" girl. Its a personal choice.

Although there are different grades to sluttiness, what should the appropriate limit be, in your opinion?

I do not belive in "born again" bullshit. I belive as though your actions carry throughout your life. There is no way of undoing the choices you have made and followed through with. It goes with anything.

Lets say there was a girl who had a one night fling out of drunkness... And another girl who was in a 6 yr relationsip and had sex with one guy (only 1 time). Then she broke up with him and was single for a year before meeting you... Which one is more dateable, or are both equal?


This is an excellent point that you raise. Actually I dont even think many people have pondered the implications of a girl who has been influenced buy a guy in a long term relationship because guys are usually obsessed with a girl's sexual escapades.

Anyways think about it. If you marry the girl in the second example, every day she will probably be thinking about her ex. She might even annoy you by discussing him all the time as one would discuss a former family member. Of course it doesnt HAVE to annoy her partner but it might. Now...the girl who had her one night stand wouldnt have that much of an imprint left on her by that guy. Personally I think the girl that got emotionally involved has more chance of having "baggage" that I would find objectionable.

A "playgirl" who messed around with a few guys frivolously can forget about each one easily but one who stuck with one guy for years....oh boy there you have a different situation now dont you?

So yeah....thats in interesting though. Which one of those two would have a cleaner slate for you to start scribbling on...

[methodman535]

As a Muslim, I believe all Kafirs who whored around in the past but repented and converted will be forgiven. I also believe that Muslims who truely repent after their sins will be forgiven however Allah knows best. But with that being said, I would only marry a virgin. I wouldn't mind marrying a woman who had a bf before as long as she did not get into too much physical contact with him. I definetly would not marry a woman who dumped her bf for me.

You are contradicting yourself. Since religion is what you are basing your life on, if one is to be forgiven, then why wouldnt you accept them?Actually I am not contradicting myself at all. It's just my own preference of what I want my wife to be. I know a whore can be forgiven but that doesn't mean I will marry her.

So you believe god will forgive a whore but you know that you yourself will not forgive the whore. Interesting little paradox there to debate. Maybe even deserves its own new thread.Simple. Allah is the most merciful.

Interesting that you and other people make this big deal about god and following his recommendations and regulations but whenever you feel like it you break them and just announce that he is the most merciful. :roll:

[DesiStud1022]

^You never answered my question.

Would you date this guy?

r u askin me??? :?


Yeah who else would he be asking? Thats what the ^^ is for. He's probably curious after all your talk of reformed character etc etc...what the bottom line really is.

OK OK if u really wana know then il tell u...I met this guy about 4yrs ago now and during that time he was proper bad boy if u get my drift...then we lost touch....after 4 years we stayed in touch n he keep sayin that he put his hand up now and wana change n stuff...i thought oh good for u....then i heard he really likes me n stuff and i was thinkin is he changin his life for me?? i asked him that then he said nah he doin it for himself realli so bascially i would go out with him even he changed into a good person that all that matters realli...all i want is a guy that deffo loves me for who i am not for my body etc...

but would u go out wit a whore even she been used n stuff??

So, you would marry a guy whos "reformed"?

depends on loada of reasons realli...i dont know if i love him or not and also i loves my parents too much and they gotta respect him as well...if they dont like him then i go wit my parent's wishes n move on...simple as that
Would you date him if you knew his past? (Assuming your purpose of dating was to get to know someone well enough for marriage - not just for sex)

[DesiStud1022]

Please correct me if I am wrong.
From what you mentioned, Allah knows best. Allah is willing to forgive someone who was a whore in her past. You belive in Allah.
But you would not forgive this woman?Forgive her? Well first of all, Allah decides on that. My point is, I wouldn't marry an ex-whore because of personal preference. Inshallah I will marry a virgin. But that's just me.

So... Youre saying that even though the most merciful one, Allah is willing to forgive her... You, yourself, are too good for her. Are you saying that your personal preferences are above Allah's?

[methodman535]

Please correct me if I am wrong.
From what you mentioned, Allah knows best. Allah is willing to forgive someone who was a whore in her past. You belive in Allah.
But you would not forgive this woman?Forgive her? Well first of all, Allah decides on that. My point is, I wouldn't marry an ex-whore because of personal preference. Inshallah I will marry a virgin. But that's just me.

So... Youre saying that even though the most merciful one, Allah is willing to forgive her... You, yourself, are too good for her. Are you saying that your personal preferences are above Allah's?


Lol...no he is saying because he is nowhere near as perfect as god he gets to stoop a bit lower each time its convenient. :lol:

[sweetiejakia]

OK OK if u really wana know then il tell u...I met this guy about 4yrs ago now and during that time he was proper bad boy if u get my drift...then we lost touch....after 4 years we stayed in touch n he keep sayin that he put his hand up now and wana change n stuff...i thought oh good for u....then i heard he really likes me n stuff and i was thinkin is he changin his life for me?? i asked him that then he said nah he doin it for himself realli so bascially i would go out with him even he changed into a good person that all that matters realli...all i want is a guy that deffo loves me for who i am not for my body etc...

but would u go out wit a whore even she been used n stuff??

same stuff is happenin to me right now so question to u..do u ever feel like he is lyin to u or have this doubt that he is still same...

Realli it is happenin rite now? gosh man its happenin to me rite now so am still gettin to know him n stuff but wont see him till the summer since got my finals n stuff...he is trying his best i can see it in his eyes n the sound of his voice so i hope he can do it....u know what he made my day when he said i helped him out alots and i dont act like any other rudie girls...aww isnt he so sweet?? :wink:

[sweetiejakia]

^You never answered my question.

Would you date this guy?

r u askin me??? :?


Yeah who else would he be asking? Thats what the ^^ is for. He's probably curious after all your talk of reformed character etc etc...what the bottom line really is.

OK OK if u really wana know then il tell u...I met this guy about 4yrs ago now and during that time he was proper bad boy if u get my drift...then we lost touch....after 4 years we stayed in touch n he keep sayin that he put his hand up now and wana change n stuff...i thought oh good for u....then i heard he really likes me n stuff and i was thinkin is he changin his life for me?? i asked him that then he said nah he doin it for himself realli so bascially i would go out with him even he changed into a good person that all that matters realli...all i want is a guy that deffo loves me for who i am not for my body etc...

but would u go out wit a whore even she been used n stuff??

So, you would marry a guy whos "reformed"?

depends on loada of reasons realli...i dont know if i love him or not and also i loves my parents too much and they gotta respect him as well...if they dont like him then i go wit my parent's wishes n move on...simple as that
Would you date him if you knew his past? (Assuming your purpose of dating was to get to know someone well enough for marriage - not just for sex)

well he tellin me everything that none of his girl mates know about...i dont mind about his past n i must admit i didnt like what i was hearing but it wasnt his fault, it was his upbringings....but as for marriage i dont know if he an 'husband material' i cant answer that rite now as he is at the life-changing phase at the moment and plus am still gettin to know him, i dont even know if he feel the same way so am considerin him as a friend for now....

[Da Wise One]

Interesting that you and other people make this big deal about god and following his recommendations and regulations but whenever you feel like it you break them and just announce that he is the most merciful. :roll:Interesting that you point this out about me. Now go ahead and show me where I make a big deal about Allah's regulations and then break them. Show me.

[Da Wise One]

Please correct me if I am wrong.
From what you mentioned, Allah knows best. Allah is willing to forgive someone who was a whore in her past. You belive in Allah.
But you would not forgive this woman?Forgive her? Well first of all, Allah decides on that. My point is, I wouldn't marry an ex-whore because of personal preference. Inshallah I will marry a virgin. But that's just me.

So... Youre saying that even though the most merciful one, Allah is willing to forgive her... You, yourself, are too good for her. Are you saying that your personal preferences are above Allah's?Wait. Who said I won't forgive her. Show me in any of my posts where I said I wouldn't forgive her. Then I will be glad to answer that post. You love to put words into peoples mouths don't you.

[Da Wise One]

Please correct me if I am wrong.
From what you mentioned, Allah knows best. Allah is willing to forgive someone who was a whore in her past. You belive in Allah.
But you would not forgive this woman?Forgive her? Well first of all, Allah decides on that. My point is, I wouldn't marry an ex-whore because of personal preference. Inshallah I will marry a virgin. But that's just me.

So... Youre saying that even though the most merciful one, Allah is willing to forgive her... You, yourself, are too good for her. Are you saying that your personal preferences are above Allah's?


Lol...no he is saying because he is nowhere near as perfect as god he gets to stoop a bit lower each time its convenient. :lol:lol idiot.

[DesiStud1022]

^You never answered my question.

Would you date this guy?

r u askin me??? :?


Yeah who else would he be asking? Thats what the ^^ is for. He's probably curious after all your talk of reformed character etc etc...what the bottom line really is.

OK OK if u really wana know then il tell u...I met this guy about 4yrs ago now and during that time he was proper bad boy if u get my drift...then we lost touch....after 4 years we stayed in touch n he keep sayin that he put his hand up now and wana change n stuff...i thought oh good for u....then i heard he really likes me n stuff and i was thinkin is he changin his life for me?? i asked him that then he said nah he doin it for himself realli so bascially i would go out with him even he changed into a good person that all that matters realli...all i want is a guy that deffo loves me for who i am not for my body etc...

but would u go out wit a whore even she been used n stuff??

So, you would marry a guy whos "reformed"?

depends on loada of reasons realli...i dont know if i love him or not and also i loves my parents too much and they gotta respect him as well...if they dont like him then i go wit my parent's wishes n move on...simple as that
Would you date him if you knew his past? (Assuming your purpose of dating was to get to know someone well enough for marriage - not just for sex)

well he tellin me everything that none of his girl mates know about...i dont mind about his past n i must admit i didnt like what i was hearing but it wasnt his fault, it was his upbringings....but as for marriage i dont know if he an 'husband material' i cant answer that rite now as he is at the life-changing phase at the moment and plus am still gettin to know him, i dont even know if he feel the same way so am considerin him as a friend for now....

So you would date the guy even though there is a good chance hes not marriage material.

I belive you should only date someone if there is a chance on marrying them. If there is no chance, its not worth it.

[DesiStud1022]

Please correct me if I am wrong.
From what you mentioned, Allah knows best. Allah is willing to forgive someone who was a whore in her past. You belive in Allah.
But you would not forgive this woman?Forgive her? Well first of all, Allah decides on that. My point is, I wouldn't marry an ex-whore because of personal preference. Inshallah I will marry a virgin. But that's just me.

So... Youre saying that even though the most merciful one, Allah is willing to forgive her... You, yourself, are too good for her. Are you saying that your personal preferences are above Allah's?Wait. Who said I won't forgive her. Show me in any of my posts where I said I wouldn't forgive her. Then I will be glad to answer that post. You love to put words into peoples mouths don't you.

If you are willing to forgive her past - why not marry her? Since that is the only issue at hand, your forgiving it should allow her to marry you.

Its not putting words into someones mouth - its basically restating the obvious.

Please tell me - would you forgive her? And if so - then why would you not marry her?

[Da Wise One]

Please correct me if I am wrong.
From what you mentioned, Allah knows best. Allah is willing to forgive someone who was a whore in her past. You belive in Allah.
But you would not forgive this woman?Forgive her? Well first of all, Allah decides on that. My point is, I wouldn't marry an ex-whore because of personal preference. Inshallah I will marry a virgin. But that's just me.

So... Youre saying that even though the most merciful one, Allah is willing to forgive her... You, yourself, are too good for her. Are you saying that your personal preferences are above Allah's?Wait. Who said I won't forgive her. Show me in any of my posts where I said I wouldn't forgive her. Then I will be glad to answer that post. You love to put words into peoples mouths don't you.

If you are willing to forgive her past - why not marry her? Since that is the only issue at hand, your forgiving it should allow her to marry you.

Its not putting words into someones mouth - its basically restating the obvious.

Please tell me - would you forgive her? And if so - then why would you not marry her?Ok some reasonable questions. Would I forgive her? You mean if she converts to Islam right? Yes I would definetly forgive her. Now why would I not want to marry her? I've answered this before but in case you missed it. It's a personal preference.

[DesiStud1022]

I should have been more precise. I appologize. I was asking you to define why it is a personal preference. Is there a reason for this preference?

[Da Wise One]

I should have been more precise. I appologize. I was asking you to define why it is a personal preference. Is there a reason for this preference?Yeah, I want a woman who hasn't been banged. Simple as that lol. I know if I had married a non-virgin it would stick in my head. The fact that she's slept around before would bring an unpleasant feeling inside me.

[methodman535]

Da Wise One, you said that you would "forgive" her if she had slept around, as long as she converted to islam. That doesnt make a lot of sense in the overall picture here because firstly what use is that "forgiveness" to her, I mean from her point of view why would she even care if someone forgives or not forgives her past behaviour if she is still considered an unmarriable slut by them.

What exactly would this forgiveness entail. And what if she had been muslim to begin with. In that case she couldnt really convert/revert but she could "repent her sins" and become a born again virgin...lol.


I can understand where you are coming from but I dont see the value of your forgiveness here in any equation. :-k

[DesiStud1022]

I should have been more precise. I appologize. I was asking you to define why it is a personal preference. Is there a reason for this preference?Yeah, I want a woman who hasn't been banged. Simple as that lol. I know if I had married a non-virgin it would stick in my head. The fact that she's slept around before would bring an unpleasant feeling inside me.

So you would not be able to forgive her.

Sir, you are saying that she will be forgiven even by you.
However, when posed with that situation, your actions show that you would not forgive her.

Your words dont match your actions.

[sweetiejakia]

I should have been more precise. I appologize. I was asking you to define why it is a personal preference. Is there a reason for this preference?Yeah, I want a woman who hasn't been banged. Simple as that lol. I know if I had married a non-virgin it would stick in my head. The fact that she's slept around before would bring an unpleasant feeling inside me.

So you would not be able to forgive her.

Sir, you are saying that she will be forgiven even by you.
However, when posed with that situation, your actions show that you would not forgive her.

Your words dont match your actions.

wiseone, u not makin any sense here...make up ur mind!!!

hey desistud, what about u? would u sleep wit da whore or virgin-born?

[Da Wise One]

Obviously you three are missing my main point. But hopefully I can clear it up this last time. Desistud, I can understand where you're coming from. But lets take a look at some scenerios..We have a whore who has not repented and a women who was a whore but has converted to Islam. Now both of them want to marry me. I'd say no to the whore that's pretty much self- explanatory. I'd also say no the the "born again virgin" because she had sex before and for some reason since I was a child I always wanted a virgin. That does not mean I do not accept her as a Muslim sister. I'd pray for her to find that husband one day.

Guys, there are many different ways of showing forgiveness towards someone. You DON'T have to marry that person to show forgiveness. That's pretty much what i'm trying to say. I got a couple of papers due tommorow so right now I can't post much but any more questions just post them up and i'll answer them when I have time. :D

[methodman535]

We have a whore who has not repented and a women who was a whore but has converted to Islam.


This part is sorta interesting. Its also a bit offensive I think to muslim females and other females. You seem to be implying that repentence and reversion/conversion to islam go hand in hand but do they? Theres a gazillion hijabi sluts out there fucking around who "repent" and then fuck around a bit and then repent again, and then theres other females who dont have these hormonal mood swings at all and dont involve religion in it either.

Do people really think its absolutely essential to become religious or islamic in order to "repent" and turn over a new leaf or can it be done by other means.

Has anyone here not come across a conservative girl who is not ultra religious....or is it a rarity among the desi community. And is it different amongs hindus than amongst muslim desis?

Discuss!

[DesiStud1022]

I understand your point clearly.

Even though Islam and Allah teach one to look beyond this womans past and accept her as a pure Muslim woman. You do not.

[DesiStud1022]

hey desistud, what about u? would u sleep wit da whore or virgin-born?

Currently, my opinion is that once a whore always a whore. I do not belive in engaging in sexual relations before marriage. Nor, would I date, or even attempt to date, a girl whom I know has a past.

I would not sleep with a whore or a born again virgin.

[Da Wise One]

We have a whore who has not repented and a women who was a whore but has converted to Islam.


This part is sorta interesting. Its also a bit offensive I think to muslim females and other females. You seem to be implying that repentence and reversion/conversion to islam go hand in hand but do they? Theres a gazillion hijabi sluts out there fucking around who "repent" and then fuck around a bit and then repent again, and then theres other females who dont have these hormonal mood swings at all and dont involve religion in it either.

Do people really think its absolutely essential to become religious or islamic in order to "repent" and turn over a new leaf or can it be done by other means.

Has anyone here not come across a conservative girl who is not ultra religious....or is it a rarity among the desi community. And is it different amongs hindus than amongst muslim desis?

Discuss!I want to marry a Muslim.

[Da Wise One]

I understand your point clearly.

Even though Islam and Allah teach one to look beyond this womans past and accept her as a pure Muslim woman. You do not.Exactly. I'm not for born again virgins. The girl is opened up already. I wanted to be the first and only one to do that.

[methodman535]

We have a whore who has not repented and a women who was a whore but has converted to Islam.


This part is sorta interesting. Its also a bit offensive I think to muslim females and other females. You seem to be implying that repentence and reversion/conversion to islam go hand in hand but do they? Theres a gazillion hijabi sluts out there fucking around who "repent" and then fuck around a bit and then repent again, and then theres other females who dont have these hormonal mood swings at all and dont involve religion in it either.

Do people really think its absolutely essential to become religious or islamic in order to "repent" and turn over a new leaf or can it be done by other means.

Has anyone here not come across a conservative girl who is not ultra religious....or is it a rarity among the desi community. And is it different amongs hindus than amongst muslim desis?

Discuss!I want to marry a Muslim.



I said discuss, not go brain dead on the subject!

[Miz Fyne]

nope...once ur bad ur always bad...and if ur trying to get good is hard...most ppl give up...but hey if u got the strength more power to u

[methodman535]

Hmmm....so maybe the saying should be once a whore then almost always still a whore. :x

[Ragga_NZ]

Hmmmmm

Funny how gurls go for "bad boys" n wanna turn em into "nice boys".

As for people changing, it can happen, my uncle is also living proof, but if everyone around them are saying "once a whore always a whore" (not that he was a whore more a druggie throwin life away guy) they may believe it n not change. Support could be helpful, perhaps encouragement to take up more "sensible hobbies".

Finding a true virgin for marriage...gonna sort of limit ur options some huh, what's the average deflowering age in the U.S these days? If she was the one, I wouldn't give a crap bout who she's been with..it's all bout the future. Life is too short to keep looking back.

who says praying makes a person good? I don't pray and i consdier myself a decent person..but i guess that's a fairly subjective term..

[methodman535]

Dont girls go for bad boys the younger that they are and then....as they grow older and think more rationally they go to the other extreme....like really to the other extreme totally throwing away good looks, big balls, muscles and an aggressive attitude and going for this thing called "stability". As in the kinda guy who makes money and is "nice" as opposed to nasty. You know...the worker bee type who can pay the bills and buy the diapers and groceries and gas etc. I think the bad boy is what attracts em sexually but the good boy is what they sorta talk themselves into wanting in the end?

[Ragga_NZ]

Whatever aye, i've decided a woman's mind is far too confusing to even think bout sussin out.....hopefully one day i'll find a half decent one

[methodman535]

They say the same about the male mind. I think its all BS. Either people in general are two confusing or this is just a copout phrase.